Trade Deadline Primer #1

Lowetide
January 15 2011 08:12AM

The NHL trade deadline is February 28th at 1PM Edmonton time. Last year there were over 30 trades on Deadline Day and another 20 or so leading up to it. Why talk about it this soon? Two reasons: the Oilers should be very involved and the Oilers did quite well at the last deadline. Can Steve Tambellini do it again?

Logic suggests that 50 trades in a 30 team league means that an average team would be involved in 3.3 trades each deadline period (if 50 trades is the norm). The Oilers did some big business at the last deadline:

  1. March 1: D Denis Grebeshkov to Nashville for their 2nd rd pick. Stu MacGregor turned that into Curtis Hamilton.
  2. March 2: D Cody Wild to Boston for F Matt Marquardt.
  3. March 3: D Lubo Visnovsky to Anaheim for D Ryan Whitney and a 6th rd pick in 2010. MBS turned that selection into Brandon Davidson.
  4. March 3: D Steve Staios to Calgary for D Aaron Johnson and 2011 3rd rd pick.

There are a couple of items here: first, the Oilers traded defensemen in all 4 transactions. That's a theme for every trade deadline, a day when grizzled veterans enjoy their peak value. When a team trades for a 33-year old defenseman it's like taking out insurance on injury. Better to give up your 2nd or 3rd rd pick in the summer than endure the pain of the 2005-06 Buffalo Sabres (brief description here).

I've discussed the Oilers possible trade assets for 2011 here and here. Among the current Oiler blue, I'd suggest that Jim Vandermeer, Ladislav Smid and Kurtis Foster are possible trade items that fit the trade deadline "need for blue" so many playoff bound teams will be looking for at the end of February.

The Oilers have trade partners that they do a lot of business with and that may factor into the deadline:

  1. Carolina: Oilers acquired and then dealt Erik Cole to the Hurricanes in the recent past.
  2. Los Angeles Kings: The Lubo-Stoll/Greene deal and the Cole-Williams-O'Sullivan trade.
  3. Philadelphia Flyers: Pitkanen trade and the Potulny deal since 2007 summer.

Edmonton has also done business with the Islanders, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Nashville, Boston, Anaheim, Calgary, Chicago and Phoenix. I can't imagine another Flames-Oilers trade but those other teams should be considered as we look toward the deadline.

Edmonton (and other non-playoff teams) are going to enjoy an active market based on how many teams are still in the playoff hunt. 10 eastern conference teams are in go mode and as many as 14 western teams are probably thinking about adding men. More on the deadline in the days to come.

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#1 Ted Sheckler
January 15 2011, 01:16PM
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The majority of the people proposing deals on here need to step away from their love of the oilers and come back to reality. The value that people are putting on anybody outside of the top 4 or 5 players is laughable. Players fighting for a spot on the 4th 3rd or even the 2nd on a team in the draft lottery race is of little or no value to anyone else unless they're looking to add to a special area ie faceoffs, penalty killing, etc. And I don't see any of that anywhere on this roster.

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#2 etownman
January 15 2011, 09:34AM
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Way to premature on the talk of trading Penner or Hemsky. These guys look great with Hall in the middle & have the potential to be an impact #1 line in this league. They're both young yet so I think talk of trading one or both of them is a little premature. The Oilers can still package a good deal to get another 1st rounder if that's what they want but I would be careful at this point because I think the long term core of this team is still evolving!

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#3 toprightcorner
January 15 2011, 09:41AM
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book¡e wrote:

I think a Penner/Hemsky trade rests on the likelihood that the player will resign here. Difficult for us as fans to know the situation regarding that.

I agree. If Hemmer and Penner will sign 3+ year contracts, then I say keep them both. A young, rebuilding team need some veteran scoring to take the pressure off the young'ns. Thats why the NYI/FLA never get better becasue they keep trading away veteran scoring and their draft picks, as bad as they have been, are not given a year or two of sheltered growth. Not including Hemmer and Penner, their scorers would all be 21 or younger (not including Horcs as a scorer). Too young, too much pressure.

