Trade Deadline Primer #1

Lowetide
January 15 2011 08:12AM

The NHL trade deadline is February 28th at 1PM Edmonton time. Last year there were over 30 trades on Deadline Day and another 20 or so leading up to it. Why talk about it this soon? Two reasons: the Oilers should be very involved and the Oilers did quite well at the last deadline. Can Steve Tambellini do it again?

Logic suggests that 50 trades in a 30 team league means that an average team would be involved in 3.3 trades each deadline period (if 50 trades is the norm). The Oilers did some big business at the last deadline:

  1. March 1: D Denis Grebeshkov to Nashville for their 2nd rd pick. Stu MacGregor turned that into Curtis Hamilton.
  2. March 2: D Cody Wild to Boston for F Matt Marquardt.
  3. March 3: D Lubo Visnovsky to Anaheim for D Ryan Whitney and a 6th rd pick in 2010. MBS turned that selection into Brandon Davidson.
  4. March 3: D Steve Staios to Calgary for D Aaron Johnson and 2011 3rd rd pick.

There are a couple of items here: first, the Oilers traded defensemen in all 4 transactions. That's a theme for every trade deadline, a day when grizzled veterans enjoy their peak value. When a team trades for a 33-year old defenseman it's like taking out insurance on injury. Better to give up your 2nd or 3rd rd pick in the summer than endure the pain of the 2005-06 Buffalo Sabres (brief description here).

I've discussed the Oilers possible trade assets for 2011 here and here. Among the current Oiler blue, I'd suggest that Jim Vandermeer, Ladislav Smid and Kurtis Foster are possible trade items that fit the trade deadline "need for blue" so many playoff bound teams will be looking for at the end of February.

The Oilers have trade partners that they do a lot of business with and that may factor into the deadline:

  1. Carolina: Oilers acquired and then dealt Erik Cole to the Hurricanes in the recent past.
  2. Los Angeles Kings: The Lubo-Stoll/Greene deal and the Cole-Williams-O'Sullivan trade.
  3. Philadelphia Flyers: Pitkanen trade and the Potulny deal since 2007 summer.

Edmonton has also done business with the Islanders, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Nashville, Boston, Anaheim, Calgary, Chicago and Phoenix. I can't imagine another Flames-Oilers trade but those other teams should be considered as we look toward the deadline.

Edmonton (and other non-playoff teams) are going to enjoy an active market based on how many teams are still in the playoff hunt. 10 eastern conference teams are in go mode and as many as 14 western teams are probably thinking about adding men. More on the deadline in the days to come.

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#51 Horcsky
January 15 2011, 02:30PM
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Jodes wrote:

Lowetide, now that Mike Commodore is on Re-entry waivers, would it truely hurt the Oilers to bring in another veteran D and 1/2 the cost, or should they just let the kids like Chorney and Petry play?

Or is it just a case of Commodore's too soft, too small and too old to help this Oilers team?

I've said it many times before; just say no to Mike Commodore.

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#52 jake
January 15 2011, 02:40PM
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I wonder if trade talks/resigning "discussions" with Hemksy started with the reported dinner with Katz and have now evolved to the Hall experiment at center? (OK guys, get me a freakin offensive minded center to play with...)

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#53 Quicksilver ballet
January 15 2011, 03:23PM
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Oilers4ever wrote:

I know it's only been a couple of games (looking forward to LA tonight), but if the Hall-Pens-Hemmer line continues to play like they did in San Jose, the Oil would be assinine to trade either Hemsky or Penner. Anyone who thinks you will get a first round pick for Penner is nuts.. and if it's a team outside of the top 5-7 picks it's not worth it unless there is a sizeable asset as well coming back. Personally, there is other junk on this team like Brule, JFJ, Cogliano, Vandersmear, and such to be traded first.

The Bruins are playing with house money, if they feel they're close maybe they surrender that pick if a team has something the Bruins need or see as a fit. Chiarelli and Tambellini know each others needs/feelings on players by now, there is an opportunity there if the Bruins come calling.

I'm sure before the deadline Tambellini will have an idea if he's going to be able to re sign these two, or know if after one year of this rebuild they decide they want out. The last thing you can afford to do is let them walk away as a UFA for nothing.

