Taylor & Tyler: Tambellini should pitch his brains out to Peter Chiarelli

Robin Brownlee
June 10 2010 09:44PM

TORONTO - APRIL 13: Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini awaits the announcement for the first overall pick during the NHL Draft Lottery Drawing at the TSN Studio April 13, 2010 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Photo by Abelimages / Getty Images for NHL)

It's not often a team with the second overall pick in the NHL Entry Draft has a reasonable chance to win now like the Boston Bruins do, and that's reason enough why Steve Tambellini should be all over Peter Chiarelli like a bad haircut.

But, thanks to Brian Burke and the Phil Kessel trade, the Bruins are a team that's already pretty good -- 91 points this season, 116 in 2008-09 and 94 in 2007-08 -- and a team that holds second pick in Los Angeles, right after the Oilers pick first (and take Tyler Seguin).

Given the make-up of the Bruins, who have a core of players entering or still in the prime of their careers, would Chiarelli be better off hanging on to his selection and taking Taylor Hall, as he has already suggested he might, or is it in his best interests to at least listen when Tambellini takes up residence in his ear?

If the conversation starts with Tambellini offering, say, Ales Hemsky and Gilbert Brule or Dustin Penner for his pick and a Seguin-Hall daily-double, is there reason to keep talking?

If I'm the GM of the Bruins, if I think my team might be a Stanley Cup contender with Hemsky and Penner, and if I'm willing to admit gainful employment is a consideration, the answer is yes.

Why wouldn't Chiarelli listen?

Here and now

Before you laugh off the possibility of Tambellini swinging a deal to land Seguin and Hall, ask yourself this: will the Bruins be a better team over the next two seasons with Hall in the line-up or with Hemsky and Penner? Yes? No? Not sure? If yes, might the Bruins be good enough before Hall turns 21 to win a Stanley Cup with Hemsky and Penner?

Before you trot out cliches about "mortgaging the future" and the like, remember, that kind of talk takes on a different tone if you're walking in Chiarelli's shoes, as opposed to spouting platitudes as a fan or writer.

Talk about the future is fine, but the future can be somewhat more immediate in a city like Beantown that hasn't sipped champagne from the Stanley Cup since 1972. Dale Tallon damn sure had a hand in building the Chicago Blackhawks, but he wasn't around to enjoy the parade.

Is it a longshot that Tambellini will be able to convince Chiarelli to part with this pick? Duh. Of course it is. Chiarelli will have a line up of eager suitors trying to separate him from a crack at Hall with attractive offers. Then, there's the optics of giving up a potential franchise player for a shot to win here and now -- with no guarantee it'll play out that way.

Of course, it's not nearly as hard a sell if the Bruins win something before Chiarelli starts losing bits and pieces of his roster, as is inevitable under a salary cap, and Hall becomes the stud people project him to be.

From the Oilers end of things, Tambellini won't get the answers to any of those questions unless he asks. He damn sure better -- and it should be Plan A before he settles on trying to squeeze something out of Chiarelli to lay-off Hall if he can't hit the home run.

What's to lose?

I've already written why I'd offer up Hemsky. I'm not sure he'll be here after his contract expires in two seasons, despite his candlelight dinner with owner Daryl Katz after the season ended. I'm not convinced Penner will re-sign in Edmonton, either.

So, I start this what-if scenario with them, but feel free to change or add names you think might make a deal possible. If that includes taking a hummer contract back, like that of Michael Ryder -- the Bruins already have over $46 million committed to salaries next season, so the cap is a consideration -- so be it. Tweak it however you like.

The point is, there shouldn't be anybody near untouchable on the Oilers roster, not after four straight years out of the playoffs. Tambellini isn't giving up the chance to win something in the next two or three years by parting with Hemsky, Penner, Brule or whoever.

But, if you add a combination of those names to Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Blake Wheeler, Milan Lucic, Zdeno Chara. Johnny Boychuk and Tuukka Rask, might that put the Bruins over the top?

If I'm Tambellini, I'm asking Chiarelli that question in Los Angeles, and I'm throwing offers at him in an attempt to get Seguin and Hall until the mini-bar is empty and he tells me to get the hell out of his room.

