Perfect Storm

Lowetide
January 20 2011 05:34PM

In a draft season that is perhaps a little shy of the 2010 edition, it looks like the Edmonton Oilers might be entering a perfect storm. Their "ideal" player is out there but seems to be slipping down the charts. The Oilers may fall ass over tea kettle into Sean Couturier. It's a big deal.
 

The 2010 entry draft boasted both Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin at the top, plus some very nice consolation prizes in Erik Gudbranson, Jeff Skinner, Ryan Johansson, Alexander Burmistrov and Cam Fowler. The 2011 draft has Adam Larsson (likely a New Jersey Devil come draft day) and then an interesting assortment of top drawer forwards.

Sean Couturier has been a player of interest for Oiler fans since early fall. Why? Size, skill, strength and some swagger at center. For an organization that used seven of their last 10 first round picks on the position, he would seem to be a perfect seelction. However, Couturier's status at the very top of the draft has come into question. Skating issues, few points at the World juniors and last night a subpar showing at the prospects game imply he might be falling down the draft list.

What can we say in defense of Sean Couturier? Plenty.

  1. Although Couturier's WJ boxcars are just average (2-1-3) the young man did not play a feature role on an offensive line nor did he get monster PP opportuinities. He did finish +6 (tied for 3rd) at the World juniors.
  2. Couturier is lighting it up in the QMJHL (19-43-62 in 37 games) and his points-per-game number (1.68) is a perfect match for Tyler Seguin's OHL season in 09-10 (1.68 ppg).
  3. His current NHL equivalency (courtesy Gabriel Desjardsin) is 82gp, 12-26-38 .463. That's about where Tarasenko ranked a year ago.
  4. 6.04, 195. Sam Gagner (5.10, 190), Shawn Horcoff (6.01, 202), Andrew Cogliano (5.10, 185) could use the help.

I believe the Oilers should draft Sean Couturier if he's available in June. I also believe Stu MacGregor is probably leaning this way, considering just how long it has been since this club had a stud in the middle. Proof? Tune in Bob Stauffer's show most days and listen how he talks about team needs, and especially listen when someone is interviewing Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor. The Oilers need a big center with skill like a flower needs the rain.

There are other candidates. If Larsson falls to the Oilers I expect they'll strongly consider him, although there does seem to be less pressure on the future blue with the development of Peckham and Petry this season. Also, I've made my views on Gabriel Landeskog known (the Oilers need a gritty winger with a touch of filth almost as much as they need a center), but at the end of the day (which will be the title of Chris Pronger's life story) Couturier should be an Oiler come draft day.

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#1 PaperDesigner
January 20 2011, 11:18PM
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How can you say Sam Gagner is not a number two centre when he's already producing like one? I hate to burst your bubble, but there aren't a ton of number two centres who produce 60+ points. 45-55 points, which is the range Gagner should fall in this season, is well within the range of a number two centre. In fact, I think it's time we start calling Gagner an established number two centre. He's never produced less than forty points, he's had two and a half seasons where pro-rated over eighty two games, he'd be at around a fifty point pace. The question isn't whether or not Sam Gagner can be a number two centre; he already IS. The question is whether he gets takes another step. I believe he will be, and I think he'll become on this team what he's always been at every other level; a very good complementary scorer who can play with your high end wingers and post almost as impressive numbers.

But as to the original point...

I don't understand this emphasis on a big centre. Their three best prospects are all forwards. I have a real concern that without an elite level talent on the back-end, that this team may never win a championship. Does anyone think Petry is going to turn into a dominant, 30 minute a game defenceman? Or hope that Marincin is the once-in-a-blue-moon elite level defenceman who slips into the second round? We can hope, but I'd feel safer betting on Larsson. We can move Hall to centre, we can wait and see on Gagner, and ultimately, I think the importance of the centre has been overrated. Elite level players have often played at centre, and so the teams that have won championships have tended to be lead by centremen. We have a potentially elite group of forwards as is. I'd rather they shore up the D with a key addition in Larsson than Courturier.

Granted, if Larsson is gone, Courturier is a good consolation prize.

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#2 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 20 2011, 05:50PM
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Agreed.

My only worry with Couturier is he might "look lazy" and not deliver 70+ points quick enough to satisfy Oiler fans.... putting him squarly in the fans firing line... say Oct 2014.