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#54 EDM
January 15 2011, 03:36PM
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The Edmonton Oilers Should Move Ladi Smid. The Ottawa Senators Would FOR SURE Be Interested. He Hasnt Done Much When You Look At It. He Cant Score. Doesnt Put Numbers Up. He's Not That Tough. Always Being Hurt Does Not Help Either. Get Something For Him Before Its Too Late!

I Dont Think The Edmonton Oilers Could Move Jim Vandermeer. But Again... They Traded Steve Staios To Calgary LOL So Anything Could Happen. He Would Be Worth Dumping For Sure.

The Oilers Have To Move Tom Gilbert. He Just Isnt Right Going Forward. Get Something For Him In A Package Of Draft Picks And Prospects... And Then Hopefully Draft Larsson To Take His Spot Next Year. Gilberts Contract Would Be Hard To Move Come Feb 28th, But A Summer Deal May Be In The Works.

The Edmonton Oilers Could Also Move Minor League Goalie Martin Gerber To A Deal Who Needs Better Goalie Depth. Wouldnt Be A Bad Idea. Or Even Deslaurier.

Ales Hemsky Should Remain An Oiler. Unless LA Gives Up Schenn And Something. Then Do It.

Dustin Penner, Although Slow. Is Worth Keeping Around For Leadership And Scoring Depth. Do Not Move.

Andrew Cogliano & Gilbert Brule Can Both Go. Brule For A 2nd Or Third Rounder. (Remember, The Oilers Only Got Him For Raffi Torres). And A 2nd Rounder And Prospect For Cogliano Would Work. Although TSN Said Florida Offered The 15th (i believe) Pick In 2010 For Cogliano. When The Oilers Prospect They Wanted Was Not There.. They Backed Away. So Value Must Be Still There. How About Nic Fogliano/Someone, For Cogliano/Smid. Would Be Worth It Forsure.

WAIVERS JF Jacques Has To Go. Even Tree Huggie Bear: Zach Stortini Can Go!

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#55 Jodes
January 15 2011, 04:08PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

All he really has is size/physicality.

He's 6'4 225, I haven't seen much of him this year, but he was very physical in the past.

Thanks OB1.. I just know that he was tough playing against when he was with Carolina, and sadly he does have a cup ring.

I guess the last few years he's disappeared off the map with injuries, etc.

I'm sure someone will take him at 1/2 price..

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#56 Oilchange64
January 15 2011, 04:54PM
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Why all the hate for Smid? My star!!! Lol.

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#57 Mercs
January 15 2011, 08:10PM
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Okay so assuming Commodore clears waivers and Columbus is stuck with a bum contract. Is there Ownership willing to eat the contract?? Highly doubtful and what kind of heat does this turn up on Scott Howson???

Hemsky

For

Johansen And Commodore

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#58 FastOIl
January 15 2011, 09:50PM
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Penner, Hemsky, Gagner, Hall, Eberle and Gilbert or Whitney on their own, or with a secondary player can bring a 1st round pick or core player in a trade.

Talented top 6 forwards and puck moving D when young and on value contracts are golden, especially after the Kovalchuk fiasco. Any Gm who signs a contract anywhere near Crosby's from now on is clueless and failed economics.

If there is any doubt about one of these players ( which wouldn't include Hall or Eberle ) then get the value for them and bring in the player you want/need or draft them.

Seems simple to me, but amazingly most GM's have trouble assessing who the good players are that bring home the bacon. They seem to follow player fads like teenage girls follow American Idol contestants.

Maybe they should become mathletes and surf the Oilogosphere.

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#59 Jodes
January 16 2011, 02:36AM
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Mercs wrote:

Okay so assuming Commodore clears waivers and Columbus is stuck with a bum contract. Is there Ownership willing to eat the contract?? Highly doubtful and what kind of heat does this turn up on Scott Howson???

Hemsky

For

Johansen And Commodore

He's on re-entry waivers, so Columbus is on the hook for 1/2 his salary.. Which I believe is under 2 million a season.

Why would you send Hemsky to a division rival?

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#60 Pajamah
January 16 2011, 07:50AM
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EDM wrote:

The Edmonton Oilers Should Move Ladi Smid. The Ottawa Senators Would FOR SURE Be Interested. He Hasnt Done Much When You Look At It. He Cant Score. Doesnt Put Numbers Up. He's Not That Tough. Always Being Hurt Does Not Help Either. Get Something For Him Before Its Too Late!