What's to lose?

Know your audience

There's some sharp fans out there, but there's a handful of dullards with slack jaws and walnut-sized brains in the mix who keep things interesting by providing laugh-out-loud material.

Every Sunday, Jim Matheson serves up one of the best reads anywhere with Hockey World in the Journal. Matheson, an Elmer Ferguson Award winner -- he's in the writer's wing of the Hockey Hall of Fame -- got people talking with his latest offering last weekend.

Among other things, Matheson asked if the Oilers might make a pitch for Chicago's Kris Versteeg with the 31st pick at the Entry Draft, if they might be interested in free agent defenceman John Scott and if San Jose might be interested in Sheldon Souray.

Matheson's what-ifs and speculation drew this response by somebody calling himself "Asher" over at HF Boards.

"The more I read these Matheson "speculations" the more he comes off sounding like Eklund. I've often thought a lot of Eklund rumours are created by him sitting down looking at rosters and saying things like, "Gee, Team A could really use a player like the one Team B has that might be available." And then he goes on to create a rumour. I know Matty was writing for Eklund's site a while back... maybe he picked up a few of Eklund's writing habits along the way."

Matty was writing for Eklund a while back? Uh, no. Never has. Never will. That's the wonderful thing about the interweb. Dolts can write stupid stuff that has no foundation in fact and people will read it because it's only a mouse click away, alongside legit offerings from journalists, fans and bloggers who aren't uttering nonsense and lies.

The right stuff

Hall certainly passed his drive-by to Edmonton today with flying colors, saying all the right things.

"I know how crazy this city is for hockey," Hall told reporters at Rexall Place. "I was having lunch at Joey’s and the chef came out and asked me to autograph his apron. People are recognizing me, already. I think it would be pretty cool to play here."

Part of the reason some people are pitching Seguin as a better fit for the Oilers is that he's a centre, while Hall has played primarily left wing while leading the Windsor Spitfires to two straight Memorial Cups.

"I’d be very comfortable playing centre," Hall said. "In Windsor we had a lot of true centres who were better there than on the wing, so I moved over.

"When we had injuries this year, I moved back, and I played half the year I was at centre. It’s still hockey, it’s about winning battles in the offensive zone."

Seguin will stop in Edmonton for a look-see next week.

Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.

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#151 Eric Johnson
June 11 2010, 04:53PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

What does Nash/Omark really get you on the open market? If it's just to be a throw in to dump salary I don't think it's worth it.

Our AHL team needs to be better, we've seemed to have issues developing talent or getting lucky with a prospect from the minors. I just don't think that changes until there is an environment that will make it easier on our prospects to develop.

I see what you mean. I personally would like to see the farm team improve. But realistically does Omark and Nash even have a future home in edmonton? The list of prospects ahead of them is lengthy and how long will they be willing to play in the AHL before bolting to Europe (especially in Omark's case)

I think If Omark shows he can be player at rookie camp we look at moving him (unless he's unreal and deserves a roster spot) to a team in need of offensive talent, in exchange for depth at D or a solid energy guy. That may involve taking salary back, but at the end of the day the Oilers would be a better team, with one less small offensive forward prospect.

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#152 Archaeologuy
June 11 2010, 04:57PM
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@Eric Johnson

I'm not even convinced Nash wants to be a hockey player, nevermind play in Edmonton.

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#153 Jackie Treehorn
June 11 2010, 05:00PM
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@Eric Johnson

Gonna be a great training camp, maybe the team sells tickets....hahaha

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#154 Eric Johnson
June 11 2010, 05:03PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I'm not even convinced Nash wants to be a hockey player, nevermind play in Edmonton.

~That to me sounds like an Oilers prospect!~

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#155 I tried it at home
June 11 2010, 05:04PM
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I agree with Robin's thought process on this one, and IF, I say again, IF Tambo pulls off the first AND second pick, I will be buying me some season tickies... As for Matheson in teh journal, considering the hockey world is his bread and butter, he deals with these guys on a first name basis, and he understands the icing rule, Im willing to admit he knows more about whats going on with the Oilers then me. Just saying.

