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Lowetide
October 19 2011 07:41AM

It looks like the Oilers will be sending a defenseman to OKC sometime this week. Ryan Whitney played more than expected last night, Potter is emerging as a legit top 6 option and the blue has worn better than expected through the early stages of the season. Which defender should be sent down?
 

Jeff Petry is the obvious candidate--he won't have to clear waivers--and in light of the Detroit articles I've recently posted it would seem he would be the best choice. Advanced stats tells us that he's playing 2nd pairing competition 5x5,  he has a CorsiRel that ranks him ahead of Cameron Barker and an offenzive zone start of 52% (second easiest on the team to Barker).

I still wouldn't send him back. Reason? He's about to turn 24 years old (that's mature for a player just past his 35th NHL game and a future) and there's no real reason to send him away. The advanced stats quoted from our friend Gabe Desjardins at behindthenet.ca are from a small sample size and don't really give a clear picture of the player.

Here's a look at Petry's NHL numbers from last season:

Jeff Petry 10-11

  • 5x5 points per 60: 0.21 (8th among Oil D)
  • 5x4 points per 60: 1.67 (5th among Oil D)
  • Qual Comp: 5th toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 7th best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: 2.0 (tied for 4th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 49.1% (3rd toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 50.5% (5th best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 41 shots/1 goal 2.4% (7th among Oil D) 
  • Boxcars: 35gp, 1-4-5 
  • Plus Minus: -12 on a team that was -52

If you're looking down the road a little, Petry's a player the Oilers need to develop and he's had plenty of time below the NHL to mature. 103 USHL games, 118 in the NCAA, 49 in the AHL and now 38 in the show. A RH setup of Gilbert, Potter and Petry looks pretty good from here, giving the club a chance to ice three guys capable of playing the right side without getting in there own way.

Who goes?

They could risk waivers on Teddy Peckman (he's been poor) but that seems unlikely. I've wondered about his health (when NHL players have their performance fall off this badly it's often injury) but that doesn't appear to be an issue. The other option is Barker, a man who is slower than we might have thought from a distance.

No really. Who goes?

Petry. It's a damn shame, he deserves to stay on age, experience and merit. But there you go. There's an outside chance they flush a forward like Lander, but that just prolongs the inevitable (Gagner's coming back too).

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#1 Woody
October 19 2011, 08:34AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

I have a hunch, a gut feeling, that RNH is sent back to Red Deer, even though he has produced points, and Lander stays once Gagner is back. RNH has the vision, the speed, the smarts and the hands to play in the NHL but I don't think he is physically strong enough to handle 82 games in the NHL at this age, he seemed to get pushed around last night and will wear down. He is big enough, but size is not an indication of strength and I think they handle him the same way they did Eberle.

I think the Oilers centres will be Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger and Lander. As far as defence, the backend hasn't been bad and I would give Petry more games as long as he can handle it while Peckham is struggling.

With all due respect Bob Cob I think the odds of RNH taking a cab back to Red Deer are like that of a purple unicorn galloping out of my posterior to deliver you a slap chop and the hope diamond.

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#2 book¡e
October 19 2011, 11:30AM
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I wouldn't bother sending anyone down, any minute now we will get a press release that Whitney stepped on a penny which resulted in a major injury which will require surgery. The injury will be unrelated to his previous foot problems.

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#3 David S
October 19 2011, 05:23PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Ryan Johansen has played in 3 games and only about 8 minutes a night. Are the Jackets going to be sending him back to Portland again after 9 games?

6'3" and 200lbs, maybe Howson could be tempted now by offering 83 and 5 for their first rounder from 2 yrs ago. Hemsky should be ready to go again in another week.

I'm starting to wonder if you'd only ever be happy icing a lineup comprised entirely of rookies, castaways and prospects just to enjoy mindless debates about who the Oilers should pick with the #1 draft choice. Year. After. Year.

Gotta give a guy credit though. You've totally bought into the whole "rebuild" storyline. However you might want to remember that sooner or later fans will figure it out and winning might just become important to them again.