If one of those two are not interested in sticking with the Tambo plan, then I like the Pens as a trade partner. They need a scoring winger more than any other team in the league and they have an abundance of good d-man. No way they let go of Letang or Goligoski, but I like Orpik. He's the big, tough and nasty shut-down D-man that the Oil desperatly need. He is a top 4 on any team accept maybe PHI, VAN and PIT. Get at least a second rounder as well and we would be doing Pit a favour releiving them of 3.75 M in salary for someone who is currnelty number 5 in there Defensive core. Pit may be so desperate to get a scoring winger that Tambo could potentially get a 1st rounder instead (considering PIT's 1st rounder is basically an early 2nd rounder anyway). Maybe throw in Vandermeer for Defensive insurance or Brule/Cogs.

Penner and Vandermeer for Orpik and a 1st rounder would be great for both teams. Or Hemsky and Brule for Orpik, Asham and 1st rounder. (Asham makes the salary balance out and gives us more size and grit for the 3rd line)

That trade would go a long way in helping the Oil.

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#5 Jerk Store
January 15 2011, 10:08AM
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LT.

I agree I would keep both. Even with the Khabby contract around our necks we still should have cap space to sign Penner and Hemsky at end of next year, no? By then we have the Big Sexy's deal off the books - no later than the end of next year. We don't have to worry about the kids first contract for 2 more years. I don't think khabby ties our hands as much as Horcoff's (I say that reluctantly as I don't want to start the inevitable floggings) - but EVERY team has one or two they whiffed on. Other than costing Mr Katz a bunch of sheckles for what was clearly a bad signing at what point do you see Khabby's deal causing Tambellini problems in terms of signing players in the future?

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#6 magisterrex
January 15 2011, 11:34AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

LT - I think you are dreaming if you think Hemsky will sign another value contract. He has been kicking himself for the last 3 years watching millions fly out the window, especially with Horoff's deal. Those numbers could come back to bite Lowe in the butt (again) as Hemmer will want to be in that range if not a touch higher. The deal will be fair, but it won't be a value for the Oil by any means. I say 5.75 - 6 million cap hit at minimum, fair but not a value contract by any means.

It is rare for a guy to sign two value contracts in a row, especially when it is the best player on the team.

It also doesn't help that he plays an average of 58 games over the last 4 years and has already missed 13 games this year.

Just sayin!

Hemsky comes over for dinner at your place and talks about his future, does he? Not everyone is motivated by having a Kovy-sized contract.

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#7 Quicksilver ballet
January 15 2011, 11:52AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Well for one thing, picks outsid fo the top two have a disgustingly low rate of producing elite NHL'ers, so if we are trading with teams that are currently sitting at the 3rd/4th/5th overall pick and we add to their team moving us to 5th/6th/7th overall pick... well we are more then likely to be drawing a guy that you will want to run out of town in 2-3 years anyways.

Now top that off with the fact that teams rarely trade lotto picks...

Mostly though I thought it was funny that you of all people were going with the "no sense talking about this trade" angle, seeing as you've posted the above trade idea 458,593 times over the last 6 weeks.

All the more reason to make that push for a top two pick don't you think? The Oilers finished dead last and had less than a 50/50 chance of retaining that pick, holding 2 of the 5 picks means we have as good a shot at it as anyone. I know i've been pushing these two deals at nauseum, but i feel we have 3 assets that may allow for one of these scenarios to occur. Even though we don't agree on Gagner, you must admit that Hemsky and Gagner to the Islanders is pretty sweet eh? I just like our chances with ending up with the best player if this were to happen, and having the best player will allow us to outscore the opposition more often don't you think?

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#8 Jamie B.
January 15 2011, 11:54AM
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How awesome is it that Calgary waited to give us their 3rd round pick this year? It should be noticeably higher. Muwahahahaha. (That's my evil laugh.)

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#9 a lg dubl dubl
January 15 2011, 02:20PM
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Trading gagner would b a mistake right now

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#10 Pajamah
January 16 2011, 07:50AM
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EDM wrote:

The Edmonton Oilers Should Move Ladi Smid. The Ottawa Senators Would FOR SURE Be Interested. He Hasnt Done Much When You Look At It. He Cant Score. Doesnt Put Numbers Up. He's Not That Tough. Always Being Hurt Does Not Help Either. Get Something For Him Before Its Too Late!

