Do Pre-Season Stats Mean Anything?

Lowetide
September 02 2010 08:21PM

They say hindsight is 20/20. When it comes to tracking prospects in training camp, even hindsight spends a lot of time guessing.

The Edmonton Oilers have so many good rookies you'd swear we skipped a season for a lockout. It is very difficult to handicap the field. Sure Hall is a lock, Eberle a strong contender and Pääjärvi is right there too. Behind them are Linus Omark, Chris Vande Velde and Teemu Hartikainen. Let me ask you a question: if Linus Omark lit it up in pre-season, would that get him a job? Does a strong pre-season align the tumblers and unlock an NHL job? Here are the rookies who played 2 or more pre-season games over the last 5 pre-seasons for the Edmonton Oilers.

Fall 2005

  1. Zack Stortini 3gp, 1-0-1, 20pims +1
  2. Marc Pouliot 4gp, 1-0-1 -4
  3. Rob Schremp 6gp, 1-0-1 -2
  4. Dan Smith 5gp, 0-1-1 -1
  5. Kyle Brodziak 4gp, 0-1-1 E
  6. Danny Syvret 4gp, 0-1-1 E
  7. Jani Rita 7gp, 0-1-1 -4
  8. Brad Winchester 6gp, 0-0-0 -3
  9. Matt Greene 4gp, 0-0-0 -4
  10. JF Jacques 3gp, 0-0-0 -1
  11. Yan Stastny 3gp, 0-0-0 -5
  12. Mike Morrison 2gp, 0.48 .978
  13. Troy Bodie 2gp, 0-0-0 +1
  14. Mathieu Roy 2gp, 0-0-0 -3

Men who broke camp with the big club in bold and the ones who got at least a cup of coffee with the Oilers are in italics. Of the 14 rookies who played more than one pre-season game, 11 (or 79%) would eventually spend some time in the NHL in 2005-06. Ironically, two of three kids who scored a goal didn't make the team and were not recalled (Schremp and Stortini). All three of the players who didn't play for the Oilers in 05-06 on this list eventually played in an NHL game (Stortini, Schremp, Bodie). So, lets have a look and see if the "more than one pre-season game" rule applies for the following seasons.

Fall 2006

  1. Patrick Thoresen 6gp, 1-4-5 +2
  2. Alexei Mikhnov 5gp, 2-2-4 +1
  3. Rob Schremp 5gp, 2-2-4 -2
  4. Marc Pouliot 6gp, 2-0-2 +1
  5. Jonas Almtorp 3gp, 0-1-1 +1
  6. Sebastien Bisaillon 2gp, 0-1-1 +2
  7. Ladislav Smid 6gp, 0-0-0 +3
  8. Jan Hejda 6gp, 0-0-0 +1
  9. Mathieu Roy 4gp, 0-0-0 +1
  10. JF Jacques 4gp, 0-0-0 E
  11. Tyler Spurgeon 3gp, 0-0-0 +1
  12. Zack Stortini 2gp, 0-0-0 E
  13. Slava Trukhno 2gp, 0-0-0 +1
  14. Bryan Young 2gp, 0-0-0 E
  15. Troy Bodie 2gp, 0-0-0 E
  16. Danny Syvret 2gp, 0-0-0 E
  17. Kyle Brodziak 2gp, 0-0-0 E

Players who made the roster in bold, and it is clear each of them got a long look in training camp. This season (10-11), there should be several rookie forwards getting 6 games or so in pre-season as the coaching staff needs to get an idea right away about their level of ability at a higher level of competition. Of the 17 players listed, 14 (or 82.3 %) got at least a cup of coffee in the show during the 06-07 season. Slava Trukhno, Jonas Almtorp and Tyler Spurgeon all played 2 or more games and didn't make an NHL appearance, thus ruining my wonderful 2 pre-season game theory. Bastages.

