FINALLY SOME LEADERSHIP

Wanye
April 13 2010 02:07AM

We were in the midst of peppering Gregor and Brownlee's articles with commentary about Sheldon Souray demanding a trade when we remembered that we could actually write an article of our own and force everyone to listen to our opinion too. We gave 'er a day to calm down, but calm down we have NOT.

Although we generally agree with most everything Brownlee and Gregor have to say, we dispute with the idea that Souray has done the team a disservice by opening his mouth about his disdain for Oilers management. The timing wasn't great we will grant you that, but it pulls back the curtain and reveals the Wizard for all to see.

BEHOLD

One of the things that has pissed us off the most this season was the complete lack of accountability on the part of Players, Coaches and the 7,382 Managers of the team. The arrogance displayed by virtually every single member of this organization has been hilariously disconnected with the performance on the ice. Contenders for the Cup are entitled to a certain level of arrogant swagger.

30th place Crap Squads? Not so much.

With the exception of Ryan Whitney - who has been awesomely honest in the papers and on the air - the Oilers have to a man remained silent all season and have been content to give the usual platitudes as to why things are going poorly.

Finally someone has had the stones to shed light on an area many here on the Nation have long suspected and secretly hoped has been the case - players don't like it here in Edmonton in large part because of team management.

Ahhhhh.

Not because of the pot holes in our roads, not because of the Northernly weather patterns or the lack of night life. Instead it is the people running the team and their attitudes towards the players, which seems to eerily echo their attitude towards the rest of us fans. 

LET'S REWIND

For years now we Oilers fans have been subjected to numerous slights and insults from the other 29 Cities in the League. First CFP left town in a hail storm of rumour and innuendo. Then Hossa spurned us, then Heatley. Jagr burned us too somewhere in there, as did Bouwmeester and countless other free agents that have told Edmonton to eff off behind closed doors.

All the while media types have been quick to suggest that the reason players didn't want to sign here had more to do with things we could not control. Weather, quality of living in the City, ugly ass buildings and uglier citizens. Every insult imaginable was hurled in our direction and resulted in a dark cloud of emotion unfairly hanging over our City since 2006.

Thanks to Sheldon Souray, plans to pick up and move the entire City of Edmonton 500 miles in a warmer direction can be put on hold.  The problem instead is actually quite solveable: get new people to run this squadron.

"You talk about Prongs (Chris Pronger) and guys like that, and it should raise an eyebrow when players who leave town are skipping out with a smile on their face."

Our eyebrow is so raised it popped clean off our head and ran down the street. We hear you loud and clear Big Sexy.

You have to wonder how many players (both here and long since gone) have echoed these sentiments behind closed doors but lacked the nuts to say it aloud, letting the City of Edmonton take the brunt of the blame for the reason why players seek to ply their trade elsewhere.

PRIMA DONNA BS?

The counterpoint to all of this of course is the idea that it is Souray that is the problem and not Tambellini, not Kevin Lowe and not anyone else associated with the team.

This is certainly possible and we wouldn't put it past Souray to be embellishing the issues he has had with the team as part of a larger "get me the hell out of here" type strategy. Some of the other quotes in the article make no sense, at least if you have been paying attention for the past year or two.

QUOTE 1: I WAS OFFERED MORE MONEY ELSEWHERE

"People will question me, that they overpaid me … that it was a bad decision to sign me. But I can tell you this: I turned down more money in other places" Souray was quoted as saying. 

Er, wasn't the story going around that the Oilers came out of nowhere to offer him substantially more money than any other team in the running? Didn't the Oil open up the same vault that they have creaked open from time to time with disastrious results with the likes of Horcoff, Khabibulin et al?

QUOTE 2: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE

"The Oilers always prided themselves in being a family. Whatever happened to that? I haven’t talked to (Tambellini) since mid-January."

Er, didn't Souray give the Oilers a list of teams he wanted to go to just prior to the trade deadline? How do you provide a list of teams without speaking to anyone directly? This is shady too, but perhaps one can do all of one's talking via an agent. We don't have an agent, so we don't know.

If we DID have an agent we would be all "what the business Agent? How come you ain't got me no deodorant endorsements? You know I gots them pheremones people wanna emulate!"

