(Seems Like) A Long Time

Lowetide
August 25 2010 07:54AM

This is David Oliver. Once upon a time he was part of a quality cluster of young forwards in the Edmonton Oilers system. Is the current group as good--or better--than the Weight-Arnott-Smyth cluster? 

I'm a big believer in developing prospects in clusters. Any Oiler fan old enough to remember the Boys On The Bus probably feels the same way, because Edmonton's hockey fans had a bird's eye view of the power of the cluster 30 years ago. That tremendous group had terrific sustain, retiring 20 or so years later with multiple Stanley's in multiple towns.

I don't think it benefits us to compare the current group of young Oiler forwards to the 1984-85 Oilers because comparing any group in the history of the game to the 99 group would just end up in depression. However, the Oilers did have a strong cluster of young forwards 15 years ago that is worthy of a look. Here are the 95-96 Oilers forward group and their numbers:

  1. Doug Weight (24) 82gp, 25-79-104
  2. Zdeno Ciger (25) 78gp, 31-39-70
  3. Jason Arnott (20) 64gp, 28-31-59
  4. David Oliver (24) 80gp, 20-19-39
  5. Todd Marchant (22) 81gp, 19-19-38
  6. Miro Satan (20) 62gp, 18-17-35
  7. Dean McAmmond (22) 53gp, 15-15-30
  8. Marius Czerkawski (23) 37gp, 12-17-29
  9. Scott Thornton (24) 77gp, 9-9-18
  10. Ryan Smyth (19) 48gp, 2-9-11
  11. Kent Manderville (24) 37gp, 3-5-8
  12. Louie DeBrusk (24) 38gp, 1-3-4
  13. Ralph Intranuovo (21) 13gp, 1-2-3
  14. Jason Bonsignore (19) 20gp, 0-2-2
  15. Tyler Wright (22) 23gp, 1-0-1
  16. Dennis Bonvie (22) 8gp, 0-0-0

That's an exceptional group. They never reached the finals (the `06 team had only Smyth left) but there`s a lot of quality on this list.  No HOFers but a few marginal ones (Weight, Arnott, Satan, Smyth) and a nice range of skills in there.Now let's have a look at the current group:

  1. Dustin Penner (27) 82gp, 32-31-63
  2. Ales Hemsky (26) 22gp, 7-15-22
  3. Ryan Jones (25) 49gp, 8-4-12
  4. Liam Reddox (24) 9gp, 0-2-2
  5. JF Jacques (24) 49gp, 4-7-11
  6. Zack Stortini (24) 77gp, 4-9-13
  7. Gilbert Brule (23) 65gp, 17-20-37
  8. Ryan O'Marra (22) 3gp, 0-1-1
  9. Andrew Cogliano (22) 82gp, 10-18-28
  10. Sam Gagner (20) 68gp, 15-26-41
  11. Linus Omark (23)
  12. Jordan Eberle (19)
  13. MPS (18)
  14. Taylor Hall (17)

A few observations:

  • The 95-96 is better and more established. Doug Weight--the leader of the group--was an exceptional player by 25 although injuries would impact him in later seasons. There's size and grit on the 95-96 team and they are deeper in terms of 2-way players (although in fairness some of the current group may emerge).
  • Penner and Hemsky are really cut off from this cluster. The heart of the order is Gagner-MPS-Hall-Eberle (imo) and that means Hemsky/Penner are basically 10 seasons removed from the center diamond.
  • The Oilers pissed away a lot of quality on the 95-96 team. Satan for nothing. Lordy.
  • This list really highlights just how careful the organization needs to be with kids like Cogliano. He's not going to be Marchant unless he learns the finer aspects of the game and three years in it isn't happening. Could he be a small m McAmmond? Don't know, but he's an asset the club needs to grind into something useful.
  • We need to be patient. Very patient. Hall, MPS, Eberle and Gagner won't be dominating the hockey business for quite some time. They're just kids, folks.
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#51 Cheesenaka
August 25 2010, 12:41PM
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Kyper tweets that LA will announce the signing of Willie Mitchell soon.

