THOUGHTS DE LA GREGOR..UPDATED

Jason Gregor
July 13 2010 09:57AM

 

What does it mean that Devan Dubnyk signed before Jeff Deslauriers? How much will Gilbert Brule be asking for in arbitration? Should it really cost $12.5 million to get a leader?

Dubnyk signed a one-way, two-year deal worth $800,000/season and many are speculating this signals the end of Jeff Deslauriers as an Oiler. Since the end of the season I thought the Oilers would go with DD instead of JDD as the back up in 2010/2011, and I still do, but I don’t think this signing guarantees that.

Deslauriers has filed for arbitration and his case is scheduled to go August 4th, unless he and the Oilers reach an agreement before then. Deslauriers is in a tough spot. If he wins his case with a contract of more than one million the Oilers can just walk away from the ruling and he will become an UFA .

The problem with that scenario is that by August 4th most teams will have two or possibly three goalies locked up, so I’ll be stunned if Deslauriers doesn’t agree to a contract before then. 

The other interesting angle for him is that Nikolai Khabibulin’s court date is July 22nd, and the Oilers will know what punishment their veteran will be awarded. If they throw the book at Khabibulin (which I doubt they will) then maybe they keep both the kids.

If Deslauriers can get a one-year, one-way deal from the Oilers he will almost surely take it. He’ll get something similar to Dubnyk, if not a bit less.

BRULE AND JACQUES ALSO ARBITRATION BOUND

Twenty one players filed for arbitration and the three were Oilers. Brule and J.F Jacques have also filed, but I’d expect Jacques to get a contract before his July 21st arbitration date.

Update: JF Jacques has signed a one-year deal worth $615,000. He won't be going to arbitration.

Jacques’ back is progressing nicely and if he can stay healthy he is good bargain at that price. After years of struggling to find his niche on the team, he finally realized he needs to be physical. Despite only playing 49 games he led the Oilers in hits with 158. Only Zach Stortini (144) and Gilbert Brule (115) had more than 100 hits. Jacques’ +/- wasn’t good, but his mix of size and speed makes him appealing for at least another year.

Brule’s case is set for August 3rd, and he has the best case and will be looking for around $2 million/season. Brule was 2nd on the Oilers in goals, 17, was one of only two players to be in double digits with five-on-five goals, 15, and was tied for the team lead with three GW goals.

In many arbitration cases teams have argued that PP goals are less important, so Brule’s camp will be using his strong EV production in their favour. I’m not sure what the Oilers will be offering, but Brule has a solid case and could be the first Oiler since Jason Smith in 2002 to go before an arbitrator.

COSTLY LEADERSHIP?

Ryan Rishaug from TSN and Brownlee are both in favour of bringing back Ryan Smyth. Their argument that his leadership and work ethic is exactly what the young Oiler forwards need to see is a valid one, but I wonder if the he is worth it. 

Smyth has a $6.25 million cap hit for two more years, but he gets paid $5.5 million next year and $4.5 million in his final year. That’s a lot to pay a guy just because you think he’ll be a good influence on the young guys.

His work ethic and desire will never be questioned, but how much does he have left to contribute on the ice? 43% of his career goals have come on the powerplay, but do you want him to play more than Dustin Penner and Taylor Hall on the PP? 

The Oilers could put Smyth beside Shawn Horcoff and use them as a checking/scoring line so the likes of Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Gilbert Brule and Sam Gagner could get easier minutes, but if they don’t produce then you’re paying $11.75 million to be defensive. That’s too rich for my blood.

The Oilers would be doing cartwheels if they could land Smyth for Sheldon Souray, but there is no way Dean Lombardi makes that deal even if the Kings sign Ilya Kovalchuk. They’d rather keep Smyth’s contract than take on Souray’s, because the Kings young guys would benefit more from having Smyth around.

I respect Smyth’s game, and his passion and tireless effort would be a great example for the young kids, but his contract combined with lots of hard miles on his body make him more of a risk than a reward in my mind.

ARBITRATION CASES

Here is the list of players who filed for arbitration along with their hearing date.

