Taylor & Tyler: Tambellini should pitch his brains out to Peter Chiarelli

Robin Brownlee
June 10 2010 09:44PM

TORONTO - APRIL 13: Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini awaits the announcement for the first overall pick during the NHL Draft Lottery Drawing at the TSN Studio April 13, 2010 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Photo by Abelimages / Getty Images for NHL)

It's not often a team with the second overall pick in the NHL Entry Draft has a reasonable chance to win now like the Boston Bruins do, and that's reason enough why Steve Tambellini should be all over Peter Chiarelli like a bad haircut.

But, thanks to Brian Burke and the Phil Kessel trade, the Bruins are a team that's already pretty good -- 91 points this season, 116 in 2008-09 and 94 in 2007-08 -- and a team that holds second pick in Los Angeles, right after the Oilers pick first (and take Tyler Seguin).

Given the make-up of the Bruins, who have a core of players entering or still in the prime of their careers, would Chiarelli be better off hanging on to his selection and taking Taylor Hall, as he has already suggested he might, or is it in his best interests to at least listen when Tambellini takes up residence in his ear?

If the conversation starts with Tambellini offering, say, Ales Hemsky and Gilbert Brule or Dustin Penner for his pick and a Seguin-Hall daily-double, is there reason to keep talking?

If I'm the GM of the Bruins, if I think my team might be a Stanley Cup contender with Hemsky and Penner, and if I'm willing to admit gainful employment is a consideration, the answer is yes.

Why wouldn't Chiarelli listen?

Here and now

Before you laugh off the possibility of Tambellini swinging a deal to land Seguin and Hall, ask yourself this: will the Bruins be a better team over the next two seasons with Hall in the line-up or with Hemsky and Penner? Yes? No? Not sure? If yes, might the Bruins be good enough before Hall turns 21 to win a Stanley Cup with Hemsky and Penner?

Before you trot out cliches about "mortgaging the future" and the like, remember, that kind of talk takes on a different tone if you're walking in Chiarelli's shoes, as opposed to spouting platitudes as a fan or writer.

Talk about the future is fine, but the future can be somewhat more immediate in a city like Beantown that hasn't sipped champagne from the Stanley Cup since 1972. Dale Tallon damn sure had a hand in building the Chicago Blackhawks, but he wasn't around to enjoy the parade.

Is it a longshot that Tambellini will be able to convince Chiarelli to part with this pick? Duh. Of course it is. Chiarelli will have a line up of eager suitors trying to separate him from a crack at Hall with attractive offers. Then, there's the optics of giving up a potential franchise player for a shot to win here and now -- with no guarantee it'll play out that way.

Of course, it's not nearly as hard a sell if the Bruins win something before Chiarelli starts losing bits and pieces of his roster, as is inevitable under a salary cap, and Hall becomes the stud people project him to be.

From the Oilers end of things, Tambellini won't get the answers to any of those questions unless he asks. He damn sure better -- and it should be Plan A before he settles on trying to squeeze something out of Chiarelli to lay-off Hall if he can't hit the home run.

What's to lose?

I've already written why I'd offer up Hemsky. I'm not sure he'll be here after his contract expires in two seasons, despite his candlelight dinner with owner Daryl Katz after the season ended. I'm not convinced Penner will re-sign in Edmonton, either.

So, I start this what-if scenario with them, but feel free to change or add names you think might make a deal possible. If that includes taking a hummer contract back, like that of Michael Ryder -- the Bruins already have over $46 million committed to salaries next season, so the cap is a consideration -- so be it. Tweak it however you like.

The point is, there shouldn't be anybody near untouchable on the Oilers roster, not after four straight years out of the playoffs. Tambellini isn't giving up the chance to win something in the next two or three years by parting with Hemsky, Penner, Brule or whoever.

But, if you add a combination of those names to Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, David Krejci, Blake Wheeler, Milan Lucic, Zdeno Chara. Johnny Boychuk and Tuukka Rask, might that put the Bruins over the top?

