MacGregor spills the beans: Hall will go first!

Robin Brownlee
May 25 2010 11:31PM

Windsor Spitfires Taylor Hall hoists the Memorial Cup after defeating the Brandon Wheat Kings in Brandon

Edmonton Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor came out and said it Tuesday night -- the Oilers will take Windsor Spitfires star and two-time Memorial Cup winner and MVP Taylor Hall first. Then, they'll take Tyler Seguin.

Now that I've got your attention, I'm talking, of course, about the order of interviews being conducted by an Edmonton contingent that includes MacGregor, GM Steve Tambellini, president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe and OHL scouts Kent Hawley and Brad Davis at the NHL Combine in Toronto.

Having interviewed 22 players Tuesday, the Oilers will be sitting down with Hall on Wednesday for a 20-minute session just before the lunch hour. They will interview Seguin Thursday.

So, does who goes first in the poke-and-prod sessions between Hall and Seguin telegraph who goes first on draft day in Los Angeles, where the Oilers have first pick? MacGregor, surprising nobody, isn't saying.

MacGregor's silence aside, don't bet on it.

TALK IS CHEAP

While some people insist player interviews at the combine carry a lot of weight in the decision-making process, and that can be the case if a prospect absolutely soils the sheets in the gab session -- or shows up for the draft with two black eyes like brawler Link Gaetz did back in 1988  -- MacGregor is downplaying the interview.

"It's a minor part of it all," MacGregor said from Toronto after wrapping up interviews on Tuesday. "It's about getting to know them a bit more. We've already had discussions with these kids.

"Steve (Tambellini) wants to make sure we go through the process. Each and every day you look at it and you evaluate it. Maybe you can pick up something you missed."

Realistically, and even if MacGregor won't say it, neither Hall nor Seguin are going to change anybody's mind with what they say in these sessions. MacGregor, himself, has already had two face-to-face talks with Hall and Seguin, as have other members of the Oilers contingent.

Nobody's going to come up with a psyche-probing question that's going to tip the scales, are they? In the case of Hall and Seguin, no.

CAN'T MISS?

While MacGregor declined an invitation to slip me his list on the down-low, I'm still of the mind the Oilers will take Seguin, even with Hall's MVP performance for Windsor at the MC in Brandon.

With the majority of Oilers fans clamouring for Hall in the wake of his playoff performance, many suggesting there's no good reason to take Seguin first overall -- really? -- the call will come down to MacGregor.

One thing perhaps lost in the debate about the dynamic Hall and the talented Seguin, the right-handed centre from the Plymouth Whalers, is that maybe there is no bad pick from this tandem.

"I don't think there's a miss here," MacGregor said. "We've seen both these players a lot and both of them are special for different reasons. Having said that, you want to get the best guy."

Think Seguin. Just saying...

DAMAGED GOODS

I was chatting with Bob Stauffer today and we got around to talking about former Oiler Eric Brewer, and whether it would make sense for Tambellini to pursue him, maybe in a package with tough guy D.J. King.

The Oilers, of course, are thin on the back end beyond Ryan Whitney, Tom Gilbert and Ladislav Smid, if you assume Sheldon Souray is history, which he is. Likewise in the tough guy department, considering the Oilers will likely ice a small and young line-up and are weaklings beyond willing Zack Stortini.

We got to plugging names into scenarios, and Brewer and King came up in the conversation. With Brewer, it's because the Blues might be looking to move him and his $4.25 million cap hit because they have a young, loaded defence that includes Erik Johnson, veteran Barret Jackman and Roman Polak, to name just three, vying for minutes.

King, of course, is an up-and-coming ruffian who can play a little, and he's an RFA who made $550,000 this season. He'll be cheap and he'd fit better into Pat Quinn's "has to be able to play" edict than a re-cycled cop like Georges Laraque or Derek Boogaard.

Brewer, now 31, is worth  his cap hit when healthy, but that's a big "if" when you consider shoulder surgery and back problems have limited him to 87 games the past two seasons.

Even if the Blues would take a Patrick O'Sullivan or Robert Nilsson in a swap, I'd pass on Brewer because of his recent medical history. It makes no sense to spend north of $4 million on a guy who might play fewer than 60 games. The Oilers, for the time being, already have that in Souray.