I Dont Think The Edmonton Oilers Could Move Jim Vandermeer. But Again... They Traded Steve Staios To Calgary LOL So Anything Could Happen. He Would Be Worth Dumping For Sure.

The Oilers Have To Move Tom Gilbert. He Just Isnt Right Going Forward. Get Something For Him In A Package Of Draft Picks And Prospects... And Then Hopefully Draft Larsson To Take His Spot Next Year. Gilberts Contract Would Be Hard To Move Come Feb 28th, But A Summer Deal May Be In The Works.

The Edmonton Oilers Could Also Move Minor League Goalie Martin Gerber To A Deal Who Needs Better Goalie Depth. Wouldnt Be A Bad Idea. Or Even Deslaurier.

Ales Hemsky Should Remain An Oiler. Unless LA Gives Up Schenn And Something. Then Do It.

Dustin Penner, Although Slow. Is Worth Keeping Around For Leadership And Scoring Depth. Do Not Move.

Andrew Cogliano & Gilbert Brule Can Both Go. Brule For A 2nd Or Third Rounder. (Remember, The Oilers Only Got Him For Raffi Torres). And A 2nd Rounder And Prospect For Cogliano Would Work. Although TSN Said Florida Offered The 15th (i believe) Pick In 2010 For Cogliano. When The Oilers Prospect They Wanted Was Not There.. They Backed Away. So Value Must Be Still There. How About Nic Fogliano/Someone, For Cogliano/Smid. Would Be Worth It Forsure.

WAIVERS JF Jacques Has To Go. Even Tree Huggie Bear: Zach Stortini Can Go!

why, in all that is holy, did you spend the time it takes to capitalize every single word you wrote?

not that what you say has no merit, its just harder to take you seriously, when you're one step up...

FrOm TyPiNg LiKe This

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#61 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
January 16 2011, 06:34PM
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EDM wrote:

The Edmonton Oilers Should Move Ladi Smid. The Ottawa Senators Would FOR SURE Be Interested. He Hasnt Done Much When You Look At It. He Cant Score. Doesnt Put Numbers Up. He's Not That Tough. Always Being Hurt Does Not Help Either. Get Something For Him Before Its Too Late!

I Dont Think The Edmonton Oilers Could Move Jim Vandermeer. But Again... They Traded Steve Staios To Calgary LOL So Anything Could Happen. He Would Be Worth Dumping For Sure.

The Oilers Have To Move Tom Gilbert. He Just Isnt Right Going Forward. Get Something For Him In A Package Of Draft Picks And Prospects... And Then Hopefully Draft Larsson To Take His Spot Next Year. Gilberts Contract Would Be Hard To Move Come Feb 28th, But A Summer Deal May Be In The Works.

The Edmonton Oilers Could Also Move Minor League Goalie Martin Gerber To A Deal Who Needs Better Goalie Depth. Wouldnt Be A Bad Idea. Or Even Deslaurier.

Ales Hemsky Should Remain An Oiler. Unless LA Gives Up Schenn And Something. Then Do It.

Dustin Penner, Although Slow. Is Worth Keeping Around For Leadership And Scoring Depth. Do Not Move.

Andrew Cogliano & Gilbert Brule Can Both Go. Brule For A 2nd Or Third Rounder. (Remember, The Oilers Only Got Him For Raffi Torres). And A 2nd Rounder And Prospect For Cogliano Would Work. Although TSN Said Florida Offered The 15th (i believe) Pick In 2010 For Cogliano. When The Oilers Prospect They Wanted Was Not There.. They Backed Away. So Value Must Be Still There. How About Nic Fogliano/Someone, For Cogliano/Smid. Would Be Worth It Forsure.

WAIVERS JF Jacques Has To Go. Even Tree Huggie Bear: Zach Stortini Can Go!

Other than the fact that you CAPITALIZED EVERY FRERAKING WORD, some of what you say make sense, and some screams WTF???? Fogliano??? You mean Foglino and somebody?? Who? and for Cogs and Smidder?? Pass me the stuff you're smoking bud. Nobody is going to take the crap you mentioned. Mike Milbury is no longer a GM in the League.

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