AT LEAST KAY-Z NOW KNOWS THE SCORE

 

Much has been said about Daryl Katz's ownership and management style of the team. An admittedly non massive hockey fan, Katz has been content to rule the team from afar, staying out of day to day matters and making the occasional comment or interview to Stauffer.

As is the case with most power ballers,  Katz gets the bulk of his performance reporting on the company from a handful of his top level executives and in the instance of the Oilers, Katz gets all his information from Lowe. It's easy to see how Katz could be led down the proverbial primrose path by eventual Hockey Hall of Famer Lowe and Company.

"Things are working their way through Daryl," they would nervously explain. "We have had some ill timed injuries and some players depart. But once we get through the draft and start winning again people will sign. Don't you worry."

With the revelations courtesy of Big Sexy, a new problem has been brought to the surface. Management seems to be the issue here in Edmonton and now this is all out in the open.

For a guy like Katz, he really just wants to ice a winner and finally receive some good PR for paying close to thrice what this team was actually worth. Comments like these by Souray won't lead to the immediate dismissal of anyone, but it certainly provides some weighty insight as to what is wrong with this team. 

FINAL TEETH GNASHING

Is Souray right or wrong? Is he part of the solution to righting this Titanician hockey team? Or instead is the best looking Oiler since Igor Ulanov part of the very same problem that has led to the considerable decline of the quality of Ice Hockey around these parts?

When #44 looks in the mirror this morning is he gazing longingly at his sexy good looks - content to look out for number one - or is he staring smack dab into the tender eyes of the man who has blown the lid off the real problem with the Oilers?

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#51 Ender
April 13 2010, 10:11AM
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"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true."
Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander

There is no disputing that the Edmonton Oilers management team has it's warts, and some of them are ugly with a capital U. It is important to note in this case, though, that Souray is levelling his allegations with a very obvious agenda. If Souray was being altruistic and had only the welfare of his teammates in mind, many of the issues he brings forward now could have been addressed quietly (or not so quietly, if need be) a long time ago. Make no mistake, Souray said the things he said because those statements help Souray now. If they didn't, he wouldn't have said them. He needed to justify his trade demand and he spun his story in such a way that people would believe him. Just because he said these things does not necessarily make them true. Even if some of it is true, the best lies always contain just enough truth to get people to swallow the story whole.

Are there problems with the Oilers management? Of course there are. There are problems with all management teams and any employee can find something to complain about given three years to collect dirt. This particular management team perhaps even deserves to be fired. (I really think that.) If they are fired, though, I would like them fired because of real mistakes that they have made fielding a competitive team and not because of some spurious comments from a jaded player with an agenda. Fire them for the mud on their boots that they've tracked through the entire organization, not the handful of dust that's been thrown in the air.

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#52 VK63
April 13 2010, 10:12AM
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So.......... he can still be my goat right?

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#53 yegCopywriter
April 13 2010, 10:17AM
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@Matt Henderson

Oooh, it's like a riddle now... do you have so much free time to post on OilersNation because you're testing video games?

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#54 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 10:17AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

We went to highschool together and we are facebook friends.

Why don't the two of you drink some international coffee, hold hands and discuss your feelings?

Or you could bond over poetry. Wait a minute . . .

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#55 Matt Henderson
April 13 2010, 10:18AM
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@yegCopywriter

Bingo

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#56 Crust
April 13 2010, 10:19AM
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@Ender

How do you know Souray's comments are "spurious"? Who do you go to quietly, when management is the problem?

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#57 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 10:20AM
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@Ender

Ender it must be the Riker avatar but I'm finding that I'm agreeing with you far too much for my liking these days.

EDIT: although I'd be happy if this management group was fired even for the wrong reasons. If they go I'll be happy.

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#58 Bucknuck
April 13 2010, 10:27AM
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@rubbertrout

If four years out of the postseason isn't enough to fire a manager for, then I don't know what is. Get rid.

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#59 The Towel Boy
April 13 2010, 10:29AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Bingo

Wait...TESTING VIDEO GAMES!?!?!?!

DREAM JOB!

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#60 stormcrow50
April 13 2010, 10:31AM
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Well, he did what he needed to get traded while he has some control on where he goes. Good by big sexy, it was a slice while it lasted

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#61 Bruthah
April 13 2010, 10:34AM
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The Towel Boy wrote:

Wait...TESTING VIDEO GAMES!?!?!?!

