JOEY MOSS CUP

Jason Gregor
September 21 2010 08:30PM

The Commissioner, Joey Moss, got the 6000 fans fired up with an energized rendition of O Canada and we finally got to see some scrimmaging in Oiler camp.

The teams were as follows:

TEAM WHITE

Magnus Paajarvi/Andrew Cogliano/Alex Giroux
Dustin Penner/Sam Gagner/Jordan Eberle
Ryan Jones/Tyler Pitlick/Linus Omark
Zack Stortini/Ryan O'Marra/Greg Stewart

Ryan Whitney/Jeff Petry
Jim Vandermeer/Richard Petiot
Taylor Chorney/Alex Plante

Martin Gerber
Olivier Roy

TEAM BLUE

Taylor Hall/Shawn Horcoff/Ales Hemsky
Gilbert Brule/Colin Fraser/Colin McDonald
Ben Ondrus/Chris Vande Velde/Teemu Hartikainen
Liam Reddox/Brad Moran/Cameron Abney 

Tom Gilbert/Johan Motin
Kurtis Foster/Ladislav Smid
Shawn Belle/Theo Peckham
 

Devan Dubnyk
Jeff Deslauriers

There weren't many chances in the first period. Colin McDonald had the best chance when he ripped a slapper off the short-side post past Gerber, but other than that neither goalie had to make a quality save.

NOTES FROM THE FIRST PERIOD.

  • Linus Omark isn't afraid to try things. He tried to deflect the puck over his head, but Dubnyk scooped it out of mid air. Later Omark got too fancy in his own zone, trying to dance around a forechecker. He'll need to realize quickly that won't fly in the NHL.
     
  • Ales Hemsky takes a rare penalty, but team white does nothing on the PP.
     
  • Lowetide's post regarding Ryan O'Marra starts a debate in the pressbox. Ryan Rishaug politely disagrees. We both agree that O'Marra's conditioning looks questionable.
     
  • A hit. McDonald runs into Richard Petiot, and gets his stick up a bit.
     
  • You can tell this is the first real scrimmage for the players, as they are very sloppy.

NOTES FROM SECOND

  • Liam Reddox with a great burst of speed down the right side, cuts to the middle, goes around Jeff Petry but fans on the shot. Next shift out Reddox controls the puck down low. Next shift he backchecks and breaks up the rush. Reddox gives you his best effort every shift. He can kill penalties, and he will work his ass off. I think he'll push Ryan Jones for a spot on the team.
     
  • Martin Gerber leaves after facing 12 shots. Devan Dubnyk faced only 6 in his 23 minutes.
     
  • Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I find it interesting that Dubnyk got the start for team blue, while Deslauriers came off the bench. I think the backup job is Dubnyk's to lose.
     
  • Deslauriers faces five shots in his first five minutes.
     
  • O'Marra takes a penalty with 30 seconds left in the period. Team blue starts the PP with Brule, Fraser, and McDonald. Blue starts the 3rd with a :30 PP. Horcoff's line with Foster and Smid start.

NOTES FROM THE THIRD

  •  Foster finally gives the crowd something to cheer about as he one-times a bullet from the point. Hemsky with a nice saucer pass, and Hall get the assists. O'Marra's penalty expired one second earlier, so no PP goal, but Foster's shot looks almost as hard as Sheldon Souray's. I think Foster gets it away quicker than Souray.
     
  • Paajarvi with a great cross-ice pass to Cogliano and he rips it off the cross bar. Those two have had some chemistry from the beginning of camp and I bet Renney will try them in a few exhibition games.
     
  • Foster takes a one-minute roughing penalty on Omark. Earlier in the shift Omark made a sick cross-ice-saucer pass from the right hashmarks to a pinching Petiot.
     
  • Horcoff knocks the bouncing puck faway from Gagner, races in shorthanded and slides a backhand home and team blue leads 2-0. Tom Gilbert must have yelled out, "number 77" to the ref, because he somehow gets an assist on the play.
     
  • Team Blue lighting up Roy in the 3rd, as a great three-way passing play from Hemsky-to-Horcoff-to-Hall, and the first overall pick slides it past a stretched out Roy.
     
  • On this next shift Hall takes a Horcoff pass in full flight down the left side, does a quick little toe drag in front of Whitney and snaps one off Roy's shoulder. Hall has looked more comfortable with every shift. Just like the rookie tournament, and first day of camp he looked nervous at the start, which is understandable considering he is 18, and progressively got better.
     