I Dont Think The Edmonton Oilers Could Move Jim Vandermeer. But Again... They Traded Steve Staios To Calgary LOL So Anything Could Happen. He Would Be Worth Dumping For Sure.

The Oilers Have To Move Tom Gilbert. He Just Isnt Right Going Forward. Get Something For Him In A Package Of Draft Picks And Prospects... And Then Hopefully Draft Larsson To Take His Spot Next Year. Gilberts Contract Would Be Hard To Move Come Feb 28th, But A Summer Deal May Be In The Works.

The Edmonton Oilers Could Also Move Minor League Goalie Martin Gerber To A Deal Who Needs Better Goalie Depth. Wouldnt Be A Bad Idea. Or Even Deslaurier.

Ales Hemsky Should Remain An Oiler. Unless LA Gives Up Schenn And Something. Then Do It.

Dustin Penner, Although Slow. Is Worth Keeping Around For Leadership And Scoring Depth. Do Not Move.

Andrew Cogliano & Gilbert Brule Can Both Go. Brule For A 2nd Or Third Rounder. (Remember, The Oilers Only Got Him For Raffi Torres). And A 2nd Rounder And Prospect For Cogliano Would Work. Although TSN Said Florida Offered The 15th (i believe) Pick In 2010 For Cogliano. When The Oilers Prospect They Wanted Was Not There.. They Backed Away. So Value Must Be Still There. How About Nic Fogliano/Someone, For Cogliano/Smid. Would Be Worth It Forsure.

WAIVERS JF Jacques Has To Go. Even Tree Huggie Bear: Zach Stortini Can Go!

why, in all that is holy, did you spend the time it takes to capitalize every single word you wrote?

not that what you say has no merit, its just harder to take you seriously, when you're one step up...

FrOm TyPiNg LiKe This

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#11 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
January 16 2011, 06:34PM
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EDM wrote:

The Edmonton Oilers Should Move Ladi Smid. The Ottawa Senators Would FOR SURE Be Interested. He Hasnt Done Much When You Look At It. He Cant Score. Doesnt Put Numbers Up. He's Not That Tough. Always Being Hurt Does Not Help Either. Get Something For Him Before Its Too Late!

I Dont Think The Edmonton Oilers Could Move Jim Vandermeer. But Again... They Traded Steve Staios To Calgary LOL So Anything Could Happen. He Would Be Worth Dumping For Sure.

The Oilers Have To Move Tom Gilbert. He Just Isnt Right Going Forward. Get Something For Him In A Package Of Draft Picks And Prospects... And Then Hopefully Draft Larsson To Take His Spot Next Year. Gilberts Contract Would Be Hard To Move Come Feb 28th, But A Summer Deal May Be In The Works.

The Edmonton Oilers Could Also Move Minor League Goalie Martin Gerber To A Deal Who Needs Better Goalie Depth. Wouldnt Be A Bad Idea. Or Even Deslaurier.

Ales Hemsky Should Remain An Oiler. Unless LA Gives Up Schenn And Something. Then Do It.

Dustin Penner, Although Slow. Is Worth Keeping Around For Leadership And Scoring Depth. Do Not Move.

Andrew Cogliano & Gilbert Brule Can Both Go. Brule For A 2nd Or Third Rounder. (Remember, The Oilers Only Got Him For Raffi Torres). And A 2nd Rounder And Prospect For Cogliano Would Work. Although TSN Said Florida Offered The 15th (i believe) Pick In 2010 For Cogliano. When The Oilers Prospect They Wanted Was Not There.. They Backed Away. So Value Must Be Still There. How About Nic Fogliano/Someone, For Cogliano/Smid. Would Be Worth It Forsure.

WAIVERS JF Jacques Has To Go. Even Tree Huggie Bear: Zach Stortini Can Go!

Other than the fact that you CAPITALIZED EVERY FRERAKING WORD, some of what you say make sense, and some screams WTF???? Fogliano??? You mean Foglino and somebody?? Who? and for Cogs and Smidder?? Pass me the stuff you're smoking bud. Nobody is going to take the crap you mentioned. Mike Milbury is no longer a GM in the League.

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#12 Stone Hands McOsta
January 15 2011, 08:23AM
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The Oilers historically are big movers at the deadline. I think we see one of Penner or Hemmer leave this spring. Nothing but a FIST round pick + prospect would do it for me.