DREAM JOB!

Sorry towel boy but 'Robot unicorn attack' has already been tested.

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#62 The Towel Boy
April 13 2010, 10:36AM
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Bruthah wrote:

Sorry towel boy but 'Robot unicorn attack' has already been tested.

That game is 85% more awesome due to the soundtrack.

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#63 Matt Henderson
April 13 2010, 10:36AM
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@The Towel Boy

Yeah, it's a sweet gig.

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#64 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 10:37AM
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Trenton L wrote:

Tampa managed to fire their GM how come we can't. Least points of any team since 2006 WTF???

Honestly these Tampa comparisons are killing me. The last 3 ownership groups in TB have gutted the organization after buying the team. 6 GMs, 5 ownership groups in 18 years. 3 different owners in 3 seasons. 3 different GM's in 3 years.

#FIRETHEMALL

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#66 Ender
April 13 2010, 10:52AM
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@Crust

Perhaps 'spurious' is the wrong word. Let's go with 'contrived' instead then. As was beaten to death by numerous posters yesterday, the time to deal with many of Souray's problems was as far back as three years ago when they happened. To bring them up now is far too convenient to carry unquestioned credibility.

Regarding who to tell, Souray should have started by discussing his issues with management. Perhaps he did. If that didn't work, he could have taken his issues quietly to the owner of the team or if he wanted to push from another direction he could have spoken to a member of the media off-the-record. The media would have started to do some serious digging with other team members and if there was something to find, they would have found it. As a last ditch effort, Souray could have spoken publically to the media. As soon as possible after his issues remained obviously unsolved, that is, and certainly before his allegations were in conjunction with other motives. If Souray was stating that he wanted to play here next year but had these concerns, I'd be much more inclined to believe him. He's not being the 'good player fighting the fight for the team' at this point.

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#68 The Towel Boy
April 13 2010, 11:01AM
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Wanye wrote:

#FIRETHEMALL

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So we're burning down West Ed?

#firethemall

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#69 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 11:05AM
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So I listened to Milhouse's podcast of this morning. Hopefully Gregor & Brownlee can provide some insight & a link of their own.

44 = douche

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#70 Ender
April 13 2010, 11:07AM
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@rubbertrout

Even Deep Oil is right once in awhile. I'm sure I'll say something that raises your blood pressure before too long.

Like you, I'll rest easier once Tambi is gone and I wouldn't mourn KLowe too long either. The result is certainly the most important part, but I'd like Katz to understand why he's firing them so that he doesn't make a mistake in the future. Heaven forbid Katz punt his management (rightfully this time) based on what a player says and then repeat his actions and side against his GM again in the future when management is actually on the right side of the player controversy. All people are creatures of habit, even NHL owners, and blindly accepting any tasty morsel you're fed is not a good habit to get into.

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#72 Ender
April 13 2010, 11:21AM
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Wanye wrote:

Remember that time you started playing that weird game that hooked to your eyes that Ensign Wesley Crusher brought aboard the Enterprise when he was dating Ashley Judd?

I always wondered why you didn't take Ashley down that day. You get all the girls....

I've developed certain expectations for a girl. If she won't wear the right jersey, I can't take her seriously. I believe the evidence speaks for itself . . .

http://www.thirtyfiveseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ashley-judd.jpg

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#73 Crust
April 13 2010, 11:24AM
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@Ender

Fair enough. But what process Souray went through before going public is unknown. He states that management has given up on him and cites their lack of communication and concern for his welfare as examples of that, and in turn, he has given up on them. If true, why would he want to continue to be here? If management does not listen to players and they are forced to take last ditch efforts, I don't think there is much chance of have a good working relationship once it has gone this far.

Actually, CBC had a quote from Souray February 2008 stating that he had come back from his injury too soon, which lends credibility to his position that he was pressured to play hurt. Also the number of players that were obviously playing hurt this year, lends credibility to that position as well. There were many comments here and elsewhere as to why Gagner and Hemmer were playing hurt, why Horcoff wasn't resting his shoulder etc.

My pointing being that the injury problem was questioned before Souray came out and stated it, yet the problem has become secondary to the stating of the problem.

