All The News That Fits

Lowetide
October 29 2011 09:24AM

A few weeks into the 2011-12 NHL season, there are some similarities emerging for the 2010 and 2011 entry drafts. In both seasons, the top 2 selections made the leap to the show, both drafts boast a defenseman who adjusted seamlessly to the show and then a later pick in the top 10 who made some teams look foolish for passing them over. It'll be years before we make the call, but how is this trending?

2010 saw 6 kids jump right to the show and 5 would play complete seasons:

  1. Jeff Skinner 82, 31-32-63
  2. Taylor Hall 65, 22-20-42
  3. Cam Fowler 76, 10-30-40
  4. Tyler Seguin 74, 11-11-22
  5. Alexander Burmistrov 74, 6-14-20
  6. Nino Niedereiter 9, 1-1-2

I'd argue there were three (Skinner, Hall and Fowler) legit everyday players in the lineup and that Seguin was a bit player at times and a regular at others. Burmsitrov played an elevated role for the Thrashers but was not a major contributor (sure looks like one now, though).

Five players spent the majority of the season in the NHL, one slipped away at the deadline. All of these players were selected in the top dozen choices on day one 2010 entry draft. The top 2 selections (Hall & Seguin), a defenseman (Fowler) and a surprise forward in the top 10 (Skinner) were the headliners for the year.

The 2011 entry draft looks very similar from here. The top 2 selections (RNH & Landeskog) made the grade and a defenseman (Larsson) has made a seamless adjustment to the show. A pick later in the top 10 (Couturier) is making some teams look foolish for passing over him--but it's early.

  1. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 10, 5-4-9
  2. Grabriel Landeskog 10, 4-2-6
  3. Sean Couturier 10, 2-2-4
  4. Mark Scheifele 7, 1-0-1
  5. Mika Zibanejad 9, 0-1-1
  6. Adam Larsson 8, 0-0-0
  7. Brandon Saad 2, 0-0-0

RNH and Landeskog appear to the the class of the group, but Couturier has survived the cut and could have an impact on the Calder race ala Skinner one year ago. All reports on Larsson have been extremely positive, so he also looks like a quality pick. The others have been sent back, meaning there are 4 players who passed an extremely difficult test this fall.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

We've just counted arrows and there's a long way to go. More than their on-ice boxcars, health and progress of any kind are the watch words for the next year or so. You don't want to hear "Tyler Seguin has a hip condition" unless he was at a Hip concert the night before. You can say that Taylor Hall has been more productive than he was a year ago (10gp, 2-3-5 -4 a year ago and 10, 3-5-8 +4 this time) but you'd rather see better boxcars at year end as an arrow. **NOTE: The Seguin story linked to above is now being disputed by HNIC's Cassie Campbell via twitter.

NO REALLY: WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

Sometimes you have to look at something for a long time before you can realize how significant it is historically. The draft is no different--2010 still looks deeper and stronger than 2011 and the Oilers do appear to have grabbed two jewels in their grab for glory.

But we're barely on the freeway and these days are just snapshots. Somewhere in the top 10 there's a chronic hip problem and the back pages contain great value we can't see from here. "All the news that fits" didn't mean one damn thing once upon a time, and that's the beauty of watching things unfold. Sometimes life surprises you in the best possible way.

Nation Radio is back on the air today at noon. Among the guests scheduled to appear:

  • Kirk Luedeke from Redline report. Kirk and I are going to talk about the 2011 draft so far. Are there any surprises? Is RNH the best of the bunch out of the box? Do those of us who felt Sean Couturier was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the draft enjoy early bragging rights?
  • Cam Moon from the Red Deer Rebels. With Nugent-Hopkins in Edmonton to stay, I'll ask Cam about the impact on the Rebels this season. Moon was vehement in the spring (BEFORE the draft) that size, bulk, speed--whatever--wouldn't be enough to keep RNH from having an impact at the NHL level. He was right.
  • Ryan Batty from Copper and Blue. Ryan always has a strong opinion and doesn't waiver when it's unpopular but worth defending. Such is the case this week, as Batty wrote a fine article entitled "Why Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Should Go Back to Red Deer." I'll ask him about that and a few other Oiler related items this afternoon.
  • Danny Gray from Leafs Nation. I'll ask him about Kessel's fast start, why Ron Wilson hates people and we'll discuss Phaneuf's lack of Phaneufiness this season.
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#2 OutDoorRink
October 29 2011, 10:16AM
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Smytty's return is a gift from the hockey gods to a rebuilding Oilers team. Why would we ever entertain the idea of trading him?