Just sayin'.

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#4 Wanyes bastard child
October 19 2011, 09:10PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

The Capitals hauled in 7 first rounders in only a 3 yrs span which netted them Ovechkin and company.

The impossible is easy, it's those miracles that'll kill you.

He said lotto pics, not first rounders.

In order to get 6 lotto pics, being the suckiest of sucky teams the last few years running we would have had to give up any and all quality players that we have in order to reach your pipe dream.

Then we could begin the "infinibuild" that you preach for. Nothing but kids to run around with no vets or leadership to show them the way.

Your dream has an optimistic look to it but the reality to it is way to costly and would put us even further behind so im going to say "No thank you"

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#5 Matt Henderson
October 19 2011, 07:52AM
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I think it has to be Petry. In and out of the lineup or playing every game in the AHL? I think he's here to stay next year, especially if the Oil choose not to revisit the Barker experiment.

Plus there will be more injuries. That is certain. He'll be back.

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#6 gord962
October 19 2011, 08:50AM
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If Chorney was gobbled up off waivers there is no way that Theo clears. It has to be Petry as there is no point having him in the pressbox when he could be playing 25+ minutes on the depleted OKC team.

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#7 Ducey
October 19 2011, 09:25AM
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LT, lots of stats there but you forgot to look at TOI.

Petry is getting 18.61 min/60 in the NHL so far (5th among Oilers D). He could be playing 25 minutes a night in OKL. Unless he has nothing left to prove in the AHL (which is not the case) then he arguably would be better served in the longrun to spend more time on the farm.

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#8 Talbot17
October 19 2011, 09:27AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

Its not just from last night that I made that conclusion, of course they are going to give RNH as much time with Eberle and Hall, yes RNH has played well against the likes Weber and Suter and was great against the Canucks, yes its true none of the Oilers looked good last night because they tried to sit on the lead. I'm not saying he should go back to Jr.s, Im saying I have a feeling the Oilers are going to send him back to Red Deer because they don't NEED to rush him like they did with Hall and they can't send him to the minors like they can with Lander. I just don't think it's the worst thing for him or the organization if they send him back. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but the Oilers are thinking not only about this year but the future, it's what the Red Wings would do.

its not about "rushing" RNH, if he is playing efficiently, has good chemistry and is good on both sides of the ice, it clearly means he is NHL ready and thats build from his own work, not the oilers rushing him.

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#9 DimebagDave
October 19 2011, 11:05AM
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madjam wrote:

100% losses to our division rivalries is unacceptable . Giving away 20 games a year in this same old fashion has to end . No matter whom they put out against us we still lose in same fasion - it's not a jinx . They learn how to beat these clubs in exhibition season , only to abandon it and follow seasonal play to another loss time after time !!

We don't play kiddy bar the door like we do in regular season for starters - we are not a club built for that type of game to begin with . We go out to score just like in exhibition play where we most often win against our division rivals . Bag skate these guys every game they throw away in this same old redundant fashion for starters . They got to play to score and win , not play to protect a tie , etc.. You could tell from second period on we were playing to lose again , and of course we did . In future make them try to score more and at least we salvage some games . Coaches are not helping much by allowing team to try and play a kiddy bar the door type game . Hard work bag skate after every game they throw away in this same old manner might just break this losing habit !

Not sure if you noticed the amount of odd man rushes the Lames had last night but you don't give up odd man rushes by sitting back and protecting a lead. Pull your head out of your @ss and pay attention to the games instead of sitting there trying to manufacture something to complain about.

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#10 Talbot17
October 19 2011, 08:20AM
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Has to be Petry. They know they will be calling him up later in the season anyways

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#11 Dan the Man
October 19 2011, 08:27AM
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Someone will get injured anyways so Petry will be back soon enough.

