The Calder

Lowetide
July 12 2010 08:19AM

The Edmonton Oilers are extremely likely to have a strong rookie-of-the-year candidate in 2010-11. They have three outstanding prospects (Magnus Pääjärvi, Jordan Eberle, Chipper Jones) and enough job openings to make one believe anything is possible.

Some coaches/managers dole out minutes to rookies with a thimble, others are more generous. They key is being "NHL ready" which is something Oilers rookie forwards have rarely been over the last decade. Ales Hemsky came to the show early because the organization felt he could learn more in the NHL than playing another season in the Q. Sam Gagner arrived in TC fall 2007 fresh from an international tournament and weeks ahead of many others in terms of conditioning.

Craig MacTavish didn't have a lot of "big minutes" rookies during his Edmonton coaching career. Here are his forwards, with their total time-on-ice in rookie seasons.

  1. Sam Gagner (07-08) 1238:31
  2. Andrew Cogliano (07-08) 1112:17
  3. Kyle Brodziak (07-08) 1033:24
  4. Jarret Stoll (03-04) 945:18
  5. Patrick Thoresen (06-07) 776:33
  6. Ales Hemsky (02-03) 712:12
  7. Jason Chimera (02-03) 710:06
  8. Marc Pouliot (06-07) 600:12
  9. Dom Pittis (00-01) 506:13
  10. Liam Reddox (08-09) 481:39
  11. Brad Winchester (06-07) 476:18
  12. Mike Comrie (00-01) 466:54
  13. Shawn Horcoff (00-01) 452:12
  14. Fernando Pisani (02-03) 375:18
  15. Jean Francois Jacques (06-07) 292:44
  16. Zach Stortini (06-07) 207:27
  17. Brian Swanson (00-01) 174:38
  18. Mike Bishai (03-04) 128:18
  19. Tony Salmlelainen (03-04) 125:27
  20. Michel Riesen (00-01) 118:53
  21. Jani Rita (02-03) 114:26
  22. Steve MacIntyre (08-09) 86:07

There were maybe 5 rookies who got big time playing time (the top 4 and Comrie when he signed) in their rookie seasons. Hemsky was given 153 minutes on the powerplay, a large portion of his rookie season. He was spotted too, meaning his chances of being a strong Calder candidate were dashed by not getting enough at-bats (even with only 712 minutes of ice-time, Hemsky finished 2nd in the NHL in rookie assists, 2002-03).

Of note here are the three rookies who played more than 1,000 minutes in 2007-08. Gagner, Cogliano and Brodziak got a lot of playing time in their first season, although only Gagner got big PP minutes (Cogliano got quite a few too, with Brodziak getting PK time).

Tom Renney handled rookies in a similar way in his time as head coach. In his 4 (well most of 4) seasons with the Rangers, Renney doled out the rookie minutes to forwards thusly:

  1. Brandon Dubinsky (07-08) 1188:59
  2. Dominic Moore (05-06) 1022:28
  3. Petr Prucha (05-06) 931:02
  4. Nigel Dawes (07-08) 792:04
  5. Lauri Korpikoski (08-09) 742:09
  6. Ryan Callahan (07-08) 643:29
  7. Ryan Hollweg (05-06) 376:40

Last season, NHL coaches gave 9 rookie forwards 1000+ minutes of time on ice. The Colorado Avalanche had three of them (Matt Duchene, Ryan O'Reilly, TJ Galiardi) and would probably be the template for this season's Oilers crop up front. Duchene received an enormous amount of PP time and the other two were given extened auditions on the PK. I'm not certain if there's a penalty-killer among the Oilers kids but we'll see.