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#13 Shane
January 15 2011, 08:24AM
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I wonder if there would be a market for Khabby or Deslauriers or Gerber. We have extra goalies we could maybe swap for a pick or throw in on a package deal. Does the Gs in OKC have to go through re-entry?

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#15 SumOil
January 15 2011, 08:41AM
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LT I am sure its a minor oversight, but the Lubo Whitney deal was with Ana.

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#16 book¡e
January 15 2011, 08:52AM
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I think a Penner/Hemsky trade rests on the likelihood that the player will resign here. Difficult for us as fans to know the situation regarding that.

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#17 Aitch
January 15 2011, 08:59AM
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We can only hope Vandemeer is healthy enough to trade at the deadline.

In a perfect world, we'd be the ones packaging up prospects to get vets for the long haul. But we're not good enough yet to load up. If Tambo can pull off another Whitney-esque deal, I'll be one happy camper.

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#19 John Chambers
January 15 2011, 09:28AM
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It amazes me how the "speculated" trades never work out, and the trades that do occur generally surprise everyone.

Case in point, nobody saw the Whitney deal happening, and despite months of Kovalchuk speculation he ended up in New Jersey, one of the most unlikeliest of destinations.

For all we know we see us trade Shawn Horcoff to the Leafs for Mikael Grabovski and a pair of socks.

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#20 SumOil
January 15 2011, 09:36AM
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:)

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#21 SumOil
January 15 2011, 09:37AM
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Can we add calgary to the list to :P

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#22 Jerk Store
January 15 2011, 09:39AM
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L T, One game does not a season make, but IF Hall Hemsky Penner gel into a true number one line over the next month, (especially if it allows you to develop Hall as a center), how likely is it either winger is traded? If so, what would be fair market value given they both have 1.5 years left on comparatively great contracts?

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#23 Cutterov
January 15 2011, 09:41AM
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Lowetide your lubo whitney trade is posted incorrect. The deal sent Lubo to Anaheim for Whitney and a 6th of which the 6th rd pick turned into Brandon Davidson.

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#24 Jerk Store
January 15 2011, 09:43AM
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Sorry etownman, sent my post before reading yours. Not meaning to ride on your coat tails.

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#26 toprightcorner
January 15 2011, 10:05AM
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Here is an interesting possibility:

Foster, Omark and Cogliano for Parise. NJ gets a 1st and 2nd rounder if we sign him.

Why I think this makes sense? NJ cannot afford Parise (7 mill) with the Kovi monstrosity. Cant see him wanting to stay since they basically told him Kovy was the guy they wanted to build around by maying him so much and with the extar salary spent to keep Parise would handcuff them to get any better. As an RFA, I beleive (someone will correct me if I am wrong) NJ would get 2 firsts, 2nd and a 3rd if they loose him to an offer sheet of that value. With Edm, their 1st and 2nd hold the same value as two 1st rounders in the high teens. They also get a first rounder quality in Omark and an offensive PP QB that they desperatly need. They also seen Foster a lot with Tampa last year so probably have positive thoughts about him. If we don't sign him, we only really lose Omark as Cogs wouldn't be back next year and you would not get much for him anyway, and Foster does not seem to fit with the Oil right now.

I also beleive Parise can play centre as well and is a shooter for Hemmer. This lets you trade Penner fora very high pick or a shutdown d-man that we desperatly need.

How about a top 6 like this with an average age of under 22 yrs old!!:

Hall - Parise - Hemsky Paajarvi - Gagner - Eberle

If not, maybe Zajac can be dealt for.

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#27 Quicksilver ballet
January 15 2011, 10:13AM
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It's a good thing we have 5 weeks before the deadline. If Taylor Hall is comfortable and productive playing center this will change a number of things. Maybe we're better to move Gags and Paajarvi, if it involved a lottery pick rather than Hemmer or Penner and whatever other spare parts teams want. Alot depends as well if Ales and Dustin are both open to being extended here as well.

It's unfortunate to see the other side of that Paajarvi sword already, unlike Taylor and Jordan who're progressing in a game played by men, Paajarvi can't say that, he's been playing with men for 2 1/2 years now and he seems to have plateaued. Hope i'm wrong but that's just my 2 cents.