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#12 Smokin Joe
October 19 2011, 08:38AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

I have a hunch, a gut feeling, that RNH is sent back to Red Deer, even though he has produced points, and Lander stays once Gagner is back. RNH has the vision, the speed, the smarts and the hands to play in the NHL but I don't think he is physically strong enough to handle 82 games in the NHL at this age, he seemed to get pushed around last night and will wear down. He is big enough, but size is not an indication of strength and I think they handle him the same way they did Eberle.

I think the Oilers centres will be Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger and Lander. As far as defence, the backend hasn't been bad and I would give Petry more games as long as he can handle it while Peckham is struggling.

Huh? Dippin into the sauce a little early dont you think?

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#13 Jimmeh
October 19 2011, 08:42AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

I have a hunch, a gut feeling, that RNH is sent back to Red Deer, even though he has produced points, and Lander stays once Gagner is back. RNH has the vision, the speed, the smarts and the hands to play in the NHL but I don't think he is physically strong enough to handle 82 games in the NHL at this age, he seemed to get pushed around last night and will wear down. He is big enough, but size is not an indication of strength and I think they handle him the same way they did Eberle.

I think the Oilers centres will be Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger and Lander. As far as defence, the backend hasn't been bad and I would give Petry more games as long as he can handle it while Peckham is struggling.

Yet he, along with Eberle and Hall, were making Weber and Suter, arguably the best defensive pairing in the NHL, look like chumps the previous night.

No forwards had a good game against Calgary, one bad game out of 5 doesn't scream back to junior for me.

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#14 gord962
October 19 2011, 08:44AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

I have a hunch, a gut feeling, that RNH is sent back to Red Deer, even though he has produced points, and Lander stays once Gagner is back. RNH has the vision, the speed, the smarts and the hands to play in the NHL but I don't think he is physically strong enough to handle 82 games in the NHL at this age, he seemed to get pushed around last night and will wear down. He is big enough, but size is not an indication of strength and I think they handle him the same way they did Eberle.

I think the Oilers centres will be Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger and Lander. As far as defence, the backend hasn't been bad and I would give Petry more games as long as he can handle it while Peckham is struggling.

Let me get this straight - we are going to send away our leading scorer to Juniors? :S

RNH is one of the very few Oilers putting the puck in the net and the chemistry with Hall and Ebs is undeniable. RNH isn't going anywhere. Well, maybe to faceoff school on the off days but certainly not back to Juniors. He has more than proven he is ready for the show.

All the Oilers looked horrible in the 3rd period last night in their 3rd game in 4 days.

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#15 Bob Cobb
October 19 2011, 09:08AM
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Its not just from last night that I made that conclusion, of course they are going to give RNH as much time with Eberle and Hall, yes RNH has played well against the likes Weber and Suter and was great against the Canucks, yes its true none of the Oilers looked good last night because they tried to sit on the lead. I'm not saying he should go back to Jr.s, Im saying I have a feeling the Oilers are going to send him back to Red Deer because they don't NEED to rush him like they did with Hall and they can't send him to the minors like they can with Lander. I just don't think it's the worst thing for him or the organization if they send him back. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but the Oilers are thinking not only about this year but the future, it's what the Red Wings would do.

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#16 Smokey
October 19 2011, 09:16AM
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Mayorpoop, let me get this straight, you wanna give away Smid and Omark for a top 2-3 defenceman. Maybe a two. Smid got excellent value, cause right now he's a top shut down defenseman on the Oil. I think with his value contract, the Oil are wanting to keep this guy. If he continues to stop shots with his ass every game and shut down top scorers, I'm not sure the Oil wanna let him go. But saying that I really don't know what you package up to get a top 2 dman.

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#17 Peterborough
October 19 2011, 09:17AM
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madjam wrote:

100% losses to our division rivalries is unacceptable . Giving away 20 games a year in this same old fashion has to end . No matter whom they put out against us we still lose in same fasion - it's not a jinx . They learn how to beat these clubs in exhibition season , only to abandon it and follow seasonal play to another loss time after time !!

