FINALLY SOME LEADERSHIP

Wanye
April 13 2010 02:07AM

We were in the midst of peppering Gregor and Brownlee's articles with commentary about Sheldon Souray demanding a trade when we remembered that we could actually write an article of our own and force everyone to listen to our opinion too. We gave 'er a day to calm down, but calm down we have NOT.

Although we generally agree with most everything Brownlee and Gregor have to say, we dispute with the idea that Souray has done the team a disservice by opening his mouth about his disdain for Oilers management. The timing wasn't great we will grant you that, but it pulls back the curtain and reveals the Wizard for all to see.

BEHOLD

One of the things that has pissed us off the most this season was the complete lack of accountability on the part of Players, Coaches and the 7,382 Managers of the team. The arrogance displayed by virtually every single member of this organization has been hilariously disconnected with the performance on the ice. Contenders for the Cup are entitled to a certain level of arrogant swagger.

30th place Crap Squads? Not so much.

With the exception of Ryan Whitney - who has been awesomely honest in the papers and on the air - the Oilers have to a man remained silent all season and have been content to give the usual platitudes as to why things are going poorly.

Finally someone has had the stones to shed light on an area many here on the Nation have long suspected and secretly hoped has been the case - players don't like it here in Edmonton in large part because of team management.

Ahhhhh.

Not because of the pot holes in our roads, not because of the Northernly weather patterns or the lack of night life. Instead it is the people running the team and their attitudes towards the players, which seems to eerily echo their attitude towards the rest of us fans. 

LET'S REWIND

For years now we Oilers fans have been subjected to numerous slights and insults from the other 29 Cities in the League. First CFP left town in a hail storm of rumour and innuendo. Then Hossa spurned us, then Heatley. Jagr burned us too somewhere in there, as did Bouwmeester and countless other free agents that have told Edmonton to eff off behind closed doors.

All the while media types have been quick to suggest that the reason players didn't want to sign here had more to do with things we could not control. Weather, quality of living in the City, ugly ass buildings and uglier citizens. Every insult imaginable was hurled in our direction and resulted in a dark cloud of emotion unfairly hanging over our City since 2006.

Thanks to Sheldon Souray, plans to pick up and move the entire City of Edmonton 500 miles in a warmer direction can be put on hold.  The problem instead is actually quite solveable: get new people to run this squadron.

"You talk about Prongs (Chris Pronger) and guys like that, and it should raise an eyebrow when players who leave town are skipping out with a smile on their face."

Our eyebrow is so raised it popped clean off our head and ran down the street. We hear you loud and clear Big Sexy.

You have to wonder how many players (both here and long since gone) have echoed these sentiments behind closed doors but lacked the nuts to say it aloud, letting the City of Edmonton take the brunt of the blame for the reason why players seek to ply their trade elsewhere.

PRIMA DONNA BS?

The counterpoint to all of this of course is the idea that it is Souray that is the problem and not Tambellini, not Kevin Lowe and not anyone else associated with the team.

This is certainly possible and we wouldn't put it past Souray to be embellishing the issues he has had with the team as part of a larger "get me the hell out of here" type strategy. Some of the other quotes in the article make no sense, at least if you have been paying attention for the past year or two.

QUOTE 1: I WAS OFFERED MORE MONEY ELSEWHERE

"People will question me, that they overpaid me … that it was a bad decision to sign me. But I can tell you this: I turned down more money in other places" Souray was quoted as saying. 

Er, wasn't the story going around that the Oilers came out of nowhere to offer him substantially more money than any other team in the running? Didn't the Oil open up the same vault that they have creaked open from time to time with disastrious results with the likes of Horcoff, Khabibulin et al?

QUOTE 2: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE

"The Oilers always prided themselves in being a family. Whatever happened to that? I haven’t talked to (Tambellini) since mid-January."

Er, didn't Souray give the Oilers a list of teams he wanted to go to just prior to the trade deadline? How do you provide a list of teams without speaking to anyone directly? This is shady too, but perhaps one can do all of one's talking via an agent. We don't have an agent, so we don't know.

If we DID have an agent we would be all "what the business Agent? How come you ain't got me no deodorant endorsements? You know I gots them pheremones people wanna emulate!"