If I'm Tambellini, I'm asking Chiarelli that question in Los Angeles, and I'm throwing offers at him in an attempt to get Seguin and Hall until the mini-bar is empty and he tells me to get the hell out of his room.

What's to lose?

Know your audience

There's some sharp fans out there, but there's a handful of dullards with slack jaws and walnut-sized brains in the mix who keep things interesting by providing laugh-out-loud material.

Every Sunday, Jim Matheson serves up one of the best reads anywhere with Hockey World in the Journal. Matheson, an Elmer Ferguson Award winner -- he's in the writer's wing of the Hockey Hall of Fame -- got people talking with his latest offering last weekend.

Among other things, Matheson asked if the Oilers might make a pitch for Chicago's Kris Versteeg with the 31st pick at the Entry Draft, if they might be interested in free agent defenceman John Scott and if San Jose might be interested in Sheldon Souray.

Matheson's what-ifs and speculation drew this response by somebody calling himself "Asher" over at HF Boards.

"The more I read these Matheson "speculations" the more he comes off sounding like Eklund. I've often thought a lot of Eklund rumours are created by him sitting down looking at rosters and saying things like, "Gee, Team A could really use a player like the one Team B has that might be available." And then he goes on to create a rumour. I know Matty was writing for Eklund's site a while back... maybe he picked up a few of Eklund's writing habits along the way."

Matty was writing for Eklund a while back? Uh, no. Never has. Never will. That's the wonderful thing about the interweb. Dolts can write stupid stuff that has no foundation in fact and people will read it because it's only a mouse click away, alongside legit offerings from journalists, fans and bloggers who aren't uttering nonsense and lies.

The right stuff

Hall certainly passed his drive-by to Edmonton today with flying colors, saying all the right things.

"I know how crazy this city is for hockey," Hall told reporters at Rexall Place. "I was having lunch at Joey’s and the chef came out and asked me to autograph his apron. People are recognizing me, already. I think it would be pretty cool to play here."

Part of the reason some people are pitching Seguin as a better fit for the Oilers is that he's a centre, while Hall has played primarily left wing while leading the Windsor Spitfires to two straight Memorial Cups.

"I’d be very comfortable playing centre," Hall said. "In Windsor we had a lot of true centres who were better there than on the wing, so I moved over.

"When we had injuries this year, I moved back, and I played half the year I was at centre. It’s still hockey, it’s about winning battles in the offensive zone."

Seguin will stop in Edmonton for a look-see next week.

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#201 Mitch
June 12 2010, 01:48PM
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The only player I wouldn't consider trading is MPS to get the #2. All things considered you must make a offer to blow Bostons socks off. Hemsky, Gagner and a one dman. Any assortment of players will work,just no MPS. It doesn't hurt to lose a Gagner type player to acquire the #2 because I think your getting a better player back. If you really want the pick go get it.

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#202 Mitch
June 12 2010, 01:48PM
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The only player I wouldn't consider trading is MPS to get the #2. All things considered you must make a offer to blow Bostons socks off. Hemsky, Gagner and a one dman. Any assortment of players will work,just no MPS. It doesn't hurt to lose a Gagner type player to acquire the #2 because I think your getting a better player back. If you really want the pick go get it.

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#203 Crash
June 12 2010, 01:54PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I also hope that whomever the Oilers select re-energizes Hemsky's passion to play in Edmonton. It might be too much to ask, but a guy can still dream.

No doubt and now I'm reading people actually wanting to offer Hemsky/Gagner and a d-man?

Holy crap, when will this insanity end?

I still think if the Oilers give up on Gagner it will be a huge mistake

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#204 Jackie Treehorn
June 12 2010, 01:55PM
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@Archaeologuy

I wonder if he would enjoy playing with Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin? Who would entice him to stay more I mean? I think the Oiler's should keep Hemsky because he's homegrown. Penner's stock is at an all time high, maybe they move him, but he is a big body on a very small team.

Does the draft pick decision affect Hemsky's decision immediately?

