ROSTER REVIEW

Jason Gregor
April 18 2010 10:03PM

A week has passed since the Oilers finished their worst season ever. I know statistically they had more points than the 1993 team, but there was no shootouts then, so let’s not argue semantics. This season sucked worse than any other, plain and simple.

So let’s now look ahead to next season. If I had asked these questions last week I think most of you would have said something to the effect of "unload all of these mother *&(&(*)@ piece of &*)*(@ players and take the management with them"

While that might have been valid, we know it isn’t realistic. In the short term the Oilers need to look at the next steps of what amounts to a complete overhaul of the team.

The Summer of Steve officially began last Wednesday when Tambellini said he wouldn’t put up with whiny, selfish, non-courageous and anti-Edmonton players. It’s one thing to say it, now we need to see him implement this new found outlook. I don’t expect him to call me this summer to ask for my advice, but I’m sure the OilersNation is saved on his browser so here’s what I think the Oilers will do this off-season.

(Note: Steve feel free to call or text me if I’m way off-base, you have my number.)

Many of you would love to buy out 19 players, four coaches, eight scouts and all the managers; hell someone even emailed me stating it’s time Paul Lorieau gets the boot, but we know Tambellini can’t gut the entire team in one five-month span. Here’s what the Oilers will do, okay should do, this summer.

GOALTENDING

 

Many think Nikolai Khabibulin was a brutal signing last summer, and coupled with his back surgery and drunk driving charge, it looks even worse, but buying him out would cripple the team even more, so the only option is to stick with him for the time being.

The real question here is who do you keep as the back up, Jeff Deslauriers or Devan Dubnyk?

Neither has proven they can be a consistent NHL goalie, but both have shown they can win a game by themselves. Deslauriers is more athletic, Dubnyk is more technical and that’s why I’d go with Dubnyk. He’s a bit younger and Deslauriers will probably fetch you more in a trade. Not a lot more, but maybe a 4th or 5th rounder instead of just losing him to the waiver wire in October.

Tambellini could wait and hope that every team will have two goalies they like coming out of training camp and Deslauriers might slide through waivers, but I don’t see that happening. Tambellini’s best option is to move him during the summer and get a mid to late round pick in return.

OUT OF THE GATE: Khabibulin and Dubnyk

DEFENCE

Tom Gilbert, Ryan Whitney and Ladislav Smid are obvious keepers at this point, but after that it gets difficult to think you will return. Taylor Chorney needs to get stronger and another half-season in the AHL won’t hurt him. Theo Peckham is close, but if he is here he is a number six at best. Tambellini will try to get a number four D-man in return for Sheldon Souray and if he gets one that doesn’t come with a $4 million cap hit, he’ll be happy.

The tough decision will be deciding on who they keep between Jason Strudwick and Aaron Johnson. If it was just an on ice decision they’d go with Johnson, but Strudwick is much respected and in tune with the younger players, and they need a veteran like that for at least one more year. Ideally Strudwick would only play around 40 games, but his value will come more in the dressing room than on the ice. Anyone who doesn’t think that element (professionalism) is necessary for this team moving forward hasn’t been paying attention.

OUT OF THE GATE: I see Smid, Whitney, Gilbert, Strudwick and Peckham returning for sure along with a stay-at-home defenceman from the Souray deal. Then Tambellini will try to bring in a number five and if he can’t they might have to settle for Johnson for one year.

CENTRE

Shawn Horcoff and Sam Gagner are locks to return, but they other positions will be debated heavily. If management chooses Tyler Seguin (which I think they will) he rounds out the top three and that leaves Marc Pouliot and Ryan Potulny to battle for the 4th line spot. Or does it? The Oilers could use a 4th line centre with some intensity, but I still think still need one of Potulny or Pouliot, just not both.

Even if they draft Taylor Hall, they still shouldn’t keep both. They need more of an identity in their bottom six, and having Potulny and Pouliot doesn’t solve that. Potulny had a great start, and no one saw him scoring 15 goals, but his play dipped drastically in the final 30 games and I don’t see him matching those goal totals, because he won’t get close to the same amount of PP time. The Oilers can’t keep both moving forward, because they are essentially the same player. Pouliot skates better, Potulny finishes better, but neither is overly physical, but Pouliot has learned to at least use his size to rub the odd guy off the puck.