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#3 misfit
January 21 2011, 09:26AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Agreed.

My only worry with Couturier is he might "look lazy" and not deliver 70+ points quick enough to satisfy Oiler fans.... putting him squarly in the fans firing line... say Oct 2014.

Kind of like what's happening with Sam Gagner right now?

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#4 Racki
January 20 2011, 05:51PM
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I'd be pretty happy with either of Couturier or Larsson. I wouldn't be upset about getting RNH or Landeskog either, but I don't think they address *immediate* needs. However, you know how the saying goes.. don't draft by need in the first round (unless the players involved are equally skilled). If there is no clear cut winner, then yah, Couturier would be great, as would Larsson. Otherwise, I hope they just pick the obvious best player.

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#5 They're $hittie
January 20 2011, 06:00PM
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My order

Couturier Larsson Landeskog Nugent-Hopkins

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#6 Bucknuck
January 20 2011, 06:01PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Agreed.

My only worry with Couturier is he might "look lazy" and not deliver 70+ points quick enough to satisfy Oiler fans.... putting him squarly in the fans firing line... say Oct 2014.

Yeah it does seem to happen to the lanky guys around here (Arnott, Penner). The fans are pretty unreasonable, but that's what happens when you expose them to a generation of Messier, Gretzky, and to a certain extent, Doug Weight.

We been spoiled, and so our expectations are always a might too high.

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#8 @NateInVegas
January 20 2011, 06:58PM
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@Lowetide,

Without a clear #1 can you see a scenario where the Oilers move back a spot? (at the draft)

Couturier's defensive zone play is almost perfect and he initiates contact which are two things Edm lacks.

Moving forward with RNH & Sam Gagner as #1,2 centers scares me...

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#9 speeds
January 20 2011, 07:11PM
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I kind of wonder if Couturier has taken a bit of a hit in profile lately because he's not as flashy as some of the other guys, he seems to be more quiet about producing excellent results.

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#10 andrewmk20
January 20 2011, 10:42PM
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@Ricky p

this might be nitpicking but it's starting to bother me.

Gagner

G-A-G-N-E-R

Sam Gagner

Also I agree, the Oilers really can't make a bad pick if they get no.1. Larsson/Couturier/RNH all fill a need for the Oilers.

Also despite being small (5'11-6' and 160lbs) many people compare RNH to Patrick Kane in terms of his ability to stay strong on his feet. In that case I don't really care about weight and height if the player has balance and a strong lower body. The other two guys kind of speak for themselves and many posters on this site have already said what's needed to be said about SC and AL.

As far as an example of having good balance and a strong lower body look at Omark and Hemsky as an example. Omark is much stronger on his feet and is tougher to knock off the puck then Hemsky because he has much better balance and keeps his feet planted wide while Hemsky stands straight up and makes himself very hittable.

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#11 Mike Modano's Dog
January 21 2011, 11:26AM
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I have grave concerns about Sean Couterier based on what I've seen. I've only seen him play in the WJC as well as the prospects game, mind you.

To me, he plays with no emotion, and very little drive. That concerns me more than anything else. If it was simply footspeed, or not being physically mature for example you could argue that that will come. But heart, well I believe if you don't have that rarely does it come along later, so I worry about him in that regard.

Now that said there are players worth taking a chance on with that perceived problem, such as Ryan Martindale last year in the 3rd round. But with the 2nd or 3rd overall pick, no thanks!

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#12 Horcsky
January 20 2011, 05:42PM
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Ahem... FIST!

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#13 Horcsky
January 20 2011, 05:56PM
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Skating ability Shmating shability. Who would you rather have, Andrew Cogliano, or Sean Couturier? Even better, JF Jacques, or Zach Stortini?

Unless a player has the speed of Big Mac, as long as he has a good range of other skills (hockey sense being paramount), then he can play in the NHL. And even Big Mac might be a better player than JFJ!

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#14 They're $hittie
January 20 2011, 06:00PM
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My order

Couturier Larsson Landeskog Nugent-Hopkins

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#15 They're $hittie
January 20 2011, 06:01PM
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My order

Couturier Larsson Landeskog Nugent-Hopkins

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#16 Bucknuck
January 20 2011, 06:07PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Agreed.

My only worry with Couturier is he might "look lazy" and not deliver 70+ points quick enough to satisfy Oiler fans.... putting him squarly in the fans firing line... say Oct 2014.