I also wonder under what conditions a player could go public with a problem and not be condemned by the public or suffer consequences within the organization. Whoever does would be considered selfish and not a team player.

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#75 Dan the Man
April 13 2010, 11:27AM
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David Staples has a bunch of quotes from stories about Souray and this is one that I found somewhat ironic from a guy who says he was pressured into playing before his shoulder was completely healed.

My injuries were becoming a problem with them.(Referring to the Habs) They wanted me to be healed before they made any decisions. That was a funny thing, because I've played my whole career with injuries. I played a month with a broken wrist, I played in the playoffs with a dislocated shoulder. I don't think my injuries were ever anything that hindered my performance. I dealt with them and we moved on.

http://communities.canada.com/EDMONTONJOURNAL/blogs/hockey/archive/2010/04/13/when-shelly-met-k-lowe.aspx

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#76 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 11:33AM
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@Dan the Man

I agree - that Staples piece is making Souray look really bad. Like a high maintenance kind of guy. If he feels like he isn't respected it turns bad.

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#77 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2010, 11:36AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

David Staples has a bunch of quotes from stories about Souray and this is one that I found somewhat ironic from a guy who says he was pressured into playing before his shoulder was completely healed.

My injuries were becoming a problem with them.(Referring to the Habs) They wanted me to be healed before they made any decisions. That was a funny thing, because I've played my whole career with injuries. I played a month with a broken wrist, I played in the playoffs with a dislocated shoulder. I don't think my injuries were ever anything that hindered my performance. I dealt with them and we moved on.

http://communities.canada.com/EDMONTONJOURNAL/blogs/hockey/archive/2010/04/13/when-shelly-met-k-lowe.aspx

Yikes, big strike against Souray.

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#78 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2010, 11:37AM
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All those that wanted Souray as this years captain need to feel shame.

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#79 Dan the Man
April 13 2010, 11:37AM
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@BUCK75

You're right he does come off as high maintenance, it sounds like he chose not to take the Montreal offer because they signed other guys ahead of him so he felt he wasn't their priority and his feelings were hurt.

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#80 Deep Oil
April 13 2010, 11:40AM
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Ender wrote:

Even Deep Oil is right once in awhile. I'm sure I'll say something that raises your blood pressure before too long.

Like you, I'll rest easier once Tambi is gone and I wouldn't mourn KLowe too long either. The result is certainly the most important part, but I'd like Katz to understand why he's firing them so that he doesn't make a mistake in the future. Heaven forbid Katz punt his management (rightfully this time) based on what a player says and then repeat his actions and side against his GM again in the future when management is actually on the right side of the player controversy. All people are creatures of habit, even NHL owners, and blindly accepting any tasty morsel you're fed is not a good habit to get into.

Is it fair to say that the contract management (higher on the totem pole than paid employee's) are free to swagger and follow the non communicative lead of the owner, creating the big IAM corporate culture that has lead to the toxicity of this situation in the dressing room.... again.

Oiler Management are arrogant, some say worse names, and hold the coporate community at bay with the only game in town syndrome.

Like or not, the comments of Souray will have a corporate effect, with season ticket holders now questioning the Ivory Tower to which Katz, LaForge, Lowe and Tambellini reside. There seems to be a pattern here with players leaving with a smile on their face.

So when Katz approaches his developer friend Mayor Mandel, with Rexall paid lobbyists in tow, the question I have for Mr. Mayor, why does Rexall deserve a free arena in the land of free enterprise, when the Canucks in NDP territory, Maple Leafs and Senators in Liberal Land, and the Canadiens in corrupt Quebec have private rinks with private money.

I wonder if Rexall has called in Spector and read him the riot act, for his free speech, spoiling the draft lottery hype.

It appears that the good ship Oiler has some explaining to do...... let's hear what you have to say on Wednesday.

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#81 Ender
April 13 2010, 11:40AM
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@Dan the Man

That quote is solid gold. Whatever statement works for the moment, eh?

@ Crust

Like I said, there's a kernal of solid truth to every good misdirection. Let's wait and see if some additional support can be found among the media that the whole 'play-before-you're-ready' thing has some substance before we go accepting it as gospel. I think Dan's quote illustrates that many athletes are more than willing to play through injuries if they stand to gain something from it. To throw the blame squarely in the teeth of management later if it suits your purposes better strikes me as patently self-serving.