Tambellini chose Pouliot over Brodziak last year, but he can’t make the same mistake this season. I’d keep Potulny and move Pouliot at the draft.

OUT OF THE GATE: Horcoff, Gagner, Seguin, Potulny and veteran UFA signing.

WINGERS

 

Trading Ales Hemsky for the 2nd pick is a pipe dream for Oiler fans, and while I’m not convinced Hemsky will be here long-term, he’ll be here next September. Dustin Penner is a no-brainer to return and Gilbert Brule is the other winger I’d keep on a supposed scoring line. After those three it gets really interesting.

If the Oilers surprise me (not that it would be bad to select Hall, I just don’t think they will at this point) and take Hall then the decision is easy. But since I don’t think he’ll be here, they still need another scorer and the options look to be one of Jordan Eberle, MPS, Andrew Cogliano, Linus Omark, Robert Nilsson, Jaromir Jagr or other.

You’ll notice I didn’t even mention Patrick O’Sullivan, because I don’t see any way he returns to Edmonton. They will either trade him or buy him out. They’d keep Nilsson over him at this point. It might cause uproar in the Oil-blogosphere, but Eberle is not a lock to make this team coming out of camp. If he earns it they will find a spot for him, but if he is just average in the preseason, they won’t hesitate to give him 40 games in the AHL to hone is game.

There is no way the Oilers want to rush any of their top offensive prospects next season, despite the barrage of hate mail they will receive from over-zealous fans wearing Eberle jerseys next season. MPS and Omark are the most difficult to gauge at this point. Many feel both are ready to play next year, but there is only room for one of them to start the season. Omark has committed to playing in North America next season, while as of today there is no guarantee MPS will choose the AHL over the SEL.

I threw in Jagr because I’m still not 100% sold that this team will go completely with youth, and the allure of Jagr teaching showing their young offensive guys some tricks-of-the-trade might be too much for Tambellini and company to resist. My head tells me no, but like that annoying buddy who buys you two shots at last call, sometimes guys make impulsive decisions that seem good at the time but ultimately don’t pan out. I think Jagr coming here is about a 30/70 chance. Prove me wrong Steve. Nilsson just doesn’t fit in moving forward, and while buy outs aren't the best option all the time, in this case it probably makes sense.

I don’t see Andrew Cogliano playing here next season. No one has told me this flat out, but when Pat Quinn was talking about players worrying about who they play with, Cogliano’s name popped into my head. Cogliano could easily become a 20-25 goal scorer with another organization, and that’s why he has value on the trade market, but they have too many small, soft, supposedly-skilled forwards and someone has to go. Cogliano will be that guy, and I think they’ll address their lack of size by sending Cogliano packing.

GRIT, ATTITUDE, GRIT and NASTINESS

The Oilers biggest void is an identity in their bottom six forwards. For the past four years they haven’t had enough guys willing to be puck-hounds every shift, and that’s exactly what they need. Until the young talent, becomes proven scoring talent the Oilers need their bottom four wingers to make life difficult for the opposition. The problem is these types of wingers are a rarity so realistically Tambellini might only be able to nab one this summer.

Zach Stortini is limited in his game, but his game has slowly improved over the years, he’ll continue that over the summer. If he could gain even a quarter step of foot speed he’d be able to finish more hits and make life harder on opposing D-men. He knows his role and is under contract for another year.

J.F Jacques led the Oilers in hits, 158, despite playing only 49 games. His back is a question mark, but he proved this season that he finally understands the need to be physical every game. He skates well for a big-man, and if he can stay healthy he could morph into a 3rd liner. Of course that is a big if, and that’s why they will need another forward who can fill in for Jacques when he misses the odd game. Tambellini has to find some depth amongst his physical wingers.

The Oilers had a measly three players with 100+ hits, which is why they rarely had the puck in the offensive zone for any extended period of time. Once they lost it, they didn’t have the ability to get it back via a check.

Many, including Ethan Moreau, thought the captain would be gone at the trade deadline, but that didn’t happen and his strong finish could see him start the year in Edmonton . Moreau was humbled at the deadline when no one was willing to trade for him, and he seemed to find the game that made him effective for the previous ten seasons in Edmonton . Moreau can only be effective playing one way; Tenacious. If he doesn’t play with emotion then he looks like he did for the first 60 games this year; Horrendous.