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#205 Archaeologuy
June 12 2010, 02:01PM
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Crash wrote:

No doubt and now I'm reading people actually wanting to offer Hemsky/Gagner and a d-man?

Holy crap, when will this insanity end?

I still think if the Oilers give up on Gagner it will be a huge mistake

Yeah, I dont understand the people that want to trade Gagner. Clearly some people think the best way to rebuild is by trading away all of the team's best young players.

~Makes sense to me.~

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#206 RossCreekNation
June 12 2010, 02:15PM
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I also don't get the people not willing to move next years 1st rounder to get the Leafs 1st rounder this year from Boston.

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#207 Crash
June 12 2010, 02:24PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

I also don't get the people not willing to move next years 1st rounder to get the Leafs 1st rounder this year from Boston.

RC, you won't believe this but I totally agree with you, lol..

Why wouldn't you swap next years 1st rounder for one this year at #2? It's not like you're losing the pick next year, you are just deferring it to this year...

In post #1 my trade offer included the Oilers pick next year but of course why would the Bruins swap #2 for the unknown next year? Well they probably wouldn't unless you throw more in so I added this years 31st pick and a couple of pretty good players that may make them think about it....

Then the Bruins would have 3 1st rounders next year with two of them being possible top 5's...no guarantee but possible..plus they could add a couple of pieces to help them win now (ie: Penner and Cogliano or Brule)

Then going forward the Oil would have Hall/Seguin/Hemsky/MPS/Eberle/Gagner to start up front....IMO that's a very nice start to a rebuild and could get Hemsky's name on an extension.

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#208 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 12 2010, 03:23PM
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Mitch wrote:

The only player I wouldn't consider trading is MPS to get the #2. All things considered you must make a offer to blow Bostons socks off. Hemsky, Gagner and a one dman. Any assortment of players will work,just no MPS. It doesn't hurt to lose a Gagner type player to acquire the #2 because I think your getting a better player back. If you really want the pick go get it.

Wow, could you imagine if #2 ended up a bust (or even just a 2nd liner/role player).

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#209 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 12 2010, 03:31PM
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2010-2011 Oilers roster (Dr. Martin Luther King version) Not necessarily in this order... LW M. Ryder.Center Jason Spezza.RW B.Wheeler.............. LW T. Hall.Center S. Gagner.RW Chris Neil.......... LW MPS.Center T.Seguin.RW J. Eberle............ LW R.Stone.Center G. Brule.RW JF Jacques......... LW Z. Stortini.Center M. Comrie.RW R. Jones.

Back End..

R.Whitney/T. Gilbert...... Brian Campbell/T.Peckham...... L. Smid/A. Johnson...... J. Strudwick

Goaltenders Khabibulin and Dubnyk.

Minus long term disabilities (275 games) comes to about a 57 million dollar payroll.

buyouts O'Sullivan and Nilsson.

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#210 Jackie Treehorn
June 12 2010, 03:32PM
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@Crash

@ RossCreek

You guys are on to something

That would be great if it could happen. This must have been talked about in Oiler meetings recently.

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#211 David S
June 12 2010, 04:36PM
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Dubnyk as the backup. Have we not learned anything after this year?

You'd think the first order of business would be to get a NHL worthy backup ~in case~ Khabby goes down again.

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#212 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 12 2010, 04:39PM
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David S wrote:

Dubnyk as the backup. Have we not learned anything after this year?

You'd think the first order of business would be to get a NHL worthy backup ~in case~ Khabby goes down again.

No doubt, all the great trades/drafts in the world mean nothing if we don't solidify the tending.

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#213 Crash
June 12 2010, 04:43PM
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Am I the only one who actually noticed or has the feeling that Dubnyk actually showed he is not only more than a capable back up but that he could very soon be a good NHL starter?

Why does everyone disregard what he did over the last 2 months of last season. He had a slow start at the beginning yes but his finish was magnificent...

He has all the tools that successful NHL goalies have...size, sound positioning and he has an even keel demeanor, meaning he doesn't get rattled...he's calm, cool and collected during the good times and during the bad.