Finally, which of these kids is most likely to be the frontrunner on his own team? Desjardins NHL equivalenvies give us an educated look at the problem. Desjardins NHLE's have impressive predictive power, but these three young players are very close in terms of potential offense:

  1. Jordan Eberle 22-24-46
  2. Taylor Hall 17-29-46
  3. Magnus Pääjärvi 16-22-38

None of them have shown themselves as "complete" players, offering a wide range of skills and giving the coach a trustworthy option in all areas. If I had to guess which of the three emerges as the strongest Calder candidate, it would be Taylor Hall. First overall means he'll get all kinds of opportunity, his Desjardins NHLE is as impressive as Stamkos at the same age, left-wing is wide open on the Oilers and what better way to signal a new beginning than to see your first overall pick win the Calder the following season. It has "Gilbert Perreault" style appeal, a young organization going in the right direction. Finally, and perhaps most important, he is a "shooter" and that might give him a slight edge on the PP role that might be open for one rookie; however, the other two are no slouches in this department.

The truth is any of these three could win the Calder trophy in 2010-11.

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#51 DC
July 12 2010, 11:13AM
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DC wrote:

Likability doesn't win the Calder, nor does work ethic.

All though work ethic is needed, it is not the deciding factor. Points and playing big minutes are going to win you the Calder.

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#52 DC
July 12 2010, 11:16AM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

Hmm, a lot of people seem to think that the Calder is a lock out of Edmonton... i am not so sure. What about Kadri? He should be playing this year too...right? He might be in the running.

I am not convinced that Edmonton will have the Calder winner, but if i had to choose one of the three to do it, my vote would be on Eberle. This is also assuming that all three play this year.

Scientist didn't you hear, Edmonton is taking the cup this year too. Right after we sign Ilya, and trade for Seguin! Then Gretz un-retires and gets the veteran C that everyone wants.

Complete sarcasm by the way!!

Not towards you though as Kadri could be a good choice.

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#53 I'm a Scientist!
July 12 2010, 11:18AM
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DC wrote:

Scientist didn't you hear, Edmonton is taking the cup this year too. Right after we sign Ilya, and trade for Seguin! Then Gretz un-retires and gets the veteran C that everyone wants.

Complete sarcasm by the way!!

Not towards you though as Kadri could be a good choice.

It is going to be a *dream* season, that's for sure!

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#54 Matt.N
July 12 2010, 11:21AM
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Good point about Kadri. If the Leafs have a horse in the race, he will run away with the voting.

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#55 DC
July 12 2010, 11:30AM
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Matt.N wrote:

Good point about Kadri. If the Leafs have a horse in the race, he will run away with the voting.

Kadri's biggest advantage is not even his skill. It is that he plays in the east. In the center of the universe on top of that.

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#56 SurfacetoAirMissile
July 12 2010, 11:36AM
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What ever happened to having the players earn their spots on the big club? I think signing Comrie to a one year deal would make for a better competition. Calder...... really? Why don't we let the boys learn to be pros first before lumping these expectations on them. 50 point? 60 points? 70 points? Granted this is coming from a guy who already has a Hall Wallpaper on his desktop...... ok ...... I changed my mind..... Hows about winning the Rocket Richard Trophy?

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#57 Eddie Shore
July 12 2010, 11:40AM
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SurfacetoAirMissile wrote:

What ever happened to having the players earn their spots on the big club? I think signing Comrie to a one year deal would make for a better competition. Calder...... really? Why don't we let the boys learn to be pros first before lumping these expectations on them. 50 point? 60 points? 70 points? Granted this is coming from a guy who already has a Hall Wallpaper on his desktop...... ok ...... I changed my mind..... Hows about winning the Rocket Richard Trophy?

The Calder isn't an expectation... it's a possibility, albeit remote.

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#58 Dirty Thing
July 12 2010, 11:45AM
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All this talk about our big 3 contending for the Calder.... what about Seguin? I think he has a pretty good shot at the calder with his added in extra anger for not being picked by the oilers. I think he's got something to prove.

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#59 DC
July 12 2010, 11:46AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

The Calder isn't an expectation... it's a possibility, albeit remote.