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#156 Aleslav Smidsky
June 11 2010, 05:19PM
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@Robin Brownlee

The "TOPIC" is Taylor or Tyler.

1st for 2nd trade, never happened. Your Burke example at the bottom is weasel miracle work that happened once. Yes, today your talking assets. The same assets you always talk about, Hemsky and Penner. They are tradeable assets because their contracts expire in two years and they haven't told you they are going to re-sign here.

No, I haven't spent much time talking to NHL GMs. I know you have, props for that. These discussions you speak of are media reports, are they not? Pre and Post coverage? I don't believe you are actually involved.

The "DEADHORSE" is the Hemsky and Penner rumours. Poor carcass.

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#157 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
June 11 2010, 05:38PM
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Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

The "TOPIC" is Taylor or Tyler.

1st for 2nd trade, never happened. Your Burke example at the bottom is weasel miracle work that happened once. Yes, today your talking assets. The same assets you always talk about, Hemsky and Penner. They are tradeable assets because their contracts expire in two years and they haven't told you they are going to re-sign here.

No, I haven't spent much time talking to NHL GMs. I know you have, props for that. These discussions you speak of are media reports, are they not? Pre and Post coverage? I don't believe you are actually involved.

The "DEADHORSE" is the Hemsky and Penner rumours. Poor carcass.

Really? If you look at the top of the page you'll see that the topic isn't Taylor or Tyler, it's Taylor and Tyler you illiterate knob.

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#158 OILERSORDEATH
June 11 2010, 05:41PM
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When did Nash start acting like a little Bi$ch? Who the hell does that little prick think he is I mean he hasn't proven $hit yet. He needs to show up to TC show us what he can do then talk.

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#160 Aleslav Smidsky
June 11 2010, 05:47PM
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@OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM

What is a literate knob? Does it exist. is it you?

The topic I was writing about is the one I wrote about. The same one that has been discussed million times over and through since we found out the OIlers were picking first. The deadhouse has been along with it the longest.

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#161 Jackie Treehorn
June 11 2010, 05:47PM
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@Robin Brownlee

"Today I'm talking assets? And yesterday. And whenever I've raised the subject before. How else would Tambellini pry the No. 2 pick from Chiarelli? A reacharound?"

ROFL

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#162 Jackie Treehorn
June 11 2010, 05:51PM
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Kip, I'm really trying to understand what your saying in your above posts, but it don't make much sense. Please expand on what your point is.

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#163 madjam
June 11 2010, 05:58PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

You do know that Seguin had dinner with Tambellini a month ago, and so did Hall. It doesn't matter which one is first, because you can argue that being the 2nd of two allows you to leave the last impression.

It's a pretty general practice to interview your top choice first, to set a high standard by which subsequent people can be judged for the job . Being last you have even more that followed you to be judged by/upon . Hall passed with "flying colors " by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat . Can Seguin top Halls interview ?

Making your top candidate your first interview makes the interviewers job of hiring easier and makes good business sense . I'd feel a lot better being the first interview than one of the subsequent ones . Being last isn't all bad , but it's not as important or significant as being number one the majority of times .

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#164 Puritania
June 11 2010, 06:00PM
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Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

What is a literate knob? Does it exist. is it you?

The topic I was writing about is the one I wrote about. The same one that has been discussed million times over and through since we found out the OIlers were picking first. The deadhouse has been along with it the longest.

Re-read your post and you will find out what AN ILLITERATE knob is.

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#166 Puritania
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@Bottleofwater

Racki is a class act. The fact you would target him in a post tells me all I need to know about your character.

What is with all the hurtbags coming out of the woodwork in this topic? jeez.

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#167 Jason Gregor
June 11 2010, 07:44PM
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madjam wrote:

It's a pretty general practice to interview your top choice first, to set a high standard by which subsequent people can be judged for the job . Being last you have even more that followed you to be judged by/upon . Hall passed with "flying colors " by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat . Can Seguin top Halls interview ?

Making your top candidate your first interview makes the interviewers job of hiring easier and makes good business sense . I'd feel a lot better being the first interview than one of the subsequent ones . Being last isn't all bad , but it's not as important or significant as being number one the majority of times .