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#4 ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10
October 29 2011, 10:43AM
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I still dont understand why Renney doesnt make a third line that looks like this.. Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark

Seriously.. wtf Tom?!?!?

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#5 Shane
October 29 2011, 10:58AM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

The Oilers have been known to acquire damaged goods, a trade for Seguin would be a perfect fit.

Make it happen!

I thought the Oilers are known for trading AWAY damaged goods ;)

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#6 Robin Brownlee
October 29 2011, 03:44PM
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@Wanyes bastard child

Sutton's not the victim.

He'll get, and deserves, four games for that hit because he's been suspended before -- a hit from behind on Pascal Dupuis of Pittsburgh.

You either want that hit out of the game or you don't. I don't want the career of somebody like Landeskog shortened by Andy Sutton.

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#7 @NateInVegas
October 29 2011, 09:53AM
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The Oilers have been known to acquire damaged goods, a trade for Seguin would be a perfect fit.

Make it happen!

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#8 Smokey
October 29 2011, 10:14AM
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Anyone else feel wierd about the Oilers being in first place in the conference for 12-18 hours or so. It don`t seem right. Im in shock...

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#9 Romanus
October 29 2011, 04:49PM
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ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10 wrote:

I still dont understand why Renney doesnt make a third line that looks like this.. Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark

Seriously.. wtf Tom?!?!?

I still don;t understand why the coaches and GM don't use this site to make all their decisions? Obviously the people here are way more qualified. And since the oilers started so badly this year, they really need to listen.

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#10 Shane
October 29 2011, 11:00AM
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@VK63

We just had the Mullet Curse lifted from are fair city and you'd want to trade him away and anger the Hockey Gods once again, are you mad man!!!

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#11 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
October 29 2011, 11:32AM
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Hallisimo wrote:

This is off topic from lowetides article but its just driving me crazy seeing all the posts on the internet regarding paajarvi and his underwhelming play or that we should use him as the trade bait to get a legit defencman for this team.

What do people expect when your one of the most skilled young players in the league and your only given 5 - 10 min a game and are always getting stuck with the horcoffs and joneses of this team.

Why does Renney insist on limiting this kid to third line min and third line players to play with. If the oilers ruin this kid and trade him away they will surely regret it. The kid looks like a young forsberg but the coaching staff just continue to misuse him and drag his confidence down, play him with lander and omark or even once in awhile throw him on a line with nuge and ebs and watch him light the lamp, but to continue playing him with belanger, horcoff, jones etc the results just arent going to be there.

Sorry about bieng a downer after another big win, but management just really continues to dissapoint in how they develop our top notch talent we have aquired. And people wanting to trade this kid will be kicking themselves when he turns in an absolute stud for another franchise.

Paajarvi has only been below 10min ice time once, playing 8:39 in the game against washington, and has averaged around 13.5min a night so far this year

kinda poo-poos on the "only given 5-10min a game" theory

as for the being stuck with 3rd liners part, where else do you put him? Team is winning, kid line is putting up points, and smyth is putting up points being "stuck" with horcoff and jones..

i agree 100% he would be better suited in an offensive role. problem is, there isnt a spot for everyone.

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#12 OilLeak
October 29 2011, 11:46AM
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ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10 wrote:

I still dont understand why Renney doesnt make a third line that looks like this.. Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark

Seriously.. wtf Tom?!?!?

Because Renney tried that last year and they were absolutely killed.

