Running Their Show?

Lowetide
October 21 2011 07:46AM

One of the popular phrases in Oilerville is "getting their show run" in reference to the Oilers being unable to execute and match the physical play of their opposition. Is that a phrase we can apply to coach Tom Renney, too?  

So far this season, the Edmonton Oilers are Ryan Smyth's team again. #94 was flying (as he has all season) and his line was making good things happen. At the same time, the line of RNH-Hall-Eberle was playing a secondary role, and as the game wore on the gap in TOI became more severe. There are several possibilities for this action by the coach:

  • Renney was coaching to win.
  • Renney was using playing time as a teaching tool.
  • Renney was line matching and Minnesota was dictating the chord changes by pushing their top line out again and again.

All of those are good reasons for a coach to double shift his veterans, and we also have to add in Taylor Hall's recent flu and RNH's tentative play for (now) the last 2 games. However, that's the "saw him good" analysis; let's run a few numbers and see who is getting the results offensively (all numbers via behind the net.ca):

Ryan Smyth

  • EV TOI: 15.48
  • Qual Comp: 3rd toughest among forwards
  • CorsiRel: -12.7 (11th best among forwards)
  • EV points-per-60: 2.58 (2nd best among forwards)
  • Zone Start: 38.2% (3rd toughest among forwards)

This is a very strong line. The CorsiRel is negative, but good God man look at the situation: Smyth is starting in his own zone much of the time, playing the toughest available competition and posting an outstanding point-per-60 number. Ryan Smyth has turned back time (in the good way, not the Cher way) and is the best Oiler forward (in my opinion) early this season. Gabe Desjardins would want me to mention this is a very small sample size and we shouldn't read too much into the early returns.

Taylor Hall

  • EV TOI: 12.96
  • Qual Comp: 9th toughest among forwards
  • CorsiRel: 21.7 (2nd best number among forwards)
  • EV points-per-60: 0.93 (7th among forwards)
  • Zone Start: 62.5% (2nd easiest among forwards)

Again, this is a small sample size, but we do see that coach Renney is giving the kids all kinds of opportunity against the soft parade (when possible). Hall's CorsiRel is exceptional, but given the situation we can't give the kids too much credit for it. The results are better 5x5/60 points for the other two kids and Hall is clearly fighting it a little in the early going. 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

 

I think my first reaction ("Renney's getting his show run!") is not supported by the math. He's actually going out of his way to give the kid line a chance to impact offensively at evens and until last night aside the playing time was available in spades for the group. 

A few other things: Ryan Smyth is loaded for bear. His early season performance is running circles around his previous seasons and his 5x5/60 number is outstanding. I think we should alter our expectations of Smyth--he's clearly in great shape and a man on a mission--for this season. Expecting him to play a secondary or support role to Taylor Hall may not happen. This may end up being Ryan Smyth's team for the entire year, he's playing that well.

On the other hand, Taylor Hall and the kids should be fine--especially if they get these cherry minutes--but the early season struggles may continue and Sam Gagner's return to the lineup may impact Ryan Nugent-Hopkins status on the roster. Up until this week, I felt (and still feel) the Nuge belongs, but he played just 10:43 at evens last night and if he can't be among the top 6F options at even strength then sending him back is the better plan.

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#101 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 21 2011, 01:26PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Thing is that kid has played a big part in any success the team HAS experienced this season. So the prospect of sitting him down is mind numbing.

I don't know, RNH seems to be coming back to earth after a blazing start.

He's better then I expected at the NHL level, but I'm still sure he's going to have major swings in his game and that when it's all said and done he'll be in the 15-20G 40-50P range dispite looking like a PPG sniper to start the year.

Hall also seems a bit off to start the year compared to how he finished last year.

The kids are good now, and I'm sure they will be great down the road, however dispite the flashes of brilance they aren't significantly out producing the vets doing the heavy lifting with the gravy minutes they've been getting.

I'm sure they'll well get piles of PP time, but we should probably temper our expectations for their 5 vs 5 minutes and production.

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#102 Romanus
October 21 2011, 01:35PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I must be getting soft. Actually I'm hoping that they trade him, not move him to OKC.

His complete and utter lack of finish rivals only Horcoff on this team.*

*I think Horc is playing OK but I stand by my belief that he does not belong on the PP.

Only reason he is on the PP is to win the draw because RNH cant win one.

