Double D

Lowetide
September 22 2010 07:00PM

Tonight Devan Dubnyk (probably--he's listed as one of the two G's for tonight, one imagines he'll get some time in goal) gets the first opportunity of pre-season to show Edmonton's management and coaching staff that he is the better man to back up Super Bowl Sunday this winter. IS he the better man? COULD the Oilers go with 3 G's (again)? 

The Oilers do not have a clear cut #1 goalie of the future in the organization. If we can agree that Nikolai Khabibulin is clearly the #1 option when healthy, then the big decision this fall has to do with which young G to keep and which one to send away.

DEVAN'S UP ARROWS

  • In his final 10 games Dubnyk's SP was .912 overall.
  • He is 2 years younger than JDD.
  • The Falcons were a struggling AHL team with a puncher's chance every night DD dressed; the bottom fell out when he was called to the show.
  • From all accounts DD is a better technical goalie than his competition. He's no Doug Favell--and that's a good thing.
  • There's a new head coach in town. Last year's depth chart is not written in stone.
  • His contract ($800,000 times 2) is reasonable, and his competition is 9 months from free agency.

DEVAN'S DOWN ARROWS

  • His boxcars last season were poor, the worst of the rookie goaltenders who played 1,000 or more minutes in 09-10.
  • His overall EV SP (.902) was less than JDD's (.905).
  • JDD has a full year in the NHL. If NK is injured, Deslauriers knows the ropes and can step in to the starter's role.
  • Last year, when the organization had to choose a starter, they went with Deslauriers.

There were 6 rookie goalies who played over 1,000 minutes in the NHL 09-10. They were: Rask (Bos) .931; Howard (Det) .924; Varlamov (Was) .909; Gustafsson (Tor) .902; Deslauriers (Edm) .901 and Dubnyk (Edm) .889. JDD played in front of a poor team but you'd be hard pressed to include him among the league's top rookies at the position. Deslauriers had some outstanding games (3 SO's tied him with Howard for 2nd among first year G's) but there were some poor moments.

Khabibulin's EV SP (.924) was good last year; the kids trailed by a mile. Tonight's lineups suggest a real test for Oilers goalies. It might be just what the doctor ordered for Devan Dubnyk. A tough test well handled will have a major impact on what is shaping up as a pretty even race.

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#1 Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child
September 22 2010, 07:01PM
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Superbowl Sunday is sticking! Best nicknames ever!

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#2 Spydyr
September 23 2010, 01:18PM
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Action Jackson wrote:

Let's be honest jdd or dd does not matter. Neither is a permanent solution. Hopefully tambo can come up with the answer via free agency or trade when the time is right ie 3 or 4 years.

Hopefully that kid . You know the one that is the front-runner to be the starting goalie at this years world juniors. Yah that one, that Roy kid. Should he not be just about ready in 3-4 years. Just saying

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#3 Steve
September 23 2010, 01:24PM
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@rindog

Over the last five seasons, Shawn Horcoff has averaged 0.713 points per game, while consistently playing the toughest opposition of Oilers' centres. If we take last year (when he was apparently playing hurt for much of the season) out of the equation, that number shoots up to 0.777.

Worth $5.5 million per year? Probably not. The best proven offensive centre the Oilers have? Without question. Calling him "a slower version of Todd Marchant" is - and here I am commenting on the argument, not on the person making it, whom I don't know from Adam - rank idiocy.

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#4 Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child
September 22 2010, 07:01PM
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Yay im first! Good article again LT. I think the big Dubie has to be the guy to back up SBS, he is just way more calm and collective in the net and doesn't always throw himself out of position while trying to make an amazing acrobatic save, like the flying Frenchman. Seriously JDD has given may too may goals where he could of just stood up and the puck would of hit him.

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#5 D
September 22 2010, 07:11PM
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It will be quite a disappointment if Deslauriers is in goal for the Oilers for any signficant stretch this season.

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#6 Adam D
September 22 2010, 07:30PM
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I'll be honest, the main point I got from this was the new nickname.

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#7 book¡e
September 22 2010, 07:52PM
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Coach said no to three goalie situation. Its either two or four!

Ok, he said he could not envision starting the year with three goalies because it would serve no purpose to do so.

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#9 knee deep in it
September 22 2010, 08:00PM
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i am a little slow so i need a little help with clever nicknames. What does Super Bowl Sunday have to do with Khabi?

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#10 Hemmertime
September 22 2010, 08:20PM
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@knee deep in it

Im a hourly reader and have no idea

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#12 Kaiser Wilhelm
September 22 2010, 08:28PM
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I'm listening to the game right now; I don't think Jack Michaels is going to do too badly. He'll never be Rod Phillips, but I'd say he's a pretty good substitute.

Oh, and back on topic; I think Dubie is a better option than JDD strictly on the basis of his technical stability. I suspect Roy will end up being the goalie of the future though.

