AT RANDOM: STORTINI GETS RYPED

Robin Brownlee
January 28 2011 12:08AM

I've got to admit I was a surprised by the venom spewed in the direction of Zack Stortini on blogs and call-in shows in the wake of his fight with Krys Barch in Dallas Wednesday.

I'm not sure what Stortini was thinking in his bout against Barch -- I'll ask him after the all-star break -- but it looked to me like he was trying to imitate the kind of defensive posture that Rick Rypien of the Vancouver Canucks used so effectively against him.

Whatever Stortini's reasoning, it didn't work. He got mocked by Barch after the fight, laughed at by a couple of Dallas players, according to what I've been told, and righteously ripped by Oilers fans, who seem to be focusing a lot of pent-up frustration in the direction of No. 46.

There's no question Stortini embarrassed himself with the peek-a-boo tactics he tried against Barch -- I'm guessing he'd like a do-over -- but I'm still surprised by the pointed criticism he took in the aftermath.

I won't go on about what a tough job Stortini and other enforcers have again because he is being paid good money to do a job, and I'm not going to scold our readers for venting, but let's not lose perspective. He lost a fight and looked bad doing it.

What I'm wondering is if he's lost coach Tom Renney.

DOES STORTINI FIT?

I believe Stortini can be a useful fourth-line player on this team, but what I think doesn't matter spit. What matters is what Renney believes and I wonder what was going through his mind on the flight home from Dallas.

My perception, given how many times Stortini has been a healthy scratch this season, is that he was already on thin ice with Renney. I don't know that, but I think it. Could Wednesday have provided Renney with a mental "last straw" as it regards Stortini's usefulness to the Oilers?

As much as I think toughness is an important element in the line-up of a team, particularly one with as many young, smallish players as the Oilers have, I have my doubts there's a need (not to mention room on the roster) for Stortini, J.F. Jacques and Steve MacIntyre.

I'd still keep Stortini over Jacques and run him in tandem with MacIntyre, but that's just me. Again, what matters is Renney's vision, not mine. I can tell you that Jacques has some backers in hockey ops and, to be fair, he seems to have been coming on of late. Simply put, Stortini couldn't have trotted out his failed Rypien imitation at a worse time.

WHERE HE BELONGS

I'm not sure what prompted Jonathan Willis to re-state his position the Oilers and Magnus Paajarvi would have been better served by having him serve another year in the minors or the SEL, but it's a position that makes no sense to me, given what I'm seeing from Paajarvi.

Willis is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I'm suspicious of a premise that hinges on the pitfalls of "burning" a year of an entry level deal when we don't know with any certainty whatsoever what this team and the salary cap will look like a full two seasons from now.

I get the theory, but I feel the same way about this approach as I did when it was applied to Taylor Hall. "Sorry kid. We think you're ready to play in the NHL, but you're going to the minors because there's a bigger picture to consider." Want to guarantee a kid and his agent start eye-balling the door as soon as they get a chance? This is the way.

Unless my eyes are failing me, Paajarvi has overcome a so-so start and has been coming on. I've liked his game a lot of late, and that tells me he is settling in with new teammates and a new city. That's a step he has to make. Isn't that what development is about?

Even with limited ice time and very little time on the power play, Paajarvi is on pace for 30-32 points. Fifteen of his 19 points have come at even strength. Certainly, there's room to grow, but Paajarvi doesn't look out of place to me.

THE WAY I SEE IT

-- I think Ryan Jones has been a pleasant surprise, but I'd like to see him spend more time crashing and banging and less time casting the stink eye at referees when somebody knocks him on his ass and he doesn't get the penalty call he things he deserves. Jones spends too much time for my liking casting longing glances at the referees when somebody starches him. It seems to happen at least once game. Stop begging. Pick yourself up and go back at somebody.

-- I'm assuming Jordan Eberle, Ales Hemsky and Gilbert Brule will be ready to play after the all-star break. Eberle and Hemsky are no-brainers when it comes to dressing if they're ready to go. Brule? Not so much.

-- Memo to Renney: More Devan Dubnyk, Linus Omark and Jeff Petry in the final 33 games. Less Nikolai Khabibulin in goal and Ladislav Smid on the second-unit power play.