As for King, 26, I'd make a phone call on him, but the first questions I'd ask are about the right hand injuries (he needed surgery) and shoulder problems he's had. There's some risk with him, too, but it's a $600,000 or $700,000 gamble, not a $4.25-million roll of the dice.

THIS AND THAT

-- I don't get it when some fans espouse the need for the Oilers to acquire an agitator -- fill in the name of your favourite loudmouthed, face-washer-cheapshot-artist here.

If you're talking about adding hard-nosed players who make a team more difficult to play against -- a Steve Ott or a Daniel Carcillo -- fine. If you're talking about the type of players who wag their gums or do much of their handiwork after the whistle, that makes no sense.

The Oilers don't have enough toughness in their line-up to take care of the small, soft players they already have. So how is it they would benefit from bringing in a sh*t-disturber to start stuff they can't finish?

-- MacGregor and the rest of he Oilers staff will take a backseat when prospects go through their fitness testing, starting Friday.

The Oilers contingent will leave it to fitness consultant Simon Bennett to decipher results from the testing sessions.

-- Mark Pysyk of the Edmonton Oil Kings, Nino Niederreiter of the Portland Winter Hawks and Vladimir Tarasenko of Novosibirsk (Russia) are among the top prospects interviewed by the Oilers already.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#1 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 03:11PM
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Carry wrote:

Brownlee: Ok, well then by that logic why didn't you also say that Taylor Hall was a "Left-shot winger"? Seems a little odd is all.

Everybody that has any clue about these guys already knows what position they play and if they are a left or right shot. Therefore there was no reason to even mention that. Plus, It was already mentioned that the Oiler's are not basing their pick on need but rather BPA, so what shot and if they are a winger/defenseman/center is a moot point.

Hall will be an Oiler on the 25th.

And if you had a clue you would know that the Oilers are short on legit right-handed centres. Therefore, mentioning that he is a right handed centre matters to a lot of people. Like me. You're nit picking like a little bitch. Stop it.

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#3 Archaeologuy
May 26 2010, 02:43PM
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JaroslavPouzar wrote:

Trust their judgement?? This is a team that has drafted Steve Kelly, and Jason Bonsignore... "Trust" hasn't exactly been earned in the drafting department. But i do agrre that they should do their research, but what POSSIBLE argument does the Seguin lovers out there have that the Oil should take him over Hall? not much.

Snap out of it, man! This isnt your greasy older cousin's Oilers. Ace of Base cant be heard on the radio and Barry Fraser isnt allowed near a hockey player who cant legally rent a car. Those sh*tty drafting Oilers are gone the way of Kurt Cobain and Seinfeld.

Bullet Points why Seguin over Hall

1)He scored just as many points without the benefit of playing on an offensively gifted team.

2)He scored more goals

3)He scored almost twice as many even strength goals

4)He is widely considered a better playmaker on top of the fact he scored more goals than Hall

5)He is better defensively

6)He won OHL player of the year (as voted by the coaches I think)

7)He won Prospect of the year for the entire CHL, not Hall

8)He is a Centre whose coach actually wants to play at Centre

9)He doesnt dream specifically of playing for the team that selects directly after the Oilers

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#4 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 26 2010, 06:56AM
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Adam D wrote:

Daniel Carcillo? Really?

I do tend to like having some semblance of pride in my team.

have you watched this team the last 3 years?

only pride anywhere near the oilers lately has been that guy dancing in the tight pink pants and furry top by the gretzky statue..

rumour has is, pink pants boy is an ogden "brother"

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#5 Ogden Bothered
May 26 2010, 10:22AM
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madjam wrote:

Censorship ? Who made you God ?

Madjam, that is probably the most unintentionally funny thing I have read in weeks. I'm gonna start throwing out the arbitrary "who made you god" saying all the time now:

"Kraft Dinner on a Wednesday? Who made you God?"

"Facebook invite to join Farmville? Who made you God?"

"Cancelled the U-God concert? Who made you God?"

Or maybe it was an actualy question of flattery towards Brownlee:

"Who made you, God?"

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#6 Archaeologuy
May 26 2010, 10:32AM
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@Ogden Bothered

"Who made you, God?" is hands down my favourite. Well played.