AT LEAST KAY-Z NOW KNOWS THE SCORE

 

Much has been said about Daryl Katz's ownership and management style of the team. An admittedly non massive hockey fan, Katz has been content to rule the team from afar, staying out of day to day matters and making the occasional comment or interview to Stauffer.

As is the case with most power ballers,  Katz gets the bulk of his performance reporting on the company from a handful of his top level executives and in the instance of the Oilers, Katz gets all his information from Lowe. It's easy to see how Katz could be led down the proverbial primrose path by eventual Hockey Hall of Famer Lowe and Company.

"Things are working their way through Daryl," they would nervously explain. "We have had some ill timed injuries and some players depart. But once we get through the draft and start winning again people will sign. Don't you worry."

With the revelations courtesy of Big Sexy, a new problem has been brought to the surface. Management seems to be the issue here in Edmonton and now this is all out in the open.

For a guy like Katz, he really just wants to ice a winner and finally receive some good PR for paying close to thrice what this team was actually worth. Comments like these by Souray won't lead to the immediate dismissal of anyone, but it certainly provides some weighty insight as to what is wrong with this team. 

FINAL TEETH GNASHING

Is Souray right or wrong? Is he part of the solution to righting this Titanician hockey team? Or instead is the best looking Oiler since Igor Ulanov part of the very same problem that has led to the considerable decline of the quality of Ice Hockey around these parts?

When #44 looks in the mirror this morning is he gazing longingly at his sexy good looks - content to look out for number one - or is he staring smack dab into the tender eyes of the man who has blown the lid off the real problem with the Oilers?

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#101 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 12:48PM
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@Crust

Come on, what would the oilers do if he refused to play? Suspend him? Send him to the minors? Trade him?

He just signed a huge contract, I'm sure he was pretty pumped up to get started on his Edmonton tenure. While I'm sure the finger can be pointed at the training staff or the guys signing his cheques, ultimately it is his own call. Guys go on Long term disability or get second opinions all the time. The team invested a pile of money in him, why would they suggest to him going out to play if he wasn't close to 100%. You don't treat 5 million dollar players like that. I think there is another side to this story that either the team doesn't want us to hear, or they don't want to damage their asset anymore than he has already done.

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#102 freshpotofcoffey
April 13 2010, 12:54PM
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At least one bright spot is that Souray's actual salary next season is only $4.5MM. When his NTC expires on July 1, that hopefully will make him slightly more tradeable.

Slightly.

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#103 Archaeologuy
April 13 2010, 12:57PM
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@freshpotofcoffey

The fact that his salary is lower than his Cap Hit could be really nice to budget teams that want/need to be at the Cap floor.

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#104 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 12:58PM
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Pat Quinn on the allegations - from the Sun, ROB TYCHKOWSKI a couple of minutes ago.

"This organization, certainly in my time, and I know the people involved here, are not people who would order them to go and play if they were in (injured). "Legally it's dumb. Secondly, I as a coach don't want a guy in the lineup wearing the sweater who is in a position to let his teammates down because he is not physically or mentally ready to go."

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Edmonton/2010/04/13/13569341-qmi.html

IQWT

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#105 Crust
April 13 2010, 12:59PM
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@BUCK75

Well, he would be pressured to play exactly because he did just sign a huge contract. What kind of heat would Lowe take if his big signing was too injured to play for the first month?

Agreed, there is another side to the story. We haven't heard it yet and doubt we will, since, Souray is already being blamed so there is no need for management to make their case.

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#106 Bruthah
April 13 2010, 01:01PM
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@freshpotofcoffey

I read your name, and just read it as Michael Clarke Duncan in 'The Green Mile'

"My name is John Coffey, same as the drink, just spelled different"

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#107 Skidplate
April 13 2010, 01:02PM
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Crust wrote:

Well, he would be pressured to play exactly because he did just sign a huge contract. What kind of heat would Lowe take if his big signing was too injured to play for the first month?

Agreed, there is another side to the story. We haven't heard it yet and doubt we will, since, Souray is already being blamed so there is no need for management to make their case.

Souray chose to play. I am very sure he didn't care how much heat Lowe would have taken if he missed the first month.

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#108 RossCreekNation
April 13 2010, 01:03PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

The fact that his salary is lower than his Cap Hit could be really nice to budget teams that want/need to be at the Cap floor.