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#51 Cosmo
January 28 2011, 10:58AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Robin,

Great points.

But why must you mention Eklund...at all..ever...

There should be a 1$ fine every time we mention Eklund - with proceeds going to charity.

I'm in for $2.

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#52 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 28 2011, 11:02AM
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My biggest issue with that scrap is how does Vandermeer have no problems with Barch and then Stortini who gets Barch later in the game ends up looking like a clown?

Simply a joke that fight was.

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#53 Adam D
January 28 2011, 11:02AM
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Stortini outscores the opposition when given the chance. SMac and JFJ do not. End of story.

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#54 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 28 2011, 11:06AM
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Adam D wrote:

Stortini outscores the opposition when given the chance. SMac and JFJ do not. End of story.

That's all fine and dandy, but none of those guys are expected to score.

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#55 Scott in Grande Prairie
January 28 2011, 11:10AM
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Yikes.

Kelly Buchberger is lucky there wasn't an Oilers Nation website 15 or 18 years ago.

All of the supposed fighting experts would have had a field day with Bucky. I'm pretty sure his career win-loss fighting record was pretty bad and many would be suggesting he punched above his weight division way too many times and got punished for it.

But he answered the bell. That's why we respect Bucky.

That's kinda what it's all about, guys. Answering the bell. Stortini answers the bell, most of the time (I would suggest to you that the only time that he doesn't is when his coach yanks that short leash he seems to be hooked on).

But I'm not sure if I'm qualified to determine whether or not Stortini should have done this-or-that during the fight. Instead, I'll just tip my hat to him for daring to jump in. Just like I tipped my hat to Bucky back in the day - when we all knew he was gonna lose.

And let's not give too much credibility to Krys Barch. If you ask some of the real fighting experts, he's the guy you should be criticizing, not Zach.

Chances are, if Donald S. Cherry mentions this fight on Coach's Corner Saturday night, the first thing he'll do is Barch for taunting Stortini. That's a MAJOR breach of the fighting code.

But showing up to fight, no matter how you well you fight, is the code.

Thank you Bucky and thank you Storts.

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#56 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
January 28 2011, 11:11AM
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I'm assuming Jordan Eberle, Ales Hemsky and Gilbert Brule will be ready to play after the all-star break. Eberle and Hemsky are no-brainers when it comes to dressing if they're ready to go. Brule? Not so much.

I have to disagree to a certain extent. If Brule is no longer in your plans you should at least be playing him up until the trade deadline. Benching a guy with a 1.85mil contract for next year doesn't do the player or the team any good.

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#57 Dominoiler
January 28 2011, 11:16AM
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Storts has 4a's and is a -2, in 32 games.. that isnt much of an outscorer..

My biggest beef about that fight is that he didnt even throw a single punch.. I used to have a soft spot for huggybear when he was the only one to take lumps from the guys that were much better.. sure, protect yourself - get creamed, but at least he answered the bell.. but, come now, if your M.O. is to be an (outscorer) enforcer type then you got to be able to chuck the knuckles.. at least decently...

When do we see that from stortini?!..

It was an embarrassing fight.. if this team had a decent option for that middle / heavy weight role, then stortini would be in the minors...

Bahhh!! he has had years to develop,.. no more excuses for a showing like that...

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#58 South of Cowtown
January 28 2011, 11:17AM
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Zach is a better skater / checker than Smackintyre, but, Steve is a true heavyweight. He should be dressed for a game like Dallas, when you have guys like Ott and Barch running around. When any of the tougher guys score, bonus. But, let's not think that's what they are here for.

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#59 Quicksilver ballet
January 28 2011, 11:17AM
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Adam D wrote:

Stortini outscores the opposition when given the chance. SMac and JFJ do not. End of story.

This opposition you speak of, is it Jacques and MacIntyre you're referring to, thought they were on the same team. Zac racks em up to the tune of .017 pts per game during his NHL career, big numbers for a season combined i'm sure.

Who would you suggest the Oilers bring in to replace that offense once he's gone?

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#60 rindog
January 28 2011, 11:23AM
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Aleslav Smidsky wrote:

If Zack is getting laughed at while wearing an Oilers sweater, then the Oilers them selves are part of the joke. That includes his teammates on the bench. I wonder how it makes the rest of the Oilers players feel when they're sitting on the bench watching and listening to it. He is proving more and more useless as time goes on, enough is enough.