Fall 2007

  1. Andrew Cogliano 5gp, 4-3-7 +3
  2. Kyle Brodziak 5gp, 3-2-5 +1
  3. Slava Trukhno 3gp, 1-2-3 E
  4. Sam Gagner 4gp, 2-0-2 +1
  5. Tom Gilbert 4gp, 2-0-2 +1
  6. Tim Sestito 2gp, 1-0-1 E
  7. Rob Schremp 3gp, 0-1-1 +1
  8. Troy Bodie 2gp, 0-1-1 +2
  9. Jonas Almtorp 3gp, 0-0-0 E
  10. Ryan O'Marra 2gp, 0-0-0 -2

Three forwards make the grade in the fall of 2007, and give us the most likely scenario for Hall, Pääjärvi and Eberle. Gagner had that summer tournament that gave him some momentum and I remember MacT gushing over both Cogliano and Brodziak during training camp. They really did force the issue. Gilbert was also a rookie in 2007 fall, making the rookie crop in bold one of the best Oiler fans have seen in many years. Schremp was the only cup of coffee from this season, so only 4 of 9 (44.4%) turned the trick and although Sestito, O'Marra and Bodie have since appeared in the NHL, Trukhno and  Almtorp did not make an NHL appearance during a regular season game in the North American stay.

Fall 2008

  1. Rob Schremp 4gp, 0-2-2 -2
  2. Liam Reddox 2gp, 1-0-1 -1
  3. Tyler Spurgeon 3gp, 1-0-1 +1
  4. Taylor Chorney 4gp, 0-1-1 -4
  5. Slava Turkhno 2gp, 0-1-1 -1
  6. Tim Sestito 2gp, 0-1-1 +1
  7. Theo Peckham 3gp, 0-0-0 -3
  8. Jeff Deslauriers 2gp, 2.81 .921
  9. Colin McDonald 2gp, 0-0-0 E
  10. Steve MacIntyre 2gp, 0-0-0 -1
  11. Guillaume Lefebvre 2gp, 0-0-0 -1
  12. Mathieu Roy 2gp, 0-0-0 -1

Men who made it in bold and the callups in italics. 7 of 12 (58.3%) made the NHL during the 2008-09 season. Eberle by the way played in 1 pre-season game and did get on the scoresheet. Interesting that Spurgeon and Trukhno once again make the list but never got close to the NHL in a regular season game.

Fall 2009

  1. Ryan Stone 5gp, 0-3-3 +4
  2. Jeff Deslauriers 5gp, 2.35 .918
  3. Taylor Chorney 4gp, 1-0-1 E
  4. Alex Plante 3gp, 0-1-1 +3
  5. Rob Schremp 3gp, 0-1-1 E
  6. Devan Dubnyk 3gp, 2.54 .898
  7. Jordan Eberle 4gp, 0-0-0 -1
  8. Johan Motin 2gp, 0-0-0 E
  9. Bryan Young 2gp, 0-0-0 -1

Stone was the only rookie to play opening night, although Deslauriers was on the roster. Chorney, Plante and Motin would also play during the year. Schremp was claimed on waivers and had a solid year on the Island. Dubnyk would also make his NHL debut. Eberle played in 4 games but didn't get a lot done, but it makes for an exciting fall 2010. I should mention that 2 rookies who played 1 pre-season game ended up in the NHL: Ryan O'Marra and Colin McDonald.

I think this fall will most closely resemble 2007, when the Oilers took Gagner and Cogliano directly from junior and college respectively and Kyle Brodziak forced his way onto the roster with his fine play.

Finally, since at least two exceptional talents are going to be rookies in the NHL this season, I thought it might be an idea to post the top 20 rookie seasons by Edmonton Oilers:

Forwards (the 2007-08 rookies in bold)