  •  Final score 3-0. Final shots 23-18 in favour of team blue. Deslaurier stops all 12 shots, while Roy allowed three goals on 11 shots. He didn't allow a soft goal, and really didn't have much of a chance on any of the them.

LINEUP FOR TOMORROW???

The players who will play in Vancouver tomorrow will skate at nine at Rexall Place. Hall will not play in Vancouver, which shouldn't surprise anyone. No way were the Oilers going to let him play his first game v. an NHL team on the road especially when Thursday's game is live on TSN.

I do know that Horcoff will centre Eberle and Giroux tomorrow. Dubnyk and Gerber will be the goalies. We will find out the rest of the lineup tomorrow morning.

Nikolai Khabibulin is close to playing. Right now it seems more mental than physical for him. Renney will see how Khabibulin feels Thursday morning before making a decision on when he plays. He might wait a few more days before putting him in between the pipes.

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#1 David S
September 22 2010, 07:22AM
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DN wrote:

Saw the game ... Can't say that I like sitting that low.

I thought Gagne was ineffective and Horcoff/Hall was excellent.

I wonder if Hemsky should play with Penner & Gagne ...

We need at least two good lines.

I agree that Reddox played well.

It seemed to me that Whitney was too often in the offensive zone.

Gagner.

G.A.G.N.E.R.

GAGNER!!!!!!!

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#2 necrobot
September 21 2010, 09:09PM
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@velo

He played great. Created his own chances, worked his ass off on the boards, went toe to toe against guys bigger than him and come out with the puck. He may have had a giveaway or two, but it seemed like he wasn't getting much help from his line mates.

Now, if the fantastic hockey mind of Bob "Foster" and the rest of media would put the same critical standards to the invisible Eberle, I'd like that more.

Part of me thinks Omark is going to be robbed of a spot.

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#3 SirFozz
September 21 2010, 08:59PM
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Triple H line has two words for you, "suck it... team white".*

*Triple H line not good at math.

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#4 Ender
September 21 2010, 09:40PM
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Was nice to see the win for Blue; for some reason my predictonometer has come under fire recently.

Also nice to see Reddox looking like he still has something to prove. While I harbour no illusions about Rudy's talent, I still think he makes the team as a whole better by his presence and I wouldn't mind seeing him finally catch a break. If ever there were anyone to earn an NHL paycheck on determination and sweat alone, he'd be the guy that did it.

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#5 Costanza
September 21 2010, 11:15PM
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This team is going to have to move some forwards. I am really hoping Horcoff has a comeback year, just for the sake of not hearing about him.

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#6 Chris.
September 21 2010, 08:32PM
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Fist to blow an Oiler prediction.

(I called Team White by two)

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#7 Quicksilver ballet
September 21 2010, 08:39PM
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Pretty choppy for four days into camp, i guess that's to be expected with this being their first real scrimmage. Tempo will be considerably higher tommorow and thursday, there will be a few dozen eggs broken in the corners tommorow i'm sure

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#8 Chris.
September 21 2010, 08:41PM
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Yay Triple H Line! Screw you Heatley!

*mixing more Kool-Aid*

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#9 Milli
September 21 2010, 08:46PM
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Ya, I thouth it was choppy too. Thought Brule looked real good. Hall, hemsky and horc got better every shift. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few days of preseason games and how some lines might start to click.

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#10 BArmstrong
September 21 2010, 08:46PM
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@Jason Gregor

The ice looked brutal. Any mention of it by the players?

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#11 bigrroberto
September 21 2010, 08:48PM
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Really liked how the triple H line came together. I really think they could do some damage once they start to gel, hopefully that happens sooner than later.

The Penner, Gagner, Eberle line looke a little invisible.

Overall pretty entertaining for an inter-squad game.

Sure has me a little excited to get the real season going. =)

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#12 Victoria
September 21 2010, 08:52PM
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Horcoff is looking pretty darn good out there with Hall.

And Foster with that boomer... Sheldon who?

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#13 velo
September 21 2010, 08:59PM
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This Omark lad seems to be good. I would like to watch him in the real deal.

Let him entertain me.

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#15 RossCreekNation
September 21 2010, 09:13PM
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Tom Gilbert must have yelled out, "number 77" to the ref, because he somehow gets an assist on the play.

Pure GOATish! ;-)

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#16 BArmstrong
September 21 2010, 09:22PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:
Tom Gilbert must have yelled out, "number 77" to the ref, because he somehow gets an assist on the play.

Pure GOATish! ;-)

touché

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#17 OilFan
September 21 2010, 09:27PM
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Was my post deleted ? Looking forward to the season.