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#13 sizedoesmatter
September 22 2010, 08:52PM
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I know its only pre season but I,m liking the new system

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#14 Ryan14
September 22 2010, 08:54PM
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Is it possible that Oilers management/coaching staff will consider sending DD down this year? he has 2 years, so if he gets sent down, he is still under contract. If JDD is a huge disappointment this year, then they cut ties with him (or tell him to spend more time in the A), and use DD as back up next year? (That is, if JDD outplays DD this pre-season)

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#16 Ryan14
September 22 2010, 09:04PM
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LT: Isn't there a date that you can send him down before waivers kick in?

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#18 RossCreekNation
September 22 2010, 09:13PM
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Missed the 1st. Good Tofield boy Ondrus with the goal, eh. We're all good Tofield boys ;-)

It's nice living in no-man's land... Tofield phone number & address growing up, while living in Lamont County & going to Lamont school, while playing hockey in Vegreville and Ardrossan/Strathcona... yup, no hometown, import everywhere... that's life in Ross Creek.

I think I'm the only guy on here to even ask (Gregor) about Ondrus. You go Ben!

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#19 Ryan14
September 22 2010, 09:18PM
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So what you are saying is don't listen to EA Sports when it comes to waiver rules? Good to know. disregard my scenario. Hopefully DD is ready to take the next step.

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#20 Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child
September 22 2010, 09:21PM
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I really like Gerber tonight..was very composed, too bad he won't get too much more playing time in the preseason....or will he?? Duh Duh Duh

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#21 T.C.
September 22 2010, 09:44PM
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Is the game actuallly on tv somewhere?I can't find it.also is that the new play by play guy on the radio because he is doing awesome!

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#22 book¡e
September 22 2010, 10:01PM
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Lowetide wrote:

No, he's been in the pro's too long. He must clear waivers, or at least that is my understanding.

Wait - according to the CBA and the following info, Dubnyk should be exempt from waivers.

He signed his first NHL contract in 2009. He was 23 at the time, so would have 3 years or 60 games of waiver free status.

UNLESS (and this is probably the case) I am wrong about the date of his first NHL contract (from Capgeek) or unless they count the games he sat on the bench as a backup (but those don't show up in his GP stats - and would he have 60 total even then?)

Its all in the CBA

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

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#24 Ender
September 22 2010, 10:39PM
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Gregor hinted a few days ago that he believed the back-up's job was Dubnyk's to lose. Well, after tonight I think he's well on his way to doing just that. Weak performance by Double D; looked lost several times. It didn't help the optics that Gerber was pitching a shutout against the same team. I have to think the shoe is on the other foot now and that as long as JDD doesn't crap the bed, he's in a good position to grab himself the NHL gig.

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#25 Milli
September 22 2010, 10:42PM
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Anyone think Gerber makes this interesting? He looked pretty solid again tonight, and, I know that we are thinking future. The only reason I ask is I heard a quote about renney thinking about competing, not tanking. So, if Renney wants the kids to learn and grow, do you not play your best options at goal? And if that is Gerber and Khabby, do you go with that, or run with the kids (DD or JDD)

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#26 Milli
September 22 2010, 10:44PM
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Ender wrote:

Gregor hinted a few days ago that he believed the back-up's job was Dubnyk's to lose. Well, after tonight I think he's well on his way to doing just that. Weak performance by Double D; looked lost several times. It didn't help the optics that Gerber was pitching a shutout against the same team. I have to think the shoe is on the other foot now and that as long as JDD doesn't crap the bed, he's in a good position to grab himself the NHL gig.

Ender, I agree, but what do you think happens if both struggle? Does Gerber become realistic or am I crazy?

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#27 Archaeologuy
September 22 2010, 10:50PM
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@Ender

I couldnt believe he only played half the game, didnt face a shot for most of the 2nd period, and STILL let in his obligatory bad goal.

I dont know why anyone thinks we're losing this guy on waivers. It aint happening.

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#29 a lg dubl dubl
September 22 2010, 10:54PM
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I thought DD played pretty good all in all except for that WEAK a$$ 2nd goal

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#30 Ender
September 22 2010, 11:00PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I thought DD played pretty good all in all except for that WEAK a$$ 2nd goal

Naw. Just about gave up the equalizer with another bad play behind his net and under 2 minutes to go. The coaches have got to be scratching their chins considering giving this guy the nod to start games on Khabiboozin's off-nights.

@ Milli

While it's intriguing to imagine Gerber getting the nod over both Dubnyk and JDD, I think it's pretty unlikely. Gerber is the only one of the three with a 2-way contract, and that's a huge factor. Even with Dubie's poor showing tonight (I agree with Arch that he might well clear waivers at this point) I think that he'd have to be worse yet and JDD even more awful before the Oil coaching would be able to convince Tambi that such a desperate move was necessary. Marty will be starting in OKC, but the good news is that the farm should do very well this year and his presence there certainly won't hurt that.