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#103 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2011, 01:41PM
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The Party Line sure seems to be taking more that their share of heat. Wasn't it 10,20 and 94 that was unable to deliver what needed to be done at the end, wasn't it a grizzled veteran that missed a wide open net in the shootout.

Is it more acceptable to have the vets blow it rather than all the players who'll still be here in two yrs. Could they have done any worse than the line that was out there?

Hang'em high.

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#104 rindog
October 21 2011, 01:43PM
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Bob Cob wrote:

They're not setting him up for failure, if they were he wouldn't be playing with Hall and Eberle. Renney is coaching to win and the last two games the only line that seemed to struggle was the Hall RNH and Eberle line and yes I am taking in to account that Hall didn't play in Calgary, in my opinion at least RNH has struggled and why waste a year of his contract. I guess this would be a point in the for category of allowing 18 year old's to play in the AHL against tougher opponents than in Jr with the ability to call him up if needed.

Eberle was the most dangerous player all night. With a little finish the game would have been out of reach.

The fact that Smyth and Horcoff played 24-25 minutes and the kids played 13-14 tells the story completely.

Renney is being a reactionary coach (much like MacT was when he was here). If this team is going to get any better, they need to start dictating the games rather than trying to react the opposition (especially on home ice).

When Shawn Horcoff is being tapped on the shoulder 30 times a night (compared to about 21 for Hall), your team is going to struggle to score or control the game.

I may be alone on this, but I thought the goal for the team this year was to improve. The kids aren't going to get any better sitting on the bench and watching the veterans go into a TOTAL defensive shell. The last 10 minutes of the game last night were absolutely ridiculous.

Leonard Petrell got the same amount of shifts as Hall did for crying out loud!!!

It should be the mandate of the coaching staff to put these young core players out there and have them learn how to win (instead of how not to lose). Especially when this team has blown 4 of 6 games which they lead in the later stages of the game.

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#105 Ryan2
October 21 2011, 01:54PM
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@Romanus

The thing that has really bugged me watching the past couple of games is that Renney is not coaching to win, he is coaching to not lose which is totally different. Second game in a row where a late lead is blown because the team starts to back off and try to play defense with a weak blue line and group of forwards that is best suited to an attacking style of play.

FWIW, if Renney really were looking to win he would not have put Smid out for the last shift. He is the current team's version of Janne Ninimaa - whether he is directly at fault or not, when Ladi is on the ice in cruch time bad things happen. Two games in a row now he is on the ice for the opposing team's final goal. He has the tools but lacks the tool box and blueprints to put it all together. This has been evident for a while now. I love watching him hesitate with the puck when he is behind the Oilers' net with time. He is physical and can skate half decently, but he does not have the hockey sense needed to be a solid 2nd pairing d-man long term.

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#106 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 21 2011, 02:03PM
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I'd like to see a blog done up of the W/L record of teams league wide when they shell up to protect a lead.

Might put an end to all this knee jerk non-sense based on a fluky goal.

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#107 mastermind
October 21 2011, 02:05PM
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@rindog

Good response, Renney better start playing to win with the kids instead of losing with these vets...who can't close out the games! Old culture of losing at last seconds, is reflection of guys like Horcoff and Gilbert! It's frustrating watch them play that way.

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#108 dragon
October 21 2011, 02:37PM
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LT, the correct title should have been 'Ruining their show'

At what point in time will Renney quit protecting the kids and allow them real NHL experience. If these guys need protection by line-matching they should be in juniors of AHL.

Old-school teaching method, little to no valuable long-term results...

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#109 Archaeologuy
October 21 2011, 02:41PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

I'm fine with the plan as it has been. Feed the kids soft minutes while matching Horc and Smyth against the toughs. Throw in Belanger for some additional DZone starts for good measure as well.

The kids havent looked good for 2 games, but that could have a lot more to do with Hall being ill than RNH crapping the bed. They were still getting chances yesterday. If Eberle wasnt so snake bitten we'd be talking about the Oil winning 2 in a row instead of sending RNH to the Pressbox.

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#110 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 21 2011, 02:58PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I'm fine with the plan as it has been. Feed the kids soft minutes while matching Horc and Smyth against the toughs. Throw in Belanger for some additional DZone starts for good measure as well.