Jared Boll v. Columbus Blue July 20th

Derek Meech v. Detroit July 20th

Jannik Hansen v. Vancouver July 20th

Daniel Carcill v. Philadelphip July 21st

J.F Jacques v. Edmonton July 21st

Clark MacArthur v. Atlanta July 21st

Gregory Campbell v. Boston July 22nd

Nate Thompson v. Tampa Bay July 22nd

Fabian Brunnstrom v. Dallas July 23rd

Brad Richardson v. Los Angeles July 23rd

Mason Raymond v. Vancouver July 26th

Matt Moulson v. NYI July 27th

Blake Wheeler v. Boston July 27th

Tim Kennedy v. Buffalo July 27th

Anton Stralman v. Columbus July 28th

Tomas Fleischmann v. Washington July 28th

Patrick Kaleta v. Buffalo July 29th

Andrew Ladd v. Atlanta July 29th A

ntti Niemi v. Chicago July 29th

Ian White v. Calgary July 30th

Mark Fraser v. New Jersey July 30th

Peter Regin v. Ottawa July 30th

Gilbert Brule v. Edmonton August 3rd

James Wisniewshi v. Anaheim August 3rd

Ben Eager v. Atlanta August 3rd

Jeff Deslauriers v. Edmonton August 4th

Chris Campoli v. Ottawa August 4th

The most interesting cases, if they go before an arbitrator should be Raymond and the Canucks, Niemi and the Hawks, Moulson and the Islanders, Ladd and the Thrashers and Brule and the Oilers.

Last year five players ended up going to arbitration, Daniel Winnik, Kyle Wellwood, Milan Jurcina, Jiri Hudler and Nikolai Zherdev. The most interesting case was Hudler. Just as the case was starting the Wings agreed to terms Hudler’s camp wanted and paid him $5.75 million over two years, but Hudler had already agree do to go the KHL. I think the Wings were hoping if they agreed to Hudler’s terms then he might return, but that didn’t happen until this summer.

Zherdev’s case had the largest discrepancy heading into it. Zherdev wanted $4.7 million while the Rangers countered with $2.8. The arbitrator awarded Zherdev a one-year deal at $3.9 million, but the Rangers exercised their right to walk away from the ruling and Zherdev ended up signing in the KHL.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#101 Racki
July 13 2010, 03:01PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Decent 4th liner. Should have been an easy guy to upgrade though.

Yes, I think Konopka was the best upgrade out there, but the Oil didn't seem to get that one done. Oh well. Asham might be another upgrade too. I'm fine with Jacques though... if it wasn't for his health issues (which almost every guy who plays his kind of role eventually deals with), I think more people would be happy with him being back.

I guess we'll see how well that back holds up.

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#102 TigerUnderGlass
July 13 2010, 03:02PM
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Ducey wrote:

Live up to your name and do some digging.

That contract is right in line with what a 4th line banger with an extensive injury history should make.

Why is it that you always need to attribute negligence or incompetence to the actions of others when you don't agree with, or understand them?

Speaking of not understanding something....

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#103 terran
July 13 2010, 03:02PM
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Ender wrote:

You're probably right about the number of people being happy with DD/JDD as a starting tandem. That they're both a ways away from being a starting NHL goalie aside, you can't give them a free pass for last year because of the Oilers' skaters. A bonafide NHL starter makes sure he absorbs and smothers the puck so that there isn't a second and third whack at it. High rebound totals are only good in the NBA.

Very true. I don't think either is (at this point-maybe not ever) a valid starter. But the fact is these kids were thrown into the deep end and told to swim while the lifeguards (the oilers D) were busy hitting on chicks (Wow, I carried that metaphor way too far).

While they should have absorbed more rebounds, they had no support up front, and often plays ended in a scramble in the goal mouth.

You could see DD getting his confidence back and finding his way by the end of the season. JDD, unfortunately, decided to emulate his hero Hasek, but he doesn't have the talent to pull it off. Hopefully the goalie coach brings the beating stick to training camp this year to drive that inclination out of him.

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#104 Matt Henderson
July 13 2010, 03:10PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

I clearly wronged this man in another life and now he has come back to seek revenge. It happens to me more often than you'd think.

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#105 DougWeightProblem
July 13 2010, 03:18PM
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@terran

"... while the lifeguards (the oilers D) were busy hitting on chicks (Wow, I carried that metaphor way too far)."

... except for Tom Gilbert, right ;-)

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#106 Ender
July 13 2010, 03:18PM
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@Matt Henderson

I don't think it could happen to you more often than I'd think.

;-)

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#107 Hallisimo
July 13 2010, 03:36PM
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Just throwing this out there, but does anyone think chicago would be interested in a Campbell/Sharp for Souray/Cogliano+draft pick type of deal. With the hawks apparently 100k under the cap, they really need to do some shuffling in order to resign neimi and others (seabrook etc). Would oiler fans be alright with taking on campbell and that stupid contract? Just something I could see working for both teams.