We don't play kiddy bar the door like we do in regular season for starters - we are not a club built for that type of game to begin with . We go out to score just like in exhibition play where we most often win against our division rivals . Bag skate these guys every game they throw away in this same old redundant fashion for starters . They got to play to score and win , not play to protect a tie , etc.. You could tell from second period on we were playing to lose again , and of course we did . In future make them try to score more and at least we salvage some games . Coaches are not helping much by allowing team to try and play a kiddy bar the door type game . Hard work bag skate after every game they throw away in this same old manner might just break this losing habit !

Dude chillax, seriously! Vancity is tough and we gave them a good run and Cowtown caught us tired, sick and undermaned. The Oil have been playing very well and its way, way too early for all this Chicken Little.

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#18 Peterborough
October 19 2011, 09:27AM
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This is our best option for asset management as well. Having additional bodies that are NHL ready is what good teams do.

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#19 hamzinoilcntry
October 19 2011, 09:30AM
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I think that the big problem with last nights game was fatigue on the part of our forwards. And maybe it's just me but Taylor Hall is what stirs the drink on the H2E line. They looked lost out there last night with Omark on the wing in Taylors spot. D has been a big surprise for me this year along with some solid penalty kill. I think a few more games of gelling for all the lines. Hall back in the lineup. Sam Ganger to help out defensively and Offensively and I think we take the season series this year from the shames!! and we will be a lot closer to splitting the year with the nocups as well!!

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#20 misfit
October 19 2011, 10:06AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

Its not just from last night that I made that conclusion, of course they are going to give RNH as much time with Eberle and Hall, yes RNH has played well against the likes Weber and Suter and was great against the Canucks, yes its true none of the Oilers looked good last night because they tried to sit on the lead. I'm not saying he should go back to Jr.s, Im saying I have a feeling the Oilers are going to send him back to Red Deer because they don't NEED to rush him like they did with Hall and they can't send him to the minors like they can with Lander. I just don't think it's the worst thing for him or the organization if they send him back. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but the Oilers are thinking not only about this year but the future, it's what the Red Wings would do.

The Oilers are not the Redwings, but the last time Detroit had a teenager like Nugent-Hopkins, he didn't spend another minute in junior.

I get that your stance is based on what you feel will happen rather than what you think should happen, but that doesn't mean there's any logical reason for it. It's like buying a lotto ticket because you have a feeling you'll win. It doesn't tilt the odds in your favor any, and the chances are still incredibly slim.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is; Your feeling is wrong.

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#21 Quicksilver ballet
October 19 2011, 10:57AM
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Hopefully that Harry Potter kid can weave some of his magic on the powerplay this season.

Renney should've moved Eager up with Hopkins and Eberle last night. Would've been good to have one member of that line running around clearing some ice. Probably would've won if he made this change.

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#22 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 19 2011, 11:14AM
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DimebagDave wrote:

Not sure if you noticed the amount of odd man rushes the Lames had last night but you don't give up odd man rushes by sitting back and protecting a lead. Pull your head out of your @ss and pay attention to the games instead of sitting there trying to manufacture something to complain about.

but that would go against the very fabric on which madjam and his monthly anal bead award function on.

~cant have that~

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#23 etownman
October 19 2011, 11:37AM
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This won't be a popular opinion but I would suggest Coach Renney got caught napping last night! How does Glencrotch get away with chasing his prized 18 yr. old star around the ice trying to intimidate him? Win a game, yes, but this is a long season & the Oilers have to show push back in some of those areas. Crotch cannot get away with that stuff & we had plenty of muscle on the bench to rectify that problem. Also, in the last minute how can you not know where the face off is going to be so you can have your goalie off the ice in plenty of time? Rehearsing the post game speech? Lot's of positives from that game but Renney's got to make better decisions.

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#24 S.Tambellini
October 19 2011, 11:50AM
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madjam wrote:

100% losses to our division rivalries is unacceptable . Giving away 20 games a year in this same old fashion has to end . No matter whom they put out against us we still lose in same fasion - it's not a jinx . They learn how to beat these clubs in exhibition season , only to abandon it and follow seasonal play to another loss time after time !!