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#28 toprightcorner
January 15 2011, 10:18AM
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LT - I think you are dreaming if you think Hemsky will sign another value contract. He has been kicking himself for the last 3 years watching millions fly out the window, especially with Horoff's deal. Those numbers could come back to bite Lowe in the butt (again) as Hemmer will want to be in that range if not a touch higher. The deal will be fair, but it won't be a value for the Oil by any means. I say 5.75 - 6 million cap hit at minimum, fair but not a value contract by any means.

It is rare for a guy to sign two value contracts in a row, especially when it is the best player on the team.

It also doesn't help that he plays an average of 58 games over the last 4 years and has already missed 13 games this year.

Just sayin!

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#29 Lofty
January 15 2011, 10:22AM
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etownman wrote:

Way to premature on the talk of trading Penner or Hemsky. These guys look great with Hall in the middle & have the potential to be an impact #1 line in this league. They're both young yet so I think talk of trading one or both of them is a little premature. The Oilers can still package a good deal to get another 1st rounder if that's what they want but I would be careful at this point because I think the long term core of this team is still evolving!

From what I'v seen of Hemsky playing with Hall, it looks like Hemmer is having more fun than he ever has as an Oiler. Don't know how long it will last or what that does for the future but from my eye it looks like a symbiotic relationship.

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#30 Quicksilver ballet
January 15 2011, 10:26AM
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I think we can stop tawkin bout moving Khabibulin any time now, him and Horcoff are both chastity belted into place here till they can be bought out. With Nabokov and Kiprusoff probably available next month i don't like Habby's chances of seeing playoff pucks.

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#31 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2011, 10:41AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Here is an interesting possibility:

Foster, Omark and Cogliano for Parise. NJ gets a 1st and 2nd rounder if we sign him.

Why I think this makes sense? NJ cannot afford Parise (7 mill) with the Kovi monstrosity. Cant see him wanting to stay since they basically told him Kovy was the guy they wanted to build around by maying him so much and with the extar salary spent to keep Parise would handcuff them to get any better. As an RFA, I beleive (someone will correct me if I am wrong) NJ would get 2 firsts, 2nd and a 3rd if they loose him to an offer sheet of that value. With Edm, their 1st and 2nd hold the same value as two 1st rounders in the high teens. They also get a first rounder quality in Omark and an offensive PP QB that they desperatly need. They also seen Foster a lot with Tampa last year so probably have positive thoughts about him. If we don't sign him, we only really lose Omark as Cogs wouldn't be back next year and you would not get much for him anyway, and Foster does not seem to fit with the Oil right now.

I also beleive Parise can play centre as well and is a shooter for Hemmer. This lets you trade Penner fora very high pick or a shutdown d-man that we desperatly need.

How about a top 6 like this with an average age of under 22 yrs old!!:

Hall - Parise - Hemsky Paajarvi - Gagner - Eberle

If not, maybe Zajac can be dealt for.

If that were to happen it may go down as more lop-sided then the Thorton trade.

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#32 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2011, 10:43AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I think we can stop tawkin bout moving Khabibulin any time now, him and Horcoff are both chastity belted into place here till they can be bought out. With Nabokov and Kiprusoff probably available next month i don't like Habby's chances of seeing playoff pucks.

Agreed, that and the suggestion of trading for another lottery pick are both unresonable and beat to death.

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#33 Quicksilver ballet
January 15 2011, 11:09AM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

OB1, you come across as someone who has a wealth of experience with this rebuilding process, are you from the Toronto area sir? What's wrong with the Penner and Gilbert to Boston for that To/Bos pick, or the Hemsky and Gagner to the islanders for their lottery pick?

Horcoff has been out for 6+ weeks now giving Sam that golden opportunity to earn that second line center position. Between getting pushed off the puck so easily, or the play dieing on his stick, even you must have a difficult time giving him a passing grade the last 6 weeks. I wouldn't hold out hope that Dustin or Ales would both want to remain part of the rebuild, i feel we're better off to push for one of those scenarios and make up their mind for them.