IMO he will soon be our number one guy and could easily be the back up next year.

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#214 Archaeologuy
June 12 2010, 06:38PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

No doubt, all the great trades/drafts in the world mean nothing if we don't solidify the tending.

He's also a prospect but what are the Canucks going to do with Schneider? The guy isnt going to be a starter in the NHL as long as he's Vancouver property. How much would a team have to give up for him? Maybe I'm out to lunch and the Canucks will keep him and let him play his 10 games a year in Vancouver.

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#215 Mike Modano's Dog
June 12 2010, 06:46PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

I also don't get the people not willing to move next years 1st rounder to get the Leafs 1st rounder this year from Boston.

I am one of them. Here's why:

You cannot just swap next year's pick for this year...of course I'd do that (a lottery pick for a lottery pick).

It's because if you include next year's first it will be as part of a large package that involves an already steep price, I believe. I don't mind paying that price in the form of Hemsky and Penner, etc..

I believe that next year's pick is likely another lottery pick and could be good enough to get that Larsson d-man from Sweden, or another stud. As much as I hate to admit it there is still no guarantee that this year's top 2 will make the impact you want them to make (although I believe they will). Therefore, I have no desire to trade what could very easily be a top-5 choice next year, along with Hemsky, Penner, this year's picks, etc... to get it done. Just DON'T include next year's #1 in whatever package you put together - that's all I ask.*

* I also don't want to include any legitimate Oiler prospect not named Nash. There is no way in H-E-7-7 I give up MPS or Eberle during our rebuild.

If that means we don't make that trade, then we don't make that trade. But trading next year's #1 I believe would be every bit as short-sighted as Burke doing the same thing with Boston last year...hoping our team is good enough to finish out of the lottery while it is currently in the gutter. I love our team, and want them to win, don't confuse realism for hating on my team, but you don't trade away #1 draft picks in a re-build mode. The only one I've seen do that type of moves for players he 'really wanted' was Mike Milbury. Ask him how that turned out...

Anyway, that's my two cents!

P.S. Crash: I agree with your assessment of Dubnyk's play late in the year. He shook off a brutally tough start, and I believe, showed a lot of moxie doing it. I think he definitely has 'starter' material written all over him. I noticed how much he had improved his game 2 years ago at our training camp, and was just blown away from the difference in his game at that time. If confidence in the NHL was all he needed to show that at this level he definitely got that this year!

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#216 Kevin
June 12 2010, 06:51PM
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It may be prudent to get Dale Tallon on the Jason Gregor show sometime before the draft and see what he would do with this all important draft pick and draft. Tambo always seems to have the deer in the head light look. Tallon the architech behind the Blackhawk turnaround was apparently not qualified for a Katz group pay check. Robin is right we should be doing whatever it takes at whatever cost to land both Hall and Segan. We are, after all in rebuild mode so let's rebuild and do it right. Failing to move both Penner and Hemsky this summer we mean our GM has failed ! My two cents. I note too that Taylor Pyatt is a UFA. How about Ben Eager as well. Some size and grit would be in order fir this summer shopping as well.

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#217 Hemmertime
June 12 2010, 07:25PM
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@Kevin

Failing to move Hemsky and Penner means our GM has failed?

Wow... really? Please take our best 2 players, we are "rebuilding" so we need to move anyone with talent. Get rid of Hemsky, bring in Pyatt. Damn right. Penner for Eager? Sign me up! As long as we move these pesky "high return" contracts we'll be fine. And you do realize Tallon is Florida's GM eh?

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#218 David S
June 12 2010, 08:59PM
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Crash wrote:

Am I the only one who actually noticed or has the feeling that Dubnyk actually showed he is not only more than a capable back up but that he could very soon be a good NHL starter?

Why does everyone disregard what he did over the last 2 months of last season. He had a slow start at the beginning yes but his finish was magnificent...