  1. Jari Kurri (80-81) 75gp, 32-43-75
  2. Jason Arnott (93-94) 78gp, 33-35-68
  3. Dave Lumley (79-80) 80gp, 20-38-58
  4. Glenn Anderson (80-81) 58gp, 30-23-53
  5. Sam Gagner (07-08) 79gp, 13-36-49
  6. Andrew Cogliano (07-08) 82gp, 18-27-45
  7. Raimo Summanen (85-86) 73gp, 19-18-37
  8. Miro Satan (95-96) 62gp, 18-17-35
  9. Jaroslav Pouzar (82-83) 74gp, 15-18-33
  10. Mike Grier (96-97) 79gp, 15-17-32
  11. Kyle Brodziak (07-08) 80gp, 14-17-31
  12. Rem Murray (96-97) 82gp, 11-20-31
  13. David Oliver (94-95) 44gp, 16-14-30
  14. Ales Hemsky (02-03) 59gp, 6-24-30
  15. Jozef Beranek (91-92) 58gp, 12-16-28
  16. Todd Marchant (94-95) 45gp, 13-14-27
  17. Dean McAmmond (93-94) 45gp, 6-21-27
  18. Martin Gelinas (89-90) 46gp, 17-8-25
  19. Mats Lindgren (96-97) 69gp, 11-14-25
  20. Scott Fraser (97-98) 29gp, 12-11-23
  21. Jason Chimera (02-03) 66gp, 14-9-23
  22. Mike Comrie (00-01) 41gp, 8-14-22
  23. Jarret Stoll (03-04) 68gp, 10-11-21
     

The Blue

  1. Tom Gilbert (07-08) 82gp, 13-20-33
  2. Paul Coffey (80-81) 74gp, 9-23-32
  3. Randy Gregg (82-83) 80gp, 6-22-28
  4. Marc-Andre Bergeron (03-04) 54gp, 9-17-26
  5. Steve Smith (85-86) 55gp, 4-20-24
  6. Dan McGillis (96-97) 73gp, 6-16-22
  7. Kevin Lowe (79-80) 64gp, 2-19-21
  8. Tom Poti (98-99) 73gp, 5-16-21

I wonder how many Oiler fans know Tom Gilbert holds the rookie scoring record for Oiler defensemen. I also wonder if anyone can pass Samwise this season, or even approach the Arnott number or (steady now) touch true greatness and the wonder that was Kurri.

Fun stuff ahead.

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#1 Di-Hard Oil Fan
September 02 2010, 09:18PM
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Pilgor09 wrote:

Patrick O'Sullivan was the best player in pre-season last year, he was our worst player in the regular season. But you have to prove yourself in pre-season, so it really does matter. You just have to keep it going through the regular season and not be relaxed and thinking your spot is safe.

There's a new oilers website i found and it looks to be underconstruction, but it looks like it will be a solid site. www.oiloverhaul.com

If you are going to plug a new website, at least admit it is yours. Your user name here at ON is the same as the creator of the website you are plugging. And I just don't think Pilgor is a popular name, unless you grew up beside Kristian Pels or Martin Marincin.

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#2 Archaeologuy
September 02 2010, 08:47PM
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*Patiently awaits madjam's nonsensical post regarding the big 3*

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#3 Jerk Store
September 03 2010, 10:29AM
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76 from Hall, Eberle and MPS would be fantastic. Unlikely, but fantastic. I, of course, mean combined.

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#4 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 03 2010, 07:27AM
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Pilgor09 wrote:

Patrick O'Sullivan was the best player in pre-season last year, he was our worst player in the regular season. But you have to prove yourself in pre-season, so it really does matter. You just have to keep it going through the regular season and not be relaxed and thinking your spot is safe.

There's a new oilers website i found and it looks to be underconstruction, but it looks like it will be a solid site. www.oiloverhaul.com

about as solid as the morning after a night of draft beer and hot wings....

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#5 RossCreekNation
September 03 2010, 01:26PM
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Why do people still think Comrie's a center... the Pens signed him as a winger... last season, Comrie said his preference was to be on the wing. I don't think he has the skating to play center anymore. Good signing by the Pens... Comrie will look good alongside Crosby.

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#6 99thoilfan
September 02 2010, 08:27PM
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Lowtide,

As always, well thought out and well written.

Regards

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#7 HOF
September 02 2010, 08:57PM
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Very nice article. I hope a lot of fans curtail their expectations and be realistic this year. I will be very happy if Hall can hit 50 points in his rookie year. He'll have a lot of time to grow and develop.

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#8 Pilgor09
September 02 2010, 09:10PM
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Patrick O'Sullivan was the best player in pre-season last year, he was our worst player in the regular season. But you have to prove yourself in pre-season, so it really does matter. You just have to keep it going through the regular season and not be relaxed and thinking your spot is safe.