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#82 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 11:41AM
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@Dan the Man

Exactly what I thought.

*edit* I & Me aren't good team words. I'm sure Gregor will have some audio somewhere, if not Milhouse has it right now on his page.

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#83 Deep Oil
April 13 2010, 11:55AM
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If any of you have watched UNDERCOVER BOSS, where the big wigs of large corporations get in the trenches, clean up sewage, hang with the employee alcoholic in recovery on the job, see what their employee's do for the community, find out why one employee has the highest sales / production in the country with a visit to their store / facility, or experience an employee who treats customers wrongly and mails it in......

Bottom line is at the end of the show, you get choked up on the positive corporate culture and WILL success emotionally to the CEO's and the people below them.

Do you think that Katz would ever go undercover at Rexall, didn't think so, but then again he would not need a disguise as no one at Rexall knows what he looks like.

I wonder what disguise Lowe and Tambellini could put on, to discover what is wrong with their team / corporate culture.

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#84 Crust
April 13 2010, 11:55AM
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@Ender

Hmm..I didn't say it was gospel, I merely suggested there is evidence that it maybe true, as opposed to declaring it outright false.

As for Dan the Man's quote, it is selective, since it can be interpreted as Souray saying that injuries were not a problem when he was under contract and playing, but now are cited as a problem by Montreal management when it comes to negotiation time.

I know I sound like a Souray lover here, but that is not the case. I just don't get that many here constantly complain about the mismanagement of the team (and rightly so) and then when a player comes out and confirms it, HE is labeled a whiner and selfish. This tendency lets management off the hook and the mismanagement continues.

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#85 Ender
April 13 2010, 11:59AM
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@Deep Oil

Darn it, Deep. I throw you a bone and then you go off sounding all drunk again.

@ rubbertrout

I withdraw my endorsement. Sorry to get your hopes up.

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#86 MattL
April 13 2010, 12:02PM
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@Deep Oil

"So when Katz approaches his developer friend Mayor Mandel, with Rexall paid lobbyists in tow, the question I have for Mr. Mayor, why does Rexall deserve a free arena in the land of free enterprise, when the Canucks in NDP territory, Maple Leafs and Senators in Liberal Land, and the Canadiens in corrupt Quebec have private rinks with private money."

Maybe because conservatives are worse with money than liberals, despite the backwards stereotypes that float around out here, and despite decades of evidence in North America to show conservative governments plunging countries into debt, and liberal governments bailing them out?

AND negotiations are still ongoing. Of course Rexall is pushing for free money, that's how negotiations go. Katz has already shown a history of starting negotiations in the media as a PR campaign before sitting down with his actual negotiating partners. I'd be surprised if they get anywhere close to the sweetheart deal they bracketed themselves with at the beginning.

"I wonder if Rexall has called in Spector and read him the riot act, for his free speech, spoiling the draft lottery hype."

Spector did more cheerleading for the arena project than any other credible media person not currently employed by the Oilers or Rexall. I don't think he's in their bad books.

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#87 baggedmilk
April 13 2010, 12:07PM
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Anyone else think Quinn's comment on Souray was hilarious? "If you don't want to play here, don't screw around and get the hell out."

I love that old angry bastard.

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#88 Skidplate
April 13 2010, 12:09PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Anyone else think Quinn's comment on Souray was hilarious? "If you don't want to play here, don't screw around and get the hell out."

I love that old angry bastard.

x1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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#89 I'm a Scientist!
April 13 2010, 12:12PM
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So nobody has mentioned this and Smokin' Ray seems to be MIA and it is totally off topic and i should be doing important sciency stuff in the lab but:

IT'S DRAFT LOTTERY DAY!!! *readies both the ticker tape and the tissues*

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#90 Deep Oil
April 13 2010, 12:13PM
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MattL wrote:

"So when Katz approaches his developer friend Mayor Mandel, with Rexall paid lobbyists in tow, the question I have for Mr. Mayor, why does Rexall deserve a free arena in the land of free enterprise, when the Canucks in NDP territory, Maple Leafs and Senators in Liberal Land, and the Canadiens in corrupt Quebec have private rinks with private money."

