Expectations of Omark

Jason Gregor
June 08 2010 06:42AM

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Only seventeen days until we know if it will be Tyler or Taylor, but that won’t be the end of the debates in Oilerville, in fact; it’s just the beginning. After June 25th there will be plenty of other players/situations to discuss, including Jordan Eberle.

The 22nd pick in 2008 will come to camp with a legitimate opportunity to make the team, and his most direct competition will come from the 97th pick in 2007, Linus Omark. Omark is now 5”10’, 180 pounds and blessed with incredible skill,but he is the biggest question mark heading into camp.

What can the Oilers expect from Omark?

Maybe this if they get to a shoot out:

Pretty sweet move but I’m more impressed with the courage it takes to try that move in a game.

But the Oilers would probably prefer the following move since he did it in a game. Looks similar to what Daniel Sedin did to win play of the year on TSN.

Of course Omark will need more in his game than just a few highlight reel goals, and according to Kevin Lowe he has just what the Oilers are looking for.

“His game begins once a guy engages him in the corner. Once a player is on his back, he is good at spinning off, shifting away from the defender and beating guys. It looks like he doesn’t mind the rough stuff, which is what we need.

“He protects the puck very well, which is crucial because you need guys who won’t turn the puck over,” continued Lowe.

Omark’s ability and willingness to cycle the puck could make him a good fit with Dustin Penner. Penner’s best attribute is his ability to cycle the puck down low, make good passes in confined areas and go to the net. Omark could complement Penner very well considering, despite his size, he likes to cycle the puck and can spin off defenders very well.

Penner needs to play with guys who complement his game. Last year he added the ability to score on the rush, but he is most effective along the boards, battling defenders and then taking the puck to the net. He needs guys who can move the puck quickly and accurately in tight areas and Omark seems to fits the bill. If he truly doesn’t mind contact then he should get an extra long look in September, because the Oilers aren’t blessed with many skilled forwards who are willing to play in the tough areas.

Would it be too simplistic to say one of Eberle and Omark stays while the other goes to the Oklahoma City? It might be, but I sense that’s how it will play out.

Rob Daum coached Eberle for 20 games over two seasons in Springfield and so I asked him to describe Eberle’s offensive game.

“He has great offensive instincts and a great offensive mind. He goes to the tough areas and can make special passes. He slips into holes and off of people, but he doesn’t get as involved physically as Omark. He plays by moving instead of confrontation.”

Eberle and Omark have similarities in their game, but Daum’s last line explains perfectly the major difference of their games. It doesn’t make one better, just different. In the long run they might be able to complement each other very well, but when camp comes around I expect they will be battling for the same position.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 08 2010, 01:31PM
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@Matt Henderson

"I think he's a pretty good prospect too but out of Eberle, MPS, Seguin/Hall and Omark, I'd place Omark 4th on the depth chart."

By a wide margin.

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#52 Matt Henderson
June 08 2010, 01:39PM
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@swany

I think if Omark was as good or better than Comrie then he would have been here sooner. I dont totally buy into Omark, but I also think you're selling Comrie a little short. The other rookies will also be looking to take the empty spots in the lineup, I think you have to line Omark up against the other kids.

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#53 Death Metal Nightmare
June 08 2010, 02:04PM
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i only buy into guys from Canada so i can kiss their ass to their faces. players from Foreign, Exotic countries are scams.

/lame /sarcasm /hidden nationalism-xenophobia /Parise, Kane, Martin St Louis are too small for the NHL

im willing to give him 18 minutes a game for three years straight just like Gorgeous Gagner, the Savior of the Oilers for beating up on worthless Russian novelty teams.

/double dose sarcasm

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#54 Victor
June 08 2010, 02:09PM
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Hey Jason, I don't remember any interviews with Omark after he signed. Are you going to have him on your show anytime soon?

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#55 George B
June 08 2010, 02:34PM
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In the 2nd video if it was Shea Weber, Omark would still be asking where he was. Try that funky stuff in NA and he will find himself on his ass more often than not.

That said, he has skill and deserves a shot at camp...and those worried about MPS, Hall and Penner on LW...MPS in an interview the day he signed said he was fine on either wing.