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#52 Crash
August 25 2010, 12:47PM
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Soft Hands McSteeley - FIST Movement wrote:

So you pick the best players to come out of different draft years... after the fact and say that because these guys had an immediate impact on the league... we should expect our "big 3" to do the same?

But then your not saying that they "WILL" be impact players immediatly... but your not saying they "WON'T". So what your saying based your expert opinion is that we have some prospects who may or may not become "dominant players" quite possibley very soon, but we should also be patiant because it might take time for them to "dominate".

GOOD TALK BUD!

Holy crap man, where did I say that I "EXPECT" anything??? Show me please. T

hat was the whole point of what I was saying...you jump all over me for saying we don't know how the players will turn out and how quickly...that is the actual fact.

What I was pointing out was that the writer of the article was already stating as though it was already a fact that it will be quite some time before our young players are dominating....that is what we don't know is a fact yet he is saying it like it already is...

Don't jump on me...get on the guy who wrote the article..

That is correct I am saying I don't know that they "WILL" be dominant quickly or if at all nor am I saying they "WON'T".....the whole thing of it is again, is, we don't know...and neither does Lowetide.

Do you get that? I didn't have an opinion on it because we really have no way of knowing and neither does Lowetide.

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#53 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 25 2010, 01:01PM
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I think it's safe to say that most here understand the difference between possibility and probability.

I really don't think it's necessary any more to point out ever time something is possible. Rather, lets move into the relm of reality and discuss probibility.

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#54 puckheadshockeyworld
August 25 2010, 01:09PM
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How can you forget the team captain, Kelly Buchberger, from that 1995-96 club? I really enjoyed watching those rebuilding clubs. They may not have won a lot of games, but man they were tough to play against and fun to watch with their speed, grit and effort!

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#55 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 25 2010, 01:34PM
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puckheadshockeyworld wrote:

How can you forget the team captain, Kelly Buchberger, from that 1995-96 club? I really enjoyed watching those rebuilding clubs. They may not have won a lot of games, but man they were tough to play against and fun to watch with their speed, grit and effort!

Bucky was 30 that year, not exactly a young forward that fits with the cluster LT was presenting.

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#56 Crash
August 25 2010, 01:35PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I think it's safe to say that most here understand the difference between possibility and probability.

I really don't think it's necessary any more to point out ever time something is possible. Rather, lets move into the relm of reality and discuss probibility.

I assume this little statement you made was directed my way soooo

Is that what you do? You only discuss probability? What if there is no way of knowing what is probable? You stated earlier this summer that both Eberle and Paajarvi should play in the AHL where they belong...How probable do you think that is?

What you may think is probable may only be possible and likely is only possible...

We actually discuss more of what is possible on here than we do what is probable...so save the lecture for elsewhere.

BTW who made you god of the site? Are you the one here that decides what is probable and what is possible? I didn't get the memo that you were in charge of this.

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#57 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
August 25 2010, 01:58PM
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@Crash

"Is that what you do? You only discuss probability? What if there is no way of knowing what is probable?"

Here's the catch, we do know what is probable, and it is improbably that players 18/19/20 play dominate hockey soon after entering the NHL.

"You stated earlier this summer that both Eberle and Paajarvi should play in the AHL where they belong...How probable do you think that is?"

I really don't know how you can confuse these types of conversations. Were they play is controlled, theirs no history form an opinion on where they WILL, their is history to form an opinion on where they SHOULD play.

Anyways, the point was that everyone knows that the COULD dominate the NHL as early as next year, so it's essentially pointless to point it out.

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#58 dawgbone
August 25 2010, 02:00PM
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@Sean

Hall isn't even as close to as dominant as Kane or Tavares were.

As for Stamkos, he scored 20 more goals his draft year than Hall did (and Hall is supposed to be a goal scorer).