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#7 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 12:27PM
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Mr Dressup wrote:

I read an article by a Bruins fan making a great case for Seguin: 1. The next best player on his team had 60pts. Sounds like a safe pick 2. He has yet to fill out, whereas Hall has already. He could get better/bigger. 3. He quoted someone saying Seguin skates better than Toews/Yzerman. Not bad. 4. Someone he quoted said the guy compares to Datsyuk, but a better skater.

I am this close to switching sides right now.

Switching sides? Are you saying you like Tyler, or you "like" like Tyler?

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#8 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 26 2010, 08:09PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Then we'd have nothing to debate all summer...

this isnt a debate. it is a bunch of people that think they have a clue when they really dont, talking about something they have no idea on (myself included), or control over.

it is like 3 96 year old men arguing about who s*** themselves first. In the end, it doesnt matter, cause they will s*** themselves anyways.

its a great way to pass the time, thats about it.. the draft will happen, and the oilers will pick who they think is the best fit, and the no nothing knuckleheads will pick it apart for the next 20 years.

wash, rinse, repeat

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#9 Vince
May 26 2010, 09:30AM
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Pass on Brewer. In fact, pass on anyone who's injury prone for the time being. This team is never going to get over their injury woes as long as they continue to bring in injury prone players like Souray, Pitkanen, Visnovsky, etc.

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#10 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 09:33AM
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madjam wrote:

Any day now i expect to see or hear Oilers make a deal that addresses upsizing and upgrades over the downsizing and downgrading of on ice product ! If Souray must go then how about Alzner and Laich from Capitals ,or Subban and Laperrier from Habs ? A defenceman and size upgrade at forward . I look at our seemingly good youngsters about to crack lineup and figure we can be a very good club come next season . My optimism changes when i reconsider whom management and coaching are however . M.I.A. ( missing in action) again this season is management team to make good things happen in rapid succession . Last year we were only two bodies away from being a strong contender , and this season once again we look to management to address even more holes they created to fill adequately . To date, once again, i see nothing being done ; and i have grave doubts this managerial team will fill old or new voids with upgrades ! Present management is not very adept at making deals or even keeping talent here . You can't build a contender that way . I see another one got by Katz in Yzerman . I still think we can turn the tide quickly as early as next season, but not with present managerial staff and coaching . Our 30th place finish is evidence our weakest point is management and coaching . The resultant on ice product is the result/reflection of management and coaching more than just the players ! Show me some signs that are positively going to address their multiple player problems and not scare more away . Big signings in Cornet and i forget whom else? Is that it for this season now i ask ? Whoopty ding dong . I see we are rated deadlast in efficiency. Now that comes as no surprise . This club should be going for Cup next season with some of the talent we have coming in and presently still in lineup - not destroying all the base and making for a long road back of 3-5 years .

~ I was a little lost on all of this, until I re-read it and saw you clarified that M.I.A. means missing in action. ~

FYI (for your information), that's one that most people will understand without having to use the acronym AND spell out each word. ;)

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#11 Crackenbury
May 26 2010, 10:36AM
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@swany

I read that quote from the Spitfires coach. It didn't make a lot of sense to me. If you've got speed, are a natural center and one of the best players in the game, why aren't you playing center? If he didn't play center through his junior career, there's no way he's switching back now. There has to be a better explanation for his move to wing and I'm guessing his coach just didn't want to point out a weakness at that position prior to draft day.

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#14 Gerald R. Ford
May 26 2010, 12:35PM
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You got greedy with the exclamation point, Robin. Nice Pavlovian experiment though. heh

Both these kids are great, and I'll be happy with either one of them. I just hope that the 50% of The Nation that gets its heart broken on Draft Day can get over it and embrace whomever the selection is. Let's make him feel welcome and wanted, and then move forward. Cuz, either way, we're instantly better.

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#15 Chaz
May 26 2010, 01:20PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

The headline was cheap, cheesy and misleading, but I get a nickel a hit and so far I've made $4.25 from this piece, so I'll count my dough and deal with the shame.

Give me 2 cents a hit and I'll sit here all day refreshing Oilers Nation on my computer.

* Realizes he already does this for free.

"Hello, my name is Chaz, and I'm an Oilers Nation-aholic...."