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#18 17
September 21 2010, 09:32PM
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How about that, Cogs gets someone who can keep up with him and they look good thus far...here's hoping it continues.

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#19 Jason
September 21 2010, 09:40PM
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After watching the game the players that really stood out to me were....

Hall and Hemsky looked great together. Hall's feet are always moving and to me they are the perfect fit for each other. Horcoff had wheels but still trys to do to much. I think a monkey could center those two and be fine.

Omark definitly stood out. He wasnt afraid to go to touch areas and does dare i say Schremp like things with the puck. Question is will he be able to do that when he is actually getting hit in real game situations.

Foster has a boomer! And he definitly gets it off fast.

Gotta admit....Reddox brings energy every shift and work make a great 4th liner.

Stortini....feel two times! haha.

Magnus and Cogs looked good too. Its only a matter of time till Magnus becomes a star!!

Joey belted out the national anthem and sounded excellent once again! ;)

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#20 Cleetis
September 21 2010, 10:11PM
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@RossCreekNation

Hey Dude I seen you tweeted the flames game was on Shaw 301 and 320. Did you watch, and was it PPV? I see the guide has the Oiler game tomorrow night on the same channels, but says it's PPV, what gives will I have to pay? Did you pay to watch?

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#21 Observer
September 21 2010, 10:12PM
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Is it just me, or did it seem as though Hemsky and Hall were laughing during Moss' rendition of Oh' Canada? It almost seemed as though they were a couple of kids trying not to laugh in class (but it made them laugh even more).

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#22 Mojo
September 21 2010, 10:32PM
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It the practice at Rexall tomorrow open to the public?

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#23 a lg dubl dubl
September 21 2010, 10:50PM
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I think tomorrows game is on sportsnet1 if you have it

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#24 VK63
September 21 2010, 10:54PM
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@Observer

craig simpson had to stifle the giggles on the bench every game. The joemeister is one zealous Oh Canada belting sob.

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#25 Wanyes bastard child
September 21 2010, 11:09PM
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@ Jason

"Lowetide's post regarding Ryan O'Marra starts a debate in the pressbox. Ryan Rishaug politely disagrees. We both agree that O'Marra's conditioning looks questionable."

Does this mean guys like Rishaug read ON or was it just something you mentioned in passing?

Either way cool and props to LT!

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#26 Jamie B.
September 21 2010, 11:27PM
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Maybe it's just because I was in like row 7 instead of the nosebleeds where I usually sit, but this team looks faster, at least.

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#27 OilersRob
September 22 2010, 12:35AM
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Great to see Hall get one.

Positives: Horcoff! Hall Omark Foster

Negatives: Eberle

Just a Joey Moss cup game though, so nothing to read into.

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#28 evilstu
September 22 2010, 01:03AM
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I have to say, that although I understand the point of the game, and I think it is a great gesture, I really didn't enjoy watching it at all. I know they havent scrimmaged much, and the reasons are plentiful as to why.....but that was just some brutal, choppy, unorganized, unentertaining hockey.

Perhaps even the format played into it as well.

I wasn't expecting much, which is a good thing otherwise I would be dissappointed.

Good for the Bears, and the group where Joey Lives, but man that hockey stunk.

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#29 evilstu
September 22 2010, 01:05AM
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Oh ya, and as a Telus Optik subscriber I'm pooched for any games on that new sportsnet channel aren't I?

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#30 NewfieMikey
September 22 2010, 01:12AM
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Observer wrote:

Is it just me, or did it seem as though Hemsky and Hall were laughing during Moss' rendition of Oh' Canada? It almost seemed as though they were a couple of kids trying not to laugh in class (but it made them laugh even more).

I noticed that too, Hemsky actually had to lean forward so people couldn't see his face and Hall was smiling from ear to ear. Good stuff...hopefully they're gelling and will light the hell out of the lamp together all year.

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#31 Jamie B.
September 22 2010, 01:56AM
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craig simpson had to stifle the giggles on the bench every game. The joemeister is one zealous Oh Canada belting sob.

I remember during the lockout at Road Runner games when the crowds were smaller/less rowdy, I could occasionally hear Joey singing from my seat in the colonnade level. Now that's patriotism.

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#32 #EM
September 22 2010, 02:52AM
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy Oilers hockey is back

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#33 Hemmertime
September 22 2010, 03:08AM
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Is it just me or was Bob Stauffer borderline offensive when speaking with open disgust about "stats geeks" (his words, uttered with contempt) when he was talking about Omark.