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#34 a lg dubl dubl
January 15 2011, 11:19AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

It's a good thing we have 5 weeks before the deadline. If Taylor Hall is comfortable and productive playing center this will change a number of things. Maybe we're better to move Gags and Paajarvi, if it involved a lottery pick rather than Hemmer or Penner and whatever other spare parts teams want. Alot depends as well if Ales and Dustin are both open to being extended here as well.

It's unfortunate to see the other side of that Paajarvi sword already, unlike Taylor and Jordan who're progressing in a game played by men, Paajarvi can't say that, he's been playing with men for 2 1/2 years now and he seems to have plateaued. Hope i'm wrong but that's just my 2 cents.

Plateaued already?! at 19! sorry dude i really dont think he's "plateaued" sure he hasn't come along as nicely as Hall or Eberle but give the Swede some time. He has played against men for 2 1/2yrs but in the SEL not NHL and to say the Oilers should look at trading him is ridoncules, STOP DRINKIN THE KOOL-AID MAN!!!!

Anyways IMO yes the Oilers are going through a re-build and yes they should definitly trade a few bodies but maybe ST should look at trying to get players that will help the team push for the playoffs(and get in) not just stock pile draft picks, otherwise i see the Oilers going the way of the NYI not Pittsburgh.

sidenote* I like the idea of tryin to get Orpik but not for Penner or Hemsky they BOTH are integral parts to the team i just hope they both want to re-sign long term

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#35 tyler
January 15 2011, 11:23AM
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I would love to get parise. I would give up our pick mps and something else of course if we had to. parise is small but is very proven and feisty. Is almost like an american version of crosby also would really help our rebuild.

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#36 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2011, 11:27AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

OB1, you come across as someone who has a wealth of experience with this rebuilding process, are you from the Toronto area sir? What's wrong with the Penner and Gilbert to Boston for that To/Bos pick, or the Hemsky and Gagner to the islanders for their lottery pick?

Horcoff has been out for 6+ weeks now giving Sam that golden opportunity to earn that second line center position. Between getting pushed off the puck so easily, or the play dieing on his stick, even you must have a difficult time giving him a passing grade the last 6 weeks. I wouldn't hold out hope that Dustin or Ales would both want to remain part of the rebuild, i feel we're better off to push for one of those scenarios and make up their mind for them.

Well for one thing, picks outsid fo the top two have a disgustingly low rate of producing elite NHL'ers, so if we are trading with teams that are currently sitting at the 3rd/4th/5th overall pick and we add to their team moving us to 5th/6th/7th overall pick... well we are more then likely to be drawing a guy that you will want to run out of town in 2-3 years anyways.

Now top that off with the fact that teams rarely trade lotto picks...

Mostly though I thought it was funny that you of all people were going with the "no sense talking about this trade" angle, seeing as you've posted the above trade idea 458,593 times over the last 6 weeks.

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#37 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2011, 11:31AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

OB1, you come across as someone who has a wealth of experience with this rebuilding process, are you from the Toronto area sir? What's wrong with the Penner and Gilbert to Boston for that To/Bos pick, or the Hemsky and Gagner to the islanders for their lottery pick?

Horcoff has been out for 6+ weeks now giving Sam that golden opportunity to earn that second line center position. Between getting pushed off the puck so easily, or the play dieing on his stick, even you must have a difficult time giving him a passing grade the last 6 weeks. I wouldn't hold out hope that Dustin or Ales would both want to remain part of the rebuild, i feel we're better off to push for one of those scenarios and make up their mind for them.

Re Gagner, well I guess I'm a patient guy, because I don't expect 21 year olds to dominate, I follow the league closely enough to know we probably wont be getting the best out of him for another 2 years. Same story with PRV, only stretch him by another 2 years.

Hockey is about outscoring the opposition, not "staying on the puck" or "keeping the play alive on his stick" I could care less how ofent either of those things happen as long as you outscore the opposition.

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#38 Jay Gray
January 15 2011, 11:34AM
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Hextall is only rated 2pts above Roussell?!?! Blasphemy I say....Blasphemy. I so wouldn't do that deal.

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#39 DoubleJ
January 15 2011, 12:31PM
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Mention trade deadline and you sure get a lot insane ideas thrown out. Talk about putting to much value in our players.

I guess it happens every year. It's too bad Souray has played so poor in the A. I was hoping that he'd play himself onto another team.