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#108 DougWeightProblem
July 13 2010, 03:42PM
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Hallisimo wrote:

Just throwing this out there, but does anyone think chicago would be interested in a Campbell/Sharp for Souray/Cogliano+draft pick type of deal. With the hawks apparently 100k under the cap, they really need to do some shuffling in order to resign neimi and others (seabrook etc). Would oiler fans be alright with taking on campbell and that stupid contract? Just something I could see working for both teams.

I've heard it tossed around (Souray for Campbell), but there is no way I see the Oilers taking Campbell at 7.1 per for 6 more years. That is just too ridiculous.

Edit: Of course, I'm the same guy that thought Cogliano and Brule for Schenn was a good idea, so what do I know ;-)

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#109 Nick Dynasty
July 13 2010, 03:50PM
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Hallisimo wrote:

Just throwing this out there, but does anyone think chicago would be interested in a Campbell/Sharp for Souray/Cogliano+draft pick type of deal. With the hawks apparently 100k under the cap, they really need to do some shuffling in order to resign neimi and others (seabrook etc). Would oiler fans be alright with taking on campbell and that stupid contract? Just something I could see working for both teams.

That Campbell contract is just too huge and too long to take on. I don't think the OIL should be taking on any huge contracts, or offering any for that matter, that run past the next three years since we'll have to re-sign Hall, Eberle, and MPS (assuming they all play this year). If they turn out as we all hope they will it could cost a lot to get them all back. We wouldn't want to end up like Chicago this year when they had to re-sign Toews, Kane, and Keith. The only exception I would make is re-signing Hemmer when his deal is up in 2 years (if he wants to that is).

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#110 Dano
July 13 2010, 04:02PM
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Why would we want to bring Smyth all he'll teach the young fellas is how to hold out on the team like he did twice before. nope........I'm sorry....but he's a Mercenary in my opinion and I could care less were he goes as long as it's not here.

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#111 Pajamah
July 13 2010, 04:02PM
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DougWeightProblem wrote:

I've heard it tossed around (Souray for Campbell), but there is no way I see the Oilers taking Campbell at 7.1 per for 6 more years. That is just too ridiculous.

Edit: Of course, I'm the same guy that thought Cogliano and Brule for Schenn was a good idea, so what do I know ;-)

I wouldn't mind that deal actually.

If teams can trade problem contracts, why can't teams trade extremely bad contracts

If Chicago can't do Campbell for Souray, they can always move him for that overpaid Alaskan piece of sh!t Scott Gomez.

My god how I hate Scott Gomez and his stupid face.

Back to the point though, we've got the cap space, and a $7 million dollar reclamation project can't be taken on by many other teams. At worst, we've improved our 3-4 pairing.

Edit: by "we", "our" etc. I mean the Oilers

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#112 Ducey
July 13 2010, 04:04PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I clearly wronged this man in another life and now he has come back to seek revenge. It happens to me more often than you'd think.

You have not wronged me in any life. Its not personal.

I just called you on two comments where you attacked people's reputations with little to no evidence.

You have made many good, fair comments too. I apologize if I have come across too aggressively in challenging those two instances.

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#113 David S
July 13 2010, 04:19PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

So I take its your goal of this team is to make the playoff and anything less is a failure?

My goal is to be able to watch our team play its guts out for 60 minutes without caving after the first period when it becomes obvious the goalie isn't going to stop a beach ball. I don't think that's too much to ask.

At this stage I don't care if they win, but I DO care if they PLAY to win.

This year's playoffs with Halak backstopping Montreal sure made the case for me that goaltending is a mandatory for a competitive team. I just want our young guys to have a chance to compete. The best way to do that is to give them the chance to win - which is all any athlete can ask for. To my mind, that's how you build a winning team mentality.

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#114 TigerUnderGlass
July 13 2010, 04:26PM
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Ducey wrote:

You have not wronged me in any life. Its not personal.

I just called you on two comments where you attacked people's reputations with little to no evidence.

You have made many good, fair comments too. I apologize if I have come across too aggressively in challenging those two instances.

Perhaps it would go over better if you tried to better comprehend the statements you are attacking.

In this last one Arch's reference to incompetence had nothing to do with the contract he just signed, making your aggressive response appear idiotic instead.

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#115 BBOil
July 13 2010, 04:32PM
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@Hallisimo

RE: Campbell/Sharp for Souray/Cogliano+draft pick

I say no way to this. I actually really like Campbell and Sharp as players, and Campbell's 7mil a year tag doesn't scare me, but the fact that its for another 6 years does.