Hall gets a lot of credit for being on a very good team, but people forget there were a lot of good players on that team. For instance they traded Austin Watson (who was playing on their 3rd line) to Peterborough. He went and scored 20 points in 10 games with the Petes. There were a lot of good players and lots of depth on Windsor and it's important to evaluate Hall as a player, not as a member of Windsor.

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#59 Crash
August 25 2010, 02:16PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"Is that what you do? You only discuss probability? What if there is no way of knowing what is probable?"

Here's the catch, we do know what is probable, and it is improbably that players 18/19/20 play dominate hockey soon after entering the NHL.

"You stated earlier this summer that both Eberle and Paajarvi should play in the AHL where they belong...How probable do you think that is?"

I really don't know how you can confuse these types of conversations. Were they play is controlled, theirs no history form an opinion on where they WILL, their is history to form an opinion on where they SHOULD play.

Anyways, the point was that everyone knows that the COULD dominate the NHL as early as next year, so it's essentially pointless to point it out.

Oh we know do we as in everyone else knows? Here's the catch, you just think you know what is probable but because you think it doesn't make it so.

I do believe that it's quite possible that the 1st overall pick stands a better than even chance of becoming a fairly significant player in a short period of time.

It is more improbable that he wouldn't. So why would you state otherwise?

There's no clear cut history that shows where a high end young prospect should play, in fact there are numerous examples that show that higher end players in this league don't spend much time if any in the AHL yet you seem to think they do and spout it out like it is fact. Again, you are talking possibles not probables.

IMO is wasn't pointless to point out that saying that our young players WON'T dominate for quite some time is not necessarily a fact as was being indicated. I'll decide for myself what I think is relevant to point out and what isn't if it's all the same to you. Who made you judge and jury as to what is the realm of reality and what isn't?

I find it quite obivious that one of the things you do most on this site is talk down to people like you are of some higher intelligence.

I don't understand why you do that given the endless number of spelling mistakes you make and that you never know when to use their and there properly in a sentence.

Get off your high horse.

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#60 Travis Dakin
August 25 2010, 02:28PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I think it's safe to say that most here understand the difference between possibility and probability.

I really don't think it's necessary any more to point out ever time something is possible. Rather, lets move into the relm of reality and discuss probibility.

This comment has given me a boner.

Simple yet powerful.*

*The comment I mean.

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#61 Ender
August 25 2010, 02:28PM
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Crash wrote:

I find it quite obivious that one of the things you do most on this site is talk down to people like you are of some higher intelligence. I don't understand why you do that given the endless number of spelling mistakes you make and that you never know when to use their and there properly in a sentence. Get off your high horse.

What is 'obivious' to me is that there are at least nine spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors in your own entry.

Glass houses, throwing stones . . .

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#62 Whitney27
August 25 2010, 02:29PM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Also known as the era where we were forced to move players because of money. How is trading Weight any different then what happened the past couple years with guys with higher caps that were traded? Gagner was dealt for nothing, but had to be dealt because of cap issues.

And Joseph? He was the reason why we would win games in the playoffs.

Joseph was also the reason we lost playoff games.

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#63 Crash
August 25 2010, 02:36PM
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Ender wrote:

Crash wrote:

I find it quite obivious that one of the things you do most on this site is talk down to people like you are of some higher intelligence. I don't understand why you do that given the endless number of spelling mistakes you make and that you never know when to use their and there properly in a sentence. Get off your high horse.

What is 'obivious' to me is that there are at least nine spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors in your own entry.

Glass houses, throwing stones . . .

And here comes the cavalry....the word obvious was obviously just a case of typing fast but when you spell the word probability more than once incorrectly it's obvious...

The point was that the great OB1 comes on here and belittles people, talks down to them....gets in their grill.

I've seen it over and over with others...self made judge and jury...look at me, look how smart I am and how dumb you are...

Oh and by the way the word is grammatical

At least when riding to the defense of someone, don't make a mistake in the first line.