Yeah it does seem to happen to the lanky guys around here (Arnott, Penner). The fans are pretty unreasonable, but that's what happens when you expose them to a generation of Messier, Gretzky, and to a certain extent, Doug Weight.

We been spoiled, and so our expectations are always a might too high.

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#17 Jon
January 20 2011, 06:22PM
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Whatever happened to BPA? I hope management sticks to drafting the best player available, the guy who will be the best 5 to 10 years down the road. Whether it's an average sized center or a big one, I just want the best one.

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#18 Archaeologuy
January 20 2011, 06:46PM
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Finsihing 29th would be just fine this year. No matter which way the lottery plays out and the other teams draft, one of Larsson, RNH, or Couturier will be available and all 3 serve a need the Oilers have.

RNH is a little more scary because he lacks the size that the team seems to be dying for, but if his offense is the real deal then that should be overlooked.

I certainly wouldnt be angry if the Oil went after Couturier with their pick though. I cant wait to see how these kids play out the back half of the year.

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#19 Quicksilver ballet
January 20 2011, 07:03PM
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Watching RNH last evening reminded me a little of Dougy Weight with better wheels. Hope Steve goes into sell sell sell mode soon, be nice to get more than one of these kids.

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#21 Devon
January 20 2011, 09:39PM
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With New Jersey's slightly improved play last place isn't out of the question. Then what would the Oilers do still go with the biggest need which would be Couturier or go for the best player which most people agree is Larsson. Given the play of Petry and Peckham the need for a D might be lessened. At the same time they can take much more time to develop compared to Couturier who might be able to make a more immediate impact even if a third line center role.

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#22 DoubleJ
January 20 2011, 09:40PM
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Can the Oilers pick up Nabokov off waivers then trade him to the Red Wings? for like a fifth round pick?

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#23 Ricky p
January 20 2011, 10:16PM
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Gagnon is not the answer for number 1 or 2 center. I see him as a solid third line center for this team if we can find some size and grit to play with him. That will take a couple years to develop

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#24 nullterm
January 20 2011, 10:41PM
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DoubleJ wrote:

Can the Oilers pick up Nabokov off waivers then trade him to the Red Wings? for like a fifth round pick?

No, I believe if you claim him that you are stuck with him until you waive him yourself. In which case the original team gets first dibs.

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#25 TigerUnderGlass
January 20 2011, 10:52PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

My order

Couturier Larsson Landeskog Nugent-Hopkins

What was your order again?

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#26 philsner
January 20 2011, 11:20PM
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Thank you, the voice of reason amongst the sea of nerds who wished we had Seguin instead of Hall last year. There isn't an elite standout center this year like Thornton/Crosby/Lecavalier/Malkin were in their draft years. You draft the best player available and don't look back. This draft could easily turn into a draft as bad as 1996 or 2002.

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#27 philsner
January 20 2011, 11:21PM
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Jon wrote:

Whatever happened to BPA? I hope management sticks to drafting the best player available, the guy who will be the best 5 to 10 years down the road. Whether it's an average sized center or a big one, I just want the best one.

Thank you, the voice of reason amongst the sea of nerds who wished we had Seguin instead of Hall last year. There isn't an elite standout center this year like Thornton/Crosby/Lecavalier/Malkin were in their draft years. You draft the best player available and don't look back. This draft could easily turn into a draft as bad as 1996 or 2002.

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#28 forestscooter
January 20 2011, 11:27PM
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too many variables to predict at this point.. but I hope it isn't sean couturier..

will the hall experiment at center work ? if it does then we have a 1C in Hall and a 2C in gagner and a 3C in Horcoff. Then we have no need for sean.

If NJ and/or NYI keeps winning, and the Oilers keep losing, we will be drafting 1/2 .. would we pick Sean who could be rated 4/5.. doubtful.. MBS stated in an interview with Gregor he would draft BPA.. we won't use a #1 pick to draft the #5 rated.

Definitely Sean has his upside.. and if Hall doesnt work out at 1C.. and the Oilers win some games to end up in the 3/4/5 draft position.. maybe Sean will be an Oiler... but those are a lot of 'ifs'.

And honestly I hope it doesnt happen. I would rather Hall succeed at 1C and see Penner/MP/Hemmer/Omark compete for time on the wings, and draft either Landeskog or Adam. My opinion.

