MacGregor spills the beans: Hall will go first!

Robin Brownlee
May 25 2010 11:31PM

Windsor Spitfires Taylor Hall hoists the Memorial Cup after defeating the Brandon Wheat Kings in Brandon

Edmonton Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor came out and said it Tuesday night -- the Oilers will take Windsor Spitfires star and two-time Memorial Cup winner and MVP Taylor Hall first. Then, they'll take Tyler Seguin.

Now that I've got your attention, I'm talking, of course, about the order of interviews being conducted by an Edmonton contingent that includes MacGregor, GM Steve Tambellini, president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe and OHL scouts Kent Hawley and Brad Davis at the NHL Combine in Toronto.

Having interviewed 22 players Tuesday, the Oilers will be sitting down with Hall on Wednesday for a 20-minute session just before the lunch hour. They will interview Seguin Thursday.

So, does who goes first in the poke-and-prod sessions between Hall and Seguin telegraph who goes first on draft day in Los Angeles, where the Oilers have first pick? MacGregor, surprising nobody, isn't saying.

MacGregor's silence aside, don't bet on it.

TALK IS CHEAP

While some people insist player interviews at the combine carry a lot of weight in the decision-making process, and that can be the case if a prospect absolutely soils the sheets in the gab session -- or shows up for the draft with two black eyes like brawler Link Gaetz did back in 1988  -- MacGregor is downplaying the interview.

"It's a minor part of it all," MacGregor said from Toronto after wrapping up interviews on Tuesday. "It's about getting to know them a bit more. We've already had discussions with these kids.

"Steve (Tambellini) wants to make sure we go through the process. Each and every day you look at it and you evaluate it. Maybe you can pick up something you missed."

Realistically, and even if MacGregor won't say it, neither Hall nor Seguin are going to change anybody's mind with what they say in these sessions. MacGregor, himself, has already had two face-to-face talks with Hall and Seguin, as have other members of the Oilers contingent.

Nobody's going to come up with a psyche-probing question that's going to tip the scales, are they? In the case of Hall and Seguin, no.

CAN'T MISS?

While MacGregor declined an invitation to slip me his list on the down-low, I'm still of the mind the Oilers will take Seguin, even with Hall's MVP performance for Windsor at the MC in Brandon.

With the majority of Oilers fans clamouring for Hall in the wake of his playoff performance, many suggesting there's no good reason to take Seguin first overall -- really? -- the call will come down to MacGregor.

One thing perhaps lost in the debate about the dynamic Hall and the talented Seguin, the right-handed centre from the Plymouth Whalers, is that maybe there is no bad pick from this tandem.

"I don't think there's a miss here," MacGregor said. "We've seen both these players a lot and both of them are special for different reasons. Having said that, you want to get the best guy."

Think Seguin. Just saying...

DAMAGED GOODS

I was chatting with Bob Stauffer today and we got around to talking about former Oiler Eric Brewer, and whether it would make sense for Tambellini to pursue him, maybe in a package with tough guy D.J. King.

The Oilers, of course, are thin on the back end beyond Ryan Whitney, Tom Gilbert and Ladislav Smid, if you assume Sheldon Souray is history, which he is. Likewise in the tough guy department, considering the Oilers will likely ice a small and young line-up and are weaklings beyond willing Zack Stortini.

We got to plugging names into scenarios, and Brewer and King came up in the conversation. With Brewer, it's because the Blues might be looking to move him and his $4.25 million cap hit because they have a young, loaded defence that includes Erik Johnson, veteran Barret Jackman and Roman Polak, to name just three, vying for minutes.

King, of course, is an up-and-coming ruffian who can play a little, and he's an RFA who made $550,000 this season. He'll be cheap and he'd fit better into Pat Quinn's "has to be able to play" edict than a re-cycled cop like Georges Laraque or Derek Boogaard.

Brewer, now 31, is worth  his cap hit when healthy, but that's a big "if" when you consider shoulder surgery and back problems have limited him to 87 games the past two seasons.

Even if the Blues would take a Patrick O'Sullivan or Robert Nilsson in a swap, I'd pass on Brewer because of his recent medical history. It makes no sense to spend north of $4 million on a guy who might play fewer than 60 games. The Oilers, for the time being, already have that in Souray.