He has all the tools that successful NHL goalies have...size, sound positioning and he has an even keel demeanor, meaning he doesn't get rattled...he's calm, cool and collected during the good times and during the bad.

IMO he will soon be our number one guy and could easily be the back up next year.

Ahhhh-hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

*koff koff*

Yes. Yes you are.

Throw him down to Oklahoma, let him try to knock the lights outta the place and only then, MAYBE, give him another shot.

Seriously. IMO the only reason the JDD and DD clown show was allowed to run out the season was we were gunning hard for 30th. OK. Mission accomplished on that travesty. Lets get back to NHL caliber goalies in our nets shall we?

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#219 David S
June 12 2010, 09:05PM
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Still think they shoulda tried this last year...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzosdvWVbTo

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#220 Chris.
June 13 2010, 12:34AM
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@Mitch

MPS and Hemsky might get you Boston's pick (for real). Assuming Brownlee is correct, and the Oilers are likely to take Seguin... And assuming Brownlee is right about Hemsky most likely not extending his contract in Edmonton:

Isn't Hall worth more than MPS and the garbage you could get for Hemsky in two years time? Let's really consider the merits of such a ballsy move within the framework of a total rebuild. Remember, moving Hemsky this year will also land the Oilers a higher draft pick next year. Hall, and Seguin, and a lottery pick in 2011...

I'm not sure I'd do it... but that is the kind of offer that might have a chance at success.

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#221 Mike K
June 13 2010, 02:27AM
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everyone is so impatient. A rebuild takes time and looking at the Kings and Hawks it is more of a 3-5 year process if done properly. In that time the dealing of 1st round picks just isn't smart. There will be good players in next year's draft. And with a thin defence Adam Larsson would be a good pick for the Oilers. And given that the Oilers roster is looking worse or about the same as last year the odds are they'll get a lottery pick again.

I know everyone's excited about the prospects that are coming over in Omark, MPS, and Eberle but let's face it the better thing to do is for the Oilers to bring the young guys to the camp for experience and send them down to the AHL to ease them into pro hockey. It wasn't that long ago that they screwed the pooch by bringing Cogliano and Gagner up too quickly without allowing them to get stronger and smarter when playing at the pro level with full grown adults. The new prospects should get some time in semi pro hockey. The only exception would be Hall because his style of play and his strength already make him fairly NHL ready, that is if the Oilers draft him. If the Oilers select Seguin I don't see any harm in him finishing Junior and getting experience in the World Junior Tournament as there are still things he hasn't experienced as a young player.

Side note on the backups. Dubnyk should start in the AHL to see if he's learned anything from his NHL stint and his numbers don't scream consistency. He looked better as the year finished but he still hasn't proven he's ready for an 82 game schedule. Backups aren't that expensive. The Oilers would be better off shopping for an inexpensive backup for this season. There's a lot of serviceable ones who aren't expensive. ie. Biron, Auld, Nittymaki

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#222 Kevin
June 13 2010, 06:50AM
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@Hemmertime

Yes I realize Hemsky can dangle with the best of them but think again if you think he will resign here for a contract $$ less than Horcoffs. That Horcoff contrcat at the end of the day will cost us more than $30 million. The penalty management will pay for that awfull contract is ultimately lossing Hemsky. My thought were to trade him now while we are in rebuild mode and try to land a top pick. Yes Penner has size and skill but fails to show consistency and fails to add grit. I"m guessing he moves on after this contract. Trade him now as he has value. Management knew Souray wanted out last year and did nothing now his value on the market is questionable. Another mistake ! And yes I know where Tallon is now but he sat unemployed for nearly a full season while our GM was still assessing this gong show. .

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#223 RossCreekNation
June 13 2010, 09:10AM
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@Mike Modano's Dog

In giving up next year's 1st, I never said that you'd have to give up Hemsky + Penner+ whatever along with it. Boston has said that they don't really want players with big tickets coming in. Maybe 1 of Hemsky & Penner, but likely not both.

