Souray: a marriage of convenience?

Robin Brownlee
August 05 2010 02:51PM

CALGARY, AB, CANADA - AUGUST 4: Steve Staios of the Calgary Flames puts on his jersey at the NHL Heritage Classic Press Conference at McMahon Stadium on August 4, 2010 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. (Photo by Dylan Lynch/Getty Images)

My wife told me she plans to get a clown to show up at my son Sam's 4th birthday party next weekend and I immediately envisioned a player from the Calgary Flames showing up at my house in that hideous throwback jersey they just unveiled for the Heritage Classic.

As ugly as those threads are -- and with the obligatory Ronald McDonald shot fired at the City of Cows, where they'll be announcing plans for fright wigs, red-striped socks and floppy skates to complete the look next week -- the Flames have nothing on the Edmonton Oilers when it comes to ugly and their stalemate with Sheldon Souray.

SUNRISE, FL - DECEMBER 7: Sheldon Souray #44 of the Edmonton Oilers skates prior to the game against the Florida Panthers on December 7, 2009 at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Florida. The Oilers defeated the Panthers 3-2 in a shoot out. (Photo by Joel Auerbach/Getty Images)

Souray, as everybody knows by now, has been profoundly unhappy with his lot in life with the Oilers for a long time, and that's something he left little doubt about at the end of last season.

Given Souray's criticism of the team in general, which is absolute gold for reporters but blasphemy to the ears of Kevin Lowe, Steve Tambellini and those who believe no amount of bungling by the Oilers justifies a public airing like Souray delivered, it's safe to say the relationship is done.

My question -- and it's one that's been posed by others here -- is this: for the good of Souray and the Oilers, and in the name of expediting the process of getting No. 44 gone, does it make sense for both sides to try to patch things up until the phone rings?

Can Souray and the Oilers fake it to move things along?

WHAT SAY YOU?

Jonathan Willis, for one, raised the question not long ago and I had my say in the comments then -- I don't think it's a great idea to have a player as unhappy as Souray clearly is sitting in a dressing room full of young prospects as the Oilers set out on a rebuild.

That's my gut reaction, and it's something that seldom steers me wrong. That said, and given that the Oilers haven't been able to give Souray away despite trying every which way you can name, does it make any real sense to simply bury him in the minors to keep him away from all those tender ears and impressionable minds?

Does it make sense to send Souray a message and try to teach him a lesson? I don't think the money the Oilers are paying Souray spends any different if he's drawing it in the minors amid admiring glances from young ladies in Oklahoma City or "getting it" here in Edmonton, but is there a need for a symbolic slap on the wrist? You tell me.

On the flipside, what's the real downside of having Souray report to training camp, even if he and the Oilers must hold their noses, with the intention of at least starting the season here? Is there one?

MONEY SPENT

Until the Oilers can unload him, owner Daryl Katz is on the hook for $4.5 million for each of the next two seasons whether Souray plays a minute in Edmonton or not.

And, while it might suck to be staying in AHL hotels and enduring AHL travel instead of going first-class in the NHL, Souray isn't going to turn his back on that stack of cake and refuse to report.

So, again, is it in the best interests of both parties to patch things up, at least to the point where they can co-exist and tolerate each other until Souray again has enough value to garner a bucket of pucks, anything? Would the Oilers accept a mea culpa from Souray? Should they?

Or, is it better in the long run for Katz to pay the price of a steep AHL ticket and get Souray the hell out and away from the kids during what's obviously a critical period of transition for the team?

Like a marriage gone bad, there are going to be trade-offs no matter which way the Oilers and Souray go. And, as has been made abundantly clear, this is a union forever broken.

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#51 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
August 05 2010, 06:05PM
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@Souby

As off the wall as it is, i like it. Simply for the fact that it's realistic. Problem for a problem. I think it's the only way Souray gets shipped because... Souray is definitely not coming back.

Sorry but if you criticize the way i do my job to literally millions of people and/or just sort of slander me in general to that many people, I'm not going to forget it. Ever.

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#52 Crash
August 05 2010, 06:34PM
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Ender wrote:

It takes two to void the contract. If the Oil tell him not to show up, Souray still gets paid.

Yes, I know, lol, that's why I said in the post that if he doesn't show up at camp they can void his contract if Falco is correct and then I said unless the Oilers instruct him to not show up.

Meaning if Souray doesn't show up, void away, but if the Oilers instruct him not to show up then they can't void away.