I think if a team was smart that they would pick up Gerber from the Oilers. He could be that cheap insurance.

Players that need to go soon, Brule, Cogs, Smid, Vandermmer and hopefully Foster also JFJ's.

If Omark gets sent down again, because Jfj needs to be here and the ineffective Smac.

What are the lines if everyone is healthy?

Penner/Gagner or Cogs/Hemsky, Hall/Horcoff/Eberle, MPS/Cogs or Gagner/Omark, Reddox/Fraser/Jones, extras Smac/Brule

Gilbert/Whitney, Smid/ Petry, Peckham/Chorney, extras Vandermmer Foster

Dub's, Gerber

That's the best line up for success out of our current roster IMO.

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#40 Grant Fuhrer
January 15 2011, 12:45PM
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potential trades aside, I just love how lindros is rated 100 in that video game...too bad his brains are mush now

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#41 Wax Man Riley
January 15 2011, 12:59PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I agree. If Hemmer and Penner will sign 3+ year contracts, then I say keep them both. A young, rebuilding team need some veteran scoring to take the pressure off the young'ns. Thats why the NYI/FLA never get better becasue they keep trading away veteran scoring and their draft picks, as bad as they have been, are not given a year or two of sheltered growth. Not including Hemmer and Penner, their scorers would all be 21 or younger (not including Horcs as a scorer). Too young, too much pressure.

If one of those two are not interested in sticking with the Tambo plan, then I like the Pens as a trade partner. They need a scoring winger more than any other team in the league and they have an abundance of good d-man. No way they let go of Letang or Goligoski, but I like Orpik. He's the big, tough and nasty shut-down D-man that the Oil desperatly need. He is a top 4 on any team accept maybe PHI, VAN and PIT. Get at least a second rounder as well and we would be doing Pit a favour releiving them of 3.75 M in salary for someone who is currnelty number 5 in there Defensive core. Pit may be so desperate to get a scoring winger that Tambo could potentially get a 1st rounder instead (considering PIT's 1st rounder is basically an early 2nd rounder anyway). Maybe throw in Vandermeer for Defensive insurance or Brule/Cogs.

Penner and Vandermeer for Orpik and a 1st rounder would be great for both teams. Or Hemsky and Brule for Orpik, Asham and 1st rounder. (Asham makes the salary balance out and gives us more size and grit for the 3rd line)

That trade would go a long way in helping the Oil.

Props to the NYI/FLA comparison. There is a reason that neither team can improve despite so many high 1st round pics.

Negative props to trading Hemsky or Penner. I don't believe it has to be done. If anything, try to dump some of the dead weight for sock tape. JFJ, Vandermeer, Struds, SMac,(maybe)Smid and one of Brule, Cogs, Reddox, Gags has to go. Too many small skilled forwards.

I'm hoping it's Brule that gets dealt. Poor follow up to a decent season.

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2011, 01:06PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

All the more reason to make that push for a top two pick don't you think? The Oilers finished dead last and had less than a 50/50 chance of retaining that pick, holding 2 of the 5 picks means we have as good a shot at it as anyone. I know i've been pushing these two deals at nauseum, but i feel we have 3 assets that may allow for one of these scenarios to occur. Even though we don't agree on Gagner, you must admit that Hemsky and Gagner to the Islanders is pretty sweet eh? I just like our chances with ending up with the best player if this were to happen, and having the best player will allow us to outscore the opposition more often don't you think?

Too risky for me.

Here's 2000-2007 3rd overall picks:

Gaborik/Svitov/Bowmeester/Horton/Barker/Jack Johnson/Toews/Turris

Only one I'd trade Hemmer/Gagner for would be Toews... And I guess Gaborik, but only if he could stay healthy.

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#43 magisterrex
January 15 2011, 01:07PM
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The Oklahoma City Barons of the American Hockey League signed defenseman Anthony Aiello to a PTO, general manager Bill Scott announced today. LINK

Two d-men in a week signed by Oklahoma. Could there be a d-man trade from the Oilers very soon?