Three months ago I would have said there was no way he’d be here in September, but now I think you’ll see him start the season in Edmonton .

Ryan Jones and Ryan Stone will battle for one of the two extra forward spots. There isn’t room for both and they are essentially the same type of player. Both will come to camp, but only one will survive. The wild card in this equation is Mike Comrie.

Comrie wants to play here next year, and only Dustin Penner averaged more goals per game than Comrie last year. His competitive fire is what would make him valuable next season. This roster will have at least three and maybe four small, skilled forwards who could learn a lot from how Comrie plays. He goes to the tough areas to score goals, he doesn’t shy away and he stands up for himself. His biggest asset might be that he has proven he can produce with limited minutes.

He doesn’t need to play 18 minutes a night to score 20 goals. His presence would also push the young guys to produce; otherwise he might take their spot for a game here or there. His versatility, experience and reasonable salary should have him back in Oiler silks next season.

The debate will also rage on during the summer about Potulny and Pouliot. If I am making the call I would take the guy who blew through every single expectation he had going into the season registering15 goals and 17 assists for 32 in 64 games over a guy who has had four years to prove he wants to stay on this roster and has done little in this regard. 

But that's just me.

OUT OF THE GATE: Hemsky, Penner, Brule, Stortini, Moreau, Jacques, Eberle, Stone, Comrie and off-season UFA signing.

NET SUM GAME

If you are skipping to the end of this murder mystery novel all this means Sheldon Souray, Robert Nilsson, Patrick O’Sullivan, Fernando Pisani, Aaron Johnson and Andrew Cogliano won’t be back.

Ddf3e2ba09069c465299f3c416e43eae
One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
Avatar
#151 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
April 19 2010, 03:13PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Crash wrote:

Hmmmm, ok then....I guess my feeling would be that if 2 mature guys just entering adulthood were almost exactly the same age, height and weight and that if one were stronger than the other it would be because he has made himself that way via hard work...I don't know??

I don't know I think one guy being a year behind in hockey development problem plays a part of it. While close to the same age, I'd suspect Hall has been working out one extra year over Seguin.

Avatar
#152 Crash
April 19 2010, 03:21PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Matt Henderson wrote:

You're talking about 18 year olds, people mature at different speeds. At 18 I was 130 pounds, by the time I was 23 I was at 180. You never would have guessed based on my 18 year old self.

Also Seguin is listed at 172 pounds by Central Scouting while Hall is 185, though I have heard someone say he's at 200.

Ok, so what if they both haven't physically matured? We're all talking like Hall is at his max and Seguin isn't. If Hall is bigger, maybe he'll always be bigger...is this not possible?

Just asking because one of the the things we hear about the Oilers is we don't have enough size...

Avatar
#153 Robin Brownlee
April 19 2010, 03:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Matt Henderson

That someone is me. Hall went into the series against Plymouth at 202 pounds. That's right from an Oilers scout.

Avatar
#154 Bucknuck
April 19 2010, 03:28PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Crash wrote:

Hmmmm, ok then....I guess my feeling would be that if 2 mature guys just entering adulthood were almost exactly the same age, height and weight and that if one were stronger than the other it would be because he has made himself that way via hard work...I don't know??

Or... you could actually believe what Gregor is saying since he would probably know a lot more about the situation than either of us.

My point was that two people can have the same weight and be different physical maturities. People grow up at different rates and that is all there is to it. Neither one of my kids works harder than the other that I can tell yet one is a lot stronger than the other.

Avatar
#155 Matt Henderson
April 19 2010, 03:29PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Crash

"So what if both havent physically matured?" Really?

Avatar
#156 Matt Henderson
April 19 2010, 03:31PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Robin Brownlee wrote:

That someone is me. Hall went into the series against Plymouth at 202 pounds. That's right from an Oilers scout.

Thanks RB, 202 pounds in the CHL is a pretty big advantage. Do you know if Oiler scouts are concerned that his size advantage wont translate to the NHL?

Avatar
#157 OilFan
April 19 2010, 03:31PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Since when to Crosby start playing the PK and shutdown role?

