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Lowetide
August 20 2010 05:56PM

Peter Adler cut through the doldrums of summer like a hot knife through butter last night. An actual trade rumor involving the Edmonton Oilers. Music!

Adler's article is here. When I read it last night I decided to ignore it, as if looking away would somehow make it come true (watched pot and all that). This morning, I read it again and noticed that Spector's picked it up (adding to the credibility: EJ and Spector's are actual places where you can read things that have a snowball's chance in hell of coming true) which is always a good sign.

Late this afternoon (after a hard day's work--my business picks up this time of year) I allowed myself a look at capgeek to see if "The Who By Numbers" would give me a clue:

  • Oilers: Souray (5.4M cap hit times 2); Cogliano (RFA, 1.113M a year ago) TOTAL: 6.513M
  • Caps: Fleischmann (2.6M times 1); Nylander (4.875M times 1) TOTAL: 7.475M

Not bad. Not bad at all. Add a pick and we'll take Nylander's wife! Then I'm reminded that those damn Canucks are involved (freaking Canucks, get your own rumor) with Kevin Bieksa:

  • Oilers: Souray (5.4M cap hit times 2) Cogliano (RFA, 1.113M a year ago) TOTAL: 6.513M
  • Caps: Fleischmann (2.6M times 1); Nylander (4.875M times 1), 2nd rd pick TOTAL: 7.475M
  • Canucks: Bieksa (3.75M times 1) TOTAL: 3.75M

Oilers get Bieksa and Nylander (plus 2nd for taking Nylander family), Canucks get Fleischmann, Caps get Souray and Cogliano.

OILER BENEFITS: Offload the Fonz (as named by Bob Stauffer earlier today) and get back an NHL calibre defenseman with one year left on his contract. Also receive Nylander, for which a nice draft pick should be included. More free dollars next summer, but Mr. Katz won't be able to rotate the tires on the Batmobile this winter.

CANUCKS BENEFITS: Make room for Willie Mitchell by sending away Bieksa (they'll need to IR Salo and make sure his household receives everything Ron Popiel ever offered) and get back a nice piece up front. More moves to come, but it makes Vancouver better overall and they do save $1.15M on this deal.

CAPS BENEFIT: Offload Nylander ("getting rid of the Albatross, sowing the seeds of discontent!") and Fleischmann for a nice tough defenseman with a leather jacket and maybe someone who can help up front in Cogliano. They also save some money (about 1M) depending on how much Andrew C. wants for his next contract.

Possible? Probably not. A nice dream? You bet.

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#1 Halfwise
August 20 2010, 06:07PM
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SOWING the seeds.

What a stupid language we have.

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#2 Reggie
August 20 2010, 06:09PM
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Well, anything to ditch Souray by the start of training camp is a good thing.

If we get a real center and a decent dman to boot. It's like winning the lotto again ... lol

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#4 freeze
August 20 2010, 06:15PM
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That would be a fun trade! Which is why I am very skeptical that something like this goes down.

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#5 Halfwise
August 20 2010, 06:22PM
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Well, you always get a free pass if you quote Johnny Rotten.

God save the sex pistols they're a bunch of wholesome blokes They just like wearing filthy clothes and swapping filthy jokes

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#6 Acumen
August 20 2010, 06:33PM
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I like it.

I've always had a healthy respect for Bieksa, and in this deal he fills Sourays role on the back end well with the added bonus of being a right handed shot (can play off of Whitney or Smid).

Getting Nylanders dead contract is cool with me too, I don't expect us to be loading up for a cup run this year. Losing Cogliano without any futures coming back kinda sucks, but as long as he's going to Washington it's cool. If he kicks ass as a Cap, it's fun and awesome. If he kicks ass as a Canuck, I break things. Not cheap things either, significant things. Like my friends new iPhone.

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#7 Souby
August 20 2010, 06:38PM
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I am not sure about putting Bieksa in the mix but I actually posed a very similar trade idea (Nylander/Souray/Cogs etc.)to Brownlee and Gregor a while back to see what kind of response I would get. If they could do this type of a deal with the Caps then I say go for it!

One response I did get pointed out that while the cap hit on Nylander is 4.875m, his actual salary is only 3m, compared to Souray's cap at 5.4m and salary at 4.5m. I am not sure the Caps would take on an extra 1.5m in salary and give us Fleischmann but with Cogs thrown into the mix it could happen.