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#16 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 02:25PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

The Oilers have said they are going to try and draft the BPA - if they determine that happens to be Seguin, what's wrong with that?

To say there "shouldn't even be a debate", seems rather shortsighted, IMO. I'm glad they're spending so much time looking a this and weighing out who they think is better. This is a very important pick for the franchise and I'm glad they're doing their research.

The Oilers and the scouts have seen each player play and interviewed them many times, so I'll trust their judgement over a fan that's got caught up the Memorial Cup excitement.

Just be patient, and whomever the Oilers take, it's going to be a big upgrade over what we had before the draft.

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#17 Archaeologuy
May 26 2010, 03:01PM
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@JaroslavPouzar

I've heard all the rebuttals, I just dont think it's right to say there isnt an argument for the kid going #1. Clearly there is.

And if you want to discount what Seguin did because he played 6 more games then I want to discount what Hall did in the Memorial Cup because Seguin didnt have the chance to play.

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#18 Senator Theo
May 26 2010, 03:39PM
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BUCK75 wrote:

Props.

Enough, if people care both of them are interviewed on the oilers website. Draw your own conclusions. I posted the links, but they must have been "madjammed".

Did somebody "andrew" up your links?

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#19 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 03:40PM
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I said this in another thread and I will say it again...

NONE OF YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT EITHER PLAYER TO HAVE A VALID OPINION*

*SMASH!!!!!!!!

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#20 Ender
May 26 2010, 03:44PM
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@Archaeologuy

For me, part of Seguin's appeal is also the Hall-Lindros comparison. Scares the heck out of me, whether it has any basis in reality or not. I've see enough concussions on the Oilers lately to last a lifetime.

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#21 Archaeologuy
May 26 2010, 05:25PM
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swany wrote:

This is what I'm getting at why isn't it the same for Hall, what are the scouts basing Seguins status on 1 great year of Jr compared to 3. One has 2 MVP's One was a major player for team Canada. I just thing Seguin is a gamble compared to what Hall has done. My question is has Seguin SHOWN enough to be ranked with Hall, I don't doubt that he MIGHT become a great player but Hall has shown alot more IMO.

I have already listed at least 8 good reasons why Seguin can be seen as better in the eyes of scouts. BUT, I'm NOT a scout, so I cant really answer why Hall isnt considered the hands down number 1 prospect (an honour earned by Seguin just the other day).

Why wasnt I considered the unquestioned number 1 pick in MY draft year? Why doesnt everyone like Dill Pickles? I just dont have answers for these questions. All I know is that neither myself, Taylor Hall, nor Dill Pickles are unquestionably better than their peers.

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#22 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 09:39PM
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Jasmine wrote:

No they're not. Gagner, Brule and MAP are all right-handed centres. O'Marra is a right-handed-centre. So is Eberle. I don't see that as a shortage on right-handed centre. I'm getting fed up with this pushing of Seguin just because he's a "right-handed centre". The Oilers need Hall more than they need Seguin.

So which one of Brule (not a centre), MAP (Barely able to keep a roster spot), O'Marra (WTF!!?!?!?) or Eberle (a right winger) do you consider to be a legit Right-handed centre (One who is defensively responsible and can contribute offensively) for the team going forward?

I'm getting fed up this pushing of Seguin just because he's a "right-handed centre". The Oilers need Hall more than they need Seguin.

I'm getting fed up with this pushing of absolutes like "The Oilers NEED Hall more than they NEED Seguin" coming out of the mouths of people like you who have next to ZERO clue when it comes to what either of these two guys offer, outside of watching a few youtube videos and regurgitating some stats they read over at Lowetide.

My statement was in regards to a commenter nitpicking Brownlee for having the audacity to mention that Seguin is a RH centre. But thank for your contribution.

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#23 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 09:49PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Brule is a centre and he's a "right-handed centre".

I'm just getting fed up with the hype of Seguin. With all the Seguin hype, I see Schremp v. 2.0.

And you don't see Lindros v. 2.0 except a smaller and less dominating but just as likely to be creamed when you hear all the talk about Hall getting crushed "more than anyone I've seen" (from his own GM) ???

