More Finns the Better!

Lowetide
August 20 2010 07:47AM

It is a well known fact that the Edmonton Oilers are a better team with Finns.

When the Oilers were running with the big clubs (actually they were CLUBBING the big clubs) Finland was well represented on the roster. Jari Kurri to Jussi Markkanen, Edmonton has a bond with that wacky Republic.

It hasn't hit the MSM media yet, but the Oilers have apparently hired former SM-Liiga GM Matti Virmanen as a scout. The report is here, and is about one month old according to that article (and known to readers of Kiekkolehti). Added to the reported signing of Pelle Eklund as a European scout, the team does appear to be addressing European scouting after the loss of Kenta Nilsson and the relocation of Frank Musil.

Stu (Magnificent Bastard) has used Europe quite often since taking over as scouting director. Edmonton has called 23 names since MBS took over, and 7 of those names were playing in European leagues: Johan Motin, Teemu Hartikainen, MPS, Anton Lander, Toni Rajala, Martin Marincin and Kristians Pelss represent a very nice group of draft picks and pretty much all have their arrows pointed in a good direction. 

The report suggests that Virmanen (a great possible nickname just sitting there) will also be looking for players at the pro level, meaning some Jan Hejda's could be coming this way. All in all, a solid choice.  

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#1 jake
August 20 2010, 07:51AM
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Is that a plymouth Fury? Looks like "Christine". Loved that car, movie.

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Honestly a month old and know one knows about this? Why would the Oilers keep this a secret? Is he being paid under the table?

Regardless nice to see they are adding to the staff, I'll have to do some research before making more of a comment.

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#4 OilDieHard
August 20 2010, 08:08AM
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i knew a guy in the 80's who had one of those cars. they are SWEET!!

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~So he was the GM of Jokerit, I wonder if he brings Jani Rita with him.~

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#6 Shapeman
August 20 2010, 08:37AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

~So he was the GM of Jokerit, I wonder if he brings Jani Rita with him.~

or Nylander

*shudders*

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#7 Dano
August 20 2010, 08:40AM
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Years ago..........1984 I was in Helsinki, Finland, I walked into shop, they had 2 types of hockey jersey's for sale....Jokerit and Edmonton Oilers!

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Dano wrote:

Years ago..........1984 I was in Helsinki, Finland, I walked into shop, they had 2 types of hockey jersey's for sale....Jokerit and Edmonton Oilers!

I'm sure Kurri had something to do with that.

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#9 OILERSORDEATH
August 20 2010, 09:03AM
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Hey guys as per Spectors, something possibly brewing between Wash, Van and Oilers. Sounds like T.Fleishman is involved along with Souray and Bieksa? Would Fleishman be a good addition?

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#10 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 20 2010, 09:10AM
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@OILERSORDEATH

Somewhat I would say. Played some PK last year and had 51 points in 69 games. Sounds like his effort has been questioned at times though. For Souray though I think it would be a heck of a deal. His assets make him out to be a Hemsky like player.

ASSETS: Has outstanding setup ability and an understanding of what to do with the puck on his stick. Can play both wing and center. Is silky smooth. FLAWS: Lacks strength, so he tends to lose several puck battles in the corners. Must continue to improve his play without the puck, as well as his face-off skills. CAREER POTENTIAL: Scoring forward.

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#11 ubermiguel
August 20 2010, 09:12AM
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Ummmmm...from the linked article: "In Finland his [Virmanen's] reputation is somewhat questionable and it is safe to say that the majority of Jokerit fans were pleased when he quit last spring."

Did we get the Finnish Mike Milbury?

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#12 freshpotofcoffey
August 20 2010, 09:17AM
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@ OILERSORDEATH

Absolutely not. He's Czech, and that's really not very close to Finnishland.

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#13 Ball Buster
August 20 2010, 09:19AM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Hey guys as per Spectors, something possibly brewing between Wash, Van and Oilers. Sounds like T.Fleishman is involved along with Souray and Bieksa? Would Fleishman be a good addition?

The only way that a Souray for Fleischmann deal happens is if the Oilers also take Nylander, to make the cap work out for Washington.

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#14 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 20 2010, 09:25AM
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@Ball Buster

That isn't exactly a big concern is it? 3mil worth of salary that can either be buried in the minors or moved at the trade deadline.

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#15 Ball Buster
August 20 2010, 09:30AM
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@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

No, it's not a problem but if I'm Washington, why not let someone else pick up the tab?

Just saying that if this rumour has any legs and there is any hesitancy from Edmonton, it could be that Washington is trying to throw that bum into the mix.

Edit: Just re-read your post . . . by "isn't exactly a big concern", do you mean on the part of Washington or Edmonton?

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#16 smiliegirl15
August 20 2010, 09:38AM
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Nylander wouldn't come here before when we wanted him, would he come now? Refusal to report would be grounds for breach of contract wouldn't it?