*Crosses fingers, says a prayer and hopes Souray is gone before traing camp begins*

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#8 bam83
August 20 2010, 06:51PM
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I really don't want to give up Cogliano as a part of this package. I'd rather add a later pick or a lower end prospect like Chorney. Washington probably wouldn't bite though =/

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#9 Pilgor09
August 20 2010, 06:55PM
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bam83 wrote:

I really don't want to give up Cogliano as a part of this package. I'd rather add a later pick or a lower end prospect like Chorney. Washington probably wouldn't bite though =/

Cogs needs out, and the oilers need out of cogs. Bieksa is exactly what we need, puck moving toughness.

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#10 Racki
August 20 2010, 07:00PM
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I'd do it, from the Oilers standpoint and the Caps standpoint. I question it from the Canucks standpoint though. Damn, would I love that deal to go down though. Although I have no desire to see Nylander here. I'd hope that they would just waive him to be honest. I let bygones be bygones with Comrie, but not so sure I could with Nylander (and wife)! But even if we were to just dump Nylander for nothing in some way (waived, demoted, traded for peanuts - which wouldn't be possible, but just sayin'), that's still a good deal for us. Bieksa for Souray+Cogliano... sure, I'd do that.

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#11 RossCreekNation
August 20 2010, 07:10PM
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The problem is, Washington doesn't HAVE to get rid of Nylander... he doesn't currently count towards their cap.

So in fact, by moving Nylander and picking up Souray, the Caps would actually be taking on Souray's $5.4M without subtracting any dollars from Nylander.

Take Nylander out of the equation in favour of another contract that actually counts against their cap (Jason Chimera - 1.875M?), and things suddenly make more sense... at least imo.

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#12 Manfly
August 20 2010, 07:23PM
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whether we ended up with Fleishmann or Bieksa, i would just like to see Souray gone! and if Cogs goes too, oh well, we really don't need him anyway. hey, we could re-sign Mr. Hillary Duff if Cogs were moved!!! :)

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#13 Archaeologuy
August 20 2010, 07:37PM
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@RossCreekNation

~But I really wanted the Oilers to get Nylander~

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#14 @NateInVegas
August 20 2010, 07:42PM
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Why wouldn't Washington trade for Kaberle?

More skill, reasonable price, and not a band aid. Fleishmann could be that "top 6" guy Burke's been holding out for, and both are UFA next summer.

Don't get me wrong I'm in favour of any trade shipping Sheldon Souray out.

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#15 Pilgor09
August 20 2010, 07:44PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

~But I really wanted the Oilers to get Nylander~

~He really wants to be here to~

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#16 Racki
August 20 2010, 07:47PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Why wouldn't Washington trade for Kaberle?

More skill, reasonable price, and not a band aid. Fleishmann could be that "top 6" guy Burke's been holding out for, and both are UFA next summer.

Don't get me wrong I'm in favour of any trade shipping Sheldon Souray out.

Because Burke's demands are pretty ridiculous. I'm sure they'd want him, but they probably haven't put together a deal that the Wizard of Oz liked for ~the best player on the planet~.

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#17 Archaeologuy
August 20 2010, 07:48PM
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@Pilgor09

is Dany Heatley on the trading block? I seem to remember his name involved in some kind of Oiler related news...

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#18 oilnucks
August 20 2010, 07:55PM
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According to another site regarding this rumour, this was just speculation by a journalist from the globe and mail. Adler then picked it up from his comments.

There was never anything that came directly from someone who is connected; so this rumour has no legs.

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#19 Ryan
August 20 2010, 08:07PM
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oilnucks wrote:

According to another site regarding this rumour, this was just speculation by a journalist from the globe and mail. Adler then picked it up from his comments.

There was never anything that came directly from someone who is connected; so this rumour has no legs.

So you're obviously reading etownhockey.com

Ya, I think I will listen to Peter Adler over Raine Snow any day. I'm pretty sure Adler is connected.

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#20 Racki
August 20 2010, 08:28PM
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Ryan wrote:

So you're obviously reading etownhockey.com

Ya, I think I will listen to Peter Adler over Raine Snow any day. I'm pretty sure Adler is connected.

David Staples already confirmed that Adler had a good source on this... they just wouldn't reveal who. But if Staples says Adler has a legit source, that's good enough for me.

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#21 gr8one
August 20 2010, 08:30PM
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STECKEL!!!

But really, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, supposedly Willie Mitchell is on the cusp of deciding where he is going to sign, and word is both Washington and Vancouver are in the running, yet Vancouver would pretty much have to trade Bieksa to make bringing back Mitchell feasible. So if Mitchell ends up signing with Washington I guess it would take them out of any trade talks at all?

It's all a potential love triangle that makes my head hurt.