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#64 Travis Dakin
August 25 2010, 02:36PM
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Ender wrote:

Crash wrote:

I find it quite obivious that one of the things you do most on this site is talk down to people like you are of some higher intelligence. I don't understand why you do that given the endless number of spelling mistakes you make and that you never know when to use their and there properly in a sentence. Get off your high horse.

What is 'obivious' to me is that there are at least nine spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors in your own entry.

Glass houses, throwing stones . . .

Sh!t I could only find 4. Oh well, the comment is funny so it stands!

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#65 Crash
August 25 2010, 02:37PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Back on ignore where you belong.

OH know, not the OB1 ignore....

Please not that...anything but that...

GFY

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#66 Crash
August 25 2010, 02:39PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Back on ignore where you belong.

And yes the oh know was a play on words...as in you know everything

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#67 King Mob
August 25 2010, 02:50PM
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@Crash

Seriously, dude. COMMAS.

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#68 Crash
August 25 2010, 02:53PM
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King Mob wrote:

Seriously, dude. COMMAS.

Yes, commas, thanks so much for the tip, very much appreciated.

I could go back and edit as Ender did when he spelled grammatical incorrectly I guess.

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#69 BurkeTheTurd
August 25 2010, 03:06PM
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Crash wrote:

OH know, not the OB1 ignore....

Please not that...anything but that...

GFY

gfy??

Good For You Government Fiscal Year Go Find Yourself Globus file yanker good for youth

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#70 9 Inches Uncut
August 25 2010, 03:08PM
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We need to be patient. Very patient. Hall, MPS, Eberle and Gagner won't be dominating the hockey business for quite some time. They're just kids, folks.

LT I know you watch hockey so it should be apparent it's a young man's game these days.

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#71 Ender
August 25 2010, 03:09PM
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Crash wrote:

Yes, commas, thanks so much for the tip, very much appreciated.

I could go back and edit as Ender did when he spelled grammatical incorrectly I guess.

Maybe you should. I did it within the first 10 seconds of posting.

(Damn your cursed refresh moment!)

No one is perfect. To indicate that someone's point is irrelevant based on how it is expressed, though . . . you can see how that's dangerous ground to tread on.

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#72 Crash
August 25 2010, 03:09PM
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BurkeTheTurd wrote:

gfy??

Good For You Government Fiscal Year Go Find Yourself Globus file yanker good for youth

Something like that...

I'm just down trodden that OB1 is going to ignore me....but rest assured, he'll still talk down to madjam and others that don't share his beliefs or his stances.

Stay tuned to this channel.

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#73 OILERSORDEATH
August 25 2010, 03:15PM
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Fu$%!! Willie Mitchel signs with the Kings!

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#74 knobert
August 25 2010, 03:16PM
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David S wrote:

Since we're off topic yet again, I have to say Crystal Leriger is looking pretty good these days, and Zack Stortini's golf game seems to be coming around.*

*How's that for random?

Now that's funny!!!

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#75 BurkeTheTurd
August 25 2010, 03:19PM
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David S wrote:

Since we're off topic yet again, I have to say Crystal Leriger is looking pretty good these days, and Zack Stortini's golf game seems to be coming around.*

*How's that for random?

Crystal Leriger ?? who is she? and where might i find a picture...haha

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#76 Crash
August 25 2010, 03:21PM
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Ender wrote:

Maybe you should. I did it within the first 10 seconds of posting.

(Damn your cursed refresh moment!)

No one is perfect. To indicate that someone's point is irrelevant based on how it is expressed, though . . . you can see how that's dangerous ground to tread on.

Well it was a short message you posted so to have the spelling mistake in the 1st line was kind of comical. A short message should only take 10 seconds to edit.

And btw, you have it backwards, I never said anyone's point is irrelevant...show me where I said that. It's OB1 that seems to think that my point is irrelevant and that I should join the realm of reality.

He decided that he doesn't think it's necessary to point out things that are possible, only things that are probable as he sees it.

I can admit to not being perfect, but can OB1? No, I don't think so....he sees himself as being smarter than everyone else. I've seen him belittle multiple people on here and I'd had enough.