My take it why be afraid to include next year's 1st in a deal. Obviously if the rest of the price is too steep, then it doesn't make sense. Chances are (I know it still early) that BOTH Hall & Seguin will be better than anyone next year anyways. Its basically speeding up the rebuild process, as instead of waiting for next year to draft a prospect, you get to do it this year. Personally, I'd be more inclined to deal that pick rather than moving MPS (prob the only untouchable at this point imo).

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#224 RossCreekNation
June 13 2010, 09:19AM
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Not so fast with talk of the cap going up; could yet go down...

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/rai_your_cap_FDaM9PZ1pSzGfC22wjTizN

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#225 RossCreekNation
June 13 2010, 09:54AM
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From Jim Matheson's Hockey World today (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/MacTavish+hits+books/3148349/story.html)

-If I were a betting man, I'd say the Oilers will try to trade goaltender Jeff Deslauriers at the draft because he, not Devan Dubnyk, is more marketable and because they don't want three goalies vying for one net.
Also, they will sign a B-grade free-agent goalie (maybe Curtis Sanford or Joey MacDonald) to play in Oklahoma City and definitely draft a goalie, probably after Round 2, because the cupboard is almost bare.

-Teams are lining up for Kris Versteeg. If it takes a second-round draft, the Oilers, at No. 31, should lead the parade. This is a no-brainer as far as I can see for a guy who might score 30 goals for them. I think the Oilers will shop 2007 first-round draft Riley Nash's rights at the draft, too.

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#226 madjam
June 13 2010, 10:27AM
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Spacing out some of our upcoming youngsters or trades down the line might help keep them here . I would not want all of them up same year for contract renewals . It can/could happen if we add more than we have already this season . 15 already this year up for renewal . I'd rather hold onto next years NBR. 1 choice , as there is a very good chance it will be NBR.1 choice overall again if we play with present defensive and goaltending conundrum ! Even Ufa's could become a huge fiscal problem . I think we need to trade for contracts that are not expiring this season to be honest .

Does anyone see a future for Khabby down the line ? I'd move Khabby if they can .

I don't think i'd be selling out the farm like some of you suggest, and being stuck with all those contract renewals in the same year down the line . We need to add parts wisely , and address fiscal and contract considerations/ responsibilities at the same time as players if we are to be successfull down the line . Otherwise, we might be in a worse position than we are now 3 years down the road in many respects , with star players we cannot afford to hold onto .

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#227 madjam
June 13 2010, 11:06AM
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I see no advantage to dealing Souray before next years trade deadline if he or we ever hope to get close to his value in return ! I take his word on being traded "if it benefits the club ". Well , it doesn't benefit the Oilers at this time . I'd hold him to it till he proves next season or later he still can play at the valued contract we gave him . Fence mending on both sides is the best avenue to go with Souray , not let him go for more disasters that might well confront us .

I think Souray is an honorable enough man to live up to his contract until he shoots his play up to the point Oilers can afford to accommodate a reasonable trade . Thats not being unfair to Souray's request to be traded down the line .

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#228 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 13 2010, 11:51AM
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Kevin wrote:

Yes I realize Hemsky can dangle with the best of them but think again if you think he will resign here for a contract $$ less than Horcoffs. That Horcoff contrcat at the end of the day will cost us more than $30 million. The penalty management will pay for that awfull contract is ultimately lossing Hemsky. My thought were to trade him now while we are in rebuild mode and try to land a top pick. Yes Penner has size and skill but fails to show consistency and fails to add grit. I"m guessing he moves on after this contract. Trade him now as he has value. Management knew Souray wanted out last year and did nothing now his value on the market is questionable. Another mistake ! And yes I know where Tallon is now but he sat unemployed for nearly a full season while our GM was still assessing this gong show. .

So you're saying if we never signed Horcoff for 5.5 per, we'd be able to sign Hemsky for less then 5.5?

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#229 Lofty
June 13 2010, 11:54AM
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Gettin rid of MPS, Omark, Eberle, or the #1 pick is rediculous. They're the future and loosing them to drop a bad contract is like two swift kicks to the groin.