Bottom line is that Seguin is ranked number 1 for a reason. That reason is why most knowledgeable hockey people think the Oilers should take him. It's the same thing with Tavares and Duchene last year. Sure Tavares is pretty when he scores but Duchene is the better all around player.

We don't know about either one of these guys yet.

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#24 Travis Dakin
May 26 2010, 09:52PM
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THEBIGD wrote:

I can tell you what? If the Oilers don't take Taylor Hall I will burn my Oiler Jersey and never go to another Oiler game again ever.As he is by far the best player,and is ready to play in the N.H.L. this coming season. I am sick and tired of watching the Oilers Scouting Staff not picking the best player.This is there first time to get the first over all pick and it better be Taylor Hall not Tyler Seguin.Taylor has been the best player in JR and if you seen the goal he scored last Sunday at the Memorial Cup it looked like a goal by Wayne Gretzky.If you have not seen the goal look on You Tube.This kid is a goal scorer and he scores a lot.But his defenses game is there as well. He will be the next big Super Star in just a few short years.I hope to God MacGregor sees this too.If not he should be fired.Which I believe he should have been years ago.Why they keep him is beyond me.As he was done years ago.Please make the correct pick for once

WTF

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#25 madjam
May 27 2010, 08:10AM
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Stop Gap Management trend may be our biggest problem ,and may prevent Oilers from developing either Sequin or Hall . It might even prevent us from developing all the other young talent as well . You can't continue or hope to develop young talent with a revolving door of disgruntled usefull veterans wanting out of this organization .

Continuing to fill holes created by good NHL players with downgrades ( stop gap measurements ) has been a nasty trend since the Pronger days . It doesn't work . We have to make trades , etc. that give us an upgrade somewhere along the line . The revolving door of veterans who want out of this organization is serious. Oilers are proof these less than adequate band aid solutions do not work and snowball into even more problems .

Until the Oilers learn the stop gap method does not work , then we may never get other players to come here, or even keep the ones we currently require.

The tools players require to progress and be happy to play and stay here will change when the Oilers are finished filling voids with less than adequate fill ins ! Creating more problems and not filling the old voids has driven us into last place deservedly so . This trend has got to end if we hope to develop and keep our young talent.

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#26 Eddie Shore
May 27 2010, 08:24AM
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madjam wrote:

Stop Gap Management trend may be our biggest problem ,and may prevent Oilers from developing either Sequin or Hall . It might even prevent us from developing all the other young talent as well . You can't continue or hope to develop young talent with a revolving door of disgruntled usefull veterans wanting out of this organization .

Continuing to fill holes created by good NHL players with downgrades ( stop gap measurements ) has been a nasty trend since the Pronger days . It doesn't work . We have to make trades , etc. that give us an upgrade somewhere along the line . The revolving door of veterans who want out of this organization is serious. Oilers are proof these less than adequate band aid solutions do not work and snowball into even more problems .

Until the Oilers learn the stop gap method does not work , then we may never get other players to come here, or even keep the ones we currently require.

The tools players require to progress and be happy to play and stay here will change when the Oilers are finished filling voids with less than adequate fill ins ! Creating more problems and not filling the old voids has driven us into last place deservedly so . This trend has got to end if we hope to develop and keep our young talent.

Oh. My. God. The only thing left to master is the use of punctuation.

What has got you on this "stop-gap" train this morning?

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#27 The Fish
May 27 2010, 08:54AM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

Dude, stop posting and making sense... your making my finger sore with all the props im giving you.

Way too much ego stroking going on in here. Boring.

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#28 Travis Dakin
May 27 2010, 09:31AM
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Ball Buster wrote:

Obvious post of the day: On the topic of "Right-handed centre" . . .

I'm pretty sure the term is right shooting centre.

If you're right-handed, you shoot left and there are hundreds of centremen like that.

Seguin is a right-shooting centre, i.e., rare in the NHL.

Back to the tired Hall/Seguin topic, can't remember what post number it was but "Crash" posted the trade idea of Souray, Cogliano etc. to Boston for the Bruins' 1st pick.