You want to debate a point with me, that's great, you want to talk down to me like you're some supreme being...I've got a problem with that. I don't do it to others and I don't expect it to be done to me.

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#77 Cowbell_Feva
August 25 2010, 03:40PM
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I can't stand to say this, but Vancouver is going to win the West. Gillis has done well this off-season, to go along with what they had last year.

Will be long games when we go to Vancity.

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#78 Crash
August 25 2010, 03:41PM
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Cowbell_Feva wrote:

I can't stand to say this, but Vancouver is going to win the West. Gillis has done well this off-season, to go along with what they had last year.

Will be long games when we go to Vancity.

I just got a copy of the Hockey News yearbook and they share your sentiment on that.

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#79 Quicksilver ballet
August 25 2010, 04:03PM
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It's a tough week here again is it?

Never give a Oilersnation member suffering with PMS a GPS, or you'll end up with a Biotch who knows where to find you.

As Nacho says.... take it eeeasssayyy, guys.

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#80 ubermiguel
August 25 2010, 04:17PM
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9 Inches Uncut wrote:

We need to be patient. Very patient. Hall, MPS, Eberle and Gagner won't be dominating the hockey business for quite some time. They're just kids, folks.

LT I know you watch hockey so it should be apparent it's a young man's game these days.

Seems to be going that way based on the leaders of the last 2 Cup teams (plus OV). But are players seriously peaking at 24 these days? Are the days of guys like Sakic and Yzerman dominating into their middle 30s gone?

I suspect it's a talent-cycle peaking, we'll probably see the current crop of youngsters dominate for a decade or more.

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#81 Adam
August 25 2010, 04:21PM
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@dawgbone

I am not sure if you are trying to say that Hall isn't as good as we think he is or better?

I would think that Hall being on such a good team and putting up great numbers is a huge bonus. It means that he is delivering at elite levels with lower amounts of icetime (from when I watched he played no where near the amount Seguin did). I would say this puts him ahead of guys that were the only good player on their teams - like Seguin, Tavares and Stamkos.

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#82 book¡e
August 25 2010, 04:45PM
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BurkeTheTurd wrote:

Crystal Leriger ?? who is she? and where might i find a picture...haha

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#83 Cheesenaka
August 25 2010, 04:47PM
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Steve Tambellini will not sign any more free agents this summer:

http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/blogs/hockey/archive/2010/08/25/tambellini-not-in-the-hunt-for-any-more-players-on-oilers.aspx

Information from the interview today with Bob Stauffer.

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#85 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
August 25 2010, 05:18PM
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David S wrote:

Since we're off topic yet again, I have to say Crystal Leriger is looking pretty good these days, and Zack Stortini's golf game seems to be coming around.*

*How's that for random?

midget horse cheese burrito?

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#86 PabstBR55
August 25 2010, 05:27PM
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Dear ON readers,

The most important question of the day is: Who from the current crop of young Oilers do you feel is most likely to follow in Louie Debrusk's footsteps and end up doing colour commentary on SportsNet in 2020?

My vote is for Pisani - with him and Principe together, we've got that problem solved until our children have children.

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#87 Ender
August 25 2010, 05:58PM
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Cheesenaka wrote:

Steve Tambellini will not sign any more free agents this summer:

http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/blogs/hockey/archive/2010/08/25/tambellini-not-in-the-hunt-for-any-more-players-on-oilers.aspx

Information from the interview today with Bob Stauffer.

The big news in here for me was on Souray. When Stauffer asked "Is it an option to bring him back?"

Steve Tambellini said:

I'm not going there at this point. I don't want to go there because I'm focused on trying to make a deal and I want other teams to know that, too."