I don't think it is a remote possibility at all. It is an actual REAL possibility. Not saying it is a lock, but #1 overall has to be considered a candidate. Magnus will still win it IMO.

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#60 I'm a Scientist!
July 12 2010, 11:49AM
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@Dirty Thing

IF Seguin plays this year, I agree that he would have a great shot at it. Surrounded by more talented players should elevate his point totals too. I am just not convinced that he starts the year in the big leagues.

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#61 doritogrande
July 12 2010, 12:03PM
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I see Paajarvi getting the Hemsky treatment at the beginning of the year but towards January his maturity (he's been playing against men for 3 years now) will start to show through. Seems like the most "complete" player among the Oilers' 3 rookies, and Renney is the type of coach to reward defensive acumen with increased playing time.

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#62 Tracie
July 12 2010, 12:07PM
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I'm a Scientist! wrote:

@Dirty Thing

IF Seguin plays this year, I agree that he would have a great shot at it. Surrounded by more talented players should elevate his point totals too. I am just not convinced that he starts the year in the big leagues.

Hey Scientist,

If Seguin doesn't start the year in the big leagues, he won't play in the big leagues...he'll have to play the full year in the OHL...you probably know this, having your super computer at all, but just in case you didn't.

Does anyone knows what's happening with contract talks for our RFAs?? I really kinda think we should get Gagner, Brule, etc signed...any news on what the hol dup might be?

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#63 I'm a Scientist!
July 12 2010, 12:10PM
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Tracie wrote:

Hey Scientist,

If Seguin doesn't start the year in the big leagues, he won't play in the big leagues...he'll have to play the full year in the OHL...you probably know this, having your super computer at all, but just in case you didn't.

Does anyone knows what's happening with contract talks for our RFAs?? I really kinda think we should get Gagner, Brule, etc signed...any news on what the hol dup might be?

My SuperComputer has been on the fritz ever since I tried to calculate which player the Oilers should pick... Seguin or Hall. It has never been the same. Sigh.

Thanks for pointing that out. I am not totally aware of things like that and need some learnin'!

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#64 Tracie
July 12 2010, 12:26PM
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@I'm a Scientist!

Anytime my friend! Computers! Sometimes technology ain't so good eh? Hope you get it back up and running!

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#65 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2010, 12:49PM
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SurfacetoAirMissile wrote:

What ever happened to having the players earn their spots on the big club? I think signing Comrie to a one year deal would make for a better competition. Calder...... really? Why don't we let the boys learn to be pros first before lumping these expectations on them. 50 point? 60 points? 70 points? Granted this is coming from a guy who already has a Hall Wallpaper on his desktop...... ok ...... I changed my mind..... Hows about winning the Rocket Richard Trophy?

So you think it's unresonable to discuss the possibility that 3 of the top 10-15 prospects in the world may have a shot at the calder?

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#66 Matt.N
July 12 2010, 12:58PM
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If I was a betting man I would put my money on MTL Defenceman PK Subban, Pittsburgh forward Eric Tangredi (who will get a ton of time on either Sid or Malkins wing) or AHL Rookie of the Year Tyler Ennis with Buffalo to win the Calder.

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#67 DougWeightProblem
July 12 2010, 01:16PM
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Matt.N wrote:

If I was a betting man I would put my money on MTL Defenceman PK Subban, Pittsburgh forward Eric Tangredi (who will get a ton of time on either Sid or Malkins wing) or AHL Rookie of the Year Tyler Ennis with Buffalo to win the Calder.

Didn't Ennis qualify for rookie status with his play at the end of last year leading up to the playoffs?

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#68 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 12 2010, 01:16PM
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Matt.N wrote:

If I was a betting man I would put my money on MTL Defenceman PK Subban, Pittsburgh forward Eric Tangredi (who will get a ton of time on either Sid or Malkins wing) or AHL Rookie of the Year Tyler Ennis with Buffalo to win the Calder.