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#56 Rusty Duggan
June 08 2010, 02:39PM
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Check out Tsn video "media haircut" ROFL

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#57 Rusty Duggan
June 08 2010, 02:39PM
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http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip311205#clip311205

Funny stuff

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#58 Curious
June 08 2010, 02:43PM
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http://sports.sympatico.cbc.ca/news/contentposting/oilers_goalie_to_seek_dismissal_of_charges/e42f15a3

We will see what Omark has when he is here. This story about our goalie really kind of pisses me off though. The guy is driving drunk but the cop breached his constitutional rights b/c he had back surgery and the field sobriety test would not have been valid. If he gets off, what a load of crap.

I want him to be here and play well but this 'I am a millionaire hockey player so the rules are different for me' really ticks me off

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#59 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 08 2010, 03:05PM
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Curious wrote:

http://sports.sympatico.cbc.ca/news/contentposting/oilers_goalie_to_seek_dismissal_of_charges/e42f15a3

We will see what Omark has when he is here. This story about our goalie really kind of pisses me off though. The guy is driving drunk but the cop breached his constitutional rights b/c he had back surgery and the field sobriety test would not have been valid. If he gets off, what a load of crap.

I want him to be here and play well but this 'I am a millionaire hockey player so the rules are different for me' really ticks me off

Is it actually unconstitutional to ask for a sobriety test if there are no signs of impairment? If the officer asked, and he complied, then isn't he consenting to it willingly?

I was heading home from the cabin a few years back, and I tapped on my breaks to get a tailgater off my ass. She freaked out and called the cops. They pulled me over an hour or so later and breathalyzed me, despite the fact that I was stone cold sober and wouldn't have been flushed, smelly, etc.

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#60 Ender
June 08 2010, 03:59PM
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Curious wrote:

This story about our goalie really kind of pisses me off though. The guy is driving drunk but the cop breached his constitutional rights b/c he had back surgery and the field sobriety test would not have been valid. If he gets off, what a load of crap. I want him to be here and play well but this 'I am a millionaire hockey player so the rules are different for me' really ticks me off

If there was anyone who needed any more incentive to mothball and/or BBQ their 'Bulin jersey, this is it. Guy is driving drunk (and not just a little bit; WAY over the legal limit), gets caught, and now he figures he doesn't need to pay the piper so he'll find someone else to pin it on. ~It was that dang cop's fault, that's who!~ As if there was no reason in the world why he shouldn't get off scott-free.

The old attitude 'It's only a crime if you get caught' used to make people shake their heads, but at least it was still a crime then. The new attitude seems to be 'It's only a crime if you get caught and can't get someone else to take the fall for you.' Whatever happened to manning-up to your actions?

Professional athletes are supposed to be role models. I sincerely hope my kids aren't learning anything from this dirtbag. I teach them that honesty and accepting the consequences of your actions is how to live your life. I'd like to think that the advice isn't obsolete in a world that doesn't seem to care about those things anymore.

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#61 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 08 2010, 04:48PM
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Curious wrote:

http://sports.sympatico.cbc.ca/news/contentposting/oilers_goalie_to_seek_dismissal_of_charges/e42f15a3

We will see what Omark has when he is here. This story about our goalie really kind of pisses me off though. The guy is driving drunk but the cop breached his constitutional rights b/c he had back surgery and the field sobriety test would not have been valid. If he gets off, what a load of crap.

I want him to be here and play well but this 'I am a millionaire hockey player so the rules are different for me' really ticks me off

Deep Oil pops wood.

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#62 The Swallow
June 08 2010, 05:41PM
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This Omark compilation is new to me, it has about 8000 views so maybe it's new to some of you. It's the best Ive seen, great production for a youtube entry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uCLxJW1bQ&feature=player_embedded

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#63 The Swallow
June 08 2010, 05:45PM
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@The Swallow

Just to add, it has his most recent highlights and is entitled "Linus Omark Highlights 2009/2010"

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#64 wangtaco
June 08 2010, 07:09PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Deep Oil pops wood.