OK, the question Stauffer asked was the perfect opportunity for Tambi to be non-committal and say something like "Anything is possible. I envision several different scenarios that could occur and we'll just have to see as the situation progresses which one is best for our hockey club." or some other wishy-washy statement that means 'I have no idea what I'm going to do." He also completely ignored Souray's name when discussing his possible defencemen this year. The fact that he didn't take the easy road to me indicates that he does have a plan, and I think if it involved Sheldon playing here in the fall he'd have said so or at least alluded to the possibility. I'm guessing Tambi knows it will be a cold day in Hell before his defensive core includes Souray again.

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#89 vishcosity
August 25 2010, 06:44PM
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Ender: Agree completely. I think they've sort of tipped their hands before this, but ST was pretty well organized in his response.

Souray's a leper in Edmonton, at least with regard to Oilers management.

SIGH.

I heard that too and thought the same thing. While I was listening for "we finished dead last and are exploring all options to improve our club" all I heard was "we're the ones who know best and we're going to steam roll any semblance of opposition from inside our organization."

Is Jack Michael Michaels loving the prospects of moving to balmier climates or what? What a name. I'm going to call him Chaz.

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#90 Quicksilver ballet
August 25 2010, 09:00PM
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Souray will finally get that "special" treatment he was hoping to get from management now.

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#91 Harlie
August 25 2010, 09:47PM
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@vishcosity

or you could say that the Oilers really added jam when they added Michaels. Get it. JaM. sigh...

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#92 Bob Loblaw
August 25 2010, 10:36PM
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dawgbone wrote:

Hall isn't even as close to as dominant as Kane or Tavares were.

As for Stamkos, he scored 20 more goals his draft year than Hall did (and Hall is supposed to be a goal scorer).

Hall gets a lot of credit for being on a very good team, but people forget there were a lot of good players on that team. For instance they traded Austin Watson (who was playing on their 3rd line) to Peterborough. He went and scored 20 points in 10 games with the Petes. There were a lot of good players and lots of depth on Windsor and it's important to evaluate Hall as a player, not as a member of Windsor.

"I can't hear you, I've got these two Memorial Cup MVP rings plugging my ears."

-Taylor Hall

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#93 Librarian Mike
August 25 2010, 10:53PM
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David S wrote:

Since we're off topic yet again, I have to say Crystal Leriger is looking pretty good these days, and Zack Stortini's golf game seems to be coming around.*

*How's that for random?

Well, speaking of random.

Remember when Doug Weight played here? That was awesome.

*swoons*

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#94 Death Metal Nightmare
August 26 2010, 06:31AM
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a) Gagner will never dominate unless the talent pool of his generation drops extremely so he can scoot around with his cartoon feet and 2' stick handling reach.

b) Hall and MPS will emerge way faster to consistency than Gagner (unless you consider pooping his bed 80% of the season and then scoring in "clusters" for 20% to get around 40-50 points). better speed, size, drive, and ability to apply their skill is head and shoulders above Gagner. sorry, Russian Super Series Crapola Heroics doesnt count anymore. time to dig some new history.

c) clusters work currently. clusters werent always PARAMOUNT to strategic team building. its in vogue currently because of economics. were the Red Wings of 2001-2002 trying to work in clusters? nope, they were trying to buy a cup in a different economic field. Datsyuk was hardly a factor and emerged later.

clusters of the 80s/Oilers is completely different. yes, the game is always revolutionizing, changing form and "evolving" its amorphous shape. the 80s/Oilers was a completely different thing, as we all know, and shouldnt be depressing but understood as a cluster that changed the game (along with guys like Mario, etc).

d) with how lame the Oilers vets are, Hall is going to need enormous drive to become the player we want him to be. aside from Hemsky as a skilled player to help him elevate each others games - most of the rest of the team as a source of development (outside of "intangibles") is either retarded, inconsistent, super young, or cant handle "Taking the bull by the horns" as true NHL leaders in a successful matrix.

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#95 madjam
August 26 2010, 08:04AM
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I would hope the Oilers don't treat any players past or present like they are treating and handling the Souray standoff . You drag him through the embarrassment of waivers for what stupid purpose ? Next, you lay blame on him for your failures to sign Cogs and Gagner ? Is it any wonder why players don't want to come to this organization when they treat players in that manner ?