Edit.. and we draft Sean Couturier, what does that tell Gagner (and to a lesser extent Cogliano)... pack your bags kids because if Sean plays well you're gone... not a great statement.

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#29 EasyOil
January 21 2011, 02:35AM
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@PaperDesigner

Couldn't agree with you more PD, I made the exact same point over at C&B. I'll repost here what I posted there:

"It’ll be very interesting to see how the Oilers look down the middle in the not too distant future. Obviously there will be players who get traded, don’t get (re)signed, or who simply aren’t good enough, but at the moment we currently have Gagner, Horcoff, Cogliano and Fraser with the big club (and maybe Hall, under the experiment); then on the Barons (with a legitimate shot at a role) we have O’Marra and Vande Velde (Kytnar is an outside shot); whilst “in the system” we have Lander, Pitlick, Martindale. Add to that the possibility (no matter how great or slim) of drafting Couturier or RNH.

That’s 12 Centres vying for 4 spots on the big club. Not a bad problem to have, and like I said not all will be with the team much longer (Fraser, maybe Cogs), some will move to wing (Cogs, Pitlick, Hall), some might not be good enough to make the team (O’Marra, Vande Velde, Martindale, Kytnar).

Fortunately for the young guys in the system, the big club lacks serious face off skills, and for one reason or another they just aren’t learning how to get better, so that creates a need – which Vande Velde, O’Marra, Lander (although his FO stats this season are underwhelming) and Pitlick are all said to be very good at.

I haven’t heard much in terms of Martindales FO ability, but to me he seems like the biggest mystery out of all Oilers prospects – has he overcome his attitude problems this season or is it just playing with Prince and Toffoli? I would argue against the latter as he is the centre, so he is just as important as the wingers, if not more-so. He could potentially be the first line centre we need, or he could flame out. I don’t see much in-between with him. Highly-skilled and big, and putting up big numbers, but still a mystery – don’t see that too often!

Personally i think Lander, Vande Velde (who according to Neal Livingston is an extremely important piece of the Barons PK, even if he isn’t scoring) and Pitlick are the best shots for the bottom 6, staying with Gags and Horcoff in the top 6, and drafting Larsson or Hamilton. We need a D-man (Marincin is looking great but its early days yet). If Gagner (or Hall) can learn how to take a FO, then our strength on the wings negates the need for a superstar centre, in my opinion at least."

As such, I would take Larsson if he's available without a doubt. If he's not available, and if Gagner and/or Hall look like they can handle the load, I'd take Landeskog or Hamilton. If they don't look capable, I take Couturier. I'm usually an advocate for BPA, but in this case, as LT says, this year BPA=need. I expect Larsson to be gone however, unless we get number 1, and the Oilers to take Couturier, which I won't complain about by any means. Just that we have strong forward core (offensively, potentially) so if we can strike the balance of having an all-world D-corps (imagine Whitney, Gilbert, Petry, Peckham, Smid and Larsson, and maybe Marincin or Plante if they work out - thats one tough-yet-talented blueline) then that would be great.

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#30 Aleslav Smidsky
January 21 2011, 02:37AM
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Oilers should package some of the following players; Cogliano, Brule, Gagner, Foster and this year 1st round pick maybe even next years 1st or 2nd pick and get what they need via trades. Get a center and or a defenseman we need.

Enough of waiting on these little midgets to come through. Lets make moves, from Northlands to Downtown and beyond.

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#31 Coco crisp
January 21 2011, 03:49AM
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I doubt that the hall theory works out. My race is between landeskog and couturier. Landeskog from what I have witnessed is a beauty. Outside of the kids and jones/Mac we seem to be lacking in. ( that being beauties) But, that being said, couturier possibly may be a great choice. Both have grit which we need. As well as defensive game. I'm not going to complain if we end up getting any of them just not RNH.

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#32 Coco crisp
January 21 2011, 03:49AM
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I doubt that the hall theory works out. My race is between landeskog and couturier. Landeskog from what I have witnessed is a beauty. Outside of the kids and jones/Mac we seem to be lacking in. ( that being beauties) But, that being said, couturier possibly may be a great choice. Both have grit which we need. As well as defensive game. I'm not going to complain if we end up getting any of them just not RNH.