I don't think this has anything to do with being a hockey player (aside from the fact that his attorney is probably very expensive). Really, any criminal defense lawyer will seek means to dismiss a charge. The whole "technicality" argument is looooooong and winding and will never be settled, but I don't think this is really anything to look down on Khabibulin for. His attorney is defending him vigorously, as any lawyer (hopefully) would.

Someone also mentioned that he willingly took a field sobriety test, and that should quash any sort of "inappropriate" argument, but I know here in Canada, if you refuse a sobriety test, you can be arrested, so...I'd be willing to wager that the state that just legalized racial profiling doesn't place a great onus on "innocent before proven guilty". He was probably done for as soon as he was pulled over, one way or another.

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#65 wangtaco
June 08 2010, 07:10PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Sorry Ogden, I thought Curious' quote would've been captured in my reply too; that's really what I was responding to.

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#66 Deaner
June 08 2010, 07:40PM
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Just watched his yearly highlights, pretty cool i must admit. But the only way he does those sick dangles and fights off people is because he is using the big ice to his advantage.

Personally i don't think he will have enough room do complete half of those moves here, in North America. That is why i see him going to the AHL for at least the first little bit of this year to sort of re-invent his game.

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#67 Curious
June 08 2010, 08:16PM
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@Ender

I agree totally. I hope they throw the book at him and he dont get to go to the US again because of a criminal record. He needs to be taught a lesson.

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#69 Eddie Shore
June 08 2010, 10:25PM
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The Swallow wrote:

This Omark compilation is new to me, it has about 8000 views so maybe it's new to some of you. It's the best Ive seen, great production for a youtube entry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uCLxJW1bQ&feature=player_embedded

Some dirty goals. My personal favourite is the slapshot on the penalty shot that goes high glove. That would be funny to see in the NHL. Hopefully his game can translate over here onto the smaller ice.

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#70 Eetu Huisman
June 09 2010, 02:45AM
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Individual highlights are nice, but collections like this show the true talent of Omark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWQPoOH2Rw.

Now, is there a way the Oilers could acquire Johan Harju from the Lightning? You can't teach chemistry...

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#71 necrobot
June 09 2010, 05:43AM
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@Matt Henderson

I think they're some what simular. Omark ranked second on team sweden in the 2009 IIHF WC in points. He finished 11th overall. He also placed 4th overall in that tournament for apples. He didn't achieve the same result this year. Saying that, both Omark and MPS have had atleast one awesome year playing against a selection of NHLers and the "elite" from european leagues.

Could you really stop with the small player being the only argument you can use against him though? He plays hard on the puck. He plays without fear. Actually having watched watched a selection of SEL and KHL games including Omark, he doesn't play small or lazy by any means.

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@Jason Gregor

If what Stauffer says is true we should know by the 16th where our coaching situation stands.

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#73 madjam
June 09 2010, 08:19AM
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I see S. Sullivan is still alive and well in Nashville despite having probably runs by his own teammate Weber .

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#74 Rusty Duggan
June 09 2010, 08:37AM
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How does your site not recognize three of my accounts that I've set up ?

Keeps telling me I don't exist, lol...maybe I don't.

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#75 madjam
June 09 2010, 08:38AM
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Time to assess T.Hall and his attributes as we get closer to drafting him . What can/should we expect from him other than being a phenom at or above even Crosby , Ovechkin , Malkin , Stamkos , etc.? His credential package is as good, if not better, in consistency than all the rest . Everytime the kid needs to up his game ,he succeeds in doing so, and distance himself from the other elite company he performs in .

If any talent this season turns out to be a phenom in the future , it will be Hall ,for he has shown the continuous ability to up his game above all others . I like Seguin , but i'm simply not going to pass on a credential package like Hall brings to the forefront . Is taking Seguin , Boston's second first round pick , their next years first round pick and a quality Nhl player good enough to pass up on maybe a phenom in Hall ? I'm not sold down the line it might be . I just don't see any reasonable argument to pass up on Hall .

I'd hate to be a GM that passed up on him if he becomes that phenom , for his credentials point in that direction !

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#76 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 09 2010, 08:39AM
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madjam wrote:

I see S. Sullivan is still alive and well in Nashville despite having probably runs by his own teammate Weber .