At the being of this season and during the playoffs. Yes Ovie is two dimensional not one. Just beacuse Crosby doesn't run around ( charging) players doesn't mean he doesn't play hard. Crosby is almost impossible to move off the puck

Avatar
#158 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
April 19 2010, 03:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OilFan wrote:

At the being of this season and during the playoffs. Yes Ovie is two dimensional not one. Just beacuse Crosby doesn't run around ( charging) players doesn't mean he doesn't play hard. Crosby is almost impossible to move off the puck

What does Crosby bring that Ovechkin doesn't? For the record I like Ovechkin more, but I don't really know who is the better of the two.

Avatar
#159 Team Hall
April 19 2010, 03:35PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Hey Robin,

You and Stauff broke the news the Oilers like Seguin. Did you get any sense as to the reason why? I hope its not just because Seguin is a centre, because a responsible scout picks the BPA at all times. So how is they have become convinced that Seguin is the better player? What is it I'm not seeing here? How does one "project" a player to be available without a crystal ball? Is it the fact he had no help on his team? How do they explain Seguin getting completely shut down in that series with Windsor?

Signed,

Concerned Oil Citizen

Avatar
#160 madjam
April 19 2010, 03:39PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

When you take a picture of Hall's upper stature to Sequins - you'll notice the upper development of Hall to be tight (workouts obvious ) and mature looking . The kid has a huge neck size reminisent of Jarri Kurri - who panned out pretty nicely as i recall . Just thought some of you might have also noticed the same correlation or similarity ?

Avatar
#161 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 19 2010, 03:40PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

What does Crosby bring that Ovechkin doesn't? For the record I like Ovechkin more, but I don't really know who is the better of the two.

a stanley cup ring? gold medal?

Avatar
#162 rubbertrout
April 19 2010, 03:43PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

a stanley cup ring? gold medal?

Both the product of being on better TEAMS. Better Team does not necessrily mean better player. Put Ovie on those teams and is he the one with the hardware?

Avatar
#163 Word
April 19 2010, 03:43PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Crash wrote:

You're missing the point...it seems many are stating that because the scouts have Seguin rated number one that he is the best...all we're pointing out is that the scouts are above being questioned (just like coaches and management of NHL teams) and that they have been wrong before (many times) and they will be wrong again.

The news letter has been well documented over the last few weeks and it's not just about scouts. There have been many reasons stated as to why people like Hall over Seguin and they are likely similar to the reasons you already have.

To me it's all about the evidence as if it were a court of law as to what we've seen so far from the 2 players in question yet when the reasons are brought up we get to hear how it is the scouts say Seguin so it must be true...this leads to the questioning of scouts. So examples are given that show that the scouts do get it wrong and you can't just go by what the scouts say.

So why do you like Hall better when the scouts are saying that Seguin is #1?

For me it's PR. I don't know which player is better, and presuming everyone here has done their homework, it appears that the Scouts don't really know either.

What I do think, is that the average Oiler fan (a demographic probably not well represented online) doesn't want to go into full on 5-year rebuild mode. If Hall looks better next year, then the fans need that to appease their appetites for success from a team that habitually underperforms and disappoints will want to see immediate results instead of future results.

The problem is that it seems as though whoever goes #2 will look better because they will be sheltered on a much better Boston team. We're doomed into thinking that the Oilers scouts failed, because we're drafting into a system that embraces failure.

Avatar
#164 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
April 19 2010, 03:43PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@rubbertrout

x2.

Ask Detroit how all those cup rings are doing for them.

Avatar
#165 Crash
April 19 2010, 03:44PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Bucknuck wrote:

Or... you could actually believe what Gregor is saying since he would probably know a lot more about the situation than either of us.

My point was that two people can have the same weight and be different physical maturities. People grow up at different rates and that is all there is to it. Neither one of my kids works harder than the other that I can tell yet one is a lot stronger than the other.

Actually what I think when it comes to evaluating players or guessing about the future that Gregor is a sports fan just like I am and just like everyone else is and that he doesn't necessarily know anymore about these kind of things than anyone else.

If Hall truly is 202 lbs now...to me all the more reason to draft Hall...