Willis' article and view on Paajarvi is as pointless as an Eklund, Dreger and/or Friedman trade insights.

I agree with this somewhat.

I couldn't help but feel what Zach's team mates thought and how they would react to his antics in that fight.

I understand you have stick up for your team mates and all that, but really what do you say when the other teams rip Stortini for his fight?

I am sure the players have a bit of a com[plex to begin with (being near the bottom of the NHL standings) and having to deal with an incident like this can't be good for morale???

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#61 db7db7db7
January 28 2011, 11:35AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

This opposition you speak of, is it Jacques and MacIntyre you're referring to, thought they were on the same team. Zac racks em up to the tune of .017 pts per game during his NHL career, big numbers for a season combined i'm sure.

Who would you suggest the Oilers bring in to replace that offense once he's gone?

See post 41

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#62 Scott in Grande Prairie
January 28 2011, 11:35AM
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What do you say when the other teams rip Stortini for his fight?

Well, see you next time. And say hello to Steve MacIntyre.

You're all missing the point, guys. Stortini's teammates, if they're decent teammates, will be greatful that he chose to fight - they won't be sitting there marking the fight on scorecards.

Stortini's "antics," if you wish to call them that, were to simply try something that he thought might either help him win the fight or keep him from getting pummelled. Nothing wrong with that and, like I say, Donald S. Cherry, if he chooses to focus in on the fight at all, won't be focusing in on that.

Zach Stortini did what hundreds of thousands of hockey players have done before him. He stepped in for his teammates and lost a fight. Nothing wrong or dishonourable with that.

Barch and his teammates are the ones in the bad - you don't taunt someone after a fight ... especially from the bench and especially if your name is Steve Ott.

No matter what, though: Steve Macintyre has to dress next time against Dallas (they play again, right?).

The real wrong will be if Renney doesn't dress Smacintyre for the next game. The code demands it because Dallas is in the wrong.

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#63 TonyT
January 28 2011, 11:40AM
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Comparing Stortini to Buchberger is quite the stretch. Buchberger, it can be agreed was not the most skilled player but he definitely had enough that his effort level yielded results, making him an NHL captain of two NHL franchises. No one is complaining about Stortini's effort, in fact if the rest of the team played with his heart we surely would have greater results, he is plain and simply not good enough to make a significant contribution on this team. How many of us have seen the film 'Rudy'? Great film, great story, do you want him on your team team?

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#64 Scott in Grande Prairie
January 28 2011, 11:48AM
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To clarify: I'm not comparing Bucky to Storts on hockey-playing ability.

Bucky was far more useful as a hockey player. Hands down. End of discussion. 'Nuff said.

But in the ugly, unforgiving game-within-the-game that is fighting, Bucky and Storts are not all that dissimilar. Both have/are sticking their noses into a lot of tussles they don't belong in.

And that's a pretty big thing, in my mind. It isn't a "part" of the fighter's code. It is the code.

All this dissection of whether Zach should have done this-or-that, or led with a jab or stuck his head here or there or hung on at this point or not-hung-on at that point are all armchair-quarterback stuff that I'm quite frankly not qualified to weigh in on.

All I know about fighting is what Grapes has said about it: the most important part is the gesture, not the outcome.

And all I'm saying is that, regardless of whether or not Storts is gonzo at the end of the season, or whether or not Renney likes him or not, as a fan, I appreciate the gesture of an overmatched fighter stepping up.

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#65 David S
January 28 2011, 11:54AM
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jeanshorts wrote:

Stortini should have used his FISTS more.

*I can't believe I actually just did that*

Also, I agree with literally everything you said. Is there any way you can get to the bottom of why Stortini has been on such a short leash, outside of the "crappy skater" thing Renney trotted out earlier?

I can't believe you just did that. Until just now you were my hero.

*Sobs quietly*

*Strikes JS from stalking list*

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#66 Mike Modano's Dog
January 28 2011, 11:57AM
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Stortini has to go.

I've had enough of his fights that aren't fights, but merely self-protection. That isn't fighting. I've played with Paxton Schulte, and that was a fighter. When he fought somebody it was with a purpose, and it changed the complexion of a game, 180 degrees.