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#53 Chris.
August 05 2010, 06:38PM
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DonDon wrote:

Both the Oilers organization and Souray are left with what could be described as a Hobson's Choice. A terrible situation to be in.

After reading this thread, and the Wikipedia explanation of a "Hobson's Choice"; I see the Souray situation as more of a Morton's Fork. (Buyout vs keeping a negative influence anywhere in the organization)

It's my fear the Oilers will have to move a pick, prospect, or even Cogliano just to make Souray go away. Sad. So sad.

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#54 madjam
August 05 2010, 07:24PM
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Now that you have all laid the blame on Souray , how about the people that led to Souray wanting out ? He, like Moreau and many others, are the victims here . They did not want out by choice originally . Management lack of forsight and damage , etc. control certainly played a major part in players wanting to leave here . I don't see any reason to try and lay all the blame on the players for managements lack of asset control .

Management let the team down, and the players . Let them take their fair share/accountability of the blame here . The onus is on management to make first strides towards accommodation here .

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#55 book¡e
August 05 2010, 07:46PM
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Ender wrote:

bookie wrote:

I think it depends. 1. Could Souray actually be happy here (with the changes in dressing room staff, trainers, coaches, players, etc.)? 2. Is Souray one of the 'problem guys' in the room in any way? If the answers are yes and no in that order, then his playing would be fine. If the answers are no and yes, then it would be better to pay him to sit on a beach somewhere. As much as Souray vented about management, many of his frustrations may have been with the people and processes that the team had in place.

Do you remember what Souray actually said to the Press?

“It’s not a players thing, it’s not a fans thing or a city thing. It’s a management thing. They’ve given up on me, and it’s a two-way street.” “You talk about Prongs (Chris Pronger) and guys like that, and it should raise an eyebrow when players who leave town are skipping out with a smile on their face.”

Great thundering nipsywhizzies; if he said that in public, what did he yell at Tambi in K-Lowe's office?

Yes, but "It's a management thing" but management can be referred to as a verb and as a noun. I am sure Souray meant both the people in charge and what they were doing (i.e. how they were managing). However, much has changed with regards to how the Oilers are managing the team. Some people might argue that much has changed in WHO is managing the team.

(I speculate a lot here and its all just me guessing based upon Souray's comments and other things we have heard)

Souray may have disliked the coach, the captain, and other things about how the team was run. Souray's biggest frustrations might be with the Lowe Brothers - Keven and Ken (I say this because he ranted about 'management' wanting him to play injured). Its possible that he was somewhat OK with Tambi and some of the changes (New trainer, new coach, Moreau gone, etc.) may have addressed his concerns enough that he might be OK with a return to the dressing room (particularly with the other options available).

I don't know for sure, but I would bet that quite a few of the Oiler players are happy about a lot of the changes.

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#56 6 ring circus
August 05 2010, 08:15PM
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The fact that he cleared waivers and nobody wants him, will show Souray that he better shut up and come in and play,He over estimated his value,the Oilers will be doing him a favor by keeping him in the show,and he should show some class by being a pro and showing some leadership,If that does not work, banish him in the minors.

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#57 TV
August 05 2010, 09:13PM
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Another point that is being overlooked...

Souray CANNOT be sent to the ECHL without HIS permission. Only players who are on ECL SPC's can be sent to the ECHL without their written permission.

So let's take this "send SS to Stockton so he is closer to his kids" mantra out of the scenario before anyone goes down that path again.

x6

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#58 master of my domain
August 05 2010, 09:21PM
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now if only the flames still had commedore, his red fro in that jersey would be classic

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#59 Reagan
August 05 2010, 09:27PM
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Hey,

Honestly it sounds like the players of old are griping because the lack of pampering. Spoiled freaken brats.

PRONGER, PECA, and now SOURAY....

Spoiled A Holes...

Those OLD School traditions died years ago.

Time to get with it. According to Gary Bettman "This is the NEW NHL"....

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#60 Jerk Store
August 05 2010, 09:36PM
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Madjam What color is the sky in your world? When was it ever a good idea for Souray to torpedo the organization (and ironically himself) instead of waiting for a trade? He and / or his agent handled this in a moronic manner. The fact he sewered himself and unearthed what his true value (or lack thereof) in the league can be filed under "Just Desserts" While Moreau was at one time a blood and guts guy he has been pouting for a couple of years - since his brother was skidded as fitness consultant?? Self-sacrifice and heart were replaced by selfish penalties and the inability to bond with the young guys in the room. There are plenty examples of how management dropped the ball. However to call either of these guys a victim is asinine.