What accounts did he pass by flying colours?

Show me where you read this. You are assuming he did. There is no public record of what the Oilers actually asked him, and how he responded. Nor should there be.

As for Seguin topping Hall's interviews, what exactly is there to top. Both want to be #1. Both would be happy to play in Edmonton. Both want to win.

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#168 Eddie Shore
June 11 2010, 07:59PM
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madjam wrote:

It's a pretty general practice to interview your top choice first, to set a high standard by which subsequent people can be judged for the job . Being last you have even more that followed you to be judged by/upon . Hall passed with "flying colors " by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat . Can Seguin top Halls interview ?

Making your top candidate your first interview makes the interviewers job of hiring easier and makes good business sense . I'd feel a lot better being the first interview than one of the subsequent ones . Being last isn't all bad , but it's not as important or significant as being number one the majority of times .

Making the "easier" choice shouldn't have any weight when hiring or drafting for that matter. You don't honestly believe what you wrote in the above paragraph do you?

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#169 Vince
June 11 2010, 08:07PM
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The problem for me if I'm Chiarelli is that I have TO's pick next year too. So if I hold on to my top 2 pick this draft and next I might get my version of Kane/Toews...have them both start as rookies in 2011 and look to be a hardcore contender the last year of their enrty level year just like the Hawks did this year...basically ice a 7O or so million dollar team for 56 MIL and worry about the cap consequences later. Risky, but it worked this year.

Even with the whole qualifying offer debacle last summer the hawks would still be in the same position now if Tallon hadn;t made that error.

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#170 madjam
June 11 2010, 08:58PM
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Making the "easier" choice shouldn't have any weight when hiring or drafting for that matter. You don't honestly believe what you wrote in the above paragraph do you?

Yes i do . In the major corporations i was in throughout my working career that was the process you were taught to use if you were chosen to be on a selection committee . Same process was used in a second or third round of interviews as well . It worked well and made good sense . Sure helped cut down on wasted time and energy as well on those that had to do several interviews over a fairly long selective processes .

Of course i believe in what i wrote - it's sound business practice , and not just in my mind either .

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#171 Jamie
June 11 2010, 09:04PM
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If I am Tambellini, when Chiarelli finally tells me to bugger off and leave me alone I get on the phone to Scott Howson and target that #4 pick. Columbus definitely is in win now mode and it sounds like the pick is in play, and there is a trade history as well.

If you can get the #4, then you could try to use that to entice Chiarelli to drop down. If Boston is high on one of the defencemen in that next group and we have taken who they want out of Tyler/Taylor then they may be more likely want to deal. Would Riley Nash and a second work?

If Boston really wants to pick at #2 then we take a defenceman that fits in with our core.

Any thought Robin on what Columbus would be looking at and if we would have any parts that may fit?

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#172 danjo1
June 12 2010, 06:46AM
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@Robin Brownlee

~ Would that reacharound idea actually work? ~

I'm all for getting the second overall. If not, how about the 3rd or 4th? Fowler and Gudbranson seem like pretty solid picks as well.

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#173 Shaun Doe
June 12 2010, 08:28AM
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madjam wrote:

It's a pretty general practice to interview your top choice first, to set a high standard by which subsequent people can be judged for the job . Being last you have even more that followed you to be judged by/upon . Hall passed with "flying colors " by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat . Can Seguin top Halls interview ?

Making your top candidate your first interview makes the interviewers job of hiring easier and makes good business sense . I'd feel a lot better being the first interview than one of the subsequent ones . Being last isn't all bad , but it's not as important or significant as being number one the majority of times .

While I'm not 100% sold on the opinion in this post there is some merrit to it. People being people and innately flawed, there is a chance that those candidates interviewed first may have a slight advantage. I don't know how many times in my life I've made up my mind on something/someone I've encountered earlier since it was the first to leave an impression on me. In those situations if I've changed my oppinion its only because a later candidate seriously blew me away. I think thats just human nature to get worked up over something without fully exploring all your options first. Call it buyers remorse. Now, I imagine this will not be the case with the scouts, Tamballini et al. They make much more money than I do to make the RIGHT decisions and it would be a mistake to write everyone off after just one interview.