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#230 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
June 13 2010, 11:58AM
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madjam wrote:

I see no advantage to dealing Souray before next years trade deadline if he or we ever hope to get close to his value in return ! I take his word on being traded "if it benefits the club ". Well , it doesn't benefit the Oilers at this time . I'd hold him to it till he proves next season or later he still can play at the valued contract we gave him . Fence mending on both sides is the best avenue to go with Souray , not let him go for more disasters that might well confront us .

I think Souray is an honorable enough man to live up to his contract until he shoots his play up to the point Oilers can afford to accommodate a reasonable trade . Thats not being unfair to Souray's request to be traded down the line .

and when souray gets hurt again next season?

i would rather take the hit and dump the often injured guy who doesnt want to be here than roll the dice and end up with an untradeable asset next season because he is hurt AGAIN.

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#231 Hemmertime
June 13 2010, 12:37PM
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@Kevin

Take the Chicago model: They didn't dump Havlat when the plan was rebuilding. They let him go and signed Hossa this year.

Pittsburgh: Didn't move Gonchar or anyone with talent during rebuild.

Kings didn't move anyone of note. --- I don't see why you would want to move people now vs later for a slightly (possibly less too) better return instead of having some good caliber players to teach our young guys. Don't get me wrong, if we can get a great pick or a young player who should be great down the line it is a good deal. But going with the mentality "We have to get rid of these guys" will net us a bad return and is just idiotic

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#232 Oil_Loc8or
June 13 2010, 03:05PM
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I don't mind trading gagner to move up in the draft. As long as it is in the top 6 picks.

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#233 Crash
June 13 2010, 03:10PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

I don't mind trading gagner to move up in the draft. As long as it is in the top 6 picks.

Gagner is a top 6....so I suppose once you've traded Gagner for this top 6, in three years when that top 6 guy "might" start to become good you'll be back on here again saying you'd trade that guy for a top 6...

Wash, rinse and recycle....the cycle never ends

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#234 Oil_Loc8or
June 13 2010, 03:47PM
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@Crash

$$$$$!! Equal player in return if not better. Maybe a young dman. It doesn't have to be gagner. I'm saying swap one of our younger guys to move up in the draft saving on cap space.

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#235 David S
June 13 2010, 03:53PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

$$$$$!! Equal player in return if not better. Maybe a young dman. It doesn't have to be gagner. I'm saying swap one of our younger guys to move up in the draft saving on cap space.

POTENTIALLY equal player. Some time in the next couple of years.

Even then the best prospects aren't locks. You'd be willing to give up a known, upwardly trending (20 year old) top 6 NHL'er for a "maybe"?

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#236 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 13 2010, 04:38PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

$$$$$!! Equal player in return if not better. Maybe a young dman. It doesn't have to be gagner. I'm saying swap one of our younger guys to move up in the draft saving on cap space.

You know the odds of picks outside the top 2 being stars isn't actually that high right?

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#237 Oil_Loc8or
June 13 2010, 05:14PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

You consider any of our young players stars?

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#238 striker
June 13 2010, 05:19PM
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Hall, Horcoff, Hemsky... Let's call them "the Triple-H line" :)

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#239 Oil_Loc8or
June 13 2010, 05:21PM
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@David S

It is to help the rebuild get more prospects. Like I wrote it didn't have to be gagner. Also gagner isn't a top 6 forward on good NHL teams. Brûlée and cogs are equal to gagner judging from last season.

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#240 Devon
June 13 2010, 05:35PM
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I would be against trading Hemesky at this point. Let him get a year back with good young talent and if he can't be kept trade him this season or next the same with Penner. We need some people that can score and make plays while the youngsters develope. A more likely scenario would be trading down with Boston if Tambs decides he wants Seguin. And getting Bostons other first rounder and one of their defense man to play with Smid. And giving them one of Oilers forwards likely Nielsson or O'Sullivan. Trading to get the Second and First pick I think would be to hard no matter what you offer I can't see Boston going for it.