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#61 RossCreekNation
August 05 2010, 09:39PM
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Crash wrote:

He doesn't have to clear re-entry waivers until he is sent down which hasn't happened.

He is still part of the big club but can now be sent down at any time.

What do you mean "can now be sent down at any time"? He still has to clear waivers before being sent down (if they were to go that route, which they won't).

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#62 RossCreekNation
August 05 2010, 09:41PM
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Souby wrote:

Because of the salary cap there is so little in the way of trades these days. So I figured why not throw out an off the wall idea, sit back, and get torn to shreds by everyone at Oilersnation. Here goes:

To Washington: Cogs (approx 2010 cap-hit 1.2Mil) & Souray (5.4Mil cap hit) = Approx 6.6Mil total cap-hit.

To Edmonton: David Steckel (1.1Mil cap-hit), Jason Chimera (1.875Mil cap-hit) and Michael Nylander (4.875Mil cap-hit) = 7.85Mil total cap-hit.

I know it sounds crazy to even think about adding Nylander’s name to the conversation, but hear me out. Sure he shunned the Oil before, and he will never wear Oiler silks and he comes with a high price tag. The positive side of this deal is he only has 1 year left on the contract and we would get a solid 3rd line center that is big and wins face-offs. We would also get a 3rd/4th line winger who is a veteran, knows the city, can kill penalties and is a great skater. Lastly, we would not have Souray’s 5.4Mil cap-hit to deal with next year.

Any thoughts folks?

Nylander doesn't currently count against their cap... therefore, they'd be taking on Souray's $5.4M cap hit in this deal without losing Nylander's (since his doesn't count right now).

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#63 RossCreekNation
August 05 2010, 09:42PM
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Souby wrote:

No, but according to capgeek.com, he is still on Washington's books.

... as a non-roster player, meaning his cap hit doesn't count.

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#64 Crash
August 05 2010, 10:05PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

What do you mean "can now be sent down at any time"? He still has to clear waivers before being sent down (if they were to go that route, which they won't).

He already cleared waivers...where have ya been?

So yes they will and they have...Souray can go directly to the minors as soon as the season begins.

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#65 RossCreekNation
August 05 2010, 10:14PM
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@Crash

He would have to re-clear waivers once again after training camp before he could be sent down.

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#66 Crash
August 05 2010, 10:17PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

He would have to re-clear waivers once again after training camp before he could be sent down.

I don't think so...he already cleared, he doesn't have to clear a second time...they can send him down and put him on re-entry waivers if they want.

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#67 RossCreekNation
August 05 2010, 10:20PM
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@Crash

Welp... lets bet an internet loonie on this. Quite certain that once training camp (or the new season) begins, it starts from scratch. Pretty sure he'd have to clear waivers once again before they could send him down. Not that they'll go that route. They may just place him on waivers once again to see if anyone steps up, though.

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#68 Crash
August 05 2010, 10:22PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Welp... lets bet an internet loonie on this. Quite certain that once training camp (or the new season) begins, it starts from scratch. Pretty sure he'd have to clear waivers once again before they could send him down. Not that they'll go that route. They may just place him on waivers once again to see if anyone steps up, though.

LOL, ok, you may be on to something there, you win...

You're also probably right that if they haven't moved him somehow that they will waive him again.

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#69 Mike
August 05 2010, 10:24PM
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Crash wrote:

I don't think so...he already cleared, he doesn't have to clear a second time...they can send him down and put him on re-entry waivers if they want.

Clearing waivers only last a few weeks, then you have to clear again.

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#70 Crash
August 05 2010, 10:27PM
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Mike wrote:

Clearing waivers only last a few weeks, then you have to clear again.

Actually I believe it's like RC says...it resets at the start of the season and goes to the end of that season and he would only have to clear once during the season.

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#71 bill
August 05 2010, 11:13PM
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I haven't the time to read all the comments so I apologise if this is old news but the problem with the ticket to the minors theory is that there are plenty of important young kids in OK city as well. Is it any better to be a bad influence on them than the ones that are here and closely watched?

That being said I can see Souray being a pro and playing hard if he is still here.