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#174 Butters
June 12 2010, 08:34AM
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I think they are going to have to trade Hemsky. So a pitch to Boston with Hemsky and Penner perhaps, would be a good idea. I believe Hemsky will leave after his contract. If I were Hemsky, getting paid less than Horcoff would really irritate me. And I am not convinced the Oilers will be able to offer Hemsky Horcoff money. Other frachises might not either, but either way, I think he is going to bolt.

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#175 RossCreekNation
June 12 2010, 09:28AM
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madjam wrote:

I see Nash, Souray and possibly our 31st pick being used to move up in the draft order . Others we have may not be that interesting to other clubs . I do not think Oilers seriously want to deal Hemsky , Penner and the likes if they can avoid it . I'd like to see Souray and Nash moving forward , but i don't think they want to . With the three i have mentioned , what might we expect to get going down the draft table ?

What might we get with a deal like i suggest with Howson , as an example ? More or less than just their first round pick ?

Nash, Souray & 31 should probably get you about... oh... say #38. Ya... you read that right.

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#176 RossCreekNation
June 12 2010, 09:37AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I'm hoping the ride isn't that bad. I think my ass is what worries me the most..ha

Clap pullups while doing KIP pullups are easier than straight dead hangs. Never tried those, but I'm guessing they would be hard.

Good on you for the bike ride. I did the Jasper-to-Banff ride about a dozen or so years ago. 3 days. Only hopped in the truck for a ride once (for maybe 10-15 km). It was difficult, yet gratifying. Sore butt & legs for a while. I can't imagine that trip now. 3 days? Okay, I'll just bike 10-15 km and ride in the truck the rest of the way, lol.

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#177 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 12 2010, 09:49AM
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Butters wrote:

I think they are going to have to trade Hemsky. So a pitch to Boston with Hemsky and Penner perhaps, would be a good idea. I believe Hemsky will leave after his contract. If I were Hemsky, getting paid less than Horcoff would really irritate me. And I am not convinced the Oilers will be able to offer Hemsky Horcoff money. Other frachises might not either, but either way, I think he is going to bolt.

You honestly don't think the Oilers (or someone else) would give Hemsky 5.5 million?

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#178 RossCreekNation
June 12 2010, 09:51AM
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BTW, Jim Matheson's Hockey World piece on Sunday's is must-read.

And both young goalies wil be at the draft party?

~Oh no, now they can't trade one~

Except that they would seemingly be much more likely to be moved on the Saturday than on the Friday. Oh... and they're (at this point) borderline NHL backups, so ah... who cares if you 'hurt their feelings' or 'embarass' them by dealing them.

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#179 madjam
June 12 2010, 10:19AM
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danjo1 wrote:

~ Would that reacharound idea actually work? ~

I'm all for getting the second overall. If not, how about the 3rd or 4th? Fowler and Gudbranson seem like pretty solid picks as well.

Being as we had worst defence in league last year , and prospect of getting a downgrade for Souray i'm all for Oilers addressing their defensive problems with draft picks . I'd prefer that over getting another forward to be honest .

I can see them going after a possible franchise player like Hall with first pick , but beyond that they have to start addressing the defensive problem as current personnel is far from being adequate !

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#180 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 10:31AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

BTW, Jim Matheson's Hockey World piece on Sunday's is must-read.

And both young goalies wil be at the draft party?

~Oh no, now they can't trade one~

Except that they would seemingly be much more likely to be moved on the Saturday than on the Friday. Oh... and they're (at this point) borderline NHL backups, so ah... who cares if you 'hurt their feelings' or 'embarass' them by dealing them.

Please post link to Matheson's read. I like reading his stuff. Even if I don't think he is much of a insider these days.

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#181 RossCreekNation
June 12 2010, 10:48AM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

Please post link to Matheson's read. I like reading his stuff. Even if I don't think he is much of a insider these days.

Fresh stuff tomorrow, but in the meantime... bookmark this page: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/topic.html?t=Topic&q=Hockey+World

And here's what Jim had to say about Spezza...