We don't play kiddy bar the door like we do in regular season for starters - we are not a club built for that type of game to begin with . We go out to score just like in exhibition play where we most often win against our division rivals . Bag skate these guys every game they throw away in this same old redundant fashion for starters . They got to play to score and win , not play to protect a tie , etc.. You could tell from second period on we were playing to lose again , and of course we did . In future make them try to score more and at least we salvage some games . Coaches are not helping much by allowing team to try and play a kiddy bar the door type game . Hard work bag skate after every game they throw away in this same old manner might just break this losing habit !

It's "Katie, bar the door" or "Kitty, bar the door."

We aren't talking about some bar for toddlers.

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#25 SurfacetoAirMissile
October 19 2011, 12:49PM
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Can't blame the goalies thus far, the defence has been solid for the most part, The Oil seem to generate more scoring chances then last year but it is not showing up on the score sheet where it most counts. Not to oversimplify, but put more pucks in the net and The Oil will win more then they loose if the back end continues to perform solidly.

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#26 justDOit
October 19 2011, 01:22PM
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DAVE wrote:

To many men on the ice penalties, how many have their been called against the oilers? That in itself is a glaring indictment of the coaching. 4 in 5 games is more than a team should have in a entire season.

I think it's more of an indicator of a young team that was juggling lines like Charlie Sheen juggles hookers.

Better align your expectations with the reality of the team now, or you're in for a world of hurt in the 70-some games to come.

Edit: typo

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#27 JDP
October 19 2011, 02:11PM
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So I'm sitting there waiting for them to call me in for my wife's 5 month ultrasound(girl by the way.....hooray!)and guess whos sitting beside me.....jordan eberle. For starters I just want to say what a standup,classy guy he is. He signed the cd cover of my wife's ultrasound image. Nice meeting you Jordan. I hope that ankle injury is just minor. All the best buddy!

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#29 Quicksilver ballet
October 19 2011, 07:16PM
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David S wrote:

I'm starting to wonder if you'd only ever be happy icing a lineup comprised entirely of rookies, castaways and prospects just to enjoy mindless debates about who the Oilers should pick with the #1 draft choice. Year. After. Year.

Gotta give a guy credit though. You've totally bought into the whole "rebuild" storyline. However you might want to remember that sooner or later fans will figure it out and winning might just become important to them again.

Just sayin'.

Always felt the best way to rebuild is to go the 6 lotto picks in a four yr span route. Beg,borrow or steal (trade assets) to get those two extra selections. Here we are, two years into a rebuild and we're stalled at only two, huddled in the corner willing to build off the absolute minimum the Oilers are due for finishing so poorly. Management needs to get off their idle duffs and make their own luck/fortune, it isn't going to happen one boobie prize at a time.

If we agree on one thing now it must be that for the most part these first and second yr NHL'ers that are leading this hockey club now. Why the need to hang onto players that aren't part of the future here? They've held onto Hemsky too long, Whitney too long, as well as Gagner. These guys all have deminished/deminishing value to this hockey club. Why the need to hang onto them just so they can walk for reducing/limited returns.

The Oilers are going nowhere till these first/second yr kids lead then there, why hang onto these often injured veteran passengers. I woulda blowd the whole thing up in the summer of 2010 and 2011. You can find adaquate veterans easily (20,94,55,16 etc) when required.

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#30 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 19 2011, 07:32PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Always felt the best way to rebuild is to go the 6 lotto picks in a four yr span route. Beg,borrow or steal (trade assets) to get those two extra selections. Here we are, two years into a rebuild and we're stalled at only two, huddled in the corner willing to build off the absolute minimum the Oilers are due for finishing so poorly. Management needs to get off their idle duffs and make their own luck/fortune, it isn't going to happen one boobie prize at a time.