As for King, 26, I'd make a phone call on him, but the first questions I'd ask are about the right hand injuries (he needed surgery) and shoulder problems he's had. There's some risk with him, too, but it's a $600,000 or $700,000 gamble, not a $4.25-million roll of the dice.

THIS AND THAT

-- I don't get it when some fans espouse the need for the Oilers to acquire an agitator -- fill in the name of your favourite loudmouthed, face-washer-cheapshot-artist here.

If you're talking about adding hard-nosed players who make a team more difficult to play against -- a Steve Ott or a Daniel Carcillo -- fine. If you're talking about the type of players who wag their gums or do much of their handiwork after the whistle, that makes no sense.

The Oilers don't have enough toughness in their line-up to take care of the small, soft players they already have. So how is it they would benefit from bringing in a sh*t-disturber to start stuff they can't finish?

-- MacGregor and the rest of he Oilers staff will take a backseat when prospects go through their fitness testing, starting Friday.

The Oilers contingent will leave it to fitness consultant Simon Bennett to decipher results from the testing sessions.

-- Mark Pysyk of the Edmonton Oil Kings, Nino Niederreiter of the Portland Winter Hawks and Vladimir Tarasenko of Novosibirsk (Russia) are among the top prospects interviewed by the Oilers already.

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#101 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 03:35PM
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baggedmilk wrote:

Dakin angry. Dakin smash!

I bench pressed my own body weight today for the first time. I'm feeling a little spry.

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#102 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 03:36PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

You've seen him play twice? You're clearly an expert. What are the Oilers thinking about scouting hundreds of man games with multilple people and opinions.

Give your head a shake.

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#103 Eddie Shore
May 26 2010, 03:37PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

I have an answer for you. Yes. Twice. Have I seen Hall play? Yes. more than twice.

Fair enough. That's twice more than me but I still don't think that is enough to have such a definitive opinion on who we should choose.

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#104 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 03:38PM
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one more thing...

What is the risk with Hall? If either player pans out as planned, Hall would be a safe pick who everyone thought he would. If he doesn't, the world will say (along with the fanbase) "well who would have thought a player like him would flop...not the Oilers fault... If Seguin flops, everyone will say "The Oilers took a chance on a guy who had ONE good season in Jr." and it backfired. Given the Oilers situation, its not a gamble I'd be willing to take... and once again, Seguin has never won anything... Hall is a winner... you can't teach that.

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#105 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 03:39PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Props.

Enough, if people care both of them are interviewed on the oilers website. Draw your own conclusions. I posted the links, but they must have been "madjammed".

Did somebody "andrew" up your links?

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#106 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 03:40PM
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I said this in another thread and I will say it again...

NONE OF YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT EITHER PLAYER TO HAVE A VALID OPINION*

*SMASH!!!!!!!!

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#107 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 03:41PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

Name one successful team that has built their franchise long term around a winger when they have no legitimate top line centre. The Oilers need a 1st line center. You can't trade for them and Edmonton can't sign them. Seguin is the only legitimate option for them.

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#108 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 03:41PM
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@Crackenbury

Give my head a shake? I never said I was an expert... but its often times the "experts" who overthink things when its pretty obvious to the masses what the right choice is. Don't forget, it was the "experts" who got us into this mess thats allowing us to draft #1 overall.

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#109 Eddie Shore
May 26 2010, 03:42PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

one more thing...

What is the risk with Hall? If either player pans out as planned, Hall would be a safe pick who everyone thought he would. If he doesn't, the world will say (along with the fanbase) "well who would have thought a player like him would flop...not the Oilers fault... If Seguin flops, everyone will say "The Oilers took a chance on a guy who had ONE good season in Jr." and it backfired. Given the Oilers situation, its not a gamble I'd be willing to take... and once again, Seguin has never won anything... Hall is a winner... you can't teach that.

They are both gambles in the fact that neither is a proven commodity, neither has played a single second in the NHL, so stop acting as if Hall is.

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#110 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 03:43PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

one more thing...

What is the risk with Hall? If either player pans out as planned, Hall would be a safe pick who everyone thought he would. If he doesn't, the world will say (along with the fanbase) "well who would have thought a player like him would flop...not the Oilers fault... If Seguin flops, everyone will say "The Oilers took a chance on a guy who had ONE good season in Jr." and it backfired. Given the Oilers situation, its not a gamble I'd be willing to take... and once again, Seguin has never won anything... Hall is a winner... you can't teach that.