As food for thought, here is what went down in 1999 when Burke snagged #2 and #3 (borrowed from HF Boards):

1999-Jun-26 1st Round Draft pick traded from Chicago Blackhawks to Vancouver Canucks for Bryan McCabe and conditional draft pick

1999-Jun-26 1st Round Draft pick traded from Tampa Bay Lightning to Vancouver Canucks for round 1 pick in the 1999 draft , round 3 pick in the 1999 draft and round 3 pick in the 1999 draft

1999-Jun-26 1st Round Draft pick traded from Atlanta Thrashers with round 3 pick in the 2000 draft to Vancouver Canucks for round 1 pick in the 1999 draft

I'm right-handed (as in I write with my right) and I shoot right-handed and golf right-handed and swing a bat right-handed.

And there are 700 players in the NHL. I wouldn't say "hundreds" of them are Right-handed centres who shoot left.

if you want to nitpick...

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#29 Adam D
May 25 2010, 11:46PM
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Daniel Carcillo? Really?

I do tend to like having some semblance of pride in my team.

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#30 Racki
May 26 2010, 12:00AM
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I feel burned, much like that time someone at work sent me a fake news e-mail from the Edmonton Oilers saying that Pronger was traded back to Edmonton.

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#31 Steve-N
May 26 2010, 12:18AM
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I think MacGregor is leaning Hall from that interview. Maybe I'm reading into things, but he always said Taylor Hall's name first and Tyler Seguin second when talking about them...Subliminally maybe he's thinking Hall first...

Plus did your hear him defend Hall's critics about his head down? Sounded pretty convincing to me

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#32 Tha Legion
May 26 2010, 12:29AM
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@Steve I think it also has to do with it's always been called the Taylor/Tyler Debate. Like you wouldn't call Betty and Veronica Veronica and Betty, think there was an issue about that.

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#33 Jamie B.
May 26 2010, 12:53AM
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I'm just glad the draft is in June. We're already this goofy about Taylor vs. Tyler, can you imagine if it was allowed to combine with the bored-out-of-our-minds-nothing's-happening-while-waiting-for-the-season-to-start days of August?!

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#34 Fingort
May 26 2010, 01:36AM
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You really got my hopes up there, Robin. That's dirty pool, man.

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#35 Ken
May 26 2010, 02:02AM
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So, how is it that we get both first picks?

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#36 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
May 26 2010, 03:43AM
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That's flagrant false advertising Robin. I actually had a smile on my face as I clicked on your link. Bastard.

That being said, another great article.

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#37 RossCreekNation
May 26 2010, 06:18AM
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Funny, Robin. LOLZ.

About 6 weeks back, I mentioned a Souray for Brewer swap thinking cap hits are similar and both teams may be looking to move their player. I realize Brewer doesn't bring the booming shot (or boners across the Nation) that Souray does, but both are injury prone $4.25M d-men - one headache for another?

Say you can get Brewer & King for Souray & Jacques... you do it? IIRC, Brewer obly has 1 year left compared to Souray's 2...

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#38 hamzinoilcntry
May 26 2010, 06:57AM
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We need to focus on working over Chiarelli and the Boston Bruins to do whatever possible and send whomever possible to snag both of these players. I know it's unrealistic but a guy can sure dream!

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20 minute interviews? What is this KFC?

Robin

Who does Dallas have to back up Ott? How about Philly for Carcillo? Cooke played in Pittsburgh while Godard was no where to be found.

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#40 Reagan
May 26 2010, 08:00AM
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Listening Bob's show yesterday, some Bruin fan clammed in to say that the Oilers were in talk with the Bruins about picking 2ND overall and the Bruins second round pick + Blake Wheeler. The Oilers would have to give up the 1st overall selection and their second round pick. No offence but why are these useless rumors starting already? It is beyond me to this point to start projecting this form of lunacy too soon. I can see the day of the draft about mulling this form of deal over in fact if the Oilers are to take Seguin. Then it could possible benefit them.

However I do have a feeling the Oilers may trade a couple later round picks and some dead cargo for a second first round pick! That is mere speculation but not a rumor.

For the record, I would love to see a guy like Carcillo, or Cooke play here. Crap Vancouver has two of these wieners and they do quite well against the Oilers!

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#41 Robin Brownlee
May 26 2010, 08:03AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

20 minute interviews? What is this KFC?

Robin

Who does Dallas have to back up Ott? How about Philly for Carcillo? Cooke played in Pittsburgh while Godard was no where to be found.