Subban picked up some tough minutes with MTL, but I wouldn't be putting any money on him any time soon. The two times I've seen him in person playing against the Moose he was unremarkable.

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#69 madjam
July 12 2010, 01:18PM
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Not like i'd yank anybodies chain . It will be pretty tough to ignor Hall hoisting next season's Conn Smyth Award and Eberle eclipsing Selanne's goal scoring rookie season , as the Oilers set new standards around the league for youth and rookies while hoisting the Stanley Cup !

Do i detect any naysayers ? Dream on and set your goals high Oiler fans , for it just might happen .

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#70 Quicksilver ballet
July 12 2010, 01:21PM
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madjam wrote:

Not like i'd yank anybodies chain . It will be pretty tough to ignor Hall hoisting next season's Conn Smyth Award and Eberle eclipsing Selanne's goal scoring rookie season , as the Oilers set new standards around the league for youth and rookies while hoisting the Stanley Cup !

Do i detect any naysayers ? Dream on and set your goals high Oiler fans , for it just might happen .

Its a little early in the day to be drinking madjam, even though it is already 4 pm in Newfoundland.

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#71 SurfacetoAirMissile
July 12 2010, 01:34PM
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The Oil are begining to take shape and there are several roster spots to address and/or wait and see at camp. ie Souray (arghhhh!) 3-way golie party and which players show well at training camp. However, the most exciting portion of the roster to prognosticate is the forward lineup..... even with all the question marks. So here goes nothin.........

1st Line: Penner-Brule-Hemsky If you replace Cogs with Hemsky after the chemistry we got to see between Penner and Brule late last year you gotta think this combo could be great!

2nd Line: Hall-Gagner-Eberle All 3 are young offensively gifted players who could create some chemistry early if given the chance. We all know the Hall-Eberle connection but some forget the connection between Gagner-Kane. Remove Kane and add Hall.... less pressure on the 2nd line for the youngsters.

3rd Line: MPS-Horcoff-Cogs Horcoff should bounce back and to put it nicely I would like to see Horc play no more of an offensive role than 3rd line and 2nd line PP. Cogs will need to up his game if he is gonna get into a more offensive role with the names I penciled in ahead of him. If MPS cracks the lineup then I believe he would benefit from playing with the work ethic of Horc and the speed of Cogs

4th Line: Jacques/Macintyre-Fraser-Stortini/Jones I believe Fraser was brought in for some size down the middle and could move up the lineup if they feel they need some size to go along with the youglings. The balance of the 4th line is pretty much interchangable.

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#72 Matt.N
July 12 2010, 01:38PM
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@ DougWeightProblem

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played any more than 25 games previously in any single season, nor have played in more than six games in two separate preceding seasons in any major professional league.

Ennis played 10 games last year. I am pretty sure he is still eligible.

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#73 DougWeightProblem
July 12 2010, 01:43PM
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Matt.N wrote:

@ DougWeightProblem

To be eligible for the award, a player cannot have played any more than 25 games previously in any single season, nor have played in more than six games in two separate preceding seasons in any major professional league.

Ennis played 10 games last year. I am pretty sure he is still eligible.

25, eh ... fair enough. He certainly played well enough in those ten to be considered a candidate for this year's Calder. I don't know if Lindy Ruff gives him the chance, though. He's pretty old-school.

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#74 SurfacetoAirMissile
July 12 2010, 01:48PM
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@ Original Ogden Brother - Team Hall

It is not unreasonable to GUESS who will win the Calder in July..... Step 1 off season training, add a few pounds of muscle. Step 2 Make is through training camp uninjured and crack the lineup. Step 3 play well enough to stay in the lineup in a top 6 role and plenty of power play time. Step 4 Somehow maintain stamina/strength ratio to be an effective NHLer even though you have never played this many games, at this level, with this much travel and this much expectation..... just sayin it could be a little early and a lot could happen before then and now. What the Heck I will GUESS Hall wins the Calder.