There's a new oilers website i found and it looks to be underconstruction, but it looks like it will be a solid site. www.oiloverhaul.com

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#9 @NateInVegas
September 02 2010, 09:39PM
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Due to the salary cap, preseason numbers mean SFA...

@ Lowetide,

still going to Penticton??????

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#10 HardBoiledOil
September 02 2010, 09:41PM
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if Omark wins a job at pre-season, then he should play simple as that! i'm hoping he does! Mac or Zach or JFJ or Ryan Jones...players like that can sit for all i care if he's in the lineup. i'm actually hoping Teemu Hartikainen makes the club too!

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#12 velo
September 02 2010, 10:19PM
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Never mind the Kurri season, those 30 goals by Anderson in a shorter season stand out to me!

I think Samwise will move down the chart a peg or two. But, I'm pretty confident the rest are safe. Maybe Anderson's point total could go down, but 30 goals is 30 goals.

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#13 shadi
September 02 2010, 10:19PM
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No, remember Branden Bochensky Senators 05 pre-season and whats the Russians name from last years Canucks.

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#14 Dan the Man
September 02 2010, 10:37PM
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Did Lumley play with Gretzky that year?

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#15 Arby
September 02 2010, 10:41PM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

if Omark wins a job at pre-season, then he should play simple as that! i'm hoping he does! Mac or Zach or JFJ or Ryan Jones...players like that can sit for all i care if he's in the lineup. i'm actually hoping Teemu Hartikainen makes the club too!

I'm in complete agreement.... except for the Zach part. He may look like he's 30 (thousand) years old, but I think he may still develop into a unique third line talent.

( There really isn't a whole eff of a lot that seperates a Zach and a Raffi in this league) ( just that with a Raffi on the 3w you MAKE the playoffs) (but I'm just negating my first brackets with the second at this point) (brackets are cool)

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#16 wax for my stick
September 02 2010, 10:43PM
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Pilgor09 wrote:

Patrick O'Sullivan was the best player in pre-season last year, he was our worst player in the regular season. But you have to prove yourself in pre-season, so it really does matter. You just have to keep it going through the regular season and not be relaxed and thinking your spot is safe.

There's a new oilers website i found and it looks to be underconstruction, but it looks like it will be a solid site. www.oiloverhaul.com

i just checked out that website and its not that good, just seems like a "re-hash" of what other people have been writing about not to mention the bogus rumour about Penner being traded for Kings D man Jack Johnson, that just doesnt make any sense on the kings behalf not to mention it sounds like its a made up story...but i'll give the website the benifit of the doubt seeing how this "solid" looking site just started...

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#17 book¡e
September 02 2010, 11:02PM
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Bold Pre-season Prediction - Hemsky will have a astonishingly weak pre-season and look indifferent. Loads of internet people will get totally stressed about this. He will start to care again when regular season begins and stress levels will lower.

aka 'the same thing that happens every year'

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#18 Trace Ayala
September 03 2010, 12:14AM
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Tom Gilbert gets no respect....

... from Robin Brownlee

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#19 pelhem grenville
September 03 2010, 06:26AM
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Great pic of the Great One...gawd did Cam Cole play goal for the IndyRacers when Gretz was there? Is that not him on the bench in the background?anyway Dan the Man: I'm not certain if Lumer played with 99 much that year 79-80 maybe some but I think it was the next year he (Lumley) scored 14 CONSECUTIVE goals in games playing mostly with you-know-who. That was the year Slats said, if memory serves, that a fire hydrant could score a bunch playing with Gretzky.

"touch true greatness and the wonder that was Kurri" great line LT

nice piece thanks

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#20 Skidplate
September 03 2010, 06:36AM
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Love the Johnny Dangerously reference. "Fargin Bastages"

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#21 madjam
September 03 2010, 07:34AM
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Can't wait till "the dynamic baby bull " T. Hall starts leaving his mark on the NHL ! The youngster reminds me so much of J. Iginla . The kid simply loves the physical game - it brings out the best in him , and it's one of his major strengths ! There are very few kids that have that type of character that also love that challenge to compliment their skilled level of play . He'll excel over the years the more physical it gets . So much of the Iginla in this kid - watch for it, as it's a integral part of his overall skill and game . You can already tells he just loves it .