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#17 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 20 2010, 09:38AM
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@Ball Buster

Edmonton's standpoint.

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#18 Marc
August 20 2010, 09:39AM
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@ubermiguel

A quick spin through Wikipedia tells us that he was GM from 1999-2008 before being moved upstairs. During his time as GM he won one European championship and one league championship, finished second in the league twice and fourth twice more. Jokerit's Jr A (under 20), B (under 18) and C (under 16) teams also each won two league championships while Virmanen was GM.

I think it's safe to say that this is no Mike Milbury.

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#19 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 20 2010, 09:42AM
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@smiliegirl15

I thought he had a NTC, but I just looked on capgeek and it expired last year so yes it would be breach.

I wouldn't be too worried about him not showing up at this point in his career he has no choice, unless he prefers Europe.

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#20 Pajamah
August 20 2010, 09:44AM
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smiliegirl15 wrote:

Nylander wouldn't come here before when we wanted him, would he come now? Refusal to report would be grounds for breach of contract wouldn't it?

I wouldn't think the Oilers would want him here. Souray will play, but is just Washington taking on a high risk, bad contract. Fleishmann needs to be moved, but is paid modestly. Us taking Nylander is akin to Phoenix taking POS so that they could buy him out

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#21 smiliegirl15
August 20 2010, 09:47AM
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I'm not saying we want him now; I mean when we wanted him a couple, three years ago and he refused to come to Edmonton.

Is Fleishmann worth it?

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#22 chartleys
August 20 2010, 09:47AM
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Minus top 4 ish defensemen

Plus a winger

Not exactly what the doctor ordered.

Foster is a poor man's replacement of the point shot so that is not missed but man that leaves a pretty suspect D with not a whole batch of rounded out prospects to call upon.

Here's hoping Peckham, Petry, Plante and Motin are NHL ready in the next couple years...(also that maybe the baby jesus appears and performs a miracle on chorney).

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#23 TigerUnderGlass
August 20 2010, 09:47AM
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Lowetide wrote:

I believe it is a '57 Chev Bel Air. The Chevys of the late 50's were beautiful cars and NO I didn't purchase it new. :-)

The '55 and the '57 chevys are two of my all time favorite cars.

If there was some question, that is without doubt a '57 chev.

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#24 chartleys
August 20 2010, 09:49AM
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Oh and clap clap on any news of more money being poured into drafting and development! There is hope for the future in oil country.

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#25 Marc
August 20 2010, 09:49AM
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The best players to come through Jokerit's system while Virmanen was GM appear to be Kari Lehtonen, Sean Bergenheim and Valtteri Filppula.

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#26 Ryan14
August 20 2010, 09:55AM
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Doesn't Nylander have a NTC? He isn't listed on capgeek..

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#27 Ball Buster
August 20 2010, 10:00AM
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@Ryan14

He's listed on nhlnumbers.com.

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#28 Ducey
August 20 2010, 10:01AM
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I don't really see how Fleishmann is a great addition to the Oil. They have enough soft, talented guys up front. I guess the Oilers could use him as the number 1 center for awhile to protect the kids and then flip him at the deadline. Hard to get excited about that.

I would however trade Souray for Nylander if Wash threw in a prospect or a draft pick.

You have to think Wash wants to get to the finals and they are not going to do it with their D: Green, Poti, Schultz, Alzner, Carlson and Erskine. Some good players but not enough experience or toughness for a contender. Souray would be a decent addition, especially as he would be coming for essentially nothing (a sunk cost in Nylander). Hopefully this means the prospect or pick that would come back would be pretty decent.

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#29 Ducey
August 20 2010, 10:05AM
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Ryan14 wrote:

Doesn't Nylander have a NTC? He isn't listed on capgeek..

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=30

He is there. It shows his NMC ended last year.

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#30 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 20 2010, 10:08AM
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@Ryan14

He's listed on the lower part with the AHlers on capgeek.

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#31 andrew mk20
August 20 2010, 10:09AM
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Only way I would let this deal happen is if bieksa came our way. Without Souray our defence looks pretty bad with strudwick, peckham, and vandemeer our 5-7 dmen. That's a pretty thin defence as all three are 7-8 depth dmen right now. Also Bieksa would bring that desperately needed toughness that Edm is lacking on their back end right now.

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#32 George B
August 20 2010, 10:16AM
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I think to remove the distraction has great value. If the Oilers were happy with a "Zero" return, a 51 point in 69 game forward is a step up.

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#33 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
August 20 2010, 10:34AM
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Well Kaberle apparently wants out of TO now, so that will probably throw a wrench into the whole situation.

