THOUGHTS DE LA GREGOR..UPDATED

Jason Gregor
July 13 2010 09:57AM

 

What does it mean that Devan Dubnyk signed before Jeff Deslauriers? How much will Gilbert Brule be asking for in arbitration? Should it really cost $12.5 million to get a leader?

Dubnyk signed a one-way, two-year deal worth $800,000/season and many are speculating this signals the end of Jeff Deslauriers as an Oiler. Since the end of the season I thought the Oilers would go with DD instead of JDD as the back up in 2010/2011, and I still do, but I don’t think this signing guarantees that.

Deslauriers has filed for arbitration and his case is scheduled to go August 4th, unless he and the Oilers reach an agreement before then. Deslauriers is in a tough spot. If he wins his case with a contract of more than one million the Oilers can just walk away from the ruling and he will become an UFA .

The problem with that scenario is that by August 4th most teams will have two or possibly three goalies locked up, so I’ll be stunned if Deslauriers doesn’t agree to a contract before then. 

The other interesting angle for him is that Nikolai Khabibulin’s court date is July 22nd, and the Oilers will know what punishment their veteran will be awarded. If they throw the book at Khabibulin (which I doubt they will) then maybe they keep both the kids.

If Deslauriers can get a one-year, one-way deal from the Oilers he will almost surely take it. He’ll get something similar to Dubnyk, if not a bit less.

BRULE AND JACQUES ALSO ARBITRATION BOUND

Twenty one players filed for arbitration and the three were Oilers. Brule and J.F Jacques have also filed, but I’d expect Jacques to get a contract before his July 21st arbitration date.

Update: JF Jacques has signed a one-year deal worth $615,000. He won't be going to arbitration.

Jacques’ back is progressing nicely and if he can stay healthy he is good bargain at that price. After years of struggling to find his niche on the team, he finally realized he needs to be physical. Despite only playing 49 games he led the Oilers in hits with 158. Only Zach Stortini (144) and Gilbert Brule (115) had more than 100 hits. Jacques’ +/- wasn’t good, but his mix of size and speed makes him appealing for at least another year.

Brule’s case is set for August 3rd, and he has the best case and will be looking for around $2 million/season. Brule was 2nd on the Oilers in goals, 17, was one of only two players to be in double digits with five-on-five goals, 15, and was tied for the team lead with three GW goals.

In many arbitration cases teams have argued that PP goals are less important, so Brule’s camp will be using his strong EV production in their favour. I’m not sure what the Oilers will be offering, but Brule has a solid case and could be the first Oiler since Jason Smith in 2002 to go before an arbitrator.

COSTLY LEADERSHIP?

Ryan Rishaug from TSN and Brownlee are both in favour of bringing back Ryan Smyth. Their argument that his leadership and work ethic is exactly what the young Oiler forwards need to see is a valid one, but I wonder if the he is worth it. 

Smyth has a $6.25 million cap hit for two more years, but he gets paid $5.5 million next year and $4.5 million in his final year. That’s a lot to pay a guy just because you think he’ll be a good influence on the young guys.

His work ethic and desire will never be questioned, but how much does he have left to contribute on the ice? 43% of his career goals have come on the powerplay, but do you want him to play more than Dustin Penner and Taylor Hall on the PP? 

The Oilers could put Smyth beside Shawn Horcoff and use them as a checking/scoring line so the likes of Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Gilbert Brule and Sam Gagner could get easier minutes, but if they don’t produce then you’re paying $11.75 million to be defensive. That’s too rich for my blood.

The Oilers would be doing cartwheels if they could land Smyth for Sheldon Souray, but there is no way Dean Lombardi makes that deal even if the Kings sign Ilya Kovalchuk. They’d rather keep Smyth’s contract than take on Souray’s, because the Kings young guys would benefit more from having Smyth around.

I respect Smyth’s game, and his passion and tireless effort would be a great example for the young kids, but his contract combined with lots of hard miles on his body make him more of a risk than a reward in my mind.

ARBITRATION CASES

Here is the list of players who filed for arbitration along with their hearing date.