True. But one phone call from his agent saying 'Sheldon has no interest in entering your locker-room' and those teams suddenly aren't interested. No-trade or not, he'll have some say in his destination. I'd start with NYR (as Brownlee mentioned) or perhaps St. Louis. I don't see Dean Lombardi in LA touching him with a 10 foot pole.

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#109 Crust
April 13 2010, 01:04PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Pat Quinn on the allegations - from the Sun, ROB TYCHKOWSKI a couple of minutes ago.

"This organization, certainly in my time, and I know the people involved here, are not people who would order them to go and play if they were in (injured). "Legally it's dumb. Secondly, I as a coach don't want a guy in the lineup wearing the sweater who is in a position to let his teammates down because he is not physically or mentally ready to go."

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Edmonton/2010/04/13/13569341-qmi.html

IQWT

Quinn may not of WANTED a guy in the lineup who was not physically ready to go, but he certainly had a few.

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#110 Crust
April 13 2010, 01:07PM
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Skidplate wrote:

Souray chose to play. I am very sure he didn't care how much heat Lowe would have taken if he missed the first month.

*Yeah, everyone is comfortable phoning in sick the first month of a new job.*

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#111 Skidplate
April 13 2010, 01:11PM
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Crust wrote:

*Yeah, everyone is comfortable phoning in sick the first month of a new job.*

You are confusing us sorry saps that have to work to live and can be fired on a whim. Souray does not know the feeling of that.

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#112 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 01:14PM
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Crust wrote:

My point is that it seems the player is the one that is AUTOMATICALLY the one at fault. The media is now doing research and stories to question the character of Souray. And that's fine. Do you think the same amount of research and effort will be expended to see if his allegations are true? Probably not, if it is already assumed that Souray is the problem.

There is a difference between "being fine" with something and, on the other hand, seeing no way to express that it is not fine without provoking the much admired response of Quinn noted above.

Here is the quote I spoke of earlier, which I don't think Staples included:

"Having previous injuries didn't really have anything to do with it, but the re-hab lenth, I think, did," Souray said. "Coming back to play probably a little bit sooner than I should have, injuring it again — a different injury but still the same shoulder … Without getting too specific there are probably three or four things that were wrong in there."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2008/02/12/sheldon-souray.html#ixzz0l0QTIVEm

Come on man! Really? Look at every person who is injured and comes back. It certainly isn't out of the ordinary for someone to come back too soon and set back the injury. Recovery times are subjective. Pro atheletes don't wait until they are 100% recovered to come back (the whole "hurt" vs. "injured" situation). As well, let's not be naive. Souray is/was a big boy with an agent. If he really thought he wasn't ready to come back he could have/should have said something. What he's doing now is using 20/20 hindsight.

Of course the team wanted its shiny new toy to be out there to give the fans something but it is ridiculous to suggest that they would try to endanger their "asset" that early on in a long term and heavy dollar contract. Most hockey players want to be out there on the ice and I'd be willing to bet that many of them push up their own recovery time themselves.

If there really is a concern about this don't you think we'll hear that the NHLPA is calling for an investigation?

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#113 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 01:19PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

True. But one phone call from his agent saying 'Sheldon has no interest in entering your locker-room' and those teams suddenly aren't interested. No-trade or not, he'll have some say in his destination. I'd start with NYR (as Brownlee mentioned) or perhaps St. Louis. I don't see Dean Lombardi in LA touching him with a 10 foot pole.

It is funny that 44 would be able to use his agent to influence where he ends up but he was such a delicate little flower that he wasn't able to pick up the phone to call someone when the big bad team forced him to play.

The Oiler management are idiots for many reasons but 44's "me-first" comments aren't what keeps me up at night.

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#114 Crust
April 13 2010, 01:20PM
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Skidplate wrote:

You are confusing us sorry saps that have to work to live and can be fired on a whim. Souray does not know the feeling of that.

True enough. Different kind of pressure to perform for sure. But I am reasonably sure that had Souray not played, he would have been labeled an overpaid pussy from the get-go. There have been lots of posts at the Sun and Journal along these lines about Gagner, when he didn't play the rest of the season injured. And that's just public pressure, not organizational.

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#115 MattL
April 13 2010, 01:20PM
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Hunter5 wrote:

Nice post Wayne.

Gregor and Brownlee would never write an article with the same distain about an individual within the Oilers Management. So the next time someone in Oilers Management blunders again, lets see if either of them will write the same kind of article that Souray got. Both are media puppets sitting on the fence being careful of who and what to write about.