If Horcoff was involved then maybe you have something. Perhaps Campbell + Huet for Souray + Horcoff + JDD. $$$ and term makes a bit more sense, but it would also be dependent on Khabby's situation, and if Hawks would want a 5mil 4th line center for the next 5yrs.

Actually now that I wrote it, I hate that trade too.

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#116 Ender
July 13 2010, 04:36PM
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Dano wrote:

Why would we want to bring Smyth all he'll teach the young fellas is how to hold out on the team like he did twice before. nope........I'm sorry....but he's a Mercenary in my opinion and I could care less were he goes as long as it's not here.

Madjam? Is that you?

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#117 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 04:46PM
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Smyth? Brewer? who's next Reasoner & Grier?

Rebuild not re acquire...

I like Smyth but the only way I'd be willing to take that $$$ on is at the expense of staggering Jordan Eberle.

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#118 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 13 2010, 04:51PM
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Nate Full of Hate wrote:

Smyth? Brewer? who's next Reasoner & Grier?

Rebuild not re acquire...

I like Smyth but the only way I'd be willing to take that $$$ on is at the expense of staggering Jordan Eberle.

So what bad things are going to happen if 6.25 in cap room are given to Smyth over the next 2 years?

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#119 Ender
July 13 2010, 04:53PM
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Nate Full of Hate wrote:

Smyth? Brewer? who's next Reasoner & Grier?

Rebuild not re acquire...

I like Smyth but the only way I'd be willing to take that $$$ on is at the expense of staggering Jordan Eberle.

Reasoner can come back to my team any time he wants to. The other three can stay where they are, rest their souls.

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#120 Matt Henderson
July 13 2010, 05:10PM
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@Ducey

I called out (in jest) a possibly fictitious trainer based on possibly fictitious comments relayed by an anonymous commenter, and a player agent that convinced his fringe NHL client to demand salary arbitration even though it would more than likely have ended JFJ's NHL career, assuming the Oilers would likely have walked away from a "favourable" contract.

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#121 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 05:12PM
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As Gregor said, he'd be taking away PP time at the expense of the kids.

Or you'd have an expensive checking Ryan Smyth. He's a pro and I have no doubt he'd consider trying to reinvent his game.

Injuries are starting to pile up, best to move forward without taking a step back.

Look at the list Defenseman that will be UFA next summer....I'd rather address the need of a shut down guy.

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#122 Ducey
July 13 2010, 05:12PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

In this last one Arch's reference to incompetence had nothing to do with the contract he just signed,

You mean other than specifically referencing the contract, that it was just signed, and its amount?

I don't think Arch needs anyone to stand up for him, and if he did, he might want to find someone good at it.

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#123 LOIL
July 13 2010, 05:14PM
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Hey Arch,

How did you get a personal Oilersnation body guard assigned to you? I want one !

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#124 tkfisher
July 13 2010, 05:27PM
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I'm all for being competative next season and i do love the idea of smyth as a mentor, however i wouldn't be crushed sending all the kids down and getting some stop gap talent in the mean time. Give them time to mature, get stronger, develop and in the mean time if we crash, then awesome. Cause next years 2011 crop would be real nice with a talent like Larrson. http://thepipelineshow.blogspot.com/2010/01/top-5-tuesday-2011-draft-watch.html

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#125 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
July 13 2010, 05:33PM
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Nate Full of Hate wrote:

As Gregor said, he'd be taking away PP time at the expense of the kids.

Or you'd have an expensive checking Ryan Smyth. He's a pro and I have no doubt he'd consider trying to reinvent his game.

Injuries are starting to pile up, best to move forward without taking a step back.

Look at the list Defenseman that will be UFA next summer....I'd rather address the need of a shut down guy.

The new trend seems to be going with 3 scoring lines, Smyth would go along way towards solidifying 3 (potential) scoring lines.

Why does it matter if they miss a little PP time

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#126 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 05:41PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The new trend seems to be going with 3 scoring lines, Smyth would go along way towards solidifying 3 (potential) scoring lines.