If we agree on one thing now it must be that for the most part these first and second yr NHL'ers that are leading this hockey club now. Why the need to hang onto players that aren't part of the future here? They've held onto Hemsky too long, Whitney too long, as well as Gagner. These guys all have deminished/deminishing value to this hockey club. Why the need to hang onto them just so they can walk for reducing/limited returns.

The Oilers are going nowhere till these first/second yr kids lead then there, why hang onto these often injured veteran passengers. I woulda blowd the whole thing up in the summer of 2010 and 2011. You can find adaquate veterans easily (20,94,55,16 etc) when required.

Has their ever been a team in history that had 6 lotto pics in a 4 year span?

I'm guessing no, so that probably tells us it isn't the best way to rebuild.

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#31 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 20 2011, 08:25AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

The Capitals hauled in 7 first rounders in only a 3 yrs span which netted them Ovechkin and company.

The impossible is easy, it's those miracles that'll kill you.

That's a big difference.

We've had 8 first round picks.

It's the lotto pics where you land the stars.

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#32 Lofty
October 19 2011, 08:19AM
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Really been impresed with Potters poise with the puck and his ability to get good solid shots on net from the point. I think his play is what the Oil were hoping to get from Barker. Big price difference though.

At least there wernt any new injuries from last night.

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#33 Kodiak
October 19 2011, 08:20AM
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I have been real impressed with Potter. He moves the puck well, has shown good poise and his positioning seems ok in the D zone. These are all things I expected from Petry this year that just haven't happened yet. Sending him down won't hurt him and as Arch said, there will be injuries and he will be able to come back up after gaining some confidance in OKC.

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#34 Bob Cobb
October 19 2011, 08:24AM
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I have a hunch, a gut feeling, that RNH is sent back to Red Deer, even though he has produced points, and Lander stays once Gagner is back. RNH has the vision, the speed, the smarts and the hands to play in the NHL but I don't think he is physically strong enough to handle 82 games in the NHL at this age, he seemed to get pushed around last night and will wear down. He is big enough, but size is not an indication of strength and I think they handle him the same way they did Eberle.

I think the Oilers centres will be Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger and Lander. As far as defence, the backend hasn't been bad and I would give Petry more games as long as he can handle it while Peckham is struggling.

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#35 dawgbone
October 19 2011, 08:32AM
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I think it will be Petry because he can clear waivers and that they don't want to risk putting someone on waivers until they know what they have.

Potter was signed (presumably) for the AHL and as depth and right now he's playing well enough to be a regular in the top 6. Will that hold up? Do you risk Peckham on waivers based on pre-season and 3 NHL games?

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#36 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
October 19 2011, 08:33AM
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Petry is gone and I think he deserves it, for reasons you've mentioned. They're not going to risk losing Peckman.

Potter is making this a nice problem to have. Hopefully he keeps it up, because last night he had a ton of poise with the puck.

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#37 knee deep in it
October 19 2011, 08:34AM
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Columbus needs a dman and could use a guy with Barker's skills. If we took back a contract and included a guy like Omark, how high of a draft pick could we get?

Next years' draft is said to be as good as 2003 and we should be trying to get more bullets for stu.

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#38 Talbot17
October 19 2011, 08:36AM
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@Bob Cobb

not sure if you watch the games, but Lander is almost invisible and RNH has been great defensively as well as providing offense... Hes young, he isnt going to 'wear down' after 82 games

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#39 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 19 2011, 08:36AM
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Petry will go. But it's a shame. However, I don't see any reason to rush him to full NHL duty.

I actually thought Barker looked ok last night. Whitney looked rusty, but not bad. Potter looked great. And, I thought Sutton looked quicker and more intense than his size suggests.

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#40 shanetrain
October 19 2011, 08:37AM
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Top 6?

Potter has shown top 4 potential so far! We automatically give Whitney a pass. Let's see what he can do from here on out. I am not sold on him.

No harm in sending Petry back. As long as he knows its for the short term because he will inevitably be back.

Frig I hate the fLAMES .. still choked this morning about it. My work production is going to suffer today.