Listen to the 2 interviews on ched with Seguin and Hall....one talks of playing a hard nosed game in the corners and in front of the net and the other talks of being a puck distributor...

All I've been saying all along is I want the drive the net guys that we are sorely lacking...We already have talented puck distributors....please please Oilers give us some sandpaper all wrapped up in a mound of skill.

Avatar
#166 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 19 2010, 03:44PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
rubbertrout wrote:

Both the product of being on better TEAMS. Better Team does not necessrily mean better player. Put Ovie on those teams and is he the one with the hardware?

thanks captain obvious.

Avatar
#167 Chickenplucker
April 19 2010, 03:45PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
madjam wrote:

When you take a picture of Hall's upper stature to Sequins - you'll notice the upper development of Hall to be tight (workouts obvious ) and mature looking . The kid has a huge neck size reminisent of Jarri Kurri - who panned out pretty nicely as i recall . Just thought some of you might have also noticed the same correlation or similarity ?

So neck size equals NHL greatness....okay...Seguin looked good in a suit and so did Getzky. Anyone else notice this?

Avatar
#168 rubbertrout
April 19 2010, 03:47PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

And yet you're the one putting the fact that Crosby has a Ring and a Medal forward as him bringing other things to the table than Ovechkin. I thought it was pretty obvious too but your comment suggested to me that you hadn't grasped it. ;)

Avatar
#169 OilFan
April 19 2010, 03:48PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

What does Crosby bring that Ovechkin doesn't? For the record I like Ovechkin more, but I don't really know who is the better of the two.

Plays the PK, more diciplined player defensively. CANADIAN,

Avatar
#170 Chickenplucker
April 19 2010, 03:49PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

@rubbertrout

When the Pens won the cup the Caaps had more regular season points, making them the better team? Therefore Crosby must be the better player.

Avatar
#171 OilFan
April 19 2010, 03:51PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Since coming into the league together in 2005, Crosby and Ovechkin have played each other 17 times in the regular season. Crosby’s Pittsburgh Penguins have won 11 of those games. In those 17 match-ups, Crosby has 29 points (11 goals, 18 assists) and Ovechkin has 25 points (13 goals, 12 assists).

Avatar
#172 smiliegirl15
April 19 2010, 03:54PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I think you also have to consider the quality of the team Seguin plays on as opposed to Hall's. For a lot of the season we've heard Seguin makes the players around him better. I'm not saying Hall does not, but it is less evident because he plays with a better team. I think it would be fair to say Seguin carried his team whereas Hall has ridden his.

Avatar
#173 rubbertrout
April 19 2010, 03:55PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Chickenplucker

Seriously? Points have lots of different meanings and I would hope that if you are in a division with Carolina, Atlanta, Tampa Bay and Florida that you might get more points than in a tougher division. Especially in years past when there were even more divisional games than there are now.

@Oilfan

I'm all for patriotism but just being Canadian doesn't put someone over the top in being a better player unless the person judging is Don Cherry. Ovechkin certainly doesn't play in the stereotypical "European" fashion.

Avatar
#174 mowgli
April 19 2010, 03:57PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OilFan wrote:

Why can't people just get it The Oilers are leaning towards Seguin. They don't have a first line center in the system. First line centerman are hard to get. Don't the Oilers already have a bunch of wingers?

The oilers have a bunch of natual centers that get put on the wings.

Avatar
#175 OilFan
April 19 2010, 04:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@rubbertrout

< @ MYSELF

P>Hell they are both wicked hockey players.

Avatar
#176 rubbertrout
April 19 2010, 04:05PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@OilFan

Holla that. See my edit to comment #143.

It's like arguing over which supermodel you take home.

Avatar
#177 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
April 19 2010, 04:06PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OilFan wrote:

Plays the PK, more diciplined player defensively. CANADIAN,

I think he played 5 seconds of PK in these playoffs.

Avatar
#178 dragon
April 19 2010, 04:12PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

What does Crosby bring that Ovechkin doesn't? For the record I like Ovechkin more, but I don't really know who is the better of the two.

his team(s) to the cup(gold)...

it's quite normal to see leadership being underrated around Hemskyland. ;-)

Avatar
#179 madjam
April 19 2010, 04:12PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Chickenplucker wrote:

So neck size equals NHL greatness....okay...Seguin looked good in a suit and so did Getzky. Anyone else notice this?