The kids havent looked good for 2 games, but that could have a lot more to do with Hall being ill than RNH crapping the bed. They were still getting chances yesterday. If Eberle wasnt so snake bitten we'd be talking about the Oil winning 2 in a row instead of sending RNH to the Pressbox.

Ah, I thought you meant sitting them down as in not getting alot of ice time yesterday.

Ya, I don't see much point in putting RNH in the pressbox at this point (though maybe down the line).

Edit: I guess one reason to sit RNH for a game or two now would be to stretch his 9 games out a bit.

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#111 Quinn the Eskimo
October 21 2011, 02:59PM
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Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

I dunno. Pretty girls are nice and everything, but there's a ton of sites that run that content. I think it shows a lack of imagination. Love the Lowetide written content but I like the photoshop gags and the ironic / funny images more than I like seeing exploited female sexuality. I'm not gonna stop coming here, I love this blog, but I could use less of this stuff, for sure.

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October 21 2011, 03:13PM
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Quinn the Eskimo wrote:

I dunno. Pretty girls are nice and everything, but there's a ton of sites that run that content. I think it shows a lack of imagination. Love the Lowetide written content but I like the photoshop gags and the ironic / funny images more than I like seeing exploited female sexuality. I'm not gonna stop coming here, I love this blog, but I could use less of this stuff, for sure.

Are you kidding. My 3 biggest loves... in order

1) Hockey 2) Beer 3) Woman

LT gives me 2 out of the 3 things I love the most!!! Now if LT buys me a beer... WOW

***Wishing the possibilities***

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#113 Oilers4ever
October 21 2011, 03:15PM
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What the heck??

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#114 Oilers4ever
October 21 2011, 03:15PM
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I typed a big long fricking text and hit post and it blows up and is gone.. .that sucks big time..

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#115 Dog Train
October 21 2011, 03:17PM
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I will give Renney a bit of a pass for last night. I think that Hall was clearly still feeling the effect of the flu and the other three lines were playing pretty good so he didn't want to mess that up so he sat the trio together. The bottom line is that, in my opinion, RNH will learn more from being an Oiler this season than he will as a Rebel. His faceoffs are the big concern but we have two guys who are having unbelieveable seasons so far in the dot (Horcoff and Belanger) and another guy who is steadily improving (Lander's #s have been better every game). Being around those guys day in and day out will help him in that aspect of the game and he won't need to take all of the key draws.

I don't mind him sitting for a game to see what it looks like without him, but I don't want so see what it looks like without him for the last 70 games of the season. If he is one of our best 6 forwards right now, then sending him down just sends the wrong message to players on the team about what our priorities are.

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#116 LoDog
October 21 2011, 03:19PM
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Are you kidding. My 3 biggest loves... in order

1) Hockey 2) Beer 3) Woman

LT gives me 2 out of the 3 things I love the most!!! Now if LT buys me a beer... WOW

***Wishing the possibilities***

It will now be my mission in life to invent a way to get beer through the intertubes.

mmmm nectar of the gods.

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#117 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 21 2011, 03:22PM
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Renney mentioning he may sit Hopkins out a game or two just goes to show how out of touch he is with this club.This would sure help him to win a few more draws next game.

Put the Oilers best player in the pressbox?........yeah right. Can his arse.

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#118 Quinn the Eskimo
October 21 2011, 03:25PM
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Woogie wrote:

Are you kidding. My 3 biggest loves... in order

1) Hockey 2) Beer 3) Woman

LT gives me 2 out of the 3 things I love the most!!! Now if LT buys me a beer... WOW

***Wishing the possibilities***

Maybe I'm just getting old. I get so bored with semi-dressed young people romping around all over the telly, the web, the bus stop ads. I like looking at lovely women as much as you, Woogs, but really? Everywhere? It's just so easy to plunk a pic of T&A into anything you want a bloke to look at. Boring and kinda dumb. Sorry.

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#119 HOFFFF
October 21 2011, 03:32PM
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Oilers recalled forward Ryan Keller from Oklahoma City (AHL).