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#22 The Other John
August 20 2010, 08:36PM
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If we are dealing with Washington, they have 2 very good third line centers who are STONE COLD KILLER in the face off circle. Steckl and Boyd Gordon, do anything necessary to pry one of those 2 face off studs off their roster.

That tweak makes a good trade a GREAT trade

I like Bieksa a lot and would do this trade to offload Souray. But picking up a third line face off killer..........GRAVY

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#23 Jon
August 20 2010, 08:58PM
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I would not like this trade from an Oilers perspective. We take more salary than we give, and we only get 1 useful player back. Cogliano's value is greatly undervalued in this proposal, I say this because TSN was reporting that we offered Cogliano for the 15th overall but pulled out when McIlrath was taken prior. If Cogliano's value = 15th overall, then would anybody deal Souray + 1st for Bieksa, Nylander, 2nd? I don't think so.

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#24 Racki
August 20 2010, 09:01PM
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gr8one wrote:

STECKEL!!!

But really, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, supposedly Willie Mitchell is on the cusp of deciding where he is going to sign, and word is both Washington and Vancouver are in the running, yet Vancouver would pretty much have to trade Bieksa to make bringing back Mitchell feasible. So if Mitchell ends up signing with Washington I guess it would take them out of any trade talks at all?

It's all a potential love triangle that makes my head hurt.

Count me in for Steckel as well ;) If they'd move him.

P.S. don't I know you from somewhere? :P

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#25 @NateInVegas
August 20 2010, 09:05PM
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Brownlee was pushing the Steckel thing last summer, I laughed...

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#26 The Other John
August 20 2010, 09:45PM
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Sorry Nate

You laughed because it was Steckl? you laughed because it was Brownlee's idea? or because you had a better idea on a defensively sound penalty killing face off winning center?

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#27 Cheesenaka
August 20 2010, 10:40PM
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three-ways very rarely ever happen no matter how much you might want them ... lol

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#28 Wanyes bastard child
August 20 2010, 10:43PM
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Cheesenaka wrote:

three-ways very rarely ever happen no matter how much you might want them ... lol

HAHAHAHHA

Those are my props!

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#29 Suntory Hanzo
August 20 2010, 10:53PM
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Living in BC and having the Canucks as the main sorce of hockey watching...Bieksa is a bad penalty nightmare. He would pick up where thecaptainethanmoreau left off.

No Thanks!

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#30 Quicksilver ballet
August 20 2010, 11:28PM
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Can anyone else feel it?

The arenas are busy again...the days are getting shorter and cooler.

Thank you Lord for allowing me one more year of this thing we call hockey season.

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#31 Cheesenaka
August 21 2010, 12:02AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Can anyone else feel it?

The arenas are busy again...the days are getting shorter and cooler.

Thank you Lord for allowing me one more year of this thing we call hockey season.

Now if only Telus and Bell could pick up Sportsnet One ...

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#32 Rob
August 21 2010, 12:04AM
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But do we really need to see the Oil lost to Anahiem 7 to 2 for the entire summer? We all need to be punished but c'mon enough is enough.

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#33 Cheesenaka
August 21 2010, 12:09AM
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Rob wrote:

But do we really need to see the Oil lost to Anahiem 7 to 2 for the entire summer? We all need to be punished but c'mon enough is enough.

It's kinda like that wound that you keep bumping that never heals

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#34 Sandra Blood
August 21 2010, 01:39AM
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Read some where that Cogs and a goalie to the Islanders for Anders Nilsson, Dylan Reese and Kirill Petrov , who would then be sent to Washington along with Souray for Fleishmann and a 2nd round. Three way?

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#35 pelhem grenville
August 21 2010, 04:00AM
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The Fonz for Fleischmann and a prospect ...

hurry hard! no way Nylander comes here!

no need 4 him

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#36 michael
August 21 2010, 08:27AM
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Nylander was buried in Jokerit for the last season and a bit. He is now a has been geting paid 3 million dollars this season to stay away from the Washington Capitals. Thats gotta be sticking in thier craw just a little. Would Nylander come here if his contract was raded. I don't think so. Do we want a guy who can't keep his word. Think not. If a trade for Washington were to occur I think it would involve more than just Souray or Cogliano. I think the Capitals would be looking at moving Semin and Flieshman along with a pick or two.For Souray, Cogliano and Hemsky. I think Hemsky is done here. If he doesn't sign an extension by January he'll be on the block come trade deadline day. Semin would welcome a change of scenery and after last years dismal playoff performance the Capitals may be inclined to move him sooner rather than later. Plus bieng playing 3rd fiddle on that team behind Ovie and Backstrom is incentive for him to come to Edmonton to be top dog.Just my opinion.