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#31 DN
September 22 2010, 11:07PM
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Thanks to Meg's blog on Team 1260 found the game on Shaw.

Preseason games on sportsnet one are 301 in HD & 320 in SD

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#32 RossCreekNation
September 22 2010, 11:10PM
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DN wrote:

Thanks to Meg's blog on Team 1260 found the game on Shaw.

Preseason games on sportsnet one are 301 in HD & 320 in SD

Its only been posted about 768 times in the comments over the last few blogs. I know this because I posted about 486 of them... including a link to Meg's blog... yet peeps keep asking.

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#33 book¡e
September 22 2010, 11:14PM
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Ender wrote:

Naw. Just about gave up the equalizer with another bad play behind his net and under 2 minutes to go. The coaches have got to be scratching their chins considering giving this guy the nod to start games on Khabiboozin's off-nights.

@ Milli

While it's intriguing to imagine Gerber getting the nod over both Dubnyk and JDD, I think it's pretty unlikely. Gerber is the only one of the three with a 2-way contract, and that's a huge factor. Even with Dubie's poor showing tonight (I agree with Arch that he might well clear waivers at this point) I think that he'd have to be worse yet and JDD even more awful before the Oil coaching would be able to convince Tambi that such a desperate move was necessary. Marty will be starting in OKC, but the good news is that the farm should do very well this year and his presence there certainly won't hurt that.

Two way contract DOES NOT MATTER for waiver exemption. Gerber is exempted from waivers because he did not play in the league last year.

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#34 Hockeyjedi
September 22 2010, 11:15PM
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For those of you in Dubnyk's corner, I hope tonight was a reminder of his dumbf#%*ery. Pathetic second goal and was caught out of position several times. He's very lucky the Canucks didn't tie it up late when he went for a leisurely skate again. I know JDD can be very fallible at times too, but I'd rather take my chances with a guy who I know can battle through it most times. Now hopefully he doesn't make me eat my words tomorrow night vs. TB.

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#35 Milli
September 22 2010, 11:25PM
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Really, I think there is next to no risk someone is going to pick up JDD or DD on waivers. Niether has shown a huge upside, there are alot of goalies at reasonable prices. I could be wrong, and thats why I'm not tambo, but I doubt it.

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#36 Ender
September 22 2010, 11:31PM
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@book¡e

I'm not suggesting waivers has anything to do with it, though as you point out the Oilers risk nothing by sending Marty down. I'm saying that they can pay Gerber $200K to tend the twine in OKC or they can pay DD $800K or JDD $1M to do the same thing. And if they keep Gerber up, they are not only forced to pay the inflated farm goalie price but they still have to pick which of the other two goalies they're going to cut loose. Keeping the expensive option in the bigs and sending Marty safely down at an affordable price looks far more attractive.

I can't imagine how bad JDD would have to do in pre-season to give Gerber a real shot. (OK, actually I can but I've for the most part repressed those memories and I'd rather not bring them back.)

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#37 Action Jackson
September 22 2010, 11:35PM
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Let's be honest jdd or dd does not matter. Neither is a permanent solution. Hopefully tambo can come up with the answer via free agency or trade when the time is right ie 3 or 4 years.

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#38 evilstu
September 22 2010, 11:36PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Missed the 1st. Good Tofield boy Ondrus with the goal, eh. We're all good Tofield boys ;-)

It's nice living in no-man's land... Tofield phone number & address growing up, while living in Lamont County & going to Lamont school, while playing hockey in Vegreville and Ardrossan/Strathcona... yup, no hometown, import everywhere... that's life in Ross Creek.

I think I'm the only guy on here to even ask (Gregor) about Ondrus. You go Ben!

Glad I read that entire post....Tofield hey. Played a lot of minor hockey against the towns you listed, among other sports, although the competition was kinda weak.......HA HA HA.

County of Beaver...what a great name.

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#39 Milli
September 22 2010, 11:41PM
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Action Jackson wrote:

Let's be honest jdd or dd does not matter. Neither is a permanent solution. Hopefully tambo can come up with the answer via free agency or trade when the time is right ie 3 or 4 years.

Totally agree that this is becoming more and more clear.

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#40 book¡e
September 23 2010, 12:14AM
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@Ender

Yep - the two way thing is mentioned so much - that is why I raised it.

I think they keep DD or JDD up because they still think one of them might be an NHL goalie. If they wanted to win though, I think that Gerber/Khabi might be the way to go and I doubt that the extra $600,000 would matter if it meant a few more wins (I am not convinced they care a lot about wins this year though - mostly development).

Anyway - I hope all four play brilliantly.