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#120 Oilers4ever
October 21 2011, 03:38PM
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So clearly anyone who thinks RNH should be sent back needs to have their head examined. I understand the kid is young and all but I see no point in sending him back and here's why (and keep in mind, living outside of Red Deer, I watched this kid play a ton last year with the Rebels):

1) How the heck do you send back a kid who scored a hat trick in his 3rd pro hockey game (I know, I know it looks like Hall put it in, but even so he still would have had 3 points). Hall didn't have no three points last season by his 3rd game... took him what, 8, to get his first one? 2) Gretzky was quoted in his interview on TSN when talking about hockey job offers that clubs have given to him that the Nuge is one of the best players he's seen come out of junior in a long time. When Gretz talks, you listen. It's that simple. I'll trust his judgement on a player more than Tambo's any day of the week. 3) Wasn't the Oilers organization quoted at the beginning of the season as saying their goal is to make the playoffs this year? And yet yer talking about sending down the kid who currently has scored over a third of the teams goals so far? Right, because that shows you want the team to make the playoffs and not that you want to finish 30th again... You bet... NOT.. If Tambo thinks the fans will put up with this kid being sent back he's seriously mistaken and his arse should be fired because that clearly is not backing the team's mantra from back in September. And if you believe in what Tambo and all say with that then yer getting the wool pulled over your eyes and shame on you. 4) Just what the heck is RNH going to gain by going back to the Dub? Not much.. believe me. The kid dominated in almost every game he played last year wih the Rebels.. thus his 106 points. What else can he do? Yeah the Rebels would likely content for the Memorial Cup as they are playing reasonably well again this year without him. Yes he'd likely make the Jr team and maybe help win a gold medal. Big Deal. He needs to playing with the pros to grow his game, not a bunch of 16-18 year olds that he'd skate circles around. Big fricking whoop. Yeah, Taylor has two Memorial Cups so there was no point in sending him back but the Spitfire's team was a hell of a lot better than the Rebels were. Remember, when RNH joined the Rebels in his first year, they were in a rebuild much like the Oilers are now. Sending him back to junior is pure BS and a waste of everyone's time, except for maybe the Rebels as I'm sure they'd love to have him back. 5) If you keep RNH, Hallsy, and Ebs together, by the new year when they have had a chance to gel yer going to have one of THE best lines in the NHL playing together. Better then the Sedin sisters I even dare to say. But you have to give them the chance. Sending him back screws the offfense we do have and these games that the Oilers have been edging wins as 3-1 and 2-1 in are going to turn into L's.

And that's the bottom line cuz Oilers4ever said so. : )

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#121 David S
October 21 2011, 03:46PM
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I for one welcome our new sexualized overlords.

Wait. What?

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#122 HOFFFF
October 21 2011, 03:48PM
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HOFFFF wrote:

Oilers recalled forward Ryan Keller from Oklahoma City (AHL).

How come?

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#123 Oilers4ever
October 21 2011, 03:53PM
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Hey Quinn... I bet you'd take her if someone gave her to you for the night.. ;)

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#124 Archaeologuy
October 21 2011, 03:54PM
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@Oilers4ever

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#125 Quinn the Eskimo
October 21 2011, 03:55PM
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Oilers4ever wrote:

So clearly anyone who thinks RNH should be sent back needs to have their head examined. I understand the kid is young and all but I see no point in sending him back and here's why (and keep in mind, living outside of Red Deer, I watched this kid play a ton last year with the Rebels):

1) How the heck do you send back a kid who scored a hat trick in his 3rd pro hockey game (I know, I know it looks like Hall put it in, but even so he still would have had 3 points). Hall didn't have no three points last season by his 3rd game... took him what, 8, to get his first one? 2) Gretzky was quoted in his interview on TSN when talking about hockey job offers that clubs have given to him that the Nuge is one of the best players he's seen come out of junior in a long time. When Gretz talks, you listen. It's that simple. I'll trust his judgement on a player more than Tambo's any day of the week. 3) Wasn't the Oilers organization quoted at the beginning of the season as saying their goal is to make the playoffs this year? And yet yer talking about sending down the kid who currently has scored over a third of the teams goals so far? Right, because that shows you want the team to make the playoffs and not that you want to finish 30th again... You bet... NOT.. If Tambo thinks the fans will put up with this kid being sent back he's seriously mistaken and his arse should be fired because that clearly is not backing the team's mantra from back in September. And if you believe in what Tambo and all say with that then yer getting the wool pulled over your eyes and shame on you. 4) Just what the heck is RNH going to gain by going back to the Dub? Not much.. believe me. The kid dominated in almost every game he played last year wih the Rebels.. thus his 106 points. What else can he do? Yeah the Rebels would likely content for the Memorial Cup as they are playing reasonably well again this year without him. Yes he'd likely make the Jr team and maybe help win a gold medal. Big Deal. He needs to playing with the pros to grow his game, not a bunch of 16-18 year olds that he'd skate circles around. Big fricking whoop. Yeah, Taylor has two Memorial Cups so there was no point in sending him back but the Spitfire's team was a hell of a lot better than the Rebels were. Remember, when RNH joined the Rebels in his first year, they were in a rebuild much like the Oilers are now. Sending him back to junior is pure BS and a waste of everyone's time, except for maybe the Rebels as I'm sure they'd love to have him back. 5) If you keep RNH, Hallsy, and Ebs together, by the new year when they have had a chance to gel yer going to have one of THE best lines in the NHL playing together. Better then the Sedin sisters I even dare to say. But you have to give them the chance. Sending him back screws the offfense we do have and these games that the Oilers have been edging wins as 3-1 and 2-1 in are going to turn into L's.