Bill

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#72 TV
August 05 2010, 11:21PM
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@Crash

Acutally, it's 12 days before the NHL regular season begins. (games outside of North America do not count)

So for this upcoming season, the waiver period begins 12 days before October 7th, not when training camps starts or the date the season begins.

x6

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#73 TV
August 05 2010, 11:38PM
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@TV

The waiver period also lasts till each Clubs final game of the season, (regular or playoffs) & not just until the end of the regular season.

(Actually!)

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#74 Stan_the_Caddy
August 06 2010, 07:30AM
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Hi Robin,

A little OT, but as you seem to be someone "in the know," has there been any talk of the Oil ditching their road whites? I know they had an agreement with Reebok to wear them for X years, has that expired now? I'd love to see them move permanently to their throw-backs they wore quite frequently last year, road whites included.

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#75 Dodd
August 06 2010, 08:33AM
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"If I could go back and do it again, I would have sat Chris Pronger".

- Kevin Lowe fom the TSN documentary Oil Change

It's obvious that Souray was part of the mysterious "locker room problems" that plagued us last year. I think it's in our best interest publicly and rookie - wise to let Souray work out on his own this year, and catch up on his soaps. I deeply respected the Senators when they sat Yashin. They still traded him and got Chara and a pick that became Spezza.

We have $11Mill in cap space with Souray's pay on the books. Sitting Souray won't cripple us.

I realize Souray is no Yashin, but I think there's alot of honor in sitting a problem player. Last time we gave in to 44's demands we didn't get much.

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#76 vishcosity
August 06 2010, 08:55AM
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If Souray was trying to be the whistle blower for an organization that he cheered for as a boy, do people mostly think he should be shot for his attempts? Is there legislation in Canada which protects that sort of thing?

Maybe he was trying to do something to help shake it up, to ease the coming changes somehow; remember these dudes rarely graduate from high school let alone have working knowledge of savvy socio-political methodology. Oilers have demonstrated a pretty locked down ship, maybe he was really trying to do something legit.

Is it possible his intentions were reasonable despite being imperfect in method? Can we herald a guy brave enough to take on this OBC? Should we ever side with the corporation when it comes to whistle blowing anyway?

As for me, I will cheer if he comes back.

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#77 DeeDee
August 06 2010, 09:26AM
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The way I understand it, after the end of the PREVIOUS season, Souray met privately with management and requested a trade.

This came after a very good season and his value was at its highest.

The guy snapped after a crappy season and after spending a year trying to leave the organization he shot his mouth off. If all he cared about was the money he could just show up at the rink every day and collect his cheques.

The Oilers had a long time to do something about the situation, and have to share some of the blame.

One of the reasons Souray was brought here was to try to encourage other high profile UFA's to come to Edmonton and that experiment failed miserably.

There doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground with Edmonton fans. The switch gets toggled from love to hate pretty quickly. Management is not always 100% correct in every siuation, and the players are not always 100% wrong.

The Oilers have two choices, buy out Souray or let him come back and play.

They are well under the cap and have an owner that can afford the buyout. If they consider him poison to the room then remove him.

I feel Souray can still come back. He didn't dump on the fans, or fellow players, he dumped on Management.

Press conference, apology, move on with the future.

Sticking him in the minors does nothing other than being vindictive. It certainly won't be a shining beacon of an example to try to attract more players to our town.

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#78 Cowbell_Feva
August 06 2010, 09:43AM
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Mark wrote:

Just buy him out! Expensive? Yes! But this would be better than having him poison the room in Edmonton or Oklahoma. Bite the bullet; we are finally starting to build a franchise that free agents will take less money to come to in a few years in search of Lord Stanley’s cup (like Detroit and Chicago). Don’t blow it to get a bag of pucks for him!

IF, Edmonton is going to make an expensive buy-out it should be for Horcoff, not Souray.

Souray has been publicly humiliated by being put on waivers, and to top it off, nobody took the bait. Surely he's realized he's not as coveted as he probably thought when he made those comments.

Having Souray/Whitney and Foster/Gilbert (move the 4 around to your preference) as your PP pointmen wouldn't bother me. That and Shelly has some nastiness to his game.

I say play him and hope he blows a few holes in the net to bring up the trade value, then either trade him, or if Cinderella decides to tell a story, keep him and have him end Kipprusoff's career with a hellacious slapper.

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#79 David S
August 06 2010, 09:57AM
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DeeDee wrote:

The way I understand it, after the end of the PREVIOUS season, Souray met privately with management and requested a trade.