Get a grip here , management is making organization look stupid much more so than Souray . End the impasse , but don't keep continuing to make him the scapegoat for your own failures to move him . Crap man, you don't go to war against your own players . You make no attempt to doing anything other than to continue to make an example of him in a negative light and hang him out to dry to media and fans abuse . End the vendetta (screwing him over ) for him speaking out, and get on with building the club before you make matters worse .

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#96 David S
August 26 2010, 08:29AM
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Holy crap. I've finally figured it out. It all makes sense now.

MADJAM IS SHELDON SOURAY!!!!!

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#97 Archaeologuy
August 26 2010, 08:37AM
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@David S

I refuse to believe that Madjam was allowed to touch this woman.

http://www.celebagents.co.uk/images/pics/AngelicaBridges3.jpg

My world will crumble if I learn this to be true.

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#98 Ender
August 26 2010, 08:54AM
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Situation: You're a manager at a large firm and one day while walking past the water cooler, you see one of your employees chatting with several of his office pals while smoking a big fat joint.

Do you:

A) Invite everyone else back to their offices so you can take some time to explain to Joe Kool why he's fired, or

B) Employ the madjam model of management and keep walking to your own office so you can reflect on how you've failed as a manager and what the next best steps are to rehabilitate this obviously unhappy and misguided soul back into a healthy and productive member of your organization?

I'm afraid I know the answer already.

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#99 D-Man
August 26 2010, 09:07AM
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madjam wrote:

I would hope the Oilers don't treat any players past or present like they are treating and handling the Souray standoff . You drag him through the embarrassment of waivers for what stupid purpose ? Next, you lay blame on him for your failures to sign Cogs and Gagner ? Is it any wonder why players don't want to come to this organization when they treat players in that manner ?

Get a grip here , management is making organization look stupid much more so than Souray . End the impasse , but don't keep continuing to make him the scapegoat for your own failures to move him . Crap man, you don't go to war against your own players . You make no attempt to doing anything other than to continue to make an example of him in a negative light and hang him out to dry to media and fans abuse . End the vendetta (screwing him over ) for him speaking out, and get on with building the club before you make matters worse .

Management has handled this situation quite professionally... Neither Tambellini or Lowe have went to the press to air out the dirty laundry they have on Souray. Souray, as talented as he is, made the decision to publicly air his displeasure... twice... Not only is this unprofessional, he's lowered his trade value... Who wants someone who's going to complain when the "going gets rough"?? Tambellini was forced to waive Souray as he hasn't had a healthy season in two years... He carries a huge contract, has health issues, and a big mouth. Who wants to carry that monkey on their back?

I don't necessarily agree that the Souray issue should delay the signings of Cogs and Gagner. Both are RFA's and no one in this day or age are going to give them a huge offer sheet. Tambo still has a bit of time to get this done. Although I must admit, he moves quite slowly for my liking, one must appreciate his deliberate approach to the team.

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#100 Harlie
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I'd consider Madjam lucky if he didn't touch Angelica. I wonder where this is at now??

" Anjelica Bridges sues Sheldon Souray: Anjelica Bridges & Sheldon Souray lawsuit

October 17, 2009 | Posted by Esther Gabriel

Anjelica Bridges has sued her ex husband, Sheldon Souray (defenseman player for Edmonton Oilers), for $14 million. Bridges claimed she was stifled out of half of her share of Souray’s $27 million contract with the NHL.

Bridges said Souray cheated her by misleading her to sign their divorce papers just before he signed the lucrative contract with the NHL. Bridges claimed Souray tricked her into signing divorce papers by saying they needed a fresh start.

After she signed them, she discovered Souray had a new $27 million contract. Bridges said she was too late to lay a claim on her share. Bridges wants $14 million for special damages, on top of the $18 K child support she receives monthly.

http://glimmernews.com/anjelica-bridges-sues-sheldon-souray-anjelica-bridges-sheldon-souray-lawsuit/

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