Why does it matter if they miss a little PP time

Adding Smyth would probably be at the expense of Eberle or Cogliano ext ext

I'm not 100% against it but I'd prefer to move forward without re living the glory days of May 2006

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#127 OILERSORDEATH
July 13 2010, 05:48PM
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Jeezus Christ I cant believe in reading some of these earlier posts about letting Brule go! Can you imagine with a healthy team(last year was just rediculous) what this kid would be able to do offensivly?? I say 25-30 goals easy

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#128 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 13 2010, 05:50PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

So what bad things are going to happen if 6.25 in cap room are given to Smyth over the next 2 years?

the average oiler fan cant stand horcoff and his cap hit.

horcoff putting up 40-50points at 5.5mil = bad

smyth putting up 40-50 points at 6.25mil = not bad?

not meaning to direct this specifically at you, just me musing in general.

i totally 110% agree that smyth is the type of player the oilers need. i dont, however, think that smyth at 6.25mil is the type of player this team needs.

6.25 for a guy on the downside of his career with a fairly substantial injury history? is heart worth 6.25mil?

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#129 a lg dubl dubl
July 13 2010, 05:57PM
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if smyth came back, instead of the pp why not put him on the pk, that way penner/hall wont sit during the pp, and yes id like to see smyth back and im sure he'd like it too imo

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#130 Matt Henderson
July 13 2010, 05:57PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

To be fair, you can pretty much bank on Smyth hitting at least 50 points and 20 goals. You cant say the same for Horc.

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#131 a lg dubl dubl
July 13 2010, 06:01PM
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i forgot to add in that if penner starts to fall off the planet again then at least the oil would have a older version of penner that wont disapeer on any given night

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#132 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 13 2010, 06:01PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

To be fair, you can pretty much bank on Smyth hitting at least 50 points and 20 goals. You cant say the same for Horc.

can you now though?

is he going to get 1st line minutes with the oilers? probably not.

does a 34 year old smyth on 2nd/3rd line minutes and 2nd unit PP time put up 20G and 50pts? maybe, i dont know.

edit: at 20G and 50pts, with all the other stuff he brings, then i bring him back for sure... dammit, if only my crystal ball worked...

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#133 a lg dubl dubl
July 13 2010, 06:05PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

i could almost promise you that he does hit the 50pt mark on the 2nd/3rd line alone on just tip ins from other players shots on net, and he'd do it while only playin 60 games like he did last yr

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#134 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 13 2010, 06:09PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

i could almost promise you that he does hit the 50pt mark on the 2nd/3rd line alone on just tip ins from other players shots on net, and he'd do it while only playin 60 games like he did last yr

i will try and dig up the stats that show how an offensive players numbers decline after about age 34.

im not at all saying smyth will, i have no idea for sure, but, in general, the numbers suggest a decline is coming.

obviously, there are always exceptions to the numbers. do you risk 6.25mil on smyth keeping up the pace?

do you accept smyth becoming a 3rd line checker type at 6.25mil?

do you bring him back, pay him the 6.25 knowing he may decline, but plan to sign him to a 1 or 2 year extension when you can at a more reasonable cap number?

i would probably lean towards the last one

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#135 Matt Henderson
July 13 2010, 06:21PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

It's all a matter of what you think the team is risking. The team has Cap space and a minimal amount of contracts expiring in the next 2 years. Smyth will be a UFA before the new kids need their 2nd contracts. And if the team ever moves Souray that's another 5.4 mill in space gained.

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#136 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 06:23PM
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Ryan Smyth is still worth more than a bad contract in return. (Souray)

Colorado is under the cap basement and could use a winger and the Kings wouldn't have to a dud back.

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#137 Dubai Guy
July 13 2010, 06:30PM
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Gregor,

Nice article as always. I live in Dubai and don't get to see many live Oiler games anymore, so my analysis mainly comes off of news articles or highlights. Please explain why DD is more valued than JDD. In my opinion (based on numbers and highlights), DD looked very weak and like a complete bust when called up last year, whereas JDD, although inconsistent, faired relatively well on a 30th place team. I still understand DD size is a huge asset for a goalie, but to be frank, he was horrible. Please explain. Thx.

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#138 Matt Henderson
July 13 2010, 06:30PM
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@Nate Full of Hate

Agreed. The Kings dont need Souray (who isnt that bad of a contract IF healthy) nearly as much as they could use Smyth.

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#139 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 06:38PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

Agreed. The Kings dont need Souray (who isnt that bad of a contract IF healthy) nearly as much as they could use Smyth.

In TSN's top 10 goals of the decade 2000-2010

Sheldon Souray was the pylon in 3 of them..

Imagine if he could hit the net or incorporate a slap pass?

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#140 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 06:43PM
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Lowetide should write an article as to why the Oilers shouldn't acquire Ryan Smyth due to the over abundance of Defenseman in free agency next summer.

Not that I would do that....