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't OD on Adavan before you go to bed.

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#77 Matt Henderson
June 09 2010, 09:18AM
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necrobot wrote:

I think they're some what simular. Omark ranked second on team sweden in the 2009 IIHF WC in points. He finished 11th overall. He also placed 4th overall in that tournament for apples. He didn't achieve the same result this year. Saying that, both Omark and MPS have had atleast one awesome year playing against a selection of NHLers and the "elite" from european leagues.

Could you really stop with the small player being the only argument you can use against him though? He plays hard on the puck. He plays without fear. Actually having watched watched a selection of SEL and KHL games including Omark, he doesn't play small or lazy by any means.

If you dont think his size is a factor in how he adapts his game from Europe to North America then I think you're puting on your blinders.

I generally support smaller players and argue that they can be just as effective as bigger guys, but we're talking about a small player who plays on an ice surface and in a league that benefits small players. He still has to adapt his game. There is a learning process that has to happen.

Forgive me for not being overly excited about a guy who was 24 points behind the leading scorer on his own team and was a -14 in the KHL. The guy was the worst +/- forward on his club. He obviously has some goal scoring flair, but what about the rest of his game? I dont think he starts in the NHL next year.

I'm not saying he wont get there, I'm saying he's 4th (at least) in rookie depth and the Oilers probably wont even have the space to put him in the lineup if the other 3 forwards make the team, which isnt even guaranteed for them.

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#78 Jackie Treehorn
June 09 2010, 09:24AM
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madjam wrote:

Time to assess T.Hall and his attributes as we get closer to drafting him . What can/should we expect from him other than being a phenom at or above even Crosby , Ovechkin , Malkin , Stamkos , etc.? His credential package is as good, if not better, in consistency than all the rest . Everytime the kid needs to up his game ,he succeeds in doing so, and distance himself from the other elite company he performs in .

If any talent this season turns out to be a phenom in the future , it will be Hall ,for he has shown the continuous ability to up his game above all others . I like Seguin , but i'm simply not going to pass on a credential package like Hall brings to the forefront . Is taking Seguin , Boston's second first round pick , their next years first round pick and a quality Nhl player good enough to pass up on maybe a phenom in Hall ? I'm not sold down the line it might be . I just don't see any reasonable argument to pass up on Hall .

I'd hate to be a GM that passed up on him if he becomes that phenom , for his credentials point in that direction !

I hate Boston even thinking of the possibility of taking Hall. It really annoys me that they, and everyone else that matters in Hockey, have him the no-brainer #1 selection and we don't. Do we know something nobody else knows, perhaps that Hall wants no part of Edmonton? What is the deal?

Feels like Boston is the fat rich kid butting in line and trying to get what he wants.

Can it please be Edmonton's time for once? We deserve the best player available, not Boston who acquired the pick through a trade.

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#79 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 09 2010, 09:52AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

I hate Boston even thinking of the possibility of taking Hall. It really annoys me that they, and everyone else that matters in Hockey, have him the no-brainer #1 selection and we don't. Do we know something nobody else knows, perhaps that Hall wants no part of Edmonton? What is the deal?

Feels like Boston is the fat rich kid butting in line and trying to get what he wants.

Can it please be Edmonton's time for once? We deserve the best player available, not Boston who acquired the pick through a trade.

I don't think anyone that matters in hockey has Hall as a no-brainer #1. At best it's a saw-off. If both players are equal, you draft according to position. The Oil have plenty of wingers on the depth chart, but no bona fide #1 centremen.

Boston has the opposite problem, and really needs someone to flank Savard. It shouldn't be a mystery why Boston wants Hall.

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#80 BUCK75
June 09 2010, 09:58AM
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@madjam

That body checking study the University of Calgary did would scare the sh*t out of me when you look at Taylor Hall.

Is he super talented? Yes

Does he get creamed often? Yes

Chances are he has had a ton of concussions already if 12 year old kids are having to retire because of their concussion symptoms.

They have 2 different skill sets, but when long term health comes into the equation I would rather take the guy who doesn't get snot bubbles 4 times a year.