Have you ever invested any money in anything, with the hope that one day it might be worth more than it is today, or more than something else you could buy with that money today?

The concept is the same here. We don't know how each player will turn out, but the value of a top end right-shot centre > left wing sniper.

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#111 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 03:43PM
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@Travis Dakin

AMEN!!!! best part is they may not be valid but we HAVE opinions! And all this typing and arguing will have ZERO outcome on what happens! :) I d rather argue with oiler fans than Flame fans anyday... at least we are keeping it in the family...

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#112 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 26 2010, 03:44PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

one more thing...

What is the risk with Hall? If either player pans out as planned, Hall would be a safe pick who everyone thought he would. If he doesn't, the world will say (along with the fanbase) "well who would have thought a player like him would flop...not the Oilers fault... If Seguin flops, everyone will say "The Oilers took a chance on a guy who had ONE good season in Jr." and it backfired. Given the Oilers situation, its not a gamble I'd be willing to take... and once again, Seguin has never won anything... Hall is a winner... you can't teach that.

do you not think there might be something about seguin that makes him a better pick? surely there must be a reason central scouting and such have him ranked ahead of hall, even with halls proven track record.

is it really taking a chance on a guy when he is rated #1(by some)?

is this turris/kane all over again? perhaps. i am just glad it isnt me that has to make the call.

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#113 Ender
May 26 2010, 03:44PM
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@Matt Henderson

For me, part of Seguin's appeal is also the Hall-Lindros comparison. Scares the heck out of me, whether it has any basis in reality or not. I've see enough concussions on the Oilers lately to last a lifetime.

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#114 Bucknuck
May 26 2010, 03:45PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

one more thing...

What is the risk with Hall? If either player pans out as planned, Hall would be a safe pick who everyone thought he would. If he doesn't, the world will say (along with the fanbase) "well who would have thought a player like him would flop...not the Oilers fault... If Seguin flops, everyone will say "The Oilers took a chance on a guy who had ONE good season in Jr." and it backfired. Given the Oilers situation, its not a gamble I'd be willing to take... and once again, Seguin has never won anything... Hall is a winner... you can't teach that.

The Oilers' scouts have watched both players one heck of a lot more than you have. If you choose not to be a fan because they happen to disagree with your opinion then that is your loss.

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#115 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 03:48PM
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@Crackenbury

Hall played C his whole life until thiys year. Stop acting as though Hall plays LW or nothing at all. Name one franchise who has 3 ELITE Centers who lost to Montreal these playoffs. Hey, i agree with the value of a top tier Centerman... and I would take Toews over Kane all day long... but we don t know who either player will turn out to be and I am simply of the opinion that Hall is more proven and less of a gamble... face it EVERY player ever drafted is a gamble until you look back on their career 20 years after to see what they have accomplished...

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#116 Let's Rebuild
May 26 2010, 03:49PM
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I have a completely unrelated question that I was hoping someone might have some insights. It has been discussed previously that the Oilers are stuck with the cap hit on Khabibulin's contract even if he retires. If he were to retire could we trade his contract (rights) to another team that is struggling to reach the cap minimum? This would take it off our hands and it would help the other team each the cap minimum without increasing their overall salary. I'm pretty sure Phoenix wouldn't mind spending 3.75 mil less than cap minimum for a few years.

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#117 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 26 2010, 03:52PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

Hall played C his whole life until thiys year. Stop acting as though Hall plays LW or nothing at all. Name one franchise who has 3 ELITE Centers who lost to Montreal these playoffs. Hey, i agree with the value of a top tier Centerman... and I would take Toews over Kane all day long... but we don t know who either player will turn out to be and I am simply of the opinion that Hall is more proven and less of a gamble... face it EVERY player ever drafted is a gamble until you look back on their career 20 years after to see what they have accomplished...

you mean the same team that made the finals AND won the cup in consecutive years?

~yah, dont want to copy them at all~

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#118 Oil_Loc8or
May 26 2010, 03:53PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

You're willing to burn your Oilers jersey over a draft pick? There are no guarentees that either will be great NHL players....