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#41 Sandra
September 23 2010, 12:20AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Dubnyk sure didn't help himself on the second goal. First one was a Sedin type on a belt high BP fastball, so I don't think DD was the culprit.

Either way, opportunity missed.

I agree, lets see how Desjarlais can do against Stamkos. The reason I think Dubnyk was given a 2 year deal no one will take him as a backup this year. He'll spend the season in OKC. Gerber still might be the first recall with Desjarlais backing up. Smart move by Tambi.

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#42 Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child
September 23 2010, 12:23AM
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@Sandra

Desjarlais? I dont mean to be rude but I think you mean Deslauriers. I know weird name. Just call him JD its easier...or the flying frenchman

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#43 DaveManson
September 23 2010, 12:25AM
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Just got back from the game... always impressed by the amount of Oil fans in Vancouver. Some random observations tonight: Horcoff was a powerhouse. He out worked & out fought almost every opponent in the corners. He looked like the Horc of years gone by.

Eberle looks poised and confident out there. He set up a beauty that didn't get converted, and whiffed on an open net himself. I'd chalk that up to 1st NHL game jitters. He's a smooth hockey player who could use 15lbs on him.

Ryan Whitney looked out of sync tonight. I think he ended up with the 3rd star - but I saw him fighting the puck, turning over the puck, and lugging the puck up ice when an open winger had 40' on him with room to go. He eventually skated right into the poor guy and took him out. Overall a fun game. Missed a ton of the play as they had the Canucks bottled in their end for a lot of time. Is this the sign of Renney's system? If so, I'll drink the kool aid!

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#44 Stewsquared
September 23 2010, 12:35AM
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Slept in my new Taylor Hall #4 jersey shirt last night. Dreamt of him again. You know the one where he flies in on a unicorn with wings and goes top-cheese on Kiprusoff in the shootout for the win. Ahhhhhhhhh...........

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#45 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
September 23 2010, 03:08AM
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Action Jackson wrote:

Let's be honest jdd or dd does not matter. Neither is a permanent solution. Hopefully tambo can come up with the answer via free agency or trade when the time is right ie 3 or 4 years.

I was kinda thinking this myself when I seen Jack Campbell still available at the draft outside the top 10. Dallas got him at 11. There were rumblings that this guy was the best goalie to be drafted since Carey Price. I honestly wonder what it would have taken to get a pick in the 8-11 region. I'm sure the price would have been steep (Cogs + 2nd and 3rd rounder or something) but I believe it would have been worth it.

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#46 fuck off
September 23 2010, 04:54AM
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Stewsquared wrote:

Slept in my new Taylor Hall #4 jersey shirt last night. Dreamt of him again. You know the one where he flies in on a unicorn with wings and goes top-cheese on Kiprusoff in the shootout for the win. Ahhhhhhhhh...........

Repressed homosexuality...?

I slow motioned the long view of the Schaefer goal to see that while he was skating through the neutral zone DD was a mile out of his net yapping at the refs or doing some other bone headed thing. Dubes only got back to his crease and set in his position just before Schaefer let it rip. Clearly DD was not focused at all tonight after coming in half way and maybe that was just it but I'm still a JDD fan (over DD).

Looking at all three goalie contracts the Oil signed this summer it's easy to tell what they were planning in advance: Darth Gerber's ticket is designed for him to rock the OKC bus. DD's was a simple signing and JDD got paid more than DD as to keep teams from poaching him while they ship him down to the A. It is DD's job to loose but if he plays bad enough Renney can put the three names in a hat and ask his children to draw the winner.

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#47 a lg dubl dubl
September 23 2010, 05:39AM
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Stewsquared wrote:

Slept in my new Taylor Hall #4 jersey shirt last night. Dreamt of him again. You know the one where he flies in on a unicorn with wings and goes top-cheese on Kiprusoff in the shootout for the win. Ahhhhhhhhh...........

You forgot about the rainbow and lolly pops lol

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#48 russ99
September 23 2010, 07:13AM
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Still a fan of DD, but he didn't help his case last night. The guy better get it together quickly.

I'd rather have a more talented but flighty goalie over the steady guy who gets lit up every night.

Gerber looked great and he might force Tambi's hand.

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#49 The Towel Boy
September 23 2010, 07:39AM
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Mike from Canmore's illegitimate love child wrote:

Desjarlais? I dont mean to be rude but I think you mean Deslauriers. I know weird name. Just call him JD its easier...or the flying frenchman

Mike, I see you've met Sandra.

Get used to Desjarlais.

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#50 Hemmercules
September 23 2010, 08:04AM
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Missed the game. Sounds like DD let in a bad goal (in a pre-season game with our B squad playing) and everyone is already running him out of town? He better play lights out for his remaining time or JDD could be our guy, that is until JDD lets in a bad one and the tables turn.

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