The Copper & Blue Mile

Lowetide
January 24 2011 09:40AM

Hockey rumors have become big business on the internet. Some yahoo in Philadelphia makes gobs of coin (apparently) by tapping into that small segment of the population that has been assigned to make certain the words of P. T. Barnum live on (those words being "there's a sucker born every minute,") However, when the big boys start talking about dealing Hemsky and Penner, I believe where there's smoke there's fire.

Elliotte Friedman is a respected report of national stature. He works for the #1 sports show in the nation (HNIC) and his 30 thoughts are a "must read" for hockey fans. So it certainly caught my attention when Friedman wrote the following this week:

  1. There is a feeling around the league that Ales Hemsky (who has concussion issues) and Dustin Penner are available for the right price. Of course, the Oilers need what everyone needs - centremen and defencemen. A healthy Hemsky gets you more than Penner, but there is no doubt Penner's play on a bad Oilers team over the past two years has changed a lot of the negative perceptions about him.

Friedman's 30 thoughts are here. I think the Oilers could get a lot for either player, but Hemsky's injuries are a worry. Friedman's comments about team needs are also spot on, so this looks legit. It should be an interesting deadline.

Some names we've discussed in the past are C's Stephen Weiss, Steve Ott, Joe Pavelski and Martin Hanzal. As for defensemen, I think we've discussed all of them.

Seriously.

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#51 The Beaker
January 24 2011, 10:58PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

I don't see Dustin hanging around unless the Oilers are willing to overpay for him to stay here, meaning 5-5.5'ish on a multi year deal.

It would be interesting to see what happens to Dustins game if he had to put up with teams teeing off on him like they have Hemsky for the last few years. Teams just seem to let Penner weave his way through a game without agitating him. Tambellinis phone's probably ringing more so for Penner than Hemsky, have to think Hemsky's value is much less than it was 16 months ago.

They don't agitate him for a reason. He plays WAY better when pissed off. (Sorry if that was implied in your post)

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#52 The Beaker
January 24 2011, 10:59PM
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People dont get jokes on the internet unless you put a ~ around them.

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#53 Kevin Jamieson
January 25 2011, 09:34AM
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Hemsky or Penner plus for Schenn?

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#54 Chris.
January 25 2011, 09:35AM
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It's no secret I'm not a fan of this management team... but eventually trades have to be made.... and I can only hope Mr Dithers gets it right.

The Oilers keep saying that they are trying to emmulate the Chicago rebuild: well a key piece of that rebuild; Patrick Sharp; was aquired via trade from Philly for Matt Ellison and a third round pick. (It's not like they had to trade a quality vetran) The mantra here is that Tambellini needs to keep all of his young players and picks... but if Chorney and a third could land us a player of Sharp's quality: well that's a no brainer! Good teams with depth on the farm, cap troubles, and rosters full of quality players may fall prey to a lopsided deal... it would be nice if we were the benificiaries of one of those for once. Can't say I've been too impressed with our pro scouting though... and favorable deals won't happen untill management does a better job correctly evaluating the pro talent that may be available.

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#55 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
January 25 2011, 11:33AM
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Kevin Jamieson wrote:

Hemsky or Penner plus for Schenn?

Who knows what could happen if the Kings came calling wanting say a Penner and Gilbert. Penner i feel would fetch the most in return. Would be great if there's more than one club interested in his services. If Steve can sit tight and wait for the best offer, Dustin is probably the one guy a team could end up overpaying for.

Would you do Penner and Petry for Schenn?

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#56 Chris.
January 25 2011, 11:53AM
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@FastOil

My point is, Dale Tallon got Sharp for virtually nothing from a Flyer team that was already deep at the center position. I mean Matt Ellison is a nobody and will probably never have a real NHL career. It's a novel concept: but a smart GM can occasionally add to his team without giving up much in return. (The most recent example in Edmonton is Salo for Gilbert five years ago) If Oiler management truly wants to emmulate the Chicago model: Steve is going to have to deliver a player or two via trade without gutting the current lineup.