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#119 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 03:55PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

You're right, every draft pick is a gamble. In the case of Hall or Seguin, it's almost universal that these 2 guys are both going to do well. The Oilers will gamble on the right handed centre. They don't come along every draft as a potential #1.

Picking Hall won't be the end of the world for most fans that think Seguin is the correct pick. Reread your original post. I think you might want to reconsider some parts of it.

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#120 Arby
May 26 2010, 04:03PM
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4 things that have been bugging me around here (and elsewhere) lately:

We need some reasonable expectations for these kids. Gags had more points than both of them (adjusted or strait up). So the 'experts' can blow their "Messier" and "Yzerman" comparisons.

What exactly are our expectations for either kid? People throw around ‘franchise’ like it goes hand in hand with first overall.

We have two very good prospects today, and when we wake up (hungover) a month from today, we will have a better prospect than both of those.

We shouldn’t give an ounce of rat piss as to who the pick is. It’s not the pick this year that matters, it’s the development. I want them to pick the kid they’re most comfortable with, and then give that kid every ounce of care and attention to facilitate turning into something special.

I am FAR more invested in who we will get at 31 right now, and for the record i hope it's Petrovic or Kabanov.

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#121 Oil_Loc8or
May 26 2010, 04:04PM
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@Let's Rebuild

Why won't they get roster players if they need to spend more cap money?

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#122 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 04:05PM
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@Oil_Loc8or

oh of course I 'm exagerating, I would only burn the hideous old thrid jersey... I do also also think it would be wise for the Oilers to at least let Boston think they are taking Hall... Then perhaps they get more than just Seguin if Boston is that crazy over Hall.. even if they wanted Seguin all along. Thats just using your position of strength wisely

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#123 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 04:08PM
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@Oil_Loc8or If a guy retires you no longer pay his salary, but in Khabibulins case you take the cap hit. It's an interesting scenario for a team that can't afford to spend the money, but needs to meet the NHL minimum. The sad thing is, there may be teams that need to do this next year if it's allowable.

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Let's Rebuild wrote:

I have a completely unrelated question that I was hoping someone might have some insights. It has been discussed previously that the Oilers are stuck with the cap hit on Khabibulin's contract even if he retires. If he were to retire could we trade his contract (rights) to another team that is struggling to reach the cap minimum? This would take it off our hands and it would help the other team each the cap minimum without increasing their overall salary. I'm pretty sure Phoenix wouldn't mind spending 3.75 mil less than cap minimum for a few years.

You need to find those teams first and usually when you do they want a little something for taking that player off your hands.

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#125 Eddie Shore
May 26 2010, 04:15PM
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I wish we had a guy like Bam Bam Barnaby. He was my favourite back when he was with Buffalo.

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#126 Let's Rebuild
May 26 2010, 04:21PM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

I'm pretty sure we could add something to sweeten the pot.

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#127 Mike Krushelnyski
May 26 2010, 04:21PM
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Travis Dakin wrote:

I said this in another thread and I will say it again...

NONE OF YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT EITHER PLAYER TO HAVE A VALID OPINION*

*SMASH!!!!!!!!

I'll admit, I don't know anything about Seguin. I do know that no one had ever won two Memorial Cup MVPs before Hall just did it, and that's enough to put him over the top in my books.

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#128 swany
May 26 2010, 04:22PM
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Jaime wrote:

Because that central scouting list is compiled by 9 men. If one of those guys had preferred Hall instead of Seguin, which was the case in the midterm rankings, Hall would be number 1. Central Scouting also has Jeff Skinner ranked 34th overall among North American skaters, so you can get an idea for how much they really know about who's going where in the draft.

Well all the scouts rated Turris ahead of Kane last time I checked Turris hasn't played to much in the NHL and Kane is becomming a superstar, and RB Gregor or who ever don't give me that Turris played in the BCHL scouts are scouts they ranked Turris ahead of Kane BECAUSE of him beeing a centre with a right shot so for me I'll take a guy that has THREE great years in Jr. NOT one a guy that has won 2 MVP awards not none a guy that was on the WJHC team not a guy that got cut, a guy that flat out goes hard a winner and a guy that has played alot of centre until THIS YEAR. so who cares if he plays centre and is left handed. Seguin could be a great player, based on what ONE great year in Jr, that's it he hasn't done anything else but put up great #'s in one year.