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#141 Ethan Kortbeek
July 13 2010, 06:55PM
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Happy once said that he tried to cut a mans throat with his skate...on purpose. Maybe jacques and jones will be like fulton reed and the other guy from mighty ducks D2.

You guys see that dutch guy ninja kick that spanish loser in the chest. Thank god its soccer and not hockey.

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#142 RossCreekNation
July 13 2010, 07:01PM
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Depth signing in Oilerland...

Jim Matheson, of the Edmonton Journal, reports that the Oil have signed former Blues 1st round pick (and local product) D Shawn Belle to a 1yr deal.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+sign+Dubnyk+Jacques+report/3273473/story.html

"On the surface, it looks like Belle, 25, will be sent Oklahoma City, but he might challenge for the No. 6 defence spot. There’s been a body of thought for some time that Belle might be better served as a winger than as a defenceman with his 233-pound size and skating ability.

Didn't Stauffer call this one a week or two ago?

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#143 Crash
July 13 2010, 07:03PM
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Dubai Guy wrote:

Gregor,

Nice article as always. I live in Dubai and don't get to see many live Oiler games anymore, so my analysis mainly comes off of news articles or highlights. Please explain why DD is more valued than JDD. In my opinion (based on numbers and highlights), DD looked very weak and like a complete bust when called up last year, whereas JDD, although inconsistent, faired relatively well on a 30th place team. I still understand DD size is a huge asset for a goalie, but to be frank, he was horrible. Please explain. Thx.

I know I'm not Gregor but if you want an idea why DD is more valued look at a few things...

His age..he's a couple of years younger...

His calm demeanor and ability to not get rattled...

His positional play is excellent...

His size...

You mentioned numbers...yes he struggled at the start last year during the first 9 games he played....he was then sent down to the farm on Jan 30th just before the Olympic break and returned to the Oilers after the break. From Mar 3rd on he started 10 games.

Over those 10 games his numbers were outstanding...much better than JDD and in fact as each of those final 10 games went by he got better and better...over the last 6 games his save % was .928 and his GAA was around 2.64...

Nothing wrong with those numbers..in fact they were as good as any goaltender in the game. I believe he overtook JDD in that period and those who have him written off already are in for a welcome surprise IMO.

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#144 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 07:07PM
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Yeah signing Smyth sounds like a great idea.... A 34 year old winger to take minutes away from our young talent ( future of the team ). Wait it gets better he is a 6.25M cap hit. We need leadership but honestly what GM would pay that much. Yes we need to trade Souray but no chance the Kings want Souray. No team wants him, the Oilers will have to pay half Sourays salary in order to trade him. I have to beleive JDD will not be with the Oilers next season.

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#145 HOFFFF
July 13 2010, 07:07PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Jeezus Christ I cant believe in reading some of these earlier posts about letting Brule go! Can you imagine with a healthy team(last year was just rediculous) what this kid would be able to do offensivly?? I say 25-30 goals easy

I fully agree! This cat was picked only 5 spots after Crosby in the draft and 5 ahead of Kopitar. He is just getting warmed up, with 4 less points than Gagner in 3 less games and tied with Gagner in +/-. Hes only two years older than Gagner also and everyone talks about what a great player he is going to become. They both played the exact amount of NHL games. I would say Brule will develope into a great player. I agree 25 to 30 goals easy. Although, nothings easy.

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#146 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 07:10PM
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

Yeah signing Smyth sounds like a great idea.... A 34 year old winger to take minutes away from our young talent ( future of the team ). Wait it gets better he is a 6.25M cap hit. We need leadership but honestly what GM would pay that much. Yes we need to trade Souray but no chance the Kings want Souray. No team wants him, the Oilers will have to pay half Sourays salary in order to trade him. I have to beleive JDD will not be with the Oilers next season.

You had it until your last sentence.

(can't pay salary in trades)

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#147 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 07:13PM
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@HOFFFF

Not everyone, I think Brule is a better player now than Gagner. He skates better has a better shot and hits did I mention he is a better center. NO BRAINER

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#148 Oil_Loc8or
July 13 2010, 07:14PM
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@Nate Full of Hate

How did Sean Avery get payed by two teams at the same time ?

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#149 Nate Full of Hate
July 13 2010, 07:17PM
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Waivers

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#150 HOFFFF
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Oil_Loc8or wrote:

Not everyone, I think Brule is a better player now than Gagner. He skates better has a better shot and hits did I mention he is a better center. NO BRAINER

I agree with you 100%

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