Jared Boll v. Columbus Blue July 20th

Derek Meech v. Detroit July 20th

Jannik Hansen v. Vancouver July 20th

Daniel Carcill v. Philadelphip July 21st

J.F Jacques v. Edmonton July 21st

Clark MacArthur v. Atlanta July 21st

Gregory Campbell v. Boston July 22nd

Nate Thompson v. Tampa Bay July 22nd

Fabian Brunnstrom v. Dallas July 23rd

Brad Richardson v. Los Angeles July 23rd

Mason Raymond v. Vancouver July 26th

Matt Moulson v. NYI July 27th

Blake Wheeler v. Boston July 27th

Tim Kennedy v. Buffalo July 27th

Anton Stralman v. Columbus July 28th

Tomas Fleischmann v. Washington July 28th

Patrick Kaleta v. Buffalo July 29th

Andrew Ladd v. Atlanta July 29th A

ntti Niemi v. Chicago July 29th

Ian White v. Calgary July 30th

Mark Fraser v. New Jersey July 30th

Peter Regin v. Ottawa July 30th

Gilbert Brule v. Edmonton August 3rd

James Wisniewshi v. Anaheim August 3rd

Ben Eager v. Atlanta August 3rd

Jeff Deslauriers v. Edmonton August 4th

Chris Campoli v. Ottawa August 4th

The most interesting cases, if they go before an arbitrator should be Raymond and the Canucks, Niemi and the Hawks, Moulson and the Islanders, Ladd and the Thrashers and Brule and the Oilers.

Last year five players ended up going to arbitration, Daniel Winnik, Kyle Wellwood, Milan Jurcina, Jiri Hudler and Nikolai Zherdev. The most interesting case was Hudler. Just as the case was starting the Wings agreed to terms Hudler’s camp wanted and paid him $5.75 million over two years, but Hudler had already agree do to go the KHL. I think the Wings were hoping if they agreed to Hudler’s terms then he might return, but that didn’t happen until this summer.

Zherdev’s case had the largest discrepancy heading into it. Zherdev wanted $4.7 million while the Rangers countered with $2.8. The arbitrator awarded Zherdev a one-year deal at $3.9 million, but the Rangers exercised their right to walk away from the ruling and Zherdev ended up signing in the KHL.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#151 DC
July 13 2010, 07:20PM
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I didn't read all the posts but Oilers sign D Shawn Belle. 1 year 2 way deal @ 600K/150K. Edmonton native. Has a fair chance to make the team out of camp. At least we have D depth for OKC.

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#152 Ethan Kortbeek
July 13 2010, 07:20PM
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Keep brule, sign him at 2 a year for 2 or 3 years, because his value is only going to increase. Souray, send him to the minors to start the season, he reports fine, then pay him without the salary cap hit. if he doesn't report then see ya bud. I'm sure the put him on waivers he'll get picked up on re-entry's. Book it.

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#153 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 07:21PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

How did Sean Avery get payed by two teams at the same time ?

"re entry waivers"

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009/03/03/sean-avery.html

Same situation for Souray should the Oilers continue to pursue that route..

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#154 RossCreekNation
July 13 2010, 07:21PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Depth signing in Oilerland...

Jim Matheson, of the Edmonton Journal, reports that the Oil have signed former Blues 1st round pick (and local product) D Shawn Belle to a 1yr deal.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+sign+Dubnyk+Jacques+report/3273473/story.html

"On the surface, it looks like Belle, 25, will be sent Oklahoma City, but he might challenge for the No. 6 defence spot. There’s been a body of thought for some time that Belle might be better served as a winger than as a defenceman with his 233-pound size and skating ability.

Didn't Stauffer call this one a week or two ago?

ASSETS: Owns an impressive physical package and plenty of athleticism for a blueliner. Is willing to make his presence felt with strong hits in the defensive zone.
FLAWS: Lacks the hockey sense required to maximize his potential. Is not a scoring threat at all, despite the tools to do so. Takes a lot of bad penalties.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Toolsy defenseman with holes in his game.