Still no reverse props button, hey? Hmmm..... might come in handy sometimes...

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#116 Archaeologuy
April 13 2010, 01:21PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

True. But one phone call from his agent saying 'Sheldon has no interest in entering your locker-room' and those teams suddenly aren't interested. No-trade or not, he'll have some say in his destination. I'd start with NYR (as Brownlee mentioned) or perhaps St. Louis. I don't see Dean Lombardi in LA touching him with a 10 foot pole.

Totally. It's up to him. We shall see, I guess.

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#117 Skidplate
April 13 2010, 01:22PM
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Crust wrote:

True enough. Different kind of pressure to perform for sure. But I am reasonably sure that had Souray not played, he would have been labeled an overpaid pussy from the get-go. There have been lots of posts at the Sun and Journal along these lines about Gagner, when he didn't play the rest of the season injured. And that's just public pressure, not organizational.

Yes that probably would have happened, but all it would have taken is a couple of hard working shifts with a few hard hits and that booming shot from the point and ALL would have been forgotten and forgiven.

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#118 baggedmilk
April 13 2010, 01:27PM
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Any chance we can trade Souray for a crew of giant-titted cheerleaders in the stands? just saying.

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#119 Archaeologuy
April 13 2010, 01:31PM
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Just listened to the Souray interview on Stauffer's show. He actually said he hasnt ruled out coming back if a trade cant be made.

Just a weird kind of interview.

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#120 Crust
April 13 2010, 01:32PM
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@rubbertrout

No.

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#121 I'm a Scientist!
April 13 2010, 01:42PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Any chance we can trade Souray for a crew of giant-titted cheerleaders in the stands? just saying.

Sigh, they wouldn't accept that trade because they would want to be wherever Big Sex is...

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#122 Corsby87
April 13 2010, 01:43PM
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I just herd Sheldon's comments and I gotta say...I'm terrified. I am really starting to worry about this team and it's management. It just seems like there is too many guys with similar stories and the bounce out of here. It sounds like Stauff is on the Oilers side (which he might have too be?) but I'm thinking it's time for Batman to completely overhaul not only the team but the brass as well. If I, as a huge Oiler fan have to keep watching guys say the fans are great, the city is fine, but the managers are shit, and then leave...I am left to ask myself why I should continue cheering for a team that just won't make the hard decisions. This is really starting to scare me...Please Katz...please please please don't make me start cheering for another team....I don't wanna do it..I want to be proud to wear my Oiler jersey in public without these damn Vancouver fans telling me how shitty we are. (this coming from a team with no fuc*in cups)...It's clear we NEED to make a change...it's time...Good bye Lowe, Good bye Tambi, I can't even believe I'm even thinking this but what about Pierre McGuire???

Thoughts!!

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#123 Al
April 13 2010, 01:43PM
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Does anyone think the coaching staff were part of the 'management' complaint by Souray??

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#124 BUCK75
April 13 2010, 01:43PM
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@Crust

Yes.

Horcoff was hurt all year. Obviously his shoulder was so effed up he couldn't hurt it anymore. It is only my opinion, because I don't even pretend to be a doctor on the internet. If he needs surgery it should have been done during the year to be fresh for next season. Heaven forbid we have another Souray type gripe fest in 2 years when Horc feels he was 'rushed back'.

Hemsky got dinged a couple of times, the second time he got the knife. He was practicing at the end of the year - he didn't get rushed back to play.

Even our goaltender. They finally pulled the plug on him. Chances are ReKhab was playing when he was probably advised not too.

They get paid the same sitting in the pressbox, the operating table or playing or even driving ferarris & slamming vodka while reKhabbing. Professional atheletes want to play - even when they are hurt.

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#125 Al
April 13 2010, 01:44PM
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@baggedmilk

That be a fair trade...

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#126 Ender
April 13 2010, 01:47PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Just listened to the Souray interview on Stauffer's show. He actually said he hasnt ruled out coming back if a trade cant be made.

Just a weird kind of interview.

Before the return of Mighty Mouse last fall, I wouldn't have thought there was a snowball's chance in Hell of Souray or management actually believing Souray could play here next year. While I still think that this is just Souray playing nice and spinning the 'right' angle, I acknowledge that there is a snowball's chance that it could be Souray we're discussing at this time next year and not Tambellini. That's a pretty small chance, but it exists. And despite Souray's crap this week, given my druthers I'd rather have Souray next season than Tambi.