I'd really like to see him exposed and play center right off the bat . He's dynamic and the physical game is going to suit him and his style and character to a tee . He works best in closed areas , it's just part of his mindset and skillset . Won't take Hall long to start leaving his mark . Could readily be our top center in short order .

Other than fisticuffs , i believe he will press the Iginla , Crosby, and maybe Ovechkin mold to top of league in scoring . Definite top ten contender . We got us a dandy Oiler fans to build around ! Very few have the pedigree this kid has, and almost all pan out to be superstars . We definiteltly took the right choice here , and no doubt in my mind that Seguin does not have the character and inside feistyness to ever be as good as Hall will be down the line . Halls got it in spades .

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#22 cambosmash
September 03 2010, 08:21AM
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I heard this clip in Calgary a few summers ago on the Mike Richards show.

"When 2 hockey players find magical rings made of crap found in Burlington Bay... By touching the two rings together, these 2 not very good players who probably won't make the team took the form of great players from the past."

http://www.therealmikerichards.com/index.php?category=parody-bits&clip=Preseason_Saviours.mp3

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#23 Librarian Mike
September 03 2010, 08:25AM
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Skidplate wrote:

Love the Johnny Dangerously reference. "Fargin Bastages"

haha. Dave Lumley scored 20 goals once....once!

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#24 Archaeologuy
September 03 2010, 08:47AM
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@madjam

He isnt a Centre. He wasnt best suited to be a Centre in the OHL, he sure as hell wont be suited for it as a rookie in the NHL.

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#25 Velo
September 03 2010, 08:48AM
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Too much dope Madjam, too much dope. You need a cup of coffee at the wait and see cafe.

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#26 Librarian Mike
September 03 2010, 08:57AM
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Velo wrote:

Too much dope Madjam, too much dope. You need a cup of coffee at the wait and see cafe.

Agreed. Let's make sure he can play at the pro level before we start draping him in the '99' banner from the rafters.

Also, don't forget that it took Iginla about 9 years before he finally broke through with a superstar year. Hemsky probably never will. The worst thing we can do is put that kind of pressure on him (especially considering how badly this team sucks right now).

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#27 Ender
September 03 2010, 09:08AM
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@cambosmash

That 90 second clip was about 60 seconds too long, but the Wonder Twins reference was funny.

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#28 Archaeologuy
September 03 2010, 09:15AM
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@Librarian Mike

Before we put Hemsky's future to bed let's take a look at how long it took Sedin to break out. 9 seasons, and thats playing with his twin brother and a steady rotation of wingers trying to find the right chemistry.

I would suggest that Hemsky has a lot more in common with Sedin's career path, minus 2 linemates.

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#29 Librarian Mike
September 03 2010, 09:23AM
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@Archaeologuy

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Hemsky dominate. I guess my point was that there's no guarantee about players at this level just because they're talented.

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#30 PabstBR55
September 03 2010, 09:26AM
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Comrie signs with the Pens. Their 4 Centres are Crosby, Malkin, Stall, and Comrie. Unreal.

Given that Malkin is one of the worst faceoff men in the history of the NHL, maybe this is the year the 'Guins switch him to the wing.

I can't believe the Oil almost beat them last year. Another trajic loss for Doobie, same as a game the same week against Dallas - he played his pads off those games.

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#31 Archaeologuy
September 03 2010, 09:27AM
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@Librarian Mike

Totally agree on the no guarantee aspect of the players. I would also hope that Hall has more than the 4 years of "elite" production that Iginla has had in his entire career. I'm tempering my expectations for the rookie year, but in terms of career potenial I do hope he pans out as a #1 pick overall.

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#32 PabstBR55
September 03 2010, 09:29AM
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@ Indiana Jones

I agree. Hemsky was on a point-a-game pace last year. I think '07-'08 was the first year the Sedins became 80+ point players.

I thought the projections for Gagner and Hemsky in yesterday's Top 7 were low. We might actually have a legitimate top line this year.

Thank god our checking line, penalty kill, and goaltending are going to be awful. Otherwise we might've actually had a team capable of making the playoffs.