This came after a very good season and his value was at its highest.

The guy snapped after a crappy season and after spending a year trying to leave the organization he shot his mouth off. If all he cared about was the money he could just show up at the rink every day and collect his cheques.

The Oilers had a long time to do something about the situation, and have to share some of the blame.

One of the reasons Souray was brought here was to try to encourage other high profile UFA's to come to Edmonton and that experiment failed miserably.

There doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground with Edmonton fans. The switch gets toggled from love to hate pretty quickly. Management is not always 100% correct in every siuation, and the players are not always 100% wrong.

The Oilers have two choices, buy out Souray or let him come back and play.

They are well under the cap and have an owner that can afford the buyout. If they consider him poison to the room then remove him.

I feel Souray can still come back. He didn't dump on the fans, or fellow players, he dumped on Management.

Press conference, apology, move on with the future.

Sticking him in the minors does nothing other than being vindictive. It certainly won't be a shining beacon of an example to try to attract more players to our town.

Ahhh!!! The cool, refreshing breeze of sanity.

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#80 Jerk Store
August 06 2010, 12:31PM
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While the last few comments are rationale and well-thought out, I have to disagree. I believe you are naïve to think that Sourays reasoning for his rant ... Sorry ... "Mission statement" were altruistic. His goal was not to speak up to turnaround a team he loved as a boy. That is a Hallmark special not reality. His motive was to look after his own interests and it backfired mightily. If you want to idolize the guy fine. But to me he is either a moron for saying what he did / when he did or he took some bad advice. I will not defend some of the signings that K lowe / tambellini made. But to say that Souray was motivated by anything but his own agenda - you are sadly misguided.

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#81 Dodd
August 06 2010, 12:51PM
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Jerk Store wrote:

While the last few comments are rationale and well-thought out, I have to disagree. I believe you are naïve to think that Sourays reasoning for his rant ... Sorry ... "Mission statement" were altruistic. His goal was not to speak up to turnaround a team he loved as a boy. That is a Hallmark special not reality. His motive was to look after his own interests and it backfired mightily. If you want to idolize the guy fine. But to me he is either a moron for saying what he did / when he did or he took some bad advice. I will not defend some of the signings that K lowe / tambellini made. But to say that Souray was motivated by anything but his own agenda - you are sadly misguided.

I absolutely agree here. When a player like him comes out in the press and throws stones like that, every other team takes notice of the fact that he publicly turned on the team that pays him arguably more than his half - seasons are worth.

IMHO some things come with your big NHL cheque: the expectation that you tow the company line is one of those. This means that you air your grievances privately, even if you did so in the past, you continue to do so. This - Souray is finding out - will also protect your perceived value.

Anyone suggesting that Souray threw himself and his value under the bus "for the good of the team" probably thinks wrestling is real.

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#82 Mike Modano's Dog
August 06 2010, 01:06PM
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I think you have a nice long talk with Sheldon Souray first and let him come back IF he can be professional and have the right attitude about it. You know, the talk he never had with them when he was a 'member' of the team.

He should respect the fact that, even if he can't stand the organization and they likely feel the same, that they are willing to allow him to play up in the NHL if he can be professional about it. That definitely would show professionalism on the Oilers' part in all of this. Wasn't that was one of his complaints? Now, if he doesn't show that at any time during training camp or during the season then we would send him down, and continue to do so until he is either far enough away (ECHL, if necessary), or positive enough, to not be a bad influence on the kids in our system. I think that would be a win/win for everone at this point...or as close as we could come to now.

Let's face it, life is seldom as cut and dried or as rosy as we would like it to be, so why not make the best of the situation. Even though I'm not worried about it at all but I think it would show well for agents and the P.A. for budding UFAs, better than the 'let's show everyone who crosses our path what we will do to them' model of management.