I love S-Mac, but no matter who our heavyweight is we still need a new 'Kevin McClelland' role fighter as a middleweight/light heavyweight to accompany him.

Someone who can fight.

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#67 David S
January 28 2011, 11:57AM
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book¡e wrote:

I think that Storts is a useful 4th liner for reasons OTHER than fighting. I think he wants to be that player. I think Renney considers him a fighter and doesn't think he is a great fighter and thus - he sits, etc.

Sometimes coaches have a vision for a player that does not line up with the player (see MacT - Penner).

Good point there book¡e.

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#69 Quicksilver ballet
January 28 2011, 12:08PM
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db7db7db7 wrote:

See post 41

Man, not sure about that, 3.5'ish per for a bottom six forward for 2 more years. Having two or three years before we're competitive again i'd sit tight and grow our own. Only way i'm moving one of the big three is if it involves a lottery pick or Braydon Schenn. Unlike during the summer the Oilers are in the driver seat now for the next month.

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#70 BUCK75
January 28 2011, 12:14PM
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@Scott in Grande Prairie

I totally agree with your points. Those are the points I was trying to use when bringing up Bucky. He got beat up lots, but he was an effective player who filled a big role on every team he played on.

That said, Stortini gets beat up often, he always answers the bell for his teammates, much the same way Buchberger did. I just wish Zach was more like #16. I believe he has the same character & mindset as him, just not the same talent.

I would love to have a guy who's role was a 3rd or 4th line penalty killer, gets 20 points, sticks up for his teammates & doesn't win every fight. We just don't have that guy in Zach...

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#71 loilfan
January 28 2011, 12:20PM
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Having Smid on the powerplay made as much sense to me this year as it did last year when Calgary put Staois on their powerplay.

I'd almost argue that SMac and his hard slap shot (as noticed at the skills comp) would be more effective on the point on the PP.

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#72 rindog
January 28 2011, 12:29PM
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Scott in Grande Prairie wrote:

To clarify: I'm not comparing Bucky to Storts on hockey-playing ability.

Bucky was far more useful as a hockey player. Hands down. End of discussion. 'Nuff said.

But in the ugly, unforgiving game-within-the-game that is fighting, Bucky and Storts are not all that dissimilar. Both have/are sticking their noses into a lot of tussles they don't belong in.

And that's a pretty big thing, in my mind. It isn't a "part" of the fighter's code. It is the code.

All this dissection of whether Zach should have done this-or-that, or led with a jab or stuck his head here or there or hung on at this point or not-hung-on at that point are all armchair-quarterback stuff that I'm quite frankly not qualified to weigh in on.

All I know about fighting is what Grapes has said about it: the most important part is the gesture, not the outcome.

And all I'm saying is that, regardless of whether or not Storts is gonzo at the end of the season, or whether or not Renney likes him or not, as a fan, I appreciate the gesture of an overmatched fighter stepping up.

I tend to disagree.

While it is admirable that Stortini may choose to "stick-up" for his team mates (I dont see it that way), it can backfire quite easily.

To me, nothing is accomplished by simply dropping the gloves and showing up. As with everything athletes do - they should do it with a purpose.

I just picture Stortini's team mates hiding their faces as he was fighting Barch.

As far as overmatched fighter...

Stortini is bigger than Barch. He shouldn't be overmatched (other than the fact that Stortini is not a goof fighter). And furthermore, Zach had a chance to square off with Barch but chose the wait and try to quickly gain the upperhand tactic.

All in all, it was another example of why Zach's days are numbered...

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#73 Bucknuck
January 28 2011, 12:44PM
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Scott in Grande Prairie wrote:

Yikes.

Kelly Buchberger is lucky there wasn't an Oilers Nation website 15 or 18 years ago.

All of the supposed fighting experts would have had a field day with Bucky. I'm pretty sure his career win-loss fighting record was pretty bad and many would be suggesting he punched above his weight division way too many times and got punished for it.

But he answered the bell. That's why we respect Bucky.

That's kinda what it's all about, guys. Answering the bell. Stortini answers the bell, most of the time (I would suggest to you that the only time that he doesn't is when his coach yanks that short leash he seems to be hooked on).