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#33 Ryan14
September 03 2010, 09:34AM
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HOF wrote:

Very nice article. I hope a lot of fans curtail their expectations and be realistic this year. I will be very happy if Hall can hit 50 points in his rookie year. He'll have a lot of time to grow and develop.

Haven't you heard? According to fans from the centre of the universe (where opinion is in fact...fact), if you are a first overall pick, and you don't put up numbers similar to Crosby or Ovechkin, you are a bust. It's simple science.

If he doesen't have a 30-30 season we should trade him while his value is high :P

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#34 Dyckster
September 03 2010, 09:36AM
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PabstBR55 wrote:

Comrie signs with the Pens. Their 4 Centres are Crosby, Malkin, Stall, and Comrie. Unreal.

Given that Malkin is one of the worst faceoff men in the history of the NHL, maybe this is the year the 'Guins switch him to the wing.

I can't believe the Oil almost beat them last year. Another trajic loss for Doobie, same as a game the same week against Dallas - he played his pads off those games.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=332520

1 year $500,000, pretty sweet deal for Pitt if you ask me.

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#35 Archaeologuy
September 03 2010, 09:41AM
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@PabstBR55

Pitt's bottom 2 centremen can play anywhere in the lineup. If Crosby needs a winger Comrie can do that just as easily as he can outmatch the opposition in the bottom 6. That is a great pickup for them.

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#36 Ender
September 03 2010, 09:43AM
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Dyckster wrote:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=332520

1 year $500,000, pretty sweet deal for Pitt if you ask me.

It is a good deal for Pitt. I didn't necessarily think we needed him back, but I'd have been more than fine bringing him back for that money. That's a value contract.

In fact, it's so value, I'm curious how long Mrs. Duff-Man shows patience for her guy earning pocket change before she convinces him to move to Hollywood to make some real money. For her, $500K probably represents social expenses for the month, not a yearly income.

Maybe that's why it's a one year with Pitt, eh?

Hillary: "Honey, hurry up and win your cup-thingy this year so you can get rid of that awful-smelling clothing and spend more time with me!"

[adorable pout]

Mike: "Uh, yeah, ok Babe."

[licks lips, pulls out cell phone]

Mike: "Hey, Ritchie? Change of plans. Get Pitt on the horn; I think I've got a deal for them . . ."

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#37 Dyckster
September 03 2010, 09:55AM
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Ender wrote:

It is a good deal for Pitt. I didn't necessarily think we needed him back, but I'd have been more than fine bringing him back for that money. That's a value contract.

In fact, it's so value, I'm curious how long Mrs. Duff-Man shows patience for her guy earning pocket change before she convinces him to move to Hollywood to make some real money. For her, $500K probably represents social expenses for the month, not a yearly income.

Maybe that's why it's a one year with Pitt, eh?

Hillary: "Honey, hurry up and win your cup-thingy this year so you can get rid of that awful-smelling clothing and spend more time with me!"

[adorable pout]

Mike: "Uh, yeah, ok Babe."

[licks lips, pulls out cell phone]

Mike: "Hey, Ritchie? Change of plans. Get Pitt on the horn; I think I've got a deal for them . . ."

100% agree, in the grand scheme of things we didn't really need him, but for 1/2 a mill....why not?

Having said that, it may be a good indication of what we can pick up another remaining FA for. One that actually fills a need for us.

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#38 Jerk Store
September 03 2010, 09:58AM
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I honestly wish MC all the best in Penguin-ville. There was a lot of acramony during his first exit from here, but to their credit, both sides buried the hatchet and had he been healthy, I think Comrie would have had a very good year here last year and was definitely a solid citizen. First met him as a kid with the SA Saints and he was a really classy young guy who was great with kids including my son, whenever they had post game meet and greets. I understand why the Oil did not bring him back with all the young'ens, but I still wish they could have found a way. Anyway, nice to see Mike finally get an opportunity for the upcoming year. Let's see . . . Richer than God (not counting his hockey earnings), married to a famous hottie, pro athlete, and (according to my wife) "he is cute as a bug" - 'bout time the kid caught a break.