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#75 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 12 2010, 01:56PM
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SurfacetoAirMissile wrote:

@ Original Ogden Brother - Team Hall

It is not unreasonable to GUESS who will win the Calder in July..... Step 1 off season training, add a few pounds of muscle. Step 2 Make is through training camp uninjured and crack the lineup. Step 3 play well enough to stay in the lineup in a top 6 role and plenty of power play time. Step 4 Somehow maintain stamina/strength ratio to be an effective NHLer even though you have never played this many games, at this level, with this much travel and this much expectation..... just sayin it could be a little early and a lot could happen before then and now. What the Heck I will GUESS Hall wins the Calder.

More ground breaking info.

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#76 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 12 2010, 02:38PM
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Anybody see MPS's jersey? Does it have rock dots, or did they anglo it up?

I do a lot of work with drivers licenses, and (sans umlauts), our good friend Magnus would have 'PAEAEJAERVI' on his back - at least according to our naming conventions.

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#77 Alon
July 12 2010, 02:43PM
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Matt.N wrote:

If I was a betting man I would put my money on MTL Defenceman PK Subban, Pittsburgh forward Eric Tangredi (who will get a ton of time on either Sid or Malkins wing) or AHL Rookie of the Year Tyler Ennis with Buffalo to win the Calder.

You know they factor in age and previous NHL experience when deciding on the Calder right? Otherwise Jimmy Howard would have won it this year.

I wouldn't discount Subban, but unless Tangradi or Ennis absolutely run away with the year (similar to what Mason, or OV or Malkin did when they won) the Calder will likely go to someone younger like Subban, Hall or MPS.

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#78 Gregors dirty 'stash
July 12 2010, 02:50PM
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Cam Fowler will win the Calder

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#79 Gregors dirty 'stash
July 12 2010, 02:51PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

Anybody see MPS's jersey? Does it have rock dots, or did they anglo it up?

I do a lot of work with drivers licenses, and (sans umlauts), our good friend Magnus would have 'PAEAEJAERVI' on his back - at least according to our naming conventions.

They have to Anglo i up for all redneck hillbilly white trash Albertans who dont know what that is.

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#80 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 12 2010, 03:04PM
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Gregors dirty 'stash wrote:

They have to Anglo i up for all redneck hillbilly white trash Albertans who dont know what that is.

I may want to pick up a jersey depending on how he does at camp. I wouldn't want to look like an idiot who doesn't know how to spell, ha!

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#81 wangtaco
July 12 2010, 03:35PM
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Wow, late to the party, but I want to give a standing ovation to LT who just delivered a civil, respectful, well written SMACK DOWN to Nate. He's been noticeably absent ever since....

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#82 Doctor Unk
July 12 2010, 03:48PM
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I read the stats on the ice time, but was immediately suspect of the numbers. I'm sure LT got the actual values right, but it doesn't tell enough of the story.

Patrick Thoresen had 776:33 in his rookie year, 64 more minutes than Hemsky's rookie season. OK, great. Hemsky played 59 games for an average of 12:04 TOI compared to Thoresen's 68 games and avg TOI of 11:25.

Even the stats above don't really give a complete picture, as Hemsky was a healthy scratch (according to the Wiki) for the missed games and Thoresen had 5 games in the AHL. I've got no info on where Thoresen spent his time other than the 5 A and 68 N HL games, so he may have missed some due to injury or even just because of flights and whatnot for his transition between the two teams.

Comparing Gagner, Cogliano and Brodziak is fair because they all played a full season of games (79, 82 and 80 respectively). It's fair to compare Winchester and Hemsky as they both played 59 games and only played for the Oilers (Winchester had an avg TOI of 8:04) but this only works if Winchester wasn't injured and therefore unavailable to play.

While I agree that the three rookies have a shot at the Calder if they get the ice time and especially the PP time, we need to look past the raw data and into the circumstances in cases like these.