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#127 Harlie
April 13 2010, 01:53PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

All those that wanted Souray as this years captain need to feel shame.

why's that? He was the clear leader when he was on the ice. Isn't that what matters? And our quasi Captain had as much if not more off ice issues than Souray did. Dinner in Calgary and drinks in Vancouver come to mind..

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#128 Crust
April 13 2010, 01:56PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Yes.

Horcoff was hurt all year. Obviously his shoulder was so effed up he couldn't hurt it anymore. It is only my opinion, because I don't even pretend to be a doctor on the internet. If he needs surgery it should have been done during the year to be fresh for next season. Heaven forbid we have another Souray type gripe fest in 2 years when Horc feels he was 'rushed back'.

Hemsky got dinged a couple of times, the second time he got the knife. He was practicing at the end of the year - he didn't get rushed back to play.

Even our goaltender. They finally pulled the plug on him. Chances are ReKhab was playing when he was probably advised not too.

They get paid the same sitting in the pressbox, the operating table or playing or even driving ferarris & slamming vodka while reKhabbing. Professional atheletes want to play - even when they are hurt.

I was saying "No" to Rubbertrout's question about the an investigation by the NHLPA, not the idea that players want to play under difficult conditions.

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#129 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2010, 02:00PM
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Harlie wrote:

why's that? He was the clear leader when he was on the ice. Isn't that what matters? And our quasi Captain had as much if not more off ice issues than Souray did. Dinner in Calgary and drinks in Vancouver come to mind..

You mean he put up decent numbers and got in a couple of fights last year, something the masses love to see.

Because it highlights how little the fans know about the inner dynamics of a team. All the chicken littles here decided last year that Souray was a good captain, while we've had a steady string of reports that hint (or more) that he wouldn't be.

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#130 Archaeologuy
April 13 2010, 02:06PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You mean he put up decent numbers and got in a couple of fights last year, something the masses love to see.

Because it highlights how little the fans know about the inner dynamics of a team. All the chicken littles here decided last year that Souray was a good captain, while we've had a steady string of reports that hint (or more) that he wouldn't be.

After listening to Stauffer and RB on Oilers Lunch, I'm not convinced that Souray was a poor leader behind closed doors. There were lots of stories of him being a good teammate and a stand-up guy.

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#131 Harlie
April 13 2010, 02:10PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You mean he put up decent numbers and got in a couple of fights last year, something the masses love to see.

Because it highlights how little the fans know about the inner dynamics of a team. All the chicken littles here decided last year that Souray was a good captain, while we've had a steady string of reports that hint (or more) that he wouldn't be.

a steady stream of reports and chicken littles? I don't remember you pointing out any of these reports previously. Obviously it helps with DS's date by date timeline to put things together. Hindsight being what it is and all...

Who would have been better than Souray? An underperforming overpaid guy like Horcoff? A malcontent who leaves practice as early as he can and plays hard when he feels like it yet wants the puck and when he did get it didn't carry the team like he implied, like Hemsky? Or a 4th liner who took more penalties in the offensive zone than he ever got other players to take against him in Moreau?

You and others around here didn't take pride in Souray pounding out anyone who questioned the Oiler's toughness? One punching guys into blackness? Waving off our "captain" to fight his fight and mop the floor with guy? Getting a big goal from the point when we needed one? These are all tangibles on the ice which make a guy a leader. Who gives two squirts about what he feels about the management? Really, I wonder how that makes him a bad captain?

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#132 dragon
April 13 2010, 02:16PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Just listened to the Souray interview on Stauffer's show. He actually said he hasnt ruled out coming back if a trade cant be made.

Just a weird kind of interview.

it's only weird because the meat of it all was 'behind the closed doors'.

he mentioned speaking with both Tambo and Lowe and that both discussions and locker room stuff will remain 'what's said behind closed doors, stays behind closed doors'....

and again, as Sheldon said: 'a lot can happen till September'

it's going to be a loooong summer.

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#133 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 13 2010, 02:17PM
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Harlie wrote:

a steady stream of reports and chicken littles? I don't remember you pointing out any of these reports previously. Obviously it helps with DS's date by date timeline to put things together. Hindsight being what it is and all...