I mean, its obvious that past performance has no baring on future performance. The only good indications of a player are gut feelings, thats the best way to go. I mean, all those moronic stats geeks were touting Penner to be a good player. Such ridiculous ideas.

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#34 RossCreekNation
September 22 2010, 06:29AM
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Cleetis wrote:

Hey Dude I seen you tweeted the flames game was on Shaw 301 and 320. Did you watch, and was it PPV? I see the guide has the Oiler game tomorrow night on the same channels, but says it's PPV, what gives will I have to pay? Did you pay to watch?

For SHAW users, Sportsnet One is ch. 159, however, since the games are still only on regionally, they have a "companion" channel. So from what I understand, Flames/Oilers games will be on ch. 320. There was NO FEE last night (or for the Oil game tonight) as its on a free preview, but I presume we will have to add the channel to our packages shortly.

Here's a link for all providers (scroll down on right side):

Where to find Sportsnet One... http://www.sportsnet.ca/one/

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#35 RossCreekNation
September 22 2010, 06:30AM
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evilstu wrote:

Oh ya, and as a Telus Optik subscriber I'm pooched for any games on that new sportsnet channel aren't I?

For the time being, apparently.

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#36 DN
September 22 2010, 06:43AM
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Saw the game ... Can't say that I like sitting that low.

I thought Gagne was ineffective and Horcoff/Hall was excellent.

I wonder if Hemsky should play with Penner & Gagne ...

We need at least two good lines.

I agree that Reddox played well.

It seemed to me that Whitney was too often in the offensive zone.

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#37 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
September 22 2010, 06:47AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

For the time being, apparently.

i dont think so tim.

i watched preseason hockey last night on the old optik color television system..

stupid flames

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#38 jayoilfan
September 22 2010, 07:02AM
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evilstu

you are in luck! Telus TV has it on Channels 106 (sd) and 677 (hd) There is a FAQ on their website about it. For now it is a 'free trial'. I was watching some Jay's baseball stuff last night on it. Telus says it is going to package it with one of their sports groupings but they didn't say which one, I sincerely hope they don't put it witht he 'top up' sports group as I don't have that one. I just have the regular sport group.

Finally some almost real hockey!! I saw the streaming feed on the Oilers website for the flames vs oilers rookies which was interesting but now we get to see what the team might look like.

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#39 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
September 22 2010, 07:54AM
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Well 10 bucks to get in and still close to a hundred buck night. Oh well, a good chunk was for charity.

As for the game I really found it hard to get a read on certain guys. Not sure if it was because I didn't know the numbers or what.

I was really trying to take a look and see how guys were skating, but a guy like Giroux who has been talked about with his skating abilities didn't seem to have any problems creating chances. It seemed that when something was happening for team white that #12 seemed to have the puck.

Horcoff looked amazing and the whole HHH line seemed to work well together. It was funny to see Hemsky being the vocal one at times and telling Hall where to be. Hall reminds me off Hemsky from past years. Has no idea where to be without the puck in the defensive zone.

Motin looked brutal last night. Seemed to get tripped up and made poor defensive decisions. Even Belle if he didn't have his speed I don't know what he'd do. If he can learn where to play in his own zone he would be a far more effective d-man.

Finally Omark, I'd almost like him to make Eberle over the team if he keeps it up. The fire in this guy with and without the puck was pretty amazing. From what I seen Omark was far more agressive and went for the puck and while Eberle has some amazing offensive skills if he doesn't improve his play without the puck I'm not sure it's worth it to throw him in the lineup.

Again it was only a scrimmage, but I expected the younger guys that haven't played in the NHL before to have played hard last night.

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#40 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
September 22 2010, 07:55AM
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Oh ya Reddox had some nice snap to his game, but he also has a snap shot like Todd Marchant.

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#41 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 22 2010, 08:26AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Well 10 bucks to get in and still close to a hundred buck night. Oh well, a good chunk was for charity.

As for the game I really found it hard to get a read on certain guys. Not sure if it was because I didn't know the numbers or what.

I was really trying to take a look and see how guys were skating, but a guy like Giroux who has been talked about with his skating abilities didn't seem to have any problems creating chances. It seemed that when something was happening for team white that #12 seemed to have the puck.

Horcoff looked amazing and the whole HHH line seemed to work well together. It was funny to see Hemsky being the vocal one at times and telling Hall where to be. Hall reminds me off Hemsky from past years. Has no idea where to be without the puck in the defensive zone.

Motin looked brutal last night. Seemed to get tripped up and made poor defensive decisions. Even Belle if he didn't have his speed I don't know what he'd do. If he can learn where to play in his own zone he would be a far more effective d-man.