As for Penner and Hemsky: why create another hole in an already thin lineup without any guarantee the player(s) coming back will be a fit? It's counter-productive to address needs by creating needs. That said, obviously, if management can't get either player extended some sort of return will be required before they leave to free agency.

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#57 FastOil
January 25 2011, 12:46PM
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I agree, good lower level trades are key, and if Sather was good at anything he was at that, always able to bring in someone who could contribute to the team and augment the core.

You're right that he shouldn't gut the team. I still wouldn't be against trading one of Penner or Hemsky for a lottery pick, this year or next. If one looked hesitant to sign (which we can't really know) of course, but even if they would both stay, a winger rich team without a franchise C or D likely gets better overall by trading one - 2 top 5 picks means we draft quality at both needed positions, or we trade for one and use our top 2 pick to get the other.

Penner & Hemsky having a year more in their contracts (which are reasonable for what they bring) I think makes them more valuable this year than next. The team they go to has a better chance to resign them after they've settled in to a new team, and evaluate them.

In three years having key players in three core positions is better than in two. The luxury (and pain) of getting our own lottery picks could be gone as soon as next year - make hay while the sun shines.

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#58 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 25 2011, 12:53PM
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Chris. wrote:

My point is, Dale Tallon got Sharp for virtually nothing from a Flyer team that was already deep at the center position. I mean Matt Ellison is a nobody and will probably never have a real NHL career. It's a novel concept: but a smart GM can occasionally add to his team without giving up much in return. (The most recent example in Edmonton is Salo for Gilbert five years ago) If Oiler management truly wants to emmulate the Chicago model: Steve is going to have to deliver a player or two via trade without gutting the current lineup.

As for Penner and Hemsky: why create another hole in an already thin lineup without any guarantee the player(s) coming back will be a fit? It's counter-productive to address needs by creating needs. That said, obviously, if management can't get either player extended some sort of return will be required before they leave to free agency.

To be fair Sharp was a 24 year old borderline NHL'er when the trade went down and really didn't develop into a real solid NHL'er until his 3rd year with the Hawks.

I agree though, a smart trade or two needs to be made fairly soon.

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#59 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
January 25 2011, 12:55PM
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FastOil wrote:

I agree, good lower level trades are key, and if Sather was good at anything he was at that, always able to bring in someone who could contribute to the team and augment the core.

You're right that he shouldn't gut the team. I still wouldn't be against trading one of Penner or Hemsky for a lottery pick, this year or next. If one looked hesitant to sign (which we can't really know) of course, but even if they would both stay, a winger rich team without a franchise C or D likely gets better overall by trading one - 2 top 5 picks means we draft quality at both needed positions, or we trade for one and use our top 2 pick to get the other.

Penner & Hemsky having a year more in their contracts (which are reasonable for what they bring) I think makes them more valuable this year than next. The team they go to has a better chance to resign them after they've settled in to a new team, and evaluate them.

In three years having key players in three core positions is better than in two. The luxury (and pain) of getting our own lottery picks could be gone as soon as next year - make hay while the sun shines.

Lets get real, theirs no way we get a lotto pick for either Hemmer or Penner.

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#60 Chris.
January 25 2011, 01:52PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

To be fair Sharp was a 24 year old borderline NHL'er when the trade went down and really didn't develop into a real solid NHL'er until his 3rd year with the Hawks.

I agree though, a smart trade or two needs to be made fairly soon.

Solid pro scouting.

Not the MAB for Grebeshkov, or Torres for Brule kinda pro scouting...

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#61 VMR
January 25 2011, 02:24PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Lets get real, theirs no way we get a lotto pick for either Hemmer or Penner.

The only one that could be possible would be Toronto's pick (if they climbed high enough so it was unlikely to be the #1 pick) if Boston thought we had something that might give them a chance to win it all this year. Not sure that Hemsky or Penner are enough to get that done.

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#62 joey
January 25 2011, 03:26PM
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Hanzal is a second. A 6'5 center .

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