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#81 Traktor
June 09 2010, 10:01AM
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Everything about Omark reminds me of Kris Versteeg. He might have to play 20-40 games in the AHL but I'm expect a 20-25 goal, 50 point guy once he gets in the NHL.

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#82 OILERSORDEATH
June 09 2010, 10:03AM
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I really dont think T.Hall is that stupid to not want to play in Edmonton. right now its all mind games between Edmonton and Boston. Its got to be a no brainer the Oilers will take Hall. If Boston really wants him that bad, then I'm sure there will be a deal. Either way we come out on top whether we take hall or Boston throws in a top 6 forward and the #2 pick and maybe more.

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#83 Senator Theo
June 09 2010, 10:28AM
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madjam wrote:

Time to assess T.Hall and his attributes as we get closer to drafting him . What can/should we expect from him other than being a phenom at or above even Crosby , Ovechkin , Malkin , Stamkos , etc.? His credential package is as good, if not better, in consistency than all the rest . Everytime the kid needs to up his game ,he succeeds in doing so, and distance himself from the other elite company he performs in .

If any talent this season turns out to be a phenom in the future , it will be Hall ,for he has shown the continuous ability to up his game above all others . I like Seguin , but i'm simply not going to pass on a credential package like Hall brings to the forefront . Is taking Seguin , Boston's second first round pick , their next years first round pick and a quality Nhl player good enough to pass up on maybe a phenom in Hall ? I'm not sold down the line it might be . I just don't see any reasonable argument to pass up on Hall .

I'd hate to be a GM that passed up on him if he becomes that phenom , for his credentials point in that direction !

Ok, It's always a bit tricky to figure out what you are saying at the best of times, but I just wanted to make sure I understand this before I comment.

Are you really saying that we should *expect* Hall to be a better player than Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, and Stamkos?

Why not Gretzky and Lemieux as well? How about all of them rolled up into one player? Is that what we're dealing with here, in your opinion?

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#84 Jackie Treehorn
June 09 2010, 10:38AM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

These wingers you speak of, are they the disgruntled Penner and Hemsky... that have one year left on the contract?

So a 30th place team drafts based on need because our depth chart is full at wing? ....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...wait .....again hahhahahahahahahahahhahahah hah ha hah ha

There is only controversy in the media, not behind closed doors. The old Stauffer would be yelling at the top of his lungs to draft Hall over Seguin.

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#85 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 09 2010, 10:52AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

These wingers you speak of, are they the disgruntled Penner and Hemsky... that have one year left on the contract?

So a 30th place team drafts based on need because our depth chart is full at wing? ....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...wait .....again hahhahahahahahahahahhahahah hah ha hah ha

There is only controversy in the media, not behind closed doors. The old Stauffer would be yelling at the top of his lungs to draft Hall over Seguin.

The old Stauffer was also "Philosophically opposed to the way Graig McTavish coaches" ... so I wouldn't exactly use his opinion as the be all, end all.

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#86 Jackie Treehorn
June 09 2010, 10:54AM
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@Jackie Treehorn

Seguin supporters are putting all their faith in what they've been told, not from what they've seen. Are you guys gamblers?

Seguin before Hall may turn out better down the road, but initially it would be nothing more than a risky gamble.

BPA all the time, every time.

Projecting Seguin to be better over Hall long term seems pompous at the very least, based on the player's accomplishments.

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#87 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 09 2010, 10:55AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

These wingers you speak of, are they the disgruntled Penner and Hemsky... that have one year left on the contract?

So a 30th place team drafts based on need because our depth chart is full at wing? ....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...wait .....again hahhahahahahahahahahhahahah hah ha hah ha

There is only controversy in the media, not behind closed doors. The old Stauffer would be yelling at the top of his lungs to draft Hall over Seguin.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I said that they're drafting based on BPA. If the BPA is a draw, why not pick based on some arbitrary distinction between the two? You could just as easily pick based on ability to grow a playoff beard, but drafting by position as a tie-breaker is arguably more relevant.

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#88 It's Hall Over!!!
June 09 2010, 10:58AM
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@Ogden Kings 'n' Pretty Things

"At best it's a saw-off"

Says who?