You don't get kids with such an upper body torso like Hall and all his other skills failing at NHL level - they are few and far between . Sequin just pales in comparison at this stage . Sequin also is not the class that Gretzky is/was to be honest , and i think it pretty obvious he'll not reach those heights . I feel it safe to say Hall will remain an upper eschilon player , while Sequin is more iffy even down the line . It's clear to me Oilers need to take Hall first - it's the safest and most guarateed route to take for our first pick . I'd hate for them to take Sequin first and possibly lose out on what i call a guaranteed winner in Hall !!Will Sequin turn out to be better than Hall down the road anywhere ? I wouldn't lay money on it to be honest , because i fully believe he will not . I like the body structure of Hall, his physicallness, and his ovearall skills and leadership abilities far more than what Sequin has shown so far or may show in future . The books and question marks on Sequin are still debatable , Hall not so much !!

Avatar
#180 OilFan
April 19 2010, 04:21PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

I think he played 5 seconds of PK in these playoffs.

So he can't play the whole game. I'm sure he played more then that. Same goes to the fact Ovie played less games this year, are you going to knock Crosby for being healthy or not getting suspended ? Like Rubbertrout suggested it's like arguing over super models. I like Blonde you may like Brunette.

Avatar
#181 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 19 2010, 04:23PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
smiliegirl15 wrote:

I think you also have to consider the quality of the team Seguin plays on as opposed to Hall's. For a lot of the season we've heard Seguin makes the players around him better. I'm not saying Hall does not, but it is less evident because he plays with a better team. I think it would be fair to say Seguin carried his team whereas Hall has ridden his.

This whole team-mates thing is a bunch of balogna.

Did you know that 18 year old Crosby put up 102 points on the 29th place team in the league and then at 21 with 3 NHL seasons under his belt he put up 103 points on the 8th best team in the league.

AO put up 106 points as a 19 year old rookie on the 27th place team, at 22 he put up 110 on 3rd best team in the league.

Striet had almost identical numbers on the last place NYI as he did on the first place Habs.

Guerin put up near identical PPG stats his first full year playing on the Pens as he did his last year on the NYI.

Kovalchucks PPG was *lower* on the 5th place Devils then it was on the 23rd place Thrashers.

Good players are going to put up points regardless of where they play.

Avatar
#182 OilFan
April 19 2010, 04:23PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@OilFan

I'm sure if the Oilers had Ovie I wouldn't complain and if we had Crosby no one would complain either. I like the supermodel idea

. LOL not sure why I'm talking to my self ? ? ? ? ?

Avatar
#183 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 19 2010, 04:24PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
2
cheers
dragon wrote:

his team(s) to the cup(gold)...

it's quite normal to see leadership being underrated around Hemskyland. ;-)

Shocking that you don't see how foolish you look bashing Hemsky after this year.

Avatar
#184 Mouse
April 19 2010, 04:36PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OilFan wrote:

So he can't play the whole game. I'm sure he played more then that. Same goes to the fact Ovie played less games this year, are you going to knock Crosby for being healthy or not getting suspended ? Like Rubbertrout suggested it's like arguing over super models. I like Blonde you may like Brunette.

And everyone loves those redheads....

Unless you are tlking about guys, then you beat those gingers like the red-headed step children they are!

*No gingers were harmed during the making of this post*

Avatar
#185 smiliegirl15
April 19 2010, 04:41PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@madjam

if it's clear to you, then thank you for clearing it up for us to know it should be the opposite.

@Original Ogden Brother - Team Hall

Then Seguin should be a sure thing then since he's had great numbers with a not so great team.

Avatar
#186 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
April 19 2010, 04:54PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
smiliegirl15 wrote:

@madjam

if it's clear to you, then thank you for clearing it up for us to know it should be the opposite.

@Original Ogden Brother - Team Hall

Then Seguin should be a sure thing then since he's had great numbers with a not so great team.

What it means is that using the teamates argument to lift Seguin and drop Hall is weak at best.

Avatar
#187 Team Hall
April 19 2010, 04:59PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Exactly, Ogden brother, that's why Seguin should have put up points in that series with Windsor, regardless of team.