Read it again. Ott and Carcillo fight their own battles. They don't just yap and agitate and expect somebody else to clean up the mess like many players labelled as agitators do. That aside, you might want to look closer at the line-ups both these players play on. You think Krys Barch and Mark Fistric in Dallas are a walk in the park? Philly has Aaron Asham, Ian Laperriere and and Scott Hartnell.

What about Cooke? He cheapshots guys and then turtles. "Here Zack, you take over because I just got tossed for elbowing Daniel Briere in the mouth and the Flyers are pissed . . .|

Yes, that would work.

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#42 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
May 26 2010, 08:03AM
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Damn it Brownlee! Get my hopes up just to crush them... it's going to be a long day. Great read though.

My first thought on the re-acquiring Brewer was why? But then I thought about it a little more and the only way I see that going through is if we can dish out more salary then we bring back. Say a Souray + Nilson duo for Brewer + King. I could see King and Stortini raising all kinds of havoc on the other teams soft 2nd liners. It would be grand.

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#43 BUCK75
May 26 2010, 08:09AM
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~I didn't mind Brewer here, after all he made the Olympic team that one season.~

I think Brewer is too similar to a Gilbert/Whitney to bring him here. The injuries don't help either after we have watched our dmen get hurt numerous time the last couple of years.

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@Robin Brownlee

Barch, Fistric etc... Are those guys really any tougher then Stortini, Jacques etc...?

My other point I'd add is I don't just want to go out and get one guy that plays tough this summer. Ideally we are getting a couple guys up front and at least one more on the backend.

I read your post again. So who was talked about yesterday that made you talk about not getting an agitator that doesn't back himself up? I thought we were talking about guys like Ott and Carcillo yesterday.

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@BUCK75

I just can't see St.Louis trading their captain for junk.

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#46 smiliegirl15
May 26 2010, 08:23AM
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Ken wrote:

So, how is it that we get both first picks?

Seriously???

Dude you have to stop with the cheap stuff at 2am and reread the article.

Who lets these people in???

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#47 madjam
May 26 2010, 08:30AM
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Any day now i expect to see or hear Oilers make a deal that addresses upsizing and upgrades over the downsizing and downgrading of on ice product ! If Souray must go then how about Alzner and Laich from Capitals ,or Subban and Laperrier from Habs ? A defenceman and size upgrade at forward . I look at our seemingly good youngsters about to crack lineup and figure we can be a very good club come next season . My optimism changes when i reconsider whom management and coaching are however . M.I.A. ( missing in action) again this season is management team to make good things happen in rapid succession . Last year we were only two bodies away from being a strong contender , and this season once again we look to management to address even more holes they created to fill adequately . To date, once again, i see nothing being done ; and i have grave doubts this managerial team will fill old or new voids with upgrades ! Present management is not very adept at making deals or even keeping talent here . You can't build a contender that way . I see another one got by Katz in Yzerman . I still think we can turn the tide quickly as early as next season, but not with present managerial staff and coaching . Our 30th place finish is evidence our weakest point is management and coaching . The resultant on ice product is the result/reflection of management and coaching more than just the players ! Show me some signs that are positively going to address their multiple player problems and not scare more away . Big signings in Cornet and i forget whom else? Is that it for this season now i ask ? Whoopty ding dong . I see we are rated deadlast in efficiency. Now that comes as no surprise . This club should be going for Cup next season with some of the talent we have coming in and presently still in lineup - not destroying all the base and making for a long road back of 3-5 years .

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#48 Wanye
May 26 2010, 08:34AM
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This misleading headline forced me to call my roommate into the living room and say "LOOK! LOOK! BROWNLEE HAS THE SCOOP!"

Well played Sir.

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@madjam

I don't think Subban is leaving Montreal anytime soon. Especially given the talks that they may lose Markov next year.

As for Souray to the Caps. Caps aren't making any deals til after July 1st. Lots of talk they are going after Volchenkov, so I'm not sure they make a play for Souray.

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#50 Wanye
May 26 2010, 08:37AM
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"The Oilers don't have enough toughness in their line-up to take care of the small, soft players they already have. So how is it they would benefit from bring in a sh*t-disturber to start stuff they can't finish?"

Second well played. I'm glad I stayed up all night and was one of the first to read this.

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