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#129 Oil_Loc8or
May 26 2010, 04:23PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

Since when have the Oilers came out and said they were taking Sequin ? Just cause Brownlee and Gregor write on the nation that they feel the Oilers will take " Right handed center " doesn't mean anything. Robin and Jason write what they read from interviews etc and there opinion nothing more. I think Robin even wrote a comment about that. The Oilers aren't going to let anyone know who they are picking especially any guys from the media.

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#130 swany
May 26 2010, 04:26PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

you mean the same team that made the finals AND won the cup in consecutive years?

~yah, dont want to copy them at all~

That's right and when the went to the finals 2 straight years they had WINGERS to help those centre's, this year they didn't and got knocked tfo.

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#131 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 04:29PM
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@Oil_Loc8or

Thats what I 'm saying... the Oilers SHOULD lead on that they are taking Hall even if they were leaning towards Seguin. THe world knows Boston wants Hall so at least by leading everyone to believe The Oil are drafting Hall, you will know that you get the best possible offer from Boston for the #1 pick.

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#132 JaroslavPouzar
May 26 2010, 04:30PM
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@swany

yup.. Wingers need Centers and Centers need Wingers, and the Oilers need BOTH. Take the BEST PLAYER.

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#133 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 04:33PM
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@swany

What's your point about scouts? They should be ignored because you have an example where they were wrong?

As for the one great year, that can be turned around. Seguin has played one less year in Junior than Hall but still tied him in points on a sub-par team. The Spitfires are loaded. A fire hydrant could have scored 20 goals. (That's an old Oiler quote that I can't remember who to attribute it to.)

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#134 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 04:38PM
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swany wrote:

Well all the scouts rated Turris ahead of Kane last time I checked Turris hasn't played to much in the NHL and Kane is becomming a superstar, and RB Gregor or who ever don't give me that Turris played in the BCHL scouts are scouts they ranked Turris ahead of Kane BECAUSE of him beeing a centre with a right shot so for me I'll take a guy that has THREE great years in Jr. NOT one a guy that has won 2 MVP awards not none a guy that was on the WJHC team not a guy that got cut, a guy that flat out goes hard a winner and a guy that has played alot of centre until THIS YEAR. so who cares if he plays centre and is left handed. Seguin could be a great player, based on what ONE great year in Jr, that's it he hasn't done anything else but put up great #'s in one year.

So following your logic: Because of one year that the player CSS had number 2 was better than number 1, teams should always pick the player that CSS has ranked #2?

The Kane/Turris thing is so tired. Nothing here is an aples to apples comparison, so lets trust the guys that make careers watching and evaluating these guys.

Womever the Oilers pick is going to be a great player for the team.

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#135 Oil_Loc8or
May 26 2010, 04:40PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

Boston needs a winger but has 2 first round picks, they should be able to get one with those picks or trades. I don't think they aren't willing to take Seguin if the Oilers take Hall. Oilers aren't going to be able to force Bostons decision. I'd like Hall also but don't see any reason why Seguin won't be a great Oiler.

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#136 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 04:41PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

You guys really think that wingers and centers are equal value on a team? You need both, but there isn't a GM in any league that wouldn't take a top tier center over a winger if he had an equal need.

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#137 Oil_Loc8or
May 26 2010, 04:43PM
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@Senator Theo

That's the only issue I have with the whole debate. 'Trust the guys that make careers watching and evaluating ", unless your not talking about the Oilers scouting staff.

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#138 swany
May 26 2010, 04:45PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

What's your point about scouts? They should be ignored because you have an example where they were wrong?

As for the one great year, that can be turned around. Seguin has played one less year in Junior than Hall but still tied him in points on a sub-par team. The Spitfires are loaded. A fire hydrant could have scored 20 goals. (That's an old Oiler quote that I can't remember who to attribute it to.)

The quote was from Sather right after he traded a guy that scored 40 goals on Gretzky's wing Sather was getting abused by the media and said "I could put a fire hydent on Gretzky's wing and it would score 20 goals" my point about Seguin and one great year is the truth yes he's played one less year is there anything saying he would get those points again or more, as for Hall and a great team that also can be turned around, like not enough puck to go around Hall got those points dispite beeing on a great team, when your team isn't as good the other players LOOK for that go to guy ie Seguin on the Spitefires there were alot of good players maybe Hall got less points because he wasn't NEEDED as much as Seguin was. Penner is a good example this year Penner was relied on to cary the load and scored the most points in his career.