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#44 Wax Man Riley
January 15 2011, 01:10PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

It's a good thing we have 5 weeks before the deadline. If Taylor Hall is comfortable and productive playing center this will change a number of things. Maybe we're better to move Gags and Paajarvi, if it involved a lottery pick rather than Hemmer or Penner and whatever other spare parts teams want. Alot depends as well if Ales and Dustin are both open to being extended here as well.

It's unfortunate to see the other side of that Paajarvi sword already, unlike Taylor and Jordan who're progressing in a game played by men, Paajarvi can't say that, he's been playing with men for 2 1/2 years now and he seems to have plateaued. Hope i'm wrong but that's just my 2 cents.

I hope you're wrong too. PRV is just 19 years old and has a ton of talent and seems to love to compete. He will be a gamer for sure, but might not take off until he's 23 or so. Definitely not over the hill.

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#45 Wax Man Riley
January 15 2011, 01:13PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Here is an interesting possibility:

Foster, Omark and Cogliano for Parise. NJ gets a 1st and 2nd rounder if we sign him.

Why I think this makes sense? NJ cannot afford Parise (7 mill) with the Kovi monstrosity. Cant see him wanting to stay since they basically told him Kovy was the guy they wanted to build around by maying him so much and with the extar salary spent to keep Parise would handcuff them to get any better. As an RFA, I beleive (someone will correct me if I am wrong) NJ would get 2 firsts, 2nd and a 3rd if they loose him to an offer sheet of that value. With Edm, their 1st and 2nd hold the same value as two 1st rounders in the high teens. They also get a first rounder quality in Omark and an offensive PP QB that they desperatly need. They also seen Foster a lot with Tampa last year so probably have positive thoughts about him. If we don't sign him, we only really lose Omark as Cogs wouldn't be back next year and you would not get much for him anyway, and Foster does not seem to fit with the Oil right now.

I also beleive Parise can play centre as well and is a shooter for Hemmer. This lets you trade Penner fora very high pick or a shutdown d-man that we desperatly need.

How about a top 6 like this with an average age of under 22 yrs old!!:

Hall - Parise - Hemsky Paajarvi - Gagner - Eberle

If not, maybe Zajac can be dealt for.

Those lines look pretty good, yes. That many picks is a lot to give up as well as roster players. I would not make that deal.

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#46 Team Hall
January 15 2011, 01:25PM
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I have to go to bat for Khabby. When a goalie is overplayed, he plays poorly. Look at the best goalie in the world, Kipprusof. He's been overplayed, and he looks pedestrian. Same with Khabby. We need a veteran mentor/backup for Doobie. Khabby has won a cup, knows what it takes. Khabby flat out stole us games earlier this year, gets overplayed and has a bad stretch, and now he "blows chunks". That's flat out wrong. Please do not trade Hemmer or Penner. Did you know why we actually won a game against a good Sharks team? Hemmer and Penner. What happens when you take them away? We lose that game.

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#47 Jodes
January 15 2011, 02:00PM
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Lowetide, now that Mike Commodore is on Re-entry waivers, would it truely hurt the Oilers to bring in another veteran D and 1/2 the cost, or should they just let the kids like Chorney and Petry play?

Or is it just a case of Commodore's too soft, too small and too old to help this Oilers team?

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#48 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 15 2011, 02:03PM
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Jodes wrote:

Lowetide, now that Mike Commodore is on Re-entry waivers, would it truely hurt the Oilers to bring in another veteran D and 1/2 the cost, or should they just let the kids like Chorney and Petry play?

Or is it just a case of Commodore's too soft, too small and too old to help this Oilers team?

"Commodore's too soft, too small"

?????

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#49 Jodes
January 15 2011, 02:11PM
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I always thought Commodore was more of a Tom Gilbert type player, then your stay at home shut down guy.

Maybe I'm just listening to too many Blue Jackets fans lol.

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#50 Oilers4ever
January 15 2011, 02:19PM
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I know it's only been a couple of games (looking forward to LA tonight), but if the Hall-Pens-Hemmer line continues to play like they did in San Jose, the Oil would be assinine to trade either Hemsky or Penner. Anyone who thinks you will get a first round pick for Penner is nuts.. and if it's a team outside of the top 5-7 picks it's not worth it unless there is a sizeable asset as well coming back. Personally, there is other junk on this team like Brule, JFJ, Cogliano, Vandersmear, and such to be traded first.

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