According to Stuaffer and Bob Mackenzie, almost all the scouts have Hall #1. As do 4 out of the 5 major scouting agencies.

Yes, it is close. But they are clearly not equal. It would be a mistake to draft based on position need.

And last time I checked, the Oilers don't have a bona fide #1 winger. So is that not a need?

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#89 Jackie Treehorn
June 09 2010, 11:01AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

"The old Stauffer was also "Philosophically opposed to the way Graig McTavish coaches" ... so I wouldn't exactly use his opinion as the be all, end all."

Not sure what you meant about Bob, but I've been listening to him since day one, so I know how to take him. It sounds like Bob has the old management choke hold going on.

BPA based on what....his two memorial cups, or his two mvp rings? Or Seguin OHL of the year award?

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#90 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 09 2010, 11:01AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

Seguin supporters are putting all their faith in what they've been told, not from what they've seen. Are you guys gamblers?

Seguin before Hall may turn out better down the road, but initially it would be nothing more than a risky gamble.

BPA all the time, every time.

Projecting Seguin to be better over Hall long term seems pompous at the very least, based on the player's accomplishments.

Actually, I think you're being awfully pompous in your assessment of the situation. You don't know who they're going to pick because they haven't told you (or anyone else for that matter).

Gregor and Brownlee, who are a lot more tuned-in to the Oilers than you are, seem to suggest that the Oilers are leaning toward Seguin. You can say that you think Hall is the BPA, but you don't know who they're going to pick.

Feel free to correct me. I'm sure we'd all love to hear it. Be sure to include your source when you do, though.

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#91 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
June 09 2010, 11:04AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

"The old Stauffer was also "Philosophically opposed to the way Graig McTavish coaches" ... so I wouldn't exactly use his opinion as the be all, end all."

Not sure what you meant about Bob, but I've been listening to him since day one, so I know how to take him. It sounds like Bob has the old management choke hold going on.

BPA based on what....his two memorial cups, or his two mvp rings? Or Seguin OHL of the year award?

I mean "Stauffer screaming at the top of his lungs" is irrelevant. Who cares who he thinks we should pick.

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#92 Matt Henderson
June 09 2010, 11:04AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

Seguin supporters are putting all their faith in what they've been told, not from what they've seen. Are you guys gamblers?

Seguin before Hall may turn out better down the road, but initially it would be nothing more than a risky gamble.

BPA all the time, every time.

Projecting Seguin to be better over Hall long term seems pompous at the very least, based on the player's accomplishments.

The Ontario Hockey League Coaches didnt think Hall was the best player this year. They gave that honour to Seguin. The CHL didnt give Hall the best prospect honours, that was Seguin.

Hall is not the slam dunk BPA. The fact you are so convinced that it is a one horse race proves only that you own a TV and are too lazy to research anything for yourself.

I dont know who WILL be the best player, but I'm not so gullible to think that Seguin cant possibly be as good because I didnt see him on Sportsnet or TSN this year.

It isnt pompous to project Seguin over Hall. With one year less experience in the OHL he matched Hall's production and became the better goalscorer on a far inferior team. What's pompous is thinking that the player the OHL coaches thought was better than Hall is clearly and unquestionably not as good as the kid that came runner-up.

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#93 Jackie Treehorn
June 09 2010, 11:07AM
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@Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things

I see what your saying, and it makes sense. If they're equal that is. If your convinced they're equal, well than go for it. I don't think Seguin convinced people MORE than Hall did for a split second.

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#94 yegCopywriter
June 09 2010, 11:08AM
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It's Hall Over!!! wrote:

@Ogden Kings 'n' Pretty Things

"At best it's a saw-off"

Says who?

According to Stuaffer and Bob Mackenzie, almost all the scouts have Hall #1. As do 4 out of the 5 major scouting agencies.

Yes, it is close. But they are clearly not equal. It would be a mistake to draft based on position need.

And last time I checked, the Oilers don't have a bona fide #1 winger. So is that not a need?

Both Penner (32 goals) and Hemsky (point per game) are bona fide #1 wingers. Pick a sample of NHL teams and look at what their #1 wingers produced. No better.