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?3486

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#155 DC
July 13 2010, 07:21PM
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Belle drafted in 1st round 30th overall by the Blues in 2003. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=9470

EDIT: nice post RC

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#156 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 07:27PM
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@RossCreekNation

If all the young kids don't make the big clue, Oklahoma is going to have a good team to watch

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#157 Team Hall
July 13 2010, 07:27PM
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Ya, I love Smytty, would love to see him come back and give the fans something to be happy about, but having Smyth here is not going to push us over the edge to get us into the playoffs, so why bother? Give more PP time to the kids, let them develop, and when they develop we will be ready to bring in a guy like Smytty. We're just not ready for him this year. Spending 6.25M of Katzs money just so he can mentor the kids just isnt enough. IMO>

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#158 Tapdog
July 13 2010, 07:27PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

How did Sean Avery get payed by two teams at the same time ?

Waiver recall.

All set up so NYR could take back Avery, with Dallas paying half the salary.

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#159 TigerUnderGlass
July 13 2010, 07:48PM
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Ducey wrote:

In this last one Arch's reference to incompetence had nothing to do with the contract he just signed,

You mean other than specifically referencing the contract, that it was just signed, and its amount?

I don't think Arch needs anyone to stand up for him, and if he did, he might want to find someone good at it.

Part of the post referenced the contract. His comment about incompetence did not.

If you cannot tell the difference then you are either functionally retarded or contrary to the point where you no longer make any sense.

No Arch doesn't need someone to stand up for him, but it is difficult for me to refrain from comment when I read something as painfully idiotic as your replies.

Learn to read and comprehend. It will help you in life. If this is difficult try the Sylvan Learning center, I hear they work wonders with people like you.

The funniest part of the whole thing to me is that you just pointed out yourself how wrong you were in this last reply, and you still cannot seem to figure out why, even though it was spelled out to you in detail just minutes before you posted.

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#160 Bucknuck
July 13 2010, 07:49PM
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Hey people I like Brule. I like the way he competes and how his game grew last year.

However...

He is not better than Sam Gagner. Whether you look at stats or just watch the games I don't understand how an argument can be made for that.

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#161 DC
July 13 2010, 07:51PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Hey people I like Brule. I like the way he competes and how his game grew last year.

However...

He is not better than Sam Gagner. Whether you look at stats or just watch the games I don't understand how an argument can be made for that.

Agreed!

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#162 Senator Theo
July 13 2010, 07:54PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

ASSETS: Owns an impressive physical package and plenty of athleticism for a blueliner. Is willing to make his presence felt with strong hits in the defensive zone.
FLAWS: Lacks the hockey sense required to maximize his potential. Is not a scoring threat at all, despite the tools to do so. Takes a lot of bad penalties.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Toolsy defenseman with holes in his game.

http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?3486

I think I might start to describe people as "toolsy"...I like that.

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#163 madjam
July 13 2010, 07:57PM
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Ender wrote:

Madjam? Is that you?

It's not me that wants retreads , overpaid talent and ex Oilers back in any package . I want fresh faces , youth , futures and draft picks preferably ! I want new hope, not old hope, with plenty of cap space open to build upon .

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#164 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 07:58PM
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DC wrote:

Agreed!

Is this because you like Gagner better ? You didn't give a reason. At least people gave reasons for picking Brule over Gagner.

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#165 TigerUnderGlass
July 13 2010, 08:11PM
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Senator Theo wrote:

I think I might start to describe people as "toolsy"...I like that.

I'm not even entirely sure what it's supposed to mean, but I like it too.

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#167 Bob Cob
July 13 2010, 08:31PM
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I like the signing of Belle, as I see it the Oilers top four will be Gilbert, Whitney, Foster and Smid. Vandermeer will probably be number 5, and that leaves a mix of Strudwick, Belle, and hopefully Peckham to battle it out for number six.

How does this move affect the Souray situation? I know they wont get alot in return but could they get a 3rd line center plus something for Souray?

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#168 SirFozz
July 13 2010, 08:34PM
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Senator Theo wrote:

I think I might start to describe people as "toolsy"...I like that.

The great thing about toolsy is it can be positive or negative. "Real toolsy defenseman" vs "who that moron? what a toolsy". See!

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#169 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 08:36PM
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SirFozz wrote:

The great thing about toolsy is it can be positive or negative. "Real toolsy defenseman" vs "who that moron? what a toolsy". See!

Tardsie has a much more negative tone to it, catchy none the less.