And that's the bottom line cuz Oilers4ever said so. : )

Yep.

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#126 Quinn the Eskimo
October 21 2011, 03:57PM
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Oilers4ever wrote:

Hey Quinn... I bet you'd take her if someone gave her to you for the night.. ;)

I'd talk it over with the wife, I guess. She doesn't look like she'd eat much.

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#127 Smokey
October 21 2011, 03:58PM
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Why the hell is there talk about benching RNH. Maybe Renny's trying to send some bullhonkey message to RNH. Crazy

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#128 Rob...
October 21 2011, 04:13PM
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@Quinn the Eskimo

"I think it shows a lack of imagination.".

But I'm betting it has triggered the imagination in many of the readers here.

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#129 Clarko
October 21 2011, 04:37PM
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I'm starting to question Renney as a coach. It doesn't seem to matter what the vets do wrong, they are going to get the bulk of the ice time no matter what. Where as the kids will get benched at the first sign of trouble.

This team will NEVER win as long as Horcoff is getting top center minutes night after night. When your top center is incapable of contributing anything offensive to the team, you are in big trouble. He has ZERO goals so far, and you take out his 3 assist game vs Nashville and he only has 1 point in the other 5 games combined. If Horcoff played 3rd line minutes, killed penalties and took key D-zone faceoffs, he is a useful player.

In the last two games, Renney has decided he would try to win both 1-0 by playing guys who aren't going to give you a chance to get that 2nd and 3rd goal. Even when your more skilled players aren't playing great, they still have a better chance of scoring than the Horcoff line.

As others have said, start playing to win and stop playing not to lose!!

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#130 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 21 2011, 05:10PM
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If Oiler fans were at the helm we'd have a new coach every 20 games.

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#131 Dennis
October 21 2011, 05:25PM
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so renney is wrong for line-matching in an attempt to both win and let the kids get their confidence against lesser comp?

am I reading this correctly?

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#132 freeze
October 21 2011, 05:34PM
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@Dennis

That's right, just like he was wrong for not line-matching last year.

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#133 They're $hittie
October 21 2011, 05:44PM
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sitting RNH isnt to send a message, it would be to let him see the game from the outside and next to a coach to help him.

While eberle may not have the points rnh does, he is obviously not the same caliber as hall and rnh, but you can really tell the maturity difference in their games.

When gagner gets back and we have two offensive centers, things will come around. remember whitney has to get back in form and hemsky is also out.

Things will roll around and rnh will be a star, but everyone got on the bandwagon a little too early from a fast start from the kid.

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#134 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
October 21 2011, 05:47PM
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WOW! Six games into the second year of a complete rebuild and already so much hate. Last year it was ST didn't do this, ST didn't do that. He added some peices this year and now it's Renney this, Renney that.

Holy crap people, settle down. This is the SECOND year of our rebuild and we're only six games in. We're not gonna go from last place to the Stanley Cup in one year. The worst thing for the kids right now is to have a new coach. I think that's partly why Gagner hasn't had a breakout season yet. He's had 3 different coaches in 4 years.

Those of you saying Renney is not coaching to win, he's coaching not to lose. That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. You don't become a head coach in the best hockey league in the planet if you're not coaching to win. Last year we had so few opportunities to blow a lead because we never had it. We've been competitive in every game so far. What's the problem???