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#83 Archaeologuy
July 12 2010, 04:02PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWVzeBsFpfQ&feature=topvideos

This cat wins the Calder. It's got Jam and Moxie. It also plays in the East and will get those votes.

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#84 Petr's Jofa
July 12 2010, 04:05PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Its a little early in the day to be drinking madjam, even though it is already 4 pm in Newfoundland.

You're not in NL are you? I'm looking for some people to hang out with 3 am on a random weeknights watching a group of young men lose countless hockey games.

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#85 Lofty
July 12 2010, 04:12PM
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Dirty Thing wrote:

All this talk about our big 3 contending for the Calder.... what about Seguin? I think he has a pretty good shot at the calder with his added in extra anger for not being picked by the oilers. I think he's got something to prove.

He won't play enough

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#86 I'm a Scientist!
July 12 2010, 04:33PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWVzeBsFpfQ&feature=topvideos

This cat wins the Calder. It's got Jam and Moxie. It also plays in the East and will get those votes.

Hmmm, i don't know if i agree with you. His defence is lacking. Sure, he put up a fight, but even with all that jam and moxie, the opposition still got the goal. -1.

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#87 Nate Full of Hate
July 12 2010, 04:37PM
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As I've posted on ON before,

since the 05/06 the average for the top rookie goal scorer & point total is 26.25 & 60.53

(with the exception of Crosby/Ovechkin)

If Taylor Hall is unable to score 27 goals and 33 assists it will be an underwhelming season.

He's got the vet support from Hemsky,Penner,Horcoff and other "young guns".

Hell I'd be thrilled if he manages to play 82 games.

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#88 DC
July 12 2010, 04:39PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWVzeBsFpfQ&feature=topvideos

This cat wins the Calder. It's got Jam and Moxie. It also plays in the East and will get those votes.

Hahaha I thought you were using slang. I was expecting to see a hockey vid. You are right though the cat wins.

EDIT: After further review the it's got jam, and It plays in the east should have been a give away.

EDIT #2: I agree with the guy who said it wouldn't win. The bear got the garbage.

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#89 Quicksilver ballet
July 12 2010, 04:48PM
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Petr's Jofa wrote:

You're not in NL are you? I'm looking for some people to hang out with 3 am on a random weeknights watching a group of young men lose countless hockey games.

The restrictions of my parole after my unfortunate incarceration prevent me from leaving the province of Alberta for the balance of 2010 Petr, but the next time i'm in pursuit of wine,women,song and hockey there's a good chance we may cross paths.

Perhaps in the spring....no?

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#90 Nate Full of Hate
July 12 2010, 04:48PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Oh Nate. I didn't steal it from you, it is an idea that's been out there for a long time. I mentioned it here:

http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2010/06/summer-2010-top-20-prospects.html

but the truth is that someone probably posted it months ago. You and I mulled it over, agreed and then began posting about it.

Right? I mean, we're all influenced by each other, can we agree? And there are a lot of smart folks on the internet.

It has been my experience in life that the guy/girl who came up with the original idea is rarely the one posting about it BEING their idea on the internet. They're original thinkers, and have moved on.

As should we. :-)

I'll continue to be the most polarizing contributor to Oilers Nation and Team1260.

I'm not suggesting the idea was mine first, simply that I've been known to be topical prior to many blogs/comments being made on certain issues.

Keep up the good work, I've got my eye on you.

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#91 Nate Full of Hate
July 12 2010, 04:52PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Oh Nate. I didn't steal it from you, it is an idea that's been out there for a long time. I mentioned it here:

http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2010/06/summer-2010-top-20-prospects.html

but the truth is that someone probably posted it months ago. You and I mulled it over, agreed and then began posting about it.

Right? I mean, we're all influenced by each other, can we agree? And there are a lot of smart folks on the internet.