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#33 EasyOil
January 21 2011, 05:39AM
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Coco crisp wrote:

I doubt that the hall theory works out. My race is between landeskog and couturier. Landeskog from what I have witnessed is a beauty. Outside of the kids and jones/Mac we seem to be lacking in. ( that being beauties) But, that being said, couturier possibly may be a great choice. Both have grit which we need. As well as defensive game. I'm not going to complain if we end up getting any of them just not RNH.

To be fair, I won't complain with any of them, even RNH. They all have their up and down arrows. I have my preference (Larsson) but they all have great upside: Couturier with size, scoring instincts and defensive smarts (but average skater); Larsson with great 2 way play and size (but disappointing boxcars this year); Landeskog with all-round skill, grit and leadership (but possibly not a top-end scorer); and RNH with smarts, crazy-good skills, a good skater (but has concerns with his size, lack of goal scoring and high PP production).

The Oilers need each of those upsides in spades. I still think a defenseman is the way to go, but from everything I've heard SC and RNH are both good FO men, a massive need on this team, with SC being highly touted for his defensive skills (again, a massive need). If we take RNH, he will essentially be Gagner Mk.II (imo). This could make Gagner expendable, which I would hate to see happen as I think the kid has come a long way since 07. The ONLY thing RNH would have on Gagner is apparent FO ability, but I would still rather have the proven player in Gagner. But at the same time, we could get a good return for Gagner, as much as I'd hate to see him go, so drafting RNH wouldn't be the end of the world. That said, I can't see MBS drafting him - doesn't fit in with his style of taking big guys who can play (Abney excepted), so I don't think we have to worry about that.

I'm gonna call it as Larsson if he's available, SC if he's not.

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#34 VMR
January 21 2011, 07:57AM
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Couturier scores in the Q, the worst defensive league in the CHL, but seems to have problems putting up points against outside competition. That worries me. He doesnt really seem to use his size, unlike Landeskog. RNH seems to have top end playmaking skills, against top defenders.

If it were me I'd draft for the offense. RNH, followed by Larsson and then Landeskog is my order of preference.

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#36 slopitch
January 21 2011, 09:52AM
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I'd go Larsson, RHN, Coutourier, Landeskog

1) Oilers need a stud defender most. If he is BPA then its a no brainer IMO. A defender like Doughty or Scott Neidermayer could set up this franchise for a decade.

2) I don't like RNH and Gagner as 1/2 especially in a playoff series (I'd be considering moving Gagner for a defender if #2 is our pick). But RHN thinks the game well and creates offense better than anyone in the draft.

3) Coutourier sounds a bit like Jordan Staal - useful player but not enough offense. He does have a nice combo of size/skill.

4) Landeskog sounds like Evander Kane. These guys end up being dominant players but its harder against guys like Chara/Pronger than the OHL and power forwards take longer to develop. Id rather try for a James Neal type pick later in the draft where he can be developed properly with less pressure. Id be happy with Landeskog though. Our top 6 needs size and grit.

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#37 Quicksilver ballet
January 21 2011, 10:31AM
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misfit wrote:

Kind of like what's happening with Sam Gagner right now?

ZING!

Well played sir.

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#38 Scott in Grande Prairie
January 21 2011, 10:53AM
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My draft order:

1. Diane Lane in Unfaithful 2. Diane Lane in The Outsiders 3. Diane Lane in Under the Tuscan Sun 4. Diane Lane in The Perfect Storm.

Hot, hot, hot.

What? Different list?

Oh.

OK, here it goes:

1. Larsson 2. Landeskog 3. Couturier 4. Nugent-Hopkins

I think this is the year the Oilers draft the best player available by positional need. And that's defence, followed by a sandpaper-centre who can score (the Oilers desperately need a Mike Richards in the worst way).

Couturier worries me - not just because of his iffy WJC (yes, I know, it's a tournament for 19-year-olds, but that final game was his chance to shine and he didn't) but because of the Quebec League factor. No, this is not a French thing. We all know that Q has always been a scorer's league and the numbers sometimes get schewed (but admittedly, not always). Hell, I can live with his skating - it's the Would-He-Really-Be-That-Dominant-in-the-Dub Factor that most concerns me.

As for Nugent-Hopkins - haven't seen him play at all. Taking everyone's word for it that he's not as good as the other three and that size is an issue. But just watch - he'll be the Steve Yzerman of the draft. The guy who falls to a lucky team after the first two grab Brian Lawton and Sylvain Turgeon.