But I'm not sure if I'm qualified to determine whether or not Stortini should have done this-or-that during the fight. Instead, I'll just tip my hat to him for daring to jump in. Just like I tipped my hat to Bucky back in the day - when we all knew he was gonna lose.

And let's not give too much credibility to Krys Barch. If you ask some of the real fighting experts, he's the guy you should be criticizing, not Zach.

Chances are, if Donald S. Cherry mentions this fight on Coach's Corner Saturday night, the first thing he'll do is Barch for taunting Stortini. That's a MAJOR breach of the fighting code.

But showing up to fight, no matter how you well you fight, is the code.

Thank you Bucky and thank you Storts.

Nicely stated.

I still remember watching a game where Buchberger took on Probert and lost bad. He looked like a bobble head getting poked repeatedly and his head kept snapping back just in time for the next punch.

In an interview following the game I remember bucky saying "I hope I hurt his hand" or something like that. I laughed a lot, and Bucky became my favourite Oiler that night. He was ALL heart.

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#74 TonyT
January 28 2011, 01:30PM
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Never been to 'hockeyfights.com' before, but I wanted to make sure I was giving Stortini a fair shake. On the aforementioned website there is a list of Stortini's fights broken down by season and voted on by site members. Stortini is listed at 6'4", 220 lbs., he has fought 8 times this year and they have went like this: vs. Jamal Mayers 6'2" 205 lbs. DRAW vs. John Scott 6'8" 255 lbs. LOSS vs. David Clarkson 6'1" 206 lbs. LOSS vs. Brandon Prust 6'0" 195 lbs. WIN vs. Colton Orr 6'3" 222 lbs. LOSS vs. Tom Sestito 6'4" 190 lbs. DRAW vs. Brent Burns 6'4" 207 lbs. DRAW vs. Krys Barch 6'2" 200 lbs. LOSS What sticks out to me is not necessarily his ONE win, but that he only has one win against largely smaller opponents. The question then becomes not is he willing but is he able? As an effective enforcer/tough guy, I just don't believe him capable (at least at this time).

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#75 Dave
January 28 2011, 01:30PM
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Has anyone considered that Storts was injured, and perhaps thats why his playing time was down. It would make sense to me that his hand/wrist is injured.

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#76 Clyde Frog
January 28 2011, 01:44PM
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I like Stortini on my fourth line, I just wish he wouldn't answer the bell. I would be a lot more happy if after leveling a hit he just taps his nose and points to big Mac.

As a light heavey weight I am not a fan of his. Don't get me wrong, he is an incredibly tough guy and I'm sure not 1 in 1000 of the fans jumping all over him would dream of dropping the gloves with him... But in the NHL he isn't winning enough to have a reputation that means anything.

As a pest though a true died in the wool won't give anyone the satisfaction style pest, he could have a niche. Especially with Big Mac answering the bell on his behalf.

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#77 A Sad Panda
January 28 2011, 01:54PM
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lateralus wrote:

As disappointing Stortini's fight was I actually more disappointed in that Peckham fight. We know he can fight and his opponent isn't very tough at all. Send a message, hey you can laugh at our 'tough' guy but how about you laugh at Neal and his two swollen eyes? eh eh?

They get a PP and actually scored on said PP from that tho.

Ripping on peckham isn't really fair as neal didn't take his visor off which means it's almost impossible to totally connect with his face and there is a real good chance you'll mess your hand up on it.

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#78 db7db7db7
January 28 2011, 02:07PM
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@Robin Brownlee

That's why I said in Post 41 that we should try to get Clowe for Hemsky. Money is a wash. Points production is slightly less per game, but he is much more durable. The Sharks can afford to take on a smallish forward in exchange for a few more points because they are huge throughout. We on the other hand are in desperate need of size and toughness around the kids. We wouldn't need to use up a roster spot with tools if Clowe was playing next to Hall and Ebs. Guys like Clowe are exactly what the Oil are going to need when they make the playoffs.

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#79 Dan the Man
January 28 2011, 02:12PM
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Dave wrote:

Has anyone considered that Storts was injured, and perhaps thats why his playing time was down. It would make sense to me that his hand/wrist is injured.

He looked like he was injured in that fight. It almost looked a couple of times like he was trying to throw elbows at Barch.