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#139 swany
May 26 2010, 04:47PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

You guys really think that wingers and centers are equal value on a team? You need both, but there isn't a GM in any league that wouldn't take a top tier center over a winger if he had an equal need.

I don't know wasn't OV and Malkin in the same draft one's a winger ones a centre and the winger was picked first, Malkin top 3 centre in the NHL

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#140 Matt Henderson
May 26 2010, 04:47PM
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@swany

So you think that if Hemsky had played with Penner all year long, Penner would have scored less?

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#141 Matt Henderson
May 26 2010, 04:48PM
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swany wrote:

I don't know wasn't OV and Malkin in the same draft one's a winger ones a centre and the winger was picked first, Malkin top 3 centre in the NHL

But NOBODY suggested the two were equal in any way in that draft. It was Ovechkin all the way. It's not the same for Hall.

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#142 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 04:50PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

Hall played C his whole life until thiys year. Stop acting as though Hall plays LW or nothing at all. Name one franchise who has 3 ELITE Centers who lost to Montreal these playoffs. Hey, i agree with the value of a top tier Centerman... and I would take Toews over Kane all day long... but we don t know who either player will turn out to be and I am simply of the opinion that Hall is more proven and less of a gamble... face it EVERY player ever drafted is a gamble until you look back on their career 20 years after to see what they have accomplished...

Missed this the first time. Are you referring to the 3 ELITE Centers franchise that won the Stanley Cup last year and went to the finals the year before that. Thanks for making my point. They did it without a legitimate top tier winger on the team.

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#143 swany
May 26 2010, 04:51PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

So you think that if Hemsky had played with Penner all year long, Penner would have scored less?

NO I'm not saying that but when your team relies on you and you alone you get more chances to score.

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#144 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 04:53PM
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swany wrote:

The quote was from Sather right after he traded a guy that scored 40 goals on Gretzky's wing Sather was getting abused by the media and said "I could put a fire hydent on Gretzky's wing and it would score 20 goals" my point about Seguin and one great year is the truth yes he's played one less year is there anything saying he would get those points again or more, as for Hall and a great team that also can be turned around, like not enough puck to go around Hall got those points dispite beeing on a great team, when your team isn't as good the other players LOOK for that go to guy ie Seguin on the Spitefires there were alot of good players maybe Hall got less points because he wasn't NEEDED as much as Seguin was. Penner is a good example this year Penner was relied on to cary the load and scored the most points in his career.

Whoa - you kind of madjam'd that one up a bit. Where'd the sentences go?

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#145 swany
May 26 2010, 04:53PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

Missed this the first time. Are you referring to the 3 ELITE Centers franchise that won the Stanley Cup last year and went to the finals the year before that. Thanks for making my point. They did it without a legitimate top tier winger on the team.

Your right Hossa isn't that good.

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#146 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 04:55PM
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swany wrote:

I don't know wasn't OV and Malkin in the same draft one's a winger ones a centre and the winger was picked first, Malkin top 3 centre in the NHL

Ovechkin is an exception. He's a unique talent that couldn't be passed up. On the other hand, Malkin has a Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe trophy at this point in his career.

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#147 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 04:55PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

That's the only issue I have with the whole debate. 'Trust the guys that make careers watching and evaluating ", unless your not talking about the Oilers scouting staff.

I am talking about the Oilers' scouting staff - they have had a pretty good record since MacGregor took over in 2007.

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#148 Oil_Loc8or
May 26 2010, 04:56PM
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In a team sport I think they don't rely on just one guy.

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#149 Robin Brownlee
May 26 2010, 04:57PM
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@Oil_Loc8or

We write what we read from interviews? You're aware we actually DO the interviews, that we talk to people involved in the process, right?

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#150 Crackenbury
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swany wrote:

Your right Hossa isn't that good.

Yeah his 2 goals this year has been a real difference maker. The coaches can buck him up all they want, he wasn't signed to be a defensive specialist that scores 2 goals in the playoffs. Not getting Hossa was one of the best moves the Oilers didn't make. His nearly point per game regular season stats drop almost in half in the playoffs.

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