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#95 Jackie Treehorn
June 09 2010, 11:12AM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

The Ontario Hockey League Coaches didnt think Hall was the best player this year. They gave that honour to Seguin. The CHL didnt give Hall the best prospect honours, that was Seguin.

Hall is not the slam dunk BPA. The fact you are so convinced that it is a one horse race proves only that you own a TV and are too lazy to research anything for yourself.

I dont know who WILL be the best player, but I'm not so gullible to think that Seguin cant possibly be as good because I didnt see him on Sportsnet or TSN this year.

It isnt pompous to project Seguin over Hall. With one year less experience in the OHL he matched Hall's production and became the better goalscorer on a far inferior team. What's pompous is thinking that the player the OHL coaches thought was better than Hall is clearly and unquestionably not as good as the kid that came runner-up.

Slow down the Oilernation Policeman. I've read your stuff here a lot and you can really be abrasive in a passive aggressive way, but at least you back your stuff up; I just wish your weren't such a douche about it.

I done my research and I've made my decision oh and guess what Arch(the great one), I'm entitled to my opinion.

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#96 madjam
June 09 2010, 11:21AM
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BUCK75 wrote:

That body checking study the University of Calgary did would scare the sh*t out of me when you look at Taylor Hall.

Is he super talented? Yes

Does he get creamed often? Yes

Chances are he has had a ton of concussions already if 12 year old kids are having to retire because of their concussion symptoms.

They have 2 different skill sets, but when long term health comes into the equation I would rather take the guy who doesn't get snot bubbles 4 times a year.

Usually i'm the guy most of Oiler nation seems to think i speak negatively . On the contrary . I speak negatively when i see things happening that make us weaker . For years now we have continually filled holes in lineup with less talent than what we receive in return . I see little to nothing positive from that . Thats not being negative , thats being realistic and telling like it is .

We have not got from where we are , doing the positive things necessary to breed the type of optimism that leads to positive reinforcement . I am not nearly as negative as some of you seem to imply . I also see very few as positive as i am in some of the talent we may have, or in my assessment of Hall or Omark for that matter .

Telling things like they are and revisiting and acknowleding past errors should make this transition faster and better for us . To ignor it, even though it is sensitive to some , is not a step in the right direction to begin with . I look at all the comments of those that praise all the past downgrades and ask myself just who is negative one here , when they are the ones choosing the negative effects of those downgrades over existing upgrades that were already on roster /place?

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#97 Matt Henderson
June 09 2010, 11:22AM
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Jackie Treehorn wrote:

Slow down the Oilernation Policeman. I've read your stuff here a lot and you can really be abrasive in a passive aggressive way, but at least you back your stuff up; I just wish your weren't such a douche about it.

I done my research and I've made my decision oh and guess what Arch(the great one), I'm entitled to my opinion.

"I'm entitled to my opinion."

Weak.

At least indulge me (the great one, apparently). You've done the research and made your decision. You wanted to engage in conversation about Hall vs Seguin. You think Hall is the hands down BPA, at least explain why you think that before taking the "I'm entitled to my opinion." route.

Call me a douche if you want, you wont be the last, but you came out swinging with:

"Seguin supporters are putting all their faith in what they've been told, not from what they've seen. Are you guys gamblers?"

and

"So a 30th place team drafts based on need because our depth chart is full at wing? ....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...wait .....again hahhahahahahahahahahhahahah hah ha hah ha"

You've gotta expect at least one person to come back at you with the other side of the argument.

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#98 Oil_Loc8or
June 09 2010, 11:40AM
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I believe other NHL teams ( down south ) would pick Hall over Seguin because he is exciting to watch, a city like Edmonton home of the Nation can appreciate a skilled all round player like Seguin.

I don't believe in drafting by position. Is it harder for a center to move to the wing ?I don't think so. If Seguin doesn't pan out at the dot, we have a winger that has so far been comparable to Hall. We draft Seguin we win the draft. ~ Now the Nation has a policeman hahaha ~

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#99 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
June 09 2010, 11:46AM
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Constable Archaeologuy?

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#100 Matt Henderson
June 09 2010, 11:50AM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Constable Archaeologuy?

When can I get my Stun Gun from Bingofuel?

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