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#241 Pajamah
June 13 2010, 05:36PM
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striker wrote:

Hall, Horcoff, Hemsky... Let's call them "the Triple-H line" :)

C'mon Thorny, say "car ramrod". You forgot to say car ramrod.

How about we don't name the lines at all?

Since the "Legion of Doom", pretty much every line name has been absolute crap. And that includes "Horpensky".

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#242 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 13 2010, 05:54PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

You consider any of our young players stars?

No, but it would need to be a star to be better then Gagner. even if he does top out at the 65 points that you think he does, theirs not alot of guys that even get their drafted 4/5/6. I looked at it before, but the odds of a pick in that range being either a plug or a bust is still 30%ish (estimate)

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#243 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 13 2010, 05:58PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

It is to help the rebuild get more prospects. Like I wrote it didn't have to be gagner. Also gagner isn't a top 6 forward on good NHL teams. Brûlée and cogs are equal to gagner judging from last season.

Cogs is equal to Gagner based on last season?

Do you know Gagner finished 136th for scoring amoungst forwards? That would put him right at the cusp of uper end 2nd line numbers at 20.

Stating that trading a 20 year old that's proven he's at least a 2nd liner for prospects helps a rebuild is ridiculous.

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#244 David S
June 13 2010, 06:19PM
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We sucked this year with an AHL lineup and some people still want to bring in more prospects.

*shakes head*

Meanwhile, in the real world we still have to play 82 games next year against NHL teams. Unlike internet fans the people that actually go to games and spend untold thousands for seasons seats will expect a better showing than the 09-10 trainwreck. That isn't going to happen with a bunch of 18 year-olds getting smashed into oblivion by real NHL players.

Sam is a gamer and has nowhere to go but up. I bet he hits 60 easy next year if he has Penner as a linemate for the entire year. Penner, Gagner and Hall? Dare to dream Arnold. Dare to dream.

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#245 Oil_Loc8or
June 13 2010, 08:07PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

So trading proven 1st line players is better? Since when is 65 points bad ?

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#246 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 13 2010, 08:34PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

So trading proven 1st line players is better? Since when is 65 points bad ?

I'm assuming you are talking about Hemsky/Penner? The only reason I'd be remotely open to trading either for unproven youth/picks is if it's clear they aren't resigning here.

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#247 Archaeologuy
June 13 2010, 09:06PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

I don't mind trading gagner to move up in the draft. As long as it is in the top 6 picks.

Good to see that I'm not the only one who got a little too much sun today

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#248 a lg dubl dubl
June 13 2010, 09:17PM
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ive got to agree with devon, trading hemsky and or penner would be pointless at this time. The only reason why the oilers shat the bed this year imo is becase they had almost 600 man games lost due to injury, how well do you think the likes of the flammers, cantnucks, and any other team that lost their top 3 players do? i bet they'd have been right there fight for the #1 pick in the draft. Lets give them another yr (hopefully a healthy yr) and see what happens....but still please for the love of all that is holy!! get rid of nillson, pos, moreau, and that drunk khabby( how can u own a ferrari and NOT have insurance) I think the oil will draft Hall for simple fact we NEED a pure sniper we have all the playmakers in the world in gagner,horcoff,hemsky,eberle

in my armchair gm position id put the lines like this

penner gagner hemsky; cogs hall eberle; mps horcoff mps/brule; stortini potulny stone/whoever can hit

whitney gilbert; smid chorny; peckham scott

gone r nillson capt casper(moreau)pos and soury all traded 4 a brand new kitchen sink or bought out and scott FA signing

sorry if i rambled on im a rookie at this thing called blogging lol

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#249 Oil_Loc8or
June 13 2010, 09:27PM
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@Archaeologuy

So you also would rather trade our first line players to move up ?

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#250 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
June 13 2010, 09:29PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

I don't mind trading gagner to move up in the draft. As long as it is in the top 6 picks.

i thought something reeked of douchebag..

turns out, i found the source. 'twas the above quoted post...

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