Before Oilers fans string me up and call me a dummy, I wasn't saying in my web file that the Oilers should get Jason Spezza. I was just wondering if the Oilers would think to revisit the Senators with a similar type package to the one for Dany Heatley. I'm not a rousing Spezza fan. I can think of at least 20 NHL centres I would rather have, but the Oilers do not have a legitimate No. 1 centre. That said, Spezza isn't as good as Heatley so the Oilers wouldn't give up as much to get him. I'm sure the Senators would want Sam Gagner in a package for Spezza if they're losing a centre. It was just an idea, open for debate, that's all. I have a feeling the Oilers are little concerned that Gagner's progress has stalled even if he gets strong marks for already playing 223 NHL games, and he's only 20 years old. They would like him to improve his skating.

Also, from Matty a couple weeks back...

The Oilers need goalie depth, so don't be surprised if they chase Swede Fredrik Pettersson-Wentzel, who dazzled -- 1.85 goals-against average, six shutouts -- in the Swedish First Division this season.

Not sure I've heard much on that front 'round these parts. Interesting.

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#182 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 11:16AM
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@RossCreekNation

Thanks, I'm going to read into the Swede. I would rather the Oilers trade Horcoff and Cogs for Spezza than Gagner. I agree that Gagner hasn't impressed me since his rookie year but is younger and we need to stay young. If we trade with the Sens the money has to be equal.Tambo should be trying to convince Boston how good Souray and Chara would be together on the power play.Oh yeah can't wait for Toews to bring the cup to Winnipeg.

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#183 JohnQPublic
June 12 2010, 11:19AM
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I'm in with the Penner or Hemsky trade given that neither would resign. Two years of either one isn't worth a Hall/Seguin one/two. Not even close.

If, however, Penner or Hemsky will resign then it's a much more difficult situation.

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#184 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 11:30AM
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@JohnQPublic

Hemsky is coming off surgery and missed almost the whole season, I don't see his value being great at this time. He would get the Oilers more if they traded after another season, also then they would know if he was going to resign.

Penner just came off his best season and 30 goals, he would get the Oilers the most in a trade. Will Boston want Penner ? Will Columbus want him ?

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#185 Jackie Treehorn
June 12 2010, 11:51AM
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@Shaun Doe

Everyone stop what they're doing...important news just came in from our good friend Madjam.

"Hall passed with "flying colors " by all accounts and thus has set a very high standard to beat"

Madjam's uncle just happens to be Mr Katz, so it was only natural to have the little chap tag along with Hall and Tambo for the meetings. Apparently Hall, according to Madjam, wasn't much of a veggie eater; he didn't even finish them. We ask Madjam (fly on the wall we call him) for an update:

"Ya, he was at my uncle Batman's place and ya WE interviewed him. I haven't made up my mind yet though. He played NHL with me on the ps3!!"

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#186 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 12:00PM
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@Jackie Treehorn

I knew Madjam had the connections....

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#187 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 12 2010, 12:22PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

Hemsky is coming off surgery and missed almost the whole season, I don't see his value being great at this time. He would get the Oilers more if they traded after another season, also then they would know if he was going to resign.

Penner just came off his best season and 30 goals, he would get the Oilers the most in a trade. Will Boston want Penner ? Will Columbus want him ?

You actually think Penner has more value then Hemsky?

I don't think GM's are as short sighted as fans are.

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#188 Jackie Treehorn
June 12 2010, 12:27PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You actually think Penner has more value then Hemsky?

I don't think GM's are as short sighted as fans are.

I think your right

Burke traded the farm for Kessel when he knew he wasn't gonna play at all until Late November, or early December

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#189 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 12:34PM
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@Jackie Treehorn

Phil Kessel isn't worth two first round picks, but he is worth more than Hemsky and Penner. ~ Brian Burke told me ~

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#190 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 12:37PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

So you actually think that GMs won't think about the fact Hemsky had shoulder surgery ? You think most GMs would pass on a 30 goal winger to get a guy that was injured almost the whole season?

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#191 Jackie Treehorn
June 12 2010, 12:44PM
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@Oil_Loc8or

Burke is an idiot obviously.

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#192 Oil_Loc8or
June 12 2010, 12:47PM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

Burke is an idiot obviously.