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#135 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
October 21 2011, 05:51PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

If Oiler fans were at the helm we'd have a new coach every 20 games.

yes and the blender will be going full blast

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#137 poncho12
October 21 2011, 06:55PM
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'Running Their Show' is immature... c'mon they're young guys playing against vets! givem a break! Once Eager shows some of em how to fight they'll be alright.

btw, RNH is staying - hatrick his 3rd game... are you kidding me!?!

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#138 Dennis
October 21 2011, 10:24PM
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Lowetide wrote:

No. The point of the article is that Renney is giving the kids every chance to succeed while also using his veterans to play the tough minutes.

He's doing exactly what he should be doing, and if the puck doesn't go past NK last night then we're not even talking about this as an issue.

i knew that's you meant but I was addressing other posters

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#140 Clarko
October 21 2011, 10:54PM
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Wow...certainly lots of response to my Renney comments. I'm not trying to say we should fire Renney, but as a fan, we're allowed to question what he is doing. I don't mind him sitting the kids if they aren't performing.

But my problem is that he sends out Horcoff and Smyth no matter how they are playing. Take the game against Vancouver last weekend. The kids were outstanding (scored all three goals). Meanwhile, Smyth was in the penalty box for two Canuck goals while it was Horcoff's man that scored the 3rd Canucks goal. Who led the forwards in icetime...Horcoff and Smyth. Seems like there is a double-standard.

Secondly, when you are leading 1-0 and send your "defensive" players out there all the time, you are saying one goal is good enough and you're not looking to score the 2nd goal. How many NHL teams have their best defensive forward leading the team in icetime?

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#141 Release the Hounds
October 21 2011, 10:57PM
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Smokey wrote:

J, thanks for leaving. Hope the door did not hurt on the way out. I could care less about the pics. You see worse at the mall, on TV, and surfing the net.

I've watched Oilers hockey since 1979, and for the most part the coaching style was tempo, even when the talent was not there. This season is a joke so far, and I stopped laughing when we lost against Calgary. What did the clearasil line do last night to get benched for 9 straight minutes? The only problem was their faceoffs. No wonder RNH is starting to get hesitant, the whole team is being overcoached and we are turning into Nashville 2.0.

Last year, I read somewhere (I believe it was Lowetide or Stauffer) that pointed out Oilers fans could get increasingly tired of Renney's structure and systems. Oil fans will put up with if they win, as did fans in Minny during the Lemaire years. What a waste of talent. What's wrong with occasional stretch pass, the occasional defensemen in the rush, or keeping the puck in the zone. The changes are obvious. Beyond the fact their defence zone coverage is awesome this year, the PK is excellent, defensemen are leaving the zone to early in the offence zone. The plugging up of the middle would make Hitchcock giggle like a schoolgirl. And worst of all, is they stopped trying to win. Hell, even Omark looks like freaking Carbonneau right now. We're not some hybrid Minnesota/ Nashville ugly step-sister were the Mother Freaking Oilers. Give me firewagon hockey or give me death.

Smokey, you are bang-on in your assessment that this team is being overcoached. For gawd sakes Renney, turn these kids loose and let them play. Last year's diamond PK was a classic example of the players trying too hard to play a structured system and forgetting how to play hockey. This game is not very complicated. Put the black disk in the opponent's net and stop the opponents from doing the same to you. Let them run.

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#142 Mike Modano's Dog
October 21 2011, 11:50PM
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To LT, regarding all those who would tell you what you can write, show, talk about, or like:

"Be who you are and say how you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

This from one who has taught us a lot, with surprising poignant and insightful thoughts.

I like what you do - don't change...and neither will I. It's perfect.

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#143 madjam
October 22 2011, 08:00AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Renney mentioning he may sit Hopkins out a game or two just goes to show how out of touch he is with this club.This would sure help him to win a few more draws next game.

Put the Oilers best player in the pressbox?........yeah right. Can his arse.

Well i think we see now why it takes so long for Oilers to assess things . Couple Renney with Tams and it seems obvious why they have such a brutally unacceptable results each year . Not even ten games into schedule and it looks like they have decided to write this year off as another go for the lotto pick again year . I suppose i shouldn't laugh about it seeing as neither has a winning resume to begin with - not even close to one . How those two avoid detection /accountability is simply amazing ! Nice to know our top sniper is hung out to dry , so as to justify them sending him (Hopkins) back to juniors .

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