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#80 Dan the Man
January 28 2011, 02:13PM
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Dave wrote:

Has anyone considered that Storts was injured, and perhaps thats why his playing time was down. It would make sense to me that his hand/wrist is injured.

Double post

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#81 Crash
January 28 2011, 02:26PM
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Scott in Grande Prairie wrote:

What do you say when the other teams rip Stortini for his fight?

Well, see you next time. And say hello to Steve MacIntyre.

You're all missing the point, guys. Stortini's teammates, if they're decent teammates, will be greatful that he chose to fight - they won't be sitting there marking the fight on scorecards.

Stortini's "antics," if you wish to call them that, were to simply try something that he thought might either help him win the fight or keep him from getting pummelled. Nothing wrong with that and, like I say, Donald S. Cherry, if he chooses to focus in on the fight at all, won't be focusing in on that.

Zach Stortini did what hundreds of thousands of hockey players have done before him. He stepped in for his teammates and lost a fight. Nothing wrong or dishonourable with that.

Barch and his teammates are the ones in the bad - you don't taunt someone after a fight ... especially from the bench and especially if your name is Steve Ott.

No matter what, though: Steve Macintyre has to dress next time against Dallas (they play again, right?).

The real wrong will be if Renney doesn't dress Smacintyre for the next game. The code demands it because Dallas is in the wrong.

With all due respect Scott, I think you're missing the point that at least some of us are saying....with Bucky back in the day he was a useful player, no matter how many times he lost a fight, he still played a regular shift and was a valuable member of the team, killing penatlies or even moving up onto a higher line if need be, similar to Ryan Jones.

This Oilers team is getting its show run on a regular basis, it also never initiates the physical game and trys to run another teams show. This team needs some guys that can answer the bell when the other team starts to try to run their show, this team needs to have some guys that can initiate physical play and take it to the other team. This team needs to make Rexall place a rink that other teams dread coming into.

I'm sorry, no matter how much anyone loves Stortini cuz he's a great guy, which he is, the fact is he brings next to nothing that would add to winning ways. His skating is weak, he doesn't produce goals or assists, he doesn't pound the other team with body checks, he doesn't scare anybody or intimidate, he doesn't win a fight to pick up the team and add momentum regularly, and now with losing badly and being embarrassed against a guy who is so much smaller than him it's, well, it's just plain demoralizing to watch as a fan. And no one can tell me that it's not demoralizing for the bench to watch continually, no matter what they say to the public. Did you see the Calgary bench after SMAC laid out Ivanans? They were sunk, there were no banging sticks on the boards, no nothing, it demoralized them. With Stortini it's one let down after another in that department.

I'm also not saying it's just Stortini, it's the whole 4th line, Stortini, JFJ and Fraser need to be replaced, with some nasty, with some push back, with some initiate.

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#82 Heavyd
January 28 2011, 02:41PM
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Are the Oilers sending someone else to replace Hemsky?

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#83 Aleslav Smidsky
January 28 2011, 02:45PM
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Here is a thought.

If the guy you are replying to wrote more than 5 paragraphs or a story, dont quote him. Just reply to him, I'm sure he will know what you're talking about.

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#84 Milli
January 28 2011, 02:51PM
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My old roomie loved Bucky, he was his favorite player! That guy, whatever he lacked in skill, he made up for in pure effort!

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#85 Aleslav Smidsky
January 28 2011, 02:55PM
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@Milli

My biggest memory of Bucky is, the time he got his @$$ beat behind the net by Anson Carter. I felt so bad for him.

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#86 rindog
January 28 2011, 03:14PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Double post

If he had an injury that prevented him from fighting - he should have never been in the line-up.

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#87 Hemmertime
January 28 2011, 03:16PM
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Heavyd wrote:

Are the Oilers sending someone else to replace Hemsky?

No, a PHX player was chosen to replace him

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#88 Word
January 28 2011, 03:20PM
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If nothing else, you can say that by fighting (and losing to) Barch, Stortini was able to get Barch off the ice for 5 minutes to stop him from running people.

Maybe that should be the new Oiler technique? Consistently have a guy who doesn't offer much go out there and sacrifice his face for 5 minutes of peace and quiet for the skill guys.