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#83 Jerk Store
August 06 2010, 01:54PM
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MMD (great name by the way), At one time I agreed with your "can't we just get along" approach and I will go one further and say that it is likely a more prudent position than mine. However let me offer you this story. I am a consultant who signed a five year contract that pays me in the top 5% of my peers and more than 99.9% of the population of the country. The company I signed with, ABC Widget Sales, paid me well because I had one year with another company where I just killed it. My sales were awesome. I had a great 1st year with ABC but since then I have had some health problems and have only been to work about 1/2 the time and my sales have dropped by 60% - through no fault of my own. Luckily my contract provided me with a full paycheque even when I was sick. As I was home recovering, I noticed I did not like the way my boss did business and he hired some real dogs. So with two years left on my contract I decided to let him have it. I took out an ad in Widget Sales Monthly and let everyone in the industry know how stupid he was, because he is a Galactic Moron. So I am feeling better now and I think I am going to find a better company to work for. Going to the mailbox everyday waiting for offers, certainly head hunters are bound to call. But even if something does not come up I will go back to the ABC head office - or maybe the warehouse in New Sarepta. Doesn't really matter as long as the cheque clears. Have a great day!

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#84 Cowbell_Feva
August 06 2010, 02:04PM
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Jerk Store wrote:

MMD (great name by the way), At one time I agreed with your "can't we just get along" approach and I will go one further and say that it is likely a more prudent position than mine. However let me offer you this story. I am a consultant who signed a five year contract that pays me in the top 5% of my peers and more than 99.9% of the population of the country. The company I signed with, ABC Widget Sales, paid me well because I had one year with another company where I just killed it. My sales were awesome. I had a great 1st year with ABC but since then I have had some health problems and have only been to work about 1/2 the time and my sales have dropped by 60% - through no fault of my own. Luckily my contract provided me with a full paycheque even when I was sick. As I was home recovering, I noticed I did not like the way my boss did business and he hired some real dogs. So with two years left on my contract I decided to let him have it. I took out an ad in Widget Sales Monthly and let everyone in the industry know how stupid he was, because he is a Galactic Moron. So I am feeling better now and I think I am going to find a better company to work for. Going to the mailbox everyday waiting for offers, certainly head hunters are bound to call. But even if something does not come up I will go back to the ABC head office - or maybe the warehouse in New Sarepta. Doesn't really matter as long as the cheque clears. Have a great day!

I'm not really buying the fact that a salesman with ABC Widget is making more cash than 99.9% of the population. No slight to you Jerk Store, but there are people in ABC Widget making way more than you so...

You know what they say about the guy who brags about how big his man hood is!

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#85 Jerk Store
August 06 2010, 02:09PM
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Cowbell_Feva wrote:

I'm not really buying the fact that a salesman with ABC Widget is making more cash than 99.9% of the population. No slight to you Jerk Store, but there are people in ABC Widget making way more than you so...

You know what they say about the guy who brags about how big his man hood is!

~Thanks for picking up on my subtle metaphor. What are the odds you missed it all three years you attended sixth grade.~

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#86 Mike Modano's Dog
August 06 2010, 05:31PM
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@Jerk Store

That is an interesting take, as well. Thanks for that and I can see where you're coming from, as it's a win-win for Souray. Even though I'm not against his speaking out about the problems with management I am strictly look at this from the point of view of what would be best for the Oilers.

I still believe that IF he can be professional about it, and positive in the dressing room that it would be better with him here.

If that can't be the case anymore, so be it and there is no way we would keep him up with our NHL team. Then we would have to look at the other alternatives, and none of them are good (for either party). At that point what do you do with him; I don't know...but one of those hard choices must be made. All considered though, I hope we don't have to make that decision (which would be forced by Souray's attitude in my scenario because the Oilers would be willing to have him return to the team). It would not be a good career move for Sheldon Souray if he wouldn't try to make that work, just as I don't believe it would help our Oilers if they just refused to allow him to return no matter what his attitude was now.

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#87 Jerk Store
August 06 2010, 06:05PM
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I agree - only Souray won't win either (other than collecting a cheque). If they cannot rid themselves of his contract - either through a waiver pickup or taking a bad contract back, it will continue to be a bad situation for both parties. That is why Souray yapping was so dumb. I never understand how these guys think beaking expedites their wishes. My position has always been that Oil management has made lots of errors but it should not be Souray who deems himself the conscience of the collective good and blow the Oilers up while collecting a cheque from them. We can agree to disagree whether he can/will remain part of the organization, but you are right if Souray's contract cannot be dispensed with - the next best option: they can find some common ground. It will be best for both. I just have Zero hope of a happy ending.

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#88 Jerk Store
August 06 2010, 06:06PM
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BTW. Ironically, even though they overpaid, I thought Souray was just what the Oilers needed when they signed him. A physical presence on the blueline with a bomb. Guess that is why I am not a GM.