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#37 madjam
August 21 2010, 09:33AM
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J.Thornton on the block yet ?

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#38 SKOilerFan
August 21 2010, 09:38AM
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Washington would love to get rid of Semin. Apparently he's a big PITA.

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#39 Crackenbury
August 21 2010, 10:02AM
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Sheldon Souray announced on Sportsnet today that he still expects the Oilers to trade him before the season begins and that they have not reached out to him to mend fences. The arrogance of this guy is sickening.

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#41 Manfly
August 21 2010, 10:23AM
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regarding Nylander, wouldn't we just be taking the contract off of Washington's hands? i doubt he would ever be invited to the Oilers camp, or ever play one second here.

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#42 Crackenbury
August 21 2010, 10:38AM
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@Lowetide

LT: I agree with your assessment of the Souray situation with one addition. I think they'll put him through waivers and then ask him not to report to the Baron's. One thing for sure, he doesn't see the inside of an Oiler dressing room again.

What can be going on in his head? Has all the media attention portraying him as some sort of sex symbol affected his view of what he actually does for a living?

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#44 Dodd
August 21 2010, 10:54AM
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It's worth taking a self-important overpaid locker room problem plus Bieksa in exchange for a self-important overpaid locker room problem and Cogs.

We save a few bucks and send Fonzie away. We have a lot of young guys who have caught up to Cogs, or are getting close enough to challenge for his job anyway.

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#45 madjam
August 21 2010, 11:11AM
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Crackenbury wrote:

Sheldon Souray announced on Sportsnet today that he still expects the Oilers to trade him before the season begins and that they have not reached out to him to mend fences. The arrogance of this guy is sickening.

Nothing arrogant about stating what he says the Oilers appear to be doing with him . He merely stated he feels or it appears that the Oilers intend to be dealing him before season starts because they have not made any attempt to come to him to patch anything up . Thats all he said . Let's not overreact/ overassume anything more than that . Only thing i derived from quote is Oilers might not be interested in him .

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#46 Crackenbury
August 21 2010, 11:20AM
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@madjam

You seem to have forgotten last springs comments from Souray. You don't roast your teams management in public for any reason while still being paid by them. Souray was already untradeable before then, he just made it worse if that's possible. The crap he was spewing about being forced to play was ridiculous.

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#47 Racki
August 21 2010, 11:23AM
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madjam wrote:

Nothing arrogant about stating what he says the Oilers appear to be doing with him . He merely stated he feels or it appears that the Oilers intend to be dealing him before season starts because they have not made any attempt to come to him to patch anything up . Thats all he said . Let's not overreact/ overassume anything more than that . Only thing i derived from quote is Oilers might not be interested in him .

I agree. People are pretty quick to jump down players' throats here.

Souray's an interesting case study of how things work in Oiler-land:

- Souray signs when no one wants to here.. garners respect from probably half the fans here

- Souray gets injured early in that first season and loses respect with almost all the fans

- Souray comes back and has a career year. Suddenly almost (note, almost) everyone is talking about how great he is and how he should be captain

- Souray gets injured again the last year and some more fans jump off the bandwagon... but still some are talking about how this guy should be our captain

- Rumor comes out that Souray asked for a trade... most fans don't believe it. Most are defending Souray saying its a big mistake to trade him

- Season ends, and Souray breaks the news himself.. suddenly fans are in uproar, his contract is an albatross, he's a horrible player, and no one would want the guy because he has nothing to offer.

Not saying I don't agree with some of what is said (nor am I saying that all fans fit into the picture I painted above), but it's just funny how opinions change so quickly and dramatically here.

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#48 Harlie
August 21 2010, 11:24AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Fricking Johnny Rotten. Last time I quote him.

this is what came to my mind first..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvxALFWvHs

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#49 Harlie
August 21 2010, 11:25AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Fricking Johnny Rotten. Last time I quote him.

this is what came to my mind first..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbvxALFWvHs

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#50 Dodd
August 21 2010, 11:33AM
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Crackenbury wrote:

You seem to have forgotten last springs comments from Souray. You don't roast your teams management in public for any reason while still being paid by them. Souray was already untradeable before then, he just made it worse if that's possible. The crap he was spewing about being forced to play was ridiculous.

Agreed. No matter how you felt about Souray in the past (yes bandwagons for and against) it is my strong opinion that $5 mill a year should at least buy a players public silence when he has a problem with management. No matter how you look at it he flushed himself more than he did the team.

This has nothing to do with the fickle fan syndrome; this is his defining moment in the league.

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