Who would have been better than Souray? An underperforming overpaid guy like Horcoff? A malcontent who leaves practice as early as he can and plays hard when he feels like it yet wants the puck and when he did get it didn't carry the team like he implied, like Hemsky? Or a 4th liner who took more penalties in the offensive zone than he ever got other players to take against him in Moreau?

You and others around here didn't take pride in Souray pounding out anyone who questioned the Oiler's toughness? One punching guys into blackness? Waving off our "captain" to fight his fight and mop the floor with guy? Getting a big goal from the point when we needed one? These are all tangibles on the ice which make a guy a leader. Who gives two squirts about what he feels about the management? Really, I wonder how that makes him a bad captain?

Track through Brownlee's blogs from the last 6 months or so (maybe longer) theirs been lots of hints.

Anyways, my key resoning has always been (since when everyone was on the Souray for C campaign)in order: that he was too injury prone, too unlikely to be here for the duration of his contract, too old.

All in all, I think it's basically irrelavant who the captain is.

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#134 Maggie the Monkey
April 13 2010, 02:19PM
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I have to say that it makes me sad that we're all caught up in this sorry Sourey vs management business on what should be an exciting day for the Nation: we'll find out in few short hours if the Oilers will get the first overall pick, and nobody seems to be talking about it.

As fans, this is what we've been suffering through for the past few months, and now that the payoff is right around the corner we've all been sidetracked by this latest conflict. Isn't anybody else playing "simulate the lottery" over and over again to get the order that they want? Where's the buzz?

We "succeeded" in the dive for five, our greatest victory of the year - it's time to celebrate, damnit.

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#135 Harlie
April 13 2010, 02:23PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Track through Brownlee's blogs from the last 6 months or so (maybe longer) theirs been lots of hints.

Anyways, my key resoning has always been (since when everyone was on the Souray for C campaign)in order: that he was too injury prone, too unlikely to be here for the duration of his contract, too old.

All in all, I think it's basically irrelavant who the captain is.

really those are the exact same reasons that we could or should have ruled out Moreau. He nearly got traded this year with one year left on his contract, his nickname is Captain Glass for a reason and he's no spring chicken.

I know Souray, at least I did many years ago and he is as stand up a guy as you can meet. And I've read nearly all of Brownlee's and other's articles and they all referred to that character trait of Souray. So now that he is bitching about management how does that translate to him not being a standup for his teammates?

p.s - then is it relevant to call everyone "chicken littles" who called for Souray for the C if you now think it is irrelevant who the Captain is? Talking in circles??

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#136 smiliegirl15
April 13 2010, 02:25PM
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This season's injury list is long and no one was really rushed back - even Stevie Wonder after his concussion.

I think this season is much different that the last couple injury riddled seasons and I think the big difference here is having Pat Quinn as the coach. The guys on this team were used to MacT's "play until you're dead" mentality and I think they tried that with Coach Quinn this season too until he said "Enough, sit out until you're cleared properly".

The mob mentality around here is amazing! Instead of following the herd, make up your own minds. We all loved Souray until this little gem came out. Why should this make any difference? He said, about management, what most of us have been saying all season. We should be applauding him for saying what we all wish we could say (and it count for something) all season. Honestly, I bet if Tambellini and Lowe went out the door tomorrow, Souray would be happy to stay.

Everyone seems pretty willing to get rid of all our veteran presence; we need people like Souray and Moreau on this team. Let's say we got rid of Moreau, Pisani, Horcoff and Souray over the summer. We would all be crying for veterans to support the kids because that's what would be missing on our team - veteran presence.

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#137 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 02:25PM
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@Crust

So if the NHLPA (an organization that is supposed to have concern for the players' collective well being) wouldn't be interested in making such an investigation we should just assume that managment forced him to play based on his (questionable) say so?

I've got some swamp land I'm interested in selling.

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#138 rubbertrout
April 13 2010, 02:30PM
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@smiliegirl15

I'm speaking in hyperbole here but that's kind of like saying Jeffrey Dahmer was a good neighbour until that "little gem" about him killing and eating people came out. When new information becomes available you have to consider it and weigh it in the context of what you know and what you can logically infer.

This "little gem" is indicative of a "me first" guy who is only interested in his own agenda.

EDIT: Wow I just re-read your post. Did you actually say we needed people like Moreau on this team? The defence rests.