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#34 hoil
August 20 2010, 10:52AM
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andrew mk20 wrote:

Only way I would let this deal happen is if bieksa came our way. Without Souray our defence looks pretty bad with strudwick, peckham, and vandemeer our 5-7 dmen. That's a pretty thin defence as all three are 7-8 depth dmen right now. Also Bieksa would bring that desperately needed toughness that Edm is lacking on their back end right now.

I always liked Bieksa's combination of toughness and decent offensive skills. Maybe Salo's latest mishap might change the 'Nucks mind about moving him?

From the 'Nuck Report:

"So much for the Canucks having too many defensemen. Yet another injury to Sami Salo took care of that.

News that the fragile Finnish defender had torn his Achilles while playing floorball shouldn't have been a total shock given that he had suffered 39 previous injuries during an 11-season career. But failing to even make it to training camp is a new low for a player who has missed an average of 19 games over the last five seasons and has never finished a full 82-game schedule."

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#35 Pajamah
August 20 2010, 11:03AM
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I'm a caps fan, and I have a semi-chub for most of their role players, that said, I'd take Boyd Gordon or David Steckel over Flash, just because of need. Fleishmann could be a Ville Leino-steal for some team, but we potentially have 3-4 young guys who can do that job

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#36 Pajamah
August 20 2010, 11:07AM
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I'm a caps fan, and I have a semi-chub for most of their role players, that said, I'd take Boyd Gordon or David Steckel over Flash, just because of need. Fleishmann could be a Ville Leino-steal for some team, but we potentially have 3-4 young guys who can do that job

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#37 Jon
August 20 2010, 11:10AM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Ummmmm...from the linked article: "In Finland his [Virmanen's] reputation is somewhat questionable and it is safe to say that the majority of Jokerit fans were pleased when he quit last spring."

Did we get the Finnish Mike Milbury?

According to a poster on HF, his bad reputation is due to numerous failed signings, especially with foreign players.

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#38 Bob Cob
August 20 2010, 11:42AM
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So far its an interesting day with the Souray rumors and the fact that Carrie Underwood may be back on the market.

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#39 ubermiguel
August 20 2010, 12:17PM
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Jon wrote:

According to a poster on HF, his bad reputation is due to numerous failed signings, especially with foreign players.

Ah, he's the Finnish Kevin Lowe. :)

Thanks for finding that. That plus Marc's info about his experience with younger players, sounds like we'll have some solid Finn prospects coming our way.

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#40 sizedoesmatter
August 20 2010, 12:45PM
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Will mike fischer get traded or divorced first.and I wonder if he cheated if so he better hide his pretty li four wheel drive

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#41 PabstBR55
August 20 2010, 01:08PM
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All these people want to know:

WHERE IN THE WORLD IS REIJO RUOTSALAINEN?

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#42 Hemmercules
August 20 2010, 01:47PM
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Whats happening with Gagner and Cog's?? Were they signed and I missed it???

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#43 DN94
August 20 2010, 01:57PM
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@Bob Cob

Where are you seeing this stuff about Underwood??

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#44 godot10
August 20 2010, 02:02PM
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@Hemmercules

Bobby Ryan has the 2005 draft year second contracts all backed up. Around 25% of the 1st rounders in that draft class, including Cogliano have not signed. Gagner sort of gets lumped into that bunch because he is "tied" to Cogliano.

That Perron (and somebody else) sign for under $2 million has also contributed to the logjam.

It isn't just the Oilers.

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#45 Cari
August 20 2010, 02:04PM
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forgive my ignorance, but what does it mean when it says frank musil has relocated?? Is he still working for the oilers organization or what?? Thanks!

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#46 Bob Cob
August 20 2010, 02:13PM
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DN94 wrote:

Where are you seeing this stuff about Underwood??

Calgary Herald had a story about them something along those lines but purly gossip, its in the entertainment section, I had to check my sources. When I read it I had my own "So you're saying there's a chance" Lloyd Christmas, Dumb and Dumber type of moment.

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#47 a lg dubl dubl
August 20 2010, 03:51PM
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hmmm interesting trade rumor bout washington and oilers i traded for fleishmann in NHL 10 but i traded moreau to get him tho lol

if the oilers did get Fleishmann wonder if that means cogs is on the outs again

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#48 Clangger
August 20 2010, 05:10PM
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TSNRyanRishaug: Asham signs with penguins. Done deal.

There goes another good free agent that would be a good fit for the Oilers!

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#49 Cheesenaka
August 20 2010, 05:45PM
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Clangger wrote:

TSNRyanRishaug: Asham signs with penguins. Done deal.

There goes another good free agent that would be a good fit for the Oilers!

Weren't we in the running for him? Can't say that I blame him for choosing the Pens over us.

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#50 Cheesenaka
August 20 2010, 05:48PM
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Anybody know if Stephane Yelle is still a good penalty killer? Isn't he also center and good on the face-off dot?

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