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#89 Dan
August 07 2010, 01:46AM
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WTF Robin, it's about time you wrote an article. But, next time write something worth reading.

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#90 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
August 07 2010, 04:13AM
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If a Souray apology presser is announced you can bet it will have been preceded by news of him firing his agent.

His agent was the one who must have put it in his head that he had value. Otherwise why the heck would he have done that? He basically publicly demanded a trade. So to publicly demand a trade and then to be put on waivers and not even claimed has to be a tough pill to swallow. On top of that he looks pretty bad (that's not what she said, she being my wife) overall.

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#91 vishcosity
August 07 2010, 08:17AM
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Jerk Store wrote:

While the last few comments are rationale and well-thought out, I have to disagree. I believe you are naïve to think that Sourays reasoning for his rant ... Sorry ... "Mission statement" were altruistic. His goal was not to speak up to turnaround a team he loved as a boy. That is a Hallmark special not reality. His motive was to look after his own interests and it backfired mightily. If you want to idolize the guy fine. But to me he is either a moron for saying what he did / when he did or he took some bad advice. I will not defend some of the signings that K lowe / tambellini made. But to say that Souray was motivated by anything but his own agenda - you are sadly misguided.

I'm not sure you know his motivations and goals, but maybe you do. I'm only saying that its possible that he did what he did for the benefit of others, and if his motivations were in line with the whistle blowers of the world, then good for Sheldon. Wish everyone had 10% of the spine to do stuff like that.

Further, it will be a long day before any amount of money convinces me to side with the man and corporate profit driven ideology.

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#92 Jerk Store
August 07 2010, 08:49AM
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No. I do not know Mr Souray from a hole in the ground so I can not claim to be intimate with his thougt process. However, I base my position on trying to understand the facts and outcomes of actions. If I may, your position is based strictly on ideology. And this is fine as you openly confirm that to be the case. Admittedly I approach things from the right and you from the left. It would be a boring world if we were all the same. Plus the 70s were a much simpler time. Peace, brother.

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#93 Jerk Store
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Vish, Sorry, one other thought I would leave. Mr Souray has made tens of millions of dollars playing hockey and additional $ marketing his image. One could argue he is a corporation and by extension "the man".

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#94 Robin Brownlee
August 07 2010, 03:57PM
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Dan wrote:

WTF Robin, it's about time you wrote an article. But, next time write something worth reading.

It's not cool to pretend you're somebody else -- in this case, Dan Tencer -- so stop.

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#95 vishcosity
August 08 2010, 08:30AM
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@Jerk Store

I've had employees freak out before and its always easier and cheaper to bring them back than train new. Hope Oilers have the sense to admit they were off on some level, show him how they've attempted to accommodate his issues, then accept his apology, let it go and move on. The corporation can use the persona and the team can use the policy enforcement.

Sheldon hasn't necessarily chosen corporate ends over the players themselves, his rant wasn't about corporations, it was about how people are doing things that violate his sense of fair play. Maybe now its going to stop (many people have left since then) or there is nothing he can do about it and he may just simply choose to put his head down and play through the motions because of his obligation to a corporation. nfg.

I want to see the Sheldon Souray who is playing for the team instead of for corporate obligations.

RB - Maybe you could add something on your sense of the altruism of Souray's comments instead. You think he did what he did for the benefit of the players or a $2 attempt to force a trade?

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#96 Knobby
August 08 2010, 03:10PM
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It sends altogether the wrong message to players and agents around the league to conduct public floggings just to satisfy some perverse sense of justice by certain knuckle-dragging fans.

The Oilers conduct vis-a-vis league wide p.r. is likely one of the lowest of the 30 team club of tender egos around the NHL. I would respectfully suggest to Tambo they take the high road at all times and try and restore a rather greasy reputation with players and agents in particular.

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#97 OILERFIRSTNATION
August 09 2010, 05:20AM
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@madjam

This is so true to ad. The oilers management squawndard Rob Shremp and used him up till he was almost worth nothing. They also have made some rediculous moves with Khabibulin and Horcoff. Thes guys are over payed washed up players with no real upside as assets to other teams.

I hope that the Oilers can accomplish more by looking at their new team and giving the core guys a better chance at excelling.

If the moving of Pat Quin was a good marketing move we'll find out by about the 20th game of the season with that move.

We have to give Sheldon the benfit of the doubt because he never targetted any of his team mates just his boss. It took him a long time to get to that point to express his frustration publicaly.

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