To sum: This should be the Year of the Swede for the Oilers.

And Diane Lane was hot back in the day is still pretty hot to-day.

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#39 Mike Modano's Dog
January 21 2011, 11:33AM
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My choices would be:

1. Larsson, as that future stud defenceman we need, by the slimmest of leads over...

2. Gabriel Landeskog, we need a player like Mike Richards!

3. RNH, and yes, then we would need to trade Samwise, though

4. A late charger, such as that big center, Jonathan Huberdeau, for example

5. Somebody else

6. Ryan Murphy, offensive defenceman being mentioned in the same breath as Paul Coffey

7. Sean Couturier, unless somebody else is available.

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#40 VMR
January 21 2011, 11:47AM
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Lowetide wrote:

IS the Q the worst defensive league in the CHL?

Maybe hyperbole on my part but it sure aint no WHL.

Tons of people have questioned his offensive capabilities and I see a lot of reasons to do that in his play outside the Q. If the best he becomes is a solid two way guy arent we better off with a possible offensive star?

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#41 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 21 2011, 12:05PM
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misfit wrote:

Kind of like what's happening with Sam Gagner right now?

Yup.

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#42 Chris.
January 21 2011, 01:03PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Jon: Absolutely. If MBS picks Landeskog there won't be any complaints. I think this is a perfect storm where bpa=needs.

...because the Oilers need everything!

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#43 spOILer
January 21 2011, 01:37PM
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Couturier reminds me of J-Bo a bit. He seems quite shy of the media and I wonder how well he would do in one of the Canadian fishbowl cities.

I think this should be of great concern. I prefer guys like Hall and Eeberle who want the pressure and crave the attention and seize the opportunities to prove themselves.

From the descriptions of SC's attitude and his agent's refusal to grant any interviews other than the required post-game scrums...

I'm not sure I would take SC. And I like everything else about him, foot speed be damned.

I suspect that if the Oilers finish last, we will take Larsson.

If we finish higher than that, I suspect we take Ryan Murphy and the interweb will go wild in celebration with the addition of another smurf to the organization. LOL.

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#44 DoubleJ
January 21 2011, 01:54PM
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What are Couturier's chances to get to the memorial cup? I'd like to see him more, because what I've seen isn't working for me.

Jonathan Huberdeau is the guy I'd be watching close. He's a big center who looked good in the prospect game. Saw him good.

The Nabokov waiver idea i mentioned earlier. If the Oilers were to pick him up. Then place him back on waivers. Were Detroit would get him back.

Could this be considered a wink wink type of deal where the Oilers could look for a easily aquired draft pick in the off season?

Just an idea.

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#45 godot10
January 21 2011, 02:33PM
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Ryan Nugent Hopkins has 7 even strength goals in over half a season (and only 17 even strength assists). The guy can't score in junior. How is he supposed to score in the NHL?

The scouts are lying their asses off this year in McKenzie's survey.

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#46 T.C.
January 21 2011, 02:50PM
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Can't believe nobody is picking landskog first.Big winger that can fight.

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#47 Mike Modano's Dog
January 21 2011, 03:40PM
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T.C. wrote:

Can't believe nobody is picking landskog first.Big winger that can fight.

I love Landeskog, even at first overall, for the Oilers. I mentioned Larsson as a hair ahead of him just because of their respective positions and our perceived need. I do believe, or at least hope, that the rest of the year will make that choice clear.

I would love Gabriel Landeskog as our first overall pick this year, though. He is my favorite prospect of them all for this year's draft. (I also would like Benjamin Conz as a sleeper pick this year, too.)

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#48 tyler
January 21 2011, 03:42PM
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@speeds

what has coutourier produced every time ive watched him hes been invisible. I know we need a center but draft the best player available. take into account that he hasnt really produced anything outside of the quebec league, and that the quebec league is probably the softest and easiest league tp play in.

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#49 tyler
January 21 2011, 03:46PM
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@philsner

totally agree

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#50 tyler
January 21 2011, 03:53PM
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@VMR

thats exactly the way I think coutourier produces decently in the quebec league but it seems when he plays the whl or ohl players which are filled the higher end and tougher players he accomplishes nothing but being alright defensively, would you really draft him at 1st overall if you had the chance. I know i would draft larson landeskog, or rnh

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