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#139 Twiggs
April 13 2010, 02:35PM
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@smiliegirl15

I'm pretty sure that Moreau isn't the type of vetran we want to be teaching next year's rookies .

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#140 Skadden
April 13 2010, 02:38PM
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Hmmm interesting how nobody else seems to have communication issues with anyone. The players reactions are interesting to watch. I guess everyone has their own experience. Although I'm sure most of them don't want to come out and say "yeah Tambi doesn't tell us shat".

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#141 Bucknuck
April 13 2010, 02:38PM
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@rubbertrout

I dunno.

In watching the last twenty games of the season I really saw Horcoff and Moreau in a new light. I don't think it would be the end of the world if they were still on the team come September. They were starting to look like the guys that earned those big meal-ticket contracts.

Guys like O'Sullivan and Nilsson and anyone else who doesn't have their work ethic can take a hike, but I don't know that #18 and #10 really need to see the road in order for the team to get better.

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#142 Racki
April 13 2010, 02:42PM
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Oilers fans would rather have Moreau as captain, skirting around issues and covering up leadership / management / coaching problems than have an honest guy try and get a full rebuild going off on the right foot.

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#143 Archaeologuy
April 13 2010, 02:43PM
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@Bucknuck

I'm fine with them being on the club in a 3rd line role and on the same line. As soon as the team starts to pretend that either belongs in a different role or on a different line I want them gone.

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#144 rubbertrout
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I like Horcoff. Sure he's a bit overpaid (cue the chants of $7 M) but at least he is able to bring some value to the team albeit not necessarily in the boxcar numbers. Moreau put together a bit of a push but that was simply the reaction of a guy who thought he would be traded only to find that there were no takers. he's hoping that me did well enough to get a ticket out of town next year.

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#145 smiliegirl15
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Moreau has more grit and heart on this team than most of the players. He's willing to come out night after night and do his part. The guys in the locker room have a lot of respect for him - did you watch how hard they tried to get the puck to him for a hat trick? Not all of your players can be all stars. He does a pretty solid job in his role.

Then there is his dedication to the community - do you forget he won the King Clancy trophy? Does that count for nothing? Do I wish we could field a team of Ovechkins, Malkins and Doughty's? Sure I do but that's not going to happen. They have grinders on their teams too - every team needs them.

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#146 Hemmertime
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RossCreekNation wrote:

True. But one phone call from his agent saying 'Sheldon has no interest in entering your locker-room' and those teams suddenly aren't interested. No-trade or not, he'll have some say in his destination. I'd start with NYR (as Brownlee mentioned) or perhaps St. Louis. I don't see Dean Lombardi in LA touching him with a 10 foot pole.

Shouldn't that be considered tampering, just as we cant speak to someone under contract

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#147 Archaeologuy
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Pat Quinn talking about how the team needs better Centermen. Seguin?

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#148 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
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Harlie wrote:

really those are the exact same reasons that we could or should have ruled out Moreau. He nearly got traded this year with one year left on his contract, his nickname is Captain Glass for a reason and he's no spring chicken.

I know Souray, at least I did many years ago and he is as stand up a guy as you can meet. And I've read nearly all of Brownlee's and other's articles and they all referred to that character trait of Souray. So now that he is bitching about management how does that translate to him not being a standup for his teammates?

p.s - then is it relevant to call everyone "chicken littles" who called for Souray for the C if you now think it is irrelevant who the Captain is? Talking in circles??

The proof is now before us, if Souray was named captain last year this current situation would be worse then it currently is.

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#149 Hemmertime
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@Corsby87

I can't even believe I'm even thinking this but what about Pierre McGuire???

Pierre for what? GM? He doesnt even know the Oilers. He couldnt even take Joey Moss' position

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#150 Harlie
April 13 2010, 02:57PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The proof is now before us, if Souray was named captain last year this current situation would be worse then it currently is.

but I thought you didn't care who was Captain? And what point exactly are you trying to make? Are you siding with management and a Souray hater now cuz of his remarks? If so, that make you a bandwagon jumper of the worst kind. Like it or not I called for Souray to be the Captain and I've always hated Moreau being our Captain. I've never changed my opinion despite other's agreeing or not agreeing with me. You like looking in the rear view and changing your points or shaping your arguments accordingly. Pretty lame if you ask me.

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