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#39 master of my domain
September 03 2010, 10:05AM
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shadi wrote:

No, remember Branden Bochensky Senators 05 pre-season and whats the Russians name from last years Canucks.

in a pool I was in for that season you had to take a rookie, and I thought that I was really being really sly when I took Bochensky

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#40 madjam
September 03 2010, 10:06AM
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Records made to be broken . What Oiler might give Selanne's rookie season a run ? What records might our youngsters press ? Challenges bring out the best in them . I like our chances with our youth of setting and breaking the record machine . Lets get the season going as we shed our old security blankets of negativism . Onward and upward , so as we don't have to keep suffering with our hopes , spirits and heads buried below the ice surface any longer ! Go away negative spirits and taunt us no more .

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#41 Big D
September 03 2010, 10:07AM
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Smytty?

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#42 Dyckster
September 03 2010, 10:14AM
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madjam wrote:

Records made to be broken . What Oiler might give Selanne's rookie season a run ? What records might our youngsters press ? Challenges bring out the best in them . I like our chances with our youth of setting and breaking the record machine . Lets get the season going as we shed our old security blankets of negativism . Onward and upward , so as we don't have to keep suffering with our hopes , spirits and heads buried below the ice surface any longer ! Go away negative spirits and taunt us no more .

*FACEPALM*

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#43 Dan the Man
September 03 2010, 10:21AM
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madjam wrote:

Records made to be broken . What Oiler might give Selanne's rookie season a run ? What records might our youngsters press ? Challenges bring out the best in them . I like our chances with our youth of setting and breaking the record machine . Lets get the season going as we shed our old security blankets of negativism . Onward and upward , so as we don't have to keep suffering with our hopes , spirits and heads buried below the ice surface any longer ! Go away negative spirits and taunt us no more .

So you think an Oiler rookie might score more than 76 goals?

You realize that the 76 goal barrier has only been broken 4 times in history right? (Gretz, Gretz, Lemieux, Hull)

It must feel good to be that drunk at 10 am.

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#44 Chris.
September 03 2010, 10:30AM
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I hope Hall (for his sake) develops at a nice and steady pace.

Jason Arnott was drafted by this organization 7th overall. He went straight from the OHL to the NHL and scored 33 goals his first season. When he came back down to reality a bit the following couple years the whole city was on with the, "What's wrong with Arnott?" kick... untill he was run out of town.

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#45 andrewmk20
September 03 2010, 10:31AM
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@madjam

there's optimism, then there's people suffering from early onset Alzheimer's.

so sad...

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#46 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 03 2010, 10:50AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

So you think an Oiler rookie might score more than 76 goals?

You realize that the 76 goal barrier has only been broken 4 times in history right? (Gretz, Gretz, Lemieux, Hull)

It must feel good to be that drunk at 10 am.

I'd like to give him the benifit of the doubt and assume he's just jerking everyones respective chains. Sadly though, given his posting history I think we need to assume he's being serious.

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#47 Mike Krushelnyski
September 03 2010, 10:52AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

So you think an Oiler rookie might score more than 76 goals?

You realize that the 76 goal barrier has only been broken 4 times in history right? (Gretz, Gretz, Lemieux, Hull)

It must feel good to be that drunk at 10 am.

Vande Velde bags 77 in his sleep.

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#48 Dyckster
September 03 2010, 11:02AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

So you think an Oiler rookie might score more than 76 goals?

You realize that the 76 goal barrier has only been broken 4 times in history right? (Gretz, Gretz, Lemieux, Hull)

It must feel good to be that drunk at 10 am.

Seriously though, I would like see Hall, Eberle, and MP (no 'S' anymore) score in the range of 76 between the three of them. That to me would be a successful debut for the wonder trio.

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#49 offside
September 03 2010, 11:34AM
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Dan the Man wrote:

So you think an Oiler rookie might score more than 76 goals?

You realize that the 76 goal barrier has only been broken 4 times in history right? (Gretz, Gretz, Lemieux, Hull)

It must feel good to be that drunk at 10 am.

~Keep in mind that Selanne played 84 games his rookie year, not 82, so if we pro-rate it reasonable expectations for Hall should be 74ish~

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#50 RaWbbie
September 03 2010, 11:50AM
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MPS=Calder winner

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