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#89 Word
January 28 2011, 03:22PM
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In fact, I want to add to that. We should have Stortini and Jacques go out and fight the difference makers on every team, at least twice each. Making PIM trades, cause Tambo won't make real trades.

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#90 Dan the Man
January 28 2011, 03:37PM
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rindog wrote:

If he had an injury that prevented him from fighting - he should have never been in the line-up.

Yeah totally agree with you there..or at the very least he should have declined the fight.

Most fighters would understand that if you have a banged up hand you can't fight.

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#91 David S
January 28 2011, 03:45PM
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Yeah totally agree with you there..or at the very least he should have declined the fight.

Most fighters would understand that if you have a banged up hand you can't fight.

I dunno. If you read the posts above, it would seem he didn't have a choice from either a fan's or Renney's point of view. I bet Zack knows he's on the outside looking in so opting out wasn't an option from his point of view. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if he was protecting an injury, although he'd never tell you. He got smashed pretty good a few games ago on the side of the face he seemed to be protecting.

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#92 victorious secret
January 28 2011, 04:00PM
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@ Crash x2 Also, for those claiming that "good teammates" love it when Storts stands in there for a pummeling, you are probably right. However, respecting a guy for getting his lunch handed to him on a repeated basis, and being inspired by that same act are two entirely different ideas. It is very, very difficult to get motivated when your "tough guy" gets man-handled almost every fight.

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#93 Rob...
January 28 2011, 04:06PM
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Anyone comparing Buchburger to Stortini because both were outclassed in fights, please pull up a few Kelly's fights. He didn't turtle, he didn't turn away, and he threw punches with the intent of doing to the other guy what was being done to him.

When Kelly fought, win or lose, I can't imagine his opponent having anything but respect for him. Can you say that about Stortini?

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#94 Ales Hallsky
January 28 2011, 04:09PM
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@victorious secret

Not to mention the fact that the reason they appreciate it is because they are glad they dont have to get the beat down.

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#95 Ales Hallsky
January 28 2011, 04:09PM
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@victorious secret

Not to mention the fact that the reason they appreciate it is because they are glad they dont have to get the beat down.

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#96 just wondering
January 28 2011, 04:58PM
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No one in the league is afraid of Stortini, dump him and go after Glencross in the off season. Mac doesn't even have to go on the ice to make a difference. Here's to hoping Stortini has put on an Oiler uniform for the last time.

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#97 Dennis
January 28 2011, 05:00PM
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22`s had a goal and two other legit scoring chances in the last two games so I doubt he`s going anywhere.

Gregor seems to have some sources and he teased a minor trade the other day so I`d say 46`s out the door.

Not sure why Renney soured on him but every coach has their pets and their whipping posts.

I`d say 67 gets a showcase in the top nine when he`s healthy and then he`s shipped out the door shortly after.

33 for that matter as well because for all the gasbaggery of Renney - who`s got a lot of it in him, BTW - regarding 33 and how `this man has to play.`GP means more than talk and he`s just not racking up the numbers.

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#98 Mitch
January 28 2011, 05:36PM
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@Brownlee

What bothers me with Zach and many other oilers is we have many guys that got 3-5yrs experience in this leauge and they don't have any gamesmanship. Many players on this roster don't understand thier role, Mac, Hall, Hemsky, Horcoff, Whitney, Peckham, Eberle and Penner understand what thier job is, it could be argued forever and then some what is the role of the other roster players? So we have 8 guys on a 21 man roster that understand what thier job is? Goalies are no brainers. I maybe missing 2 or 3 players, but when only half the roster has a true defined role and understands what it takes to win on a daily basis, we should expect some brutal performances because of the 8 players to have a defined role it should be expected that at least 2 will be having a off game.

Try Hall and Paajarvi on the pk, there is 30 games to try differnt stuff.

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#99 Clint
January 28 2011, 07:52PM
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Robin, just want to say great post and I really enjoy the perspective and insider type insight that you provide. As a new fan to the game I really love reading stuff like this--and I think you have a pretty good idea of what is going on in the head of those in the front office and staff. Even if it is a guess.

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#100 Oilcruzer
January 28 2011, 08:08PM
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Comparison to Buchberger??? That's Blasphemy.

Bucky had a keen sense for his role. His timing was perfect. He was the example for the others to build off.

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