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#170 RossCreekNation
July 13 2010, 08:49PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

I like the signing of Belle, as I see it the Oilers top four will be Gilbert, Whitney, Foster and Smid. Vandermeer will probably be number 5, and that leaves a mix of Strudwick, Belle, and hopefully Peckham to battle it out for number six.

How does this move affect the Souray situation? I know they wont get alot in return but could they get a 3rd line center plus something for Souray?

Jochen Hecht?

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#171 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 08:54PM
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Why is it since the Flames brought back former players the Oilers will ?

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#172 a lg dubl dubl
July 13 2010, 09:09PM
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why do ppl insist that the oil NEED a 3rd line center, they have 1 in horcoff or even cogliano if need be so unless tambo works some sorta vodoo on burke and trades horcoff to the lafs for kaberle hes the 3c get over it geeze lol

o and i still think IMO that ST should make souray come back and play, 5 magic beans says souray plays with a chip on his shoulder and lights the lamp for at least 15-20 this year

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#173 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 09:12PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

Why is it since the Flames brought back former players the Oilers will ?

Huh?

The Oilers bring back Comrie and the Flamers broughth back Jokinen... point?

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#174 Milli
July 13 2010, 09:14PM
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Is Jokinnen available!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#175 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 09:17PM
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Nate Full of Hate wrote:

Huh?

The Oilers bring back Comrie and the Flamers broughth back Jokinen... point?

May be all the talk about Smyth and Stoll ? Jokinen and Tanguay..

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#176 a lg dubl dubl
July 13 2010, 09:19PM
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this just in calgary brings back vernon and the oil bring back fuhr lmao

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#177 RossCreekNation
July 13 2010, 09:20PM
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Curious where negotiations are with Brule. I'm a fan of his. How would either side feel about a 2 yr, $3.95M deal ($1.975M per)?

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#178 a lg dubl dubl
July 13 2010, 09:34PM
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@RossCreekNation

you got my vote on that one ross, hes starting to show why he got drafted #2

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#179 Jodes
July 13 2010, 10:06PM
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Strange, trying to listen to 1260 after 8pm tonight and what's coming through my car radio? 630 Ched..

Must be all the strange weather we're having..

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#180 RossCreekNation
July 13 2010, 10:12PM
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@Jodes

Via twitter (around 8:00)...

TheTeam1260:
tower got hit by lightning, we'll be back on-air shortly

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#181 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 13 2010, 10:24PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

the average oiler fan cant stand horcoff and his cap hit.

horcoff putting up 40-50points at 5.5mil = bad

smyth putting up 40-50 points at 6.25mil = not bad?

not meaning to direct this specifically at you, just me musing in general.

i totally 110% agree that smyth is the type of player the oilers need. i dont, however, think that smyth at 6.25mil is the type of player this team needs.

6.25 for a guy on the downside of his career with a fairly substantial injury history? is heart worth 6.25mil?

It's time we (Oiler fans in general) took the next step in our discussion and moved beyond the thought process that it's all about the $. And instead start to take term and current team structure into account as well.

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#182 Jodes
July 13 2010, 11:29PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Via twitter (around 8:00)...

TheTeam1260:
tower got hit by lightning, we'll be back on-air shortly

Thanks man!

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#183 Rogue
July 14 2010, 03:13AM
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Senator Theo wrote:

Agreed - 30 days in jail might not sound like a lot, but I bet it seems like an eternity when everyone's trying to go 5-hole on you in prison.

"Priceless" LMAO

Actually, I have been "toolsy" all week in Thailand.

No to Smyth.Too old for the cash. Was great while he was here but lets not rekindle an old romance. Let kids develop on line 1&2.

Keep Brule. Who knows, maybe he ends up with Hemsky or Gagner. Both are passers and Brule had more finish than anyone else, except DP. He is one of the few players who play "ballsy" on this team, which we lack immensely. Maybe he ends up as a "poor mans" Linseman.

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#184 DougWeightProblem
July 14 2010, 08:19AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

you got my vote on that one ross, hes starting to show why he got drafted #2

He was a #6 overall ...

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#185 OILERSORDEATH
July 14 2010, 05:56PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Curious where negotiations are with Brule. I'm a fan of his. How would either side feel about a 2 yr, $3.95M deal ($1.975M per)?

I think that would be perfect, i really hope he signs soon. Starting to get nervous

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