Maybe because conservatives are worse with money than liberals, despite the backwards stereotypes that float around out here, and despite decades of evidence in North America to show conservative governments plunging countries into debt, and liberal governments bailing them out?

AND negotiations are still ongoing. Of course Rexall is pushing for free money, that's how negotiations go. Katz has already shown a history of starting negotiations in the media as a PR campaign before sitting down with his actual negotiating partners. I'd be surprised if they get anywhere close to the sweetheart deal they bracketed themselves with at the beginning.

"I wonder if Rexall has called in Spector and read him the riot act, for his free speech, spoiling the draft lottery hype."

Spector did more cheerleading for the arena project than any other credible media person not currently employed by the Oilers or Rexall. I don't think he's in their bad books.

The SPEC report on Gregor will be worth it's weight in gold today.... unconfirmed reports that Spec mentioned on hockeycentral / sportsnet that the Oilers had a word with him, can't find a link of the telecast interview to confirm it.

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#91 I'm a Scientist!
April 13 2010, 12:14PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Yeah, it's a sweet gig.

GASP! I thought you were a scientist?!?

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#92 Ender
April 13 2010, 12:14PM
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Crust wrote:

As for Dan the Man's quote, it is selective, since it can be interpreted as Souray saying that injuries were not a problem when he was under contract and playing, but now are cited as a problem by Montreal management when it comes to negotiation time.

The quote comes right out and says that Souray had no problem playing injured in the past. Now he throws Oilers management under the bus for making him play injured. Why didn't he raise a hue and cry three years ago when the alleged strongarming took place? The same reason he didn't raise a fuss playing injured in Montreal. Because he was fine with it at the time. It's only now when he needs to throw some dirt that this becomes an issue for him.

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#93 MattL
April 13 2010, 12:20PM
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@Deep Oil

Ooops, my bad. I was thinking Staples, not Spector. Yes, I'm sure Spec will get some heat. Which is a fair trade-off for a scoop like this.

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#94 Matt Henderson
April 13 2010, 12:23PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

GASP! I thought you were a scientist?!?

Nope. I dont consider Archaeology to be a science because it's so incredibly subjective, and my job of the day is Quality Assurance Tester.

Sorry, but I do work with pretty complicated software and have a knowledge of the scientific method as applied to survey and excavation. Does that ease the pain a little?

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#95 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 12:27PM
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http://oilers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=4&id=65919

Souray - Video

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#96 I'm a Scientist!
April 13 2010, 12:29PM
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@Matt Henderson

*sniffle*

I guess.

*Fiddles with a beaker and stares off to space*

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#97 Hunter5
April 13 2010, 12:32PM
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Nice post Wayne.

Gregor and Brownlee would never write an article with the same distain about an individual within the Oilers Management. So the next time someone in Oilers Management blunders again, lets see if either of them will write the same kind of article that Souray got. Both are media puppets sitting on the fence being careful of who and what to write about.

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#98 Crust
April 13 2010, 12:36PM
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@Ender

My point is that it seems the player is the one that is AUTOMATICALLY the one at fault. The media is now doing research and stories to question the character of Souray. And that's fine. Do you think the same amount of research and effort will be expended to see if his allegations are true? Probably not, if it is already assumed that Souray is the problem.

There is a difference between "being fine" with something and, on the other hand, seeing no way to express that it is not fine without provoking the much admired response of Quinn noted above.

Here is the quote I spoke of earlier, which I don't think Staples included:

"Having previous injuries didn't really have anything to do with it, but the re-hab lenth, I think, did," Souray said. "Coming back to play probably a little bit sooner than I should have, injuring it again — a different injury but still the same shoulder … Without getting too specific there are probably three or four things that were wrong in there."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2008/02/12/sheldon-souray.html#ixzz0l0QTIVEm

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#99 Bruthah
April 13 2010, 12:43PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

All those that wanted Souray as this years captain need to feel shame.

I do, I feel shame.... Do I have to go in the box and feel shame for 2 minutes?

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#100 Don
April 13 2010, 12:44PM
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The Towel Boy wrote:

Raise your hand if you clicked on the "Rewind" picture. I dunno why, but I just did...

Yes sir. I did also.

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