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#41 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 19 2011, 08:40AM
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Speaking of RNH, did anyone see Morrison lunge on top of him last night at the end of a play? it was weird, I couldn't tell if they both fell or what.

I think the nuge stays unless he exposes a critical weakness. so far his size/strength hasn't been a problem except in the faceoff circle.

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#42 Closetgm
October 19 2011, 08:43AM
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Woody wrote:

With all due respect Bob Cob I think the odds of RNH taking a cab back to Red Deer are like that of a purple unicorn galloping out of my posterior to deliver you a slap chop and the hope diamond.

Well said

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#43 madjam
October 19 2011, 08:44AM
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100% losses to our division rivalries is unacceptable . Giving away 20 games a year in this same old fashion has to end . No matter whom they put out against us we still lose in same fasion - it's not a jinx . They learn how to beat these clubs in exhibition season , only to abandon it and follow seasonal play to another loss time after time !!

We don't play kiddy bar the door like we do in regular season for starters - we are not a club built for that type of game to begin with . We go out to score just like in exhibition play where we most often win against our division rivals . Bag skate these guys every game they throw away in this same old redundant fashion for starters . They got to play to score and win , not play to protect a tie , etc.. You could tell from second period on we were playing to lose again , and of course we did . In future make them try to score more and at least we salvage some games . Coaches are not helping much by allowing team to try and play a kiddy bar the door type game . Hard work bag skate after every game they throw away in this same old manner might just break this losing habit !

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#44 mayorpoop
October 19 2011, 09:00AM
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now very well be the chance to package up a middling defenceman (peckham, smid) + Omarch + prospect (plante?) for a more established #2-3 dman.

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#45 VATech
October 19 2011, 09:02AM
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I think Barker is doing fine, maybe a little slower than we wanted but not a huge liability. If that changes and he starts hurting us then I think it will be time to promote Petry full time to take his place IN the line-up.

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#46 Smokey
October 19 2011, 09:06AM
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BobCob is a secret Lames lover...

Petry doesn't deserve a demotion, but he is probably going to get it. I think the Oil are doing good things this year. When you think of it they almost won last night without three of their top forwards. And the number one defensemen was rusty as hell coming off an injury. You only have to look at the Habs to realize what happens when your missing your two best players and have other injury concerns as well. The Oil are doing well in spite of the early injury woes me thinks.

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#47 misfit
October 19 2011, 09:07AM
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If it was me, it would be Barker, but I get that it's just not going to happen. Petry already does what Barker was brought in to do better, and he can play the right side, which we need more than another LD.

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#48 FastOil
October 19 2011, 09:12AM
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RNH will stay because at some point this year we are likely going to lose forwards to trades. He can move to wing or someone else can. I am giving Tambellini the benefit of the doubt here, I guess hoping he isn't as unproductive as many of us fear.

I am sure the Oilers will make a pitch for one of Webber or Suter. As for Webber, while Detroit has been mentioned as the team to get him, the Oilers have a better 10 year outlook than they do, cap space, and Webber is from BC. Being close to home and family matters to some guys (partly why Hamhuis chose the Canucks), maybe he's the same. We can only hope.

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#49 mayorpoop
October 19 2011, 09:14AM
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Bob Cobb wrote:

Its not just from last night that I made that conclusion, of course they are going to give RNH as much time with Eberle and Hall, yes RNH has played well against the likes Weber and Suter and was great against the Canucks, yes its true none of the Oilers looked good last night because they tried to sit on the lead. I'm not saying he should go back to Jr.s, Im saying I have a feeling the Oilers are going to send him back to Red Deer because they don't NEED to rush him like they did with Hall and they can't send him to the minors like they can with Lander. I just don't think it's the worst thing for him or the organization if they send him back. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but the Oilers are thinking not only about this year but the future, it's what the Red Wings would do.

then the oilers have NO interest in icing the best possible team. that would be a shame.

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#50 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 19 2011, 09:16AM
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@FastOil

nabbing either of those guys would be huge!!

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