Finally Omark, I'd almost like him to make Eberle over the team if he keeps it up. The fire in this guy with and without the puck was pretty amazing. From what I seen Omark was far more agressive and went for the puck and while Eberle has some amazing offensive skills if he doesn't improve his play without the puck I'm not sure it's worth it to throw him in the lineup.

Again it was only a scrimmage, but I expected the younger guys that haven't played in the NHL before to have played hard last night.

Nice to hear about Hemsky. It'd be pretty sweat if he took it apon himself to take more of a leadership role.

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#42 MattL
September 22 2010, 08:29AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Is it just me or was Bob Stauffer borderline offensive when speaking with open disgust about "stats geeks" (his words, uttered with contempt) when he was talking about Omark.

I mean, its obvious that past performance has no baring on future performance. The only good indications of a player are gut feelings, thats the best way to go. I mean, all those moronic stats geeks were touting Penner to be a good player. Such ridiculous ideas.

Yeah, he's clearly and openly jealous of guys like Willis who come up with fascinating insights into the game using more obscure stats, and less personal experience.

It's weird, because he loves the idea of Moneyball, he used to work as a stats guy, and he's got a head full of useless stats about hundreds and hudreds of hockey players.

He's also jealous of guys like Rishaug, because it's easier to get a TV job when you look like Rishaug, not Stauffer.

At this point, I find it hard to understand why he talks down about anyone anymore, I mean he paid his dues and he's doing colour in the NHL, does life get any better?

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#43 MattL
September 22 2010, 08:32AM
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Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

Oh ya Reddox had some nice snap to his game, but he also has a snap shot like Todd Marchant.

Marchant buried the snap shot that mattered, now LEAVE TODDY ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE!!! HE GIVES IT HIS ALL EVERY NIGHT ON THE ICE!! LEAVE BRITNEY ALO.... uhh....

Ballsy?

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#44 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
September 22 2010, 08:38AM
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Maybe Gregor can answer this, but are the Oilers as a whole that much more vocal this year? Or was it because there was only 6000 fans so it was easier to here? I kinda have to lean towards them being more vocal as last year with a sold out barn you could usually hear a pin drop.

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#45 Zamboni Driver
September 22 2010, 08:59AM
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Does anyone have Hall's Corsi number last night?

I haven't been able to sleep.

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#46 Ender
September 22 2010, 09:13AM
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@Zamboni Driver

I'm really hoping you forgot to pack on a set of these: ~~~~

While I have no issues listening to Willis's explanation of why the third-pairing defenseman from the Sabres is better than the second-pairing defenseman from chez Oil based on 25 defensive-zone clearing attempts in three comparable games with the same opponent . . .

. . . I'm thinking that looking for advanced stats analysis from the Joey Moss Cup is akin to seeing the flames of passion dancing in the eyes of your supermarket cashier as she bags your groceries.

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#47 jr_christ
September 22 2010, 09:27AM
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I know this is the wrong thread, but after watching last night I am changing my goat and star vote (can you do that???)

Star: Hemsky

Goat: Penner

I HAVE to say Penner because I watched parts of the game on-line and he is SLOW as hell. There is NO way he'll be on the first line with he TERRIBLE hand-eye, lack of deking skills AND questionable atheletic abilities.

30+ goals last year, right? That was last year when he played significant amount of time on the first line powerplay... no WAY he'll see that much PP again this year with all the youthful guns the Oil have now.

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#48 Victoria
September 22 2010, 09:34AM
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Bah. Penner doesn't need to be fast. He just needs to park that big caboose infront of the opposing goalies face.

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#49 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
September 22 2010, 09:52AM
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jr_christ wrote:

I know this is the wrong thread, but after watching last night I am changing my goat and star vote (can you do that???)

Star: Hemsky

Goat: Penner

I HAVE to say Penner because I watched parts of the game on-line and he is SLOW as hell. There is NO way he'll be on the first line with he TERRIBLE hand-eye, lack of deking skills AND questionable atheletic abilities.

30+ goals last year, right? That was last year when he played significant amount of time on the first line powerplay... no WAY he'll see that much PP again this year with all the youthful guns the Oil have now.

Interesting. I think he proved last year that he has ELITE level hand-eye and deking skills (in tight anyways) and the only real question marks could be conditioning and desire.

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#50 Bookie
September 22 2010, 10:05AM
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David S wrote:

Gagner.

G.A.G.N.E.R.

GAGNER!!!!!!!

I would like to recommend that those of you who can't spell player names use the nick names, such as Gags.

Really - I am worried about David's health.

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