Avatar
#188 Matt Henderson
April 19 2010, 05:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Team Hall wrote:

Exactly, Ogden brother, that's why Seguin should have put up points in that series with Windsor, regardless of team.

4 games. You're going to throw a guy under the bus for 4 games. I'm glad we had scouts looking at these players for much longer than that.

Avatar
#189 Team Hall
April 19 2010, 05:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Na, I'm not going to go so far as to throw him under a moving bus, but I will say that of two very good prospects with little distinguishing them, this might just tip the scales the way of....Team Hall

Avatar
#190 Bombay
April 19 2010, 05:09PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Just to chime in, for those saying Hall is a better leader, I do believe he has never worn an "a" whereas Seguin, in only his second year, is one of the three rotating captains. Not saying he's a better player, just that it's quite possible he has more leadership qualities than Hall.

Avatar
#191 Bombay
April 19 2010, 05:42PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

And for those complaining about management doing a lot of talking but not actually making an changes, I guess you were in a coma before the trade deadline. ;)So just to fill you in, Tambo traded away half the Oilers defencemen, with the main aim getting younger and cheaper. And there's no way Souray is here next year.

I personally expect quite a few changes in the summer. Should be the most exciting off season we've had in a LONG time.

Avatar
#192 OilFan
April 19 2010, 05:52PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Bombay wrote:

And for those complaining about management doing a lot of talking but not actually making an changes, I guess you were in a coma before the trade deadline. ;)So just to fill you in, Tambo traded away half the Oilers defencemen, with the main aim getting younger and cheaper. And there's no way Souray is here next year.

I personally expect quite a few changes in the summer. Should be the most exciting off season we've had in a LONG time.

I hope to see the changes. I can't wait for the draft hurry up and win the Cup Crosby

Avatar
#193 Matt Henderson
April 19 2010, 05:54PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OilFan wrote:

I hope to see the changes. I can't wait for the draft hurry up and win the Cup Crosby

EDIT: Post retracted after OFs was changed

Avatar
#194 OilFan
April 19 2010, 05:56PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Matt Henderson wrote:

EDIT: Post retracted after OFs was changed

Sorry Ach, yes he made some good moves on the D line.

Avatar
#195 OilFan
April 19 2010, 05:59PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

oilfans.com is great for looking at all the transactions the Oilers have ever made.

Avatar
#196 DoubleJ
April 19 2010, 06:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I think a good pick up is Arron Asham for our fourth/third line. He big, and he has skill too. He's a ufa and I don't think Philly can keep him.

Avatar
#197 David S
April 19 2010, 06:06PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Holy crap! Was today a holiday or something?

Avatar
#198 oilfan#99
April 19 2010, 06:07PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Remeber Marc Pouliot he had 107 points the year Oilers drafted him. They said he played on the worst team and had that many point. I am hearing samething about Seguin that he had nobody to play with ... This is only year that Seguin had 106 points ...last year Seugin had 21 goals and 67 points. On the other hand Hall had 38 goals and 90 points. It might be one year wonder with Seugin................ so why not draft HALL

Avatar
#199 Mitch
April 19 2010, 06:15PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

To think that Cogliano will be gone and Moreau will start here is just wrong, we have watched 4! years of crap hockey from this player.

Line 1 Jagr Hall Hemsky Line 2 Penner Cogliano Brule Line 3 Ufa Horcoff Comrie Line 4 Jones Pouliot Stortini extra Gorges Laraque Another Energy guy Defense 1 Whitney Gilbert Defense 2 shut down guy Smid defense 3 UFA(John Scott) Peckam extra Jason Strudwick Goal Khabibulin Dubnyk

Not sold on Hemsky being here, think that Gagner could be used to aquire a good piece of puzzle. It's really hard to project this roster after Tambellini's presser anything may happen. I know Hall is playing wing, I think he is easily be converted to center. Fourth line could be totally differnt aside from Stortini. Don't know if you can keep Eberle or MPS away either.

Avatar
#200 OilFan
April 19 2010, 06:25PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Mitch

I don't think Gagner gets you much more then Cogs in a trade ? Maybe they package Gagner and Souray for a decent return

Comments are closed for this article.