It has been my experience in life that the guy/girl who came up with the original idea is rarely the one posting about it BEING their idea on the internet. They're original thinkers, and have moved on.

As should we. :-)

I'll continue to be the most polarizing contributor to Oilers Nation and Team1260.

The idea was obviously not mine first, I've simply been known to be topical prior to many blogs being posted as was the case with this one.

If Taylor Hall doesn't score 27 goals and 33 assists it will be an underwhelming season.

The averages for the top rookies are 26.25 & 60.53 as I've posted in prior comments here.

Keep up the good work, I've got my eye on you and I'm not afraid of doing the heavy lifting.

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#92 Nate Full of Hate
July 12 2010, 04:56PM
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wangtaco wrote:

Wow, late to the party, but I want to give a standing ovation to LT who just delivered a civil, respectful, well written SMACK DOWN to Nate. He's been noticeably absent ever since....

Sorry, I had to work wasn't ducking the vicious civil smack...

(mom's basement rent overdue)

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#93 Archaeologuy
July 12 2010, 04:58PM
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Nate Full of Hate wrote:

As I've posted on ON before,

since the 05/06 the average for the top rookie goal scorer & point total is 26.25 & 60.53

(with the exception of Crosby/Ovechkin)

If Taylor Hall is unable to score 27 goals and 33 assists it will be an underwhelming season.

He's got the vet support from Hemsky,Penner,Horcoff and other "young guns".

Hell I'd be thrilled if he manages to play 82 games.

What are the ages of the Top Rookie goal and point scorers over the last decade? How many are 18 is what I'm getting at.

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#94 Nate Full of Hate
July 12 2010, 05:08PM
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The trend would be to play pro hockey prior to being 18 in the case of Ovechkin,Malkin,Backstrom,Kopitar

Most are 19 for sure.

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#95 RossCreekNation
July 12 2010, 05:08PM
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That's a VERY interesting list of MacT's rookie's. Very interesting...

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#96 Nate Full of Hate
July 12 2010, 05:09PM
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All the stats I do are post lockout.

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#97 RossCreekNation
July 12 2010, 05:16PM
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Lets not forget about Omark , whom might be most complete of bunch as well up front . Plante might even emerge on defence ? We certainly have an abundance of youth with credentials we have never seen in the past busting on to the scene at the same time perhaps. Not just one or two either !

Might there even be more added to squad before season starts thru trade, etc.?

Maybe the days of the MERCENARY hockey player fetish is over , or fast closing the doors to them ? More and more clubs are finding the temporary results of adding these Mercenary hockey players have short term gain followed by long term pain . Hossa leaves much devastation behind every where he leaves from if you have noticed , just like Pronger and the likes .

In retrospect, maybe Oilers are better off not picking up some of these Mercenary hockey players , and building with a cheaper more stable draftees with upsides and more cap friendly ? A core that's affordable and reliable to build around . One that you don't have to gut to accommodate the huge contract length and cap shrinkage that the big ticket Mercenary hockey players seem to command .

Will the market for the high priced Mercenary hockey players reduce itself in coming years to their final year of contracts , rather than risk having to keep them and gut your team as several have had to do to accommodate them ? The market place is a changing or reinventing itself slowly thru the cap system .

I wonder if the Calder trophy can be shared by all 3 or more Oiler rookies - a tie in other words ?

Eklund?

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#98 RossCreekNation
July 12 2010, 05:17PM
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Via Ryan Rishaug's twitter...

Oilers expected to announce Dubnyk's signing tonite.. one way deal, 2 years 800k per

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#99 Jason Gregor
July 12 2010, 05:20PM
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Oilers will announce later today they have officially signed Dubnyk to two-year deal at $800,000/season...It is a one-way contract.

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#100 Nate Full of Hate
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JDD was a key contributor to the 1st overall pick. Without his ability to allow a goal on the first shot or in the last minute, how will Edmonton finish 25th or worse this year?

epic fail! Bring back Sully..

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