Amen

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#193 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 12 2010, 12:50PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

So you actually think that GMs won't think about the fact Hemsky had shoulder surgery ? You think most GMs would pass on a 30 goal winger to get a guy that was injured almost the whole season?

I actually think Hemsky still has more value around the league then Penner does.

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#194 RossCreekNation
June 12 2010, 12:51PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

Phil Kessel isn't worth two first round picks, but he is worth more than Hemsky and Penner. ~ Brian Burke told me ~

He is... depending on where those picks are. Say they turned out to be #10 this year & #15 next year. Not bad imo. Kessel went 5th... so he is/was worth at least one 1st rounder, two depending where they fell. Burke gambled and lost... he figured that with Kessel, they'd finish better than 29th. Considering - on paper - they were better heading in to last season than they were the year before, I figured they'd finish better than 29th, too... like 24th ;-)

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#195 David S
June 12 2010, 12:54PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

So you actually think that GMs won't think about the fact Hemsky had shoulder surgery ? You think most GMs would pass on a 30 goal winger to get a guy that was injured almost the whole season?

Its debatable of course, but at the very least Hemsky in on the cusp of "elite level" based on his past performance. The good thing about his injury is that he could be expected to be fully recovered and ready to go, which isn't always the case with shoulder injuries (see: Horcoff, Shawn & Souray, Sheldon).

Then of course you add in his current contract and Hemsky becomes pretty valuable. Penner and Hemsky are different types of players so you'd expect that a team would prefer one or the other depending on their team needs.

Lastly, maybe a GM might look at who Hemsky is playing with here in Edmonton and think he'd break out with better linemates. For example, Hemsky as a set up guy for Cammaleri? Can you imagine what sort of damage those two could do? *drool*

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#196 Butters
June 12 2010, 12:58PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You honestly don't think the Oilers (or someone else) would give Hemsky 5.5 million?

I meant the 7 million part, not the cap hit. I might be splitting hairs I guess. But as more teams start to push against the cap ceiling, the 5.5+ or 6+ per deals might be harder to come by.

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#197 Jackie Treehorn
June 12 2010, 01:00PM
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Toronto fans are in denial right now, but soon they will wake up and relize that Burke is not the messiah.

Burke inherited the cup winning team from the classy Brian Murray. The worst part is after winning the cup, Burke tried to fleece the team by trading Bobby Ryan to his future employers. Brian Burke is a disgrace to the NHL.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=251254&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_main

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#198 Crash
June 12 2010, 01:31PM
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David S wrote:

Its debatable of course, but at the very least Hemsky in on the cusp of "elite level" based on his past performance. The good thing about his injury is that he could be expected to be fully recovered and ready to go, which isn't always the case with shoulder injuries (see: Horcoff, Shawn & Souray, Sheldon).

Then of course you add in his current contract and Hemsky becomes pretty valuable. Penner and Hemsky are different types of players so you'd expect that a team would prefer one or the other depending on their team needs.

Lastly, maybe a GM might look at who Hemsky is playing with here in Edmonton and think he'd break out with better linemates. For example, Hemsky as a set up guy for Cammaleri? Can you imagine what sort of damage those two could do? *drool*

Im more imagining the damage Hemsky and Hall could do...

and then when the damage they both can do becomes evident Hemsky will feel a desire to be a part of the turaround and signs a 5 or 6 yr extension next summer..

*drool*

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#199 Archaeologuy
June 12 2010, 01:42PM
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Crash wrote:

Im more imagining the damage Hemsky and Hall could do...

and then when the damage they both can do becomes evident Hemsky will feel a desire to be a part of the turaround and signs a 5 or 6 yr extension next summer..

*drool*

I also hope that whomever the Oilers select re-energizes Hemsky's passion to play in Edmonton. It might be too much to ask, but a guy can still dream.

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#200 Mitch
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The only player I wouldn't consider trading is MPS to get the #2. All things considered you must make a offer to blow Bostons socks off. Hemsky, Gagner and a one dman. Any assortment of players will work,just no MPS. It doesn't hurt to lose a Gagner type player to acquire the #2 because I think your getting a better player back. If you really want the pick go get it.

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