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#13 Wanyes bastard child
October 29 2011, 01:55PM
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Sutton might be the latest victim of the Shanaban...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/10/29/sutton_hearing/

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#14 Smokey
October 29 2011, 03:14PM
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I think with the Sutton hit you got to remove your oil covered goggles. If O`Brian cranked one of youngin`s in the noggin`, we`d all be crying a foul. He was due to sit a game or two to get some rest. I think hes going to get 3-4 games. The rules are the rules and if an old dog can learn a new trick then the ol dog is going to be spending time in the chateau da`bow wow. I don`t think Sutton`s comment helps him alot, but I don`t think he meant it as he is going to cheep more guys. I think its kinda along the lines of the Torres comment that guys like Sutton who are playing for 1-2 year contracts have to play balls to wall, so they stay relevent and have value to get another contract.

The suspension for the games doesn`t bother me, but the money some of these guys loose makes the long suspesions like Wiz from CBJ bothersome. I think the suspensions are hard enough on the player, taking their pay is gross. I just wish there was a better way to change the culture of the game.

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#15 james_dean
October 29 2011, 03:23PM
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sutton suspended.

good, if someone 6' 7'' hit rnh coming toward the blue line, i would expect the same

the height difference sucks for andy but hes a goon shanny has to do what he has to do to protect players

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#16 sofarsogood
October 29 2011, 08:08PM
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just wondering if oilers nation draft standing can be displayed every 10 games?

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#17 tank
October 29 2011, 01:18PM
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I think the third line winger should be neither omark or gag but someone more suited to that role who can bring some physical presence since we have enough offense elsewhere, someone like teemu h or if we want to go the veteran route travis moen is a ufa july 1 and is from saskatchewan

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#18 Robin Brownlee
October 29 2011, 05:16PM
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hamrlik wrote:

Landeskog was fine.

Sutton will get suspended for a few games and lose associated pay.

Sutton is the victim.

Sutton is the victim because:

A) Landeskog was fine.

B) Sutton shouldn't be suspended for hitting another player in the head.

C) Brownlee said Sutton isn't the victim.

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#19 Milli
October 29 2011, 05:44PM
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Anyone saying trade Smyth should be banished for life. The curse is lifted and Smyth is gifted!!! Seriously, he is exactly the type of player we need and have needed on this team.

The Sutton hit when I watched lastnight, I thought no way that should be a suspension, but after watching the replay, he does hit the players head and it is with elbow. As much as I don't like it, I want those hits out of the game. I trust in Shannahans judgment and also underdstand he is a man that wants hockey played fast, physical and with passion, but without head shots. Tough to disagree.

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#20 Rob...
October 29 2011, 11:31PM
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@Robin Brownlee

I'd actually say Oilers Organization, not Sutton, is the victim because this preseason saw two Oilers first rounders have their head targeted and the league did nothing. Call headshots if you want, but call it evenly.

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#21 m3sh
October 30 2011, 12:12PM
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@Peter Smolinski

Whoa there bud. That whole counting chickens before they hatch adage is applicable here. Yes, there's promising signs, but in no way are we making the playoffs quite yet - everything is going our way right now, we'll see how this team responds to some real adversity (Hemsky and Whitney out is not adversity, that's BAU).

Everyone says wait until 20 games... then it'll be 30, then 40; until we make the playoffs people will say we likely can't/won't. I'm one of them - 5 years of seeing random 5 game win streaks followed by 10-13 game losing streaks tends to colour one sceptical. Which is not to say I'm not enjoying every goddamn second of this current run of success.

My measuring stick is always regulation losses. If we hit 30, we're likely done, lucky to be 8th seed if at all. If we make it to the all-star break with less than 20 regulation losses, i may just starting believing it's possible :)

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#22 Muller
October 29 2011, 09:36AM
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Lowetide, would you give Hemsky to Columbus for their first round pick?

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#23 Peff
October 29 2011, 09:39AM
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I know it's hard to come up with a name for the kid line ... Just thinking how about " Petro Line " ? . It doesn't relate to their names but it does to Oil . Or even the " Imperial Line " they could play the star wars song when they hit the ice . Lol

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#24 Shane
October 29 2011, 09:46AM
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Hemsky for Columbus's first rounder this year? Hells ya I would do that. Love Hemsky but he can not stay in the line up. I can't see that changing. The Oil are doing ok without him, and this may be the way the Oilers get a lottery pick in 2012. C-bus is going no-where fast.

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#25 VK63
October 29 2011, 10:00AM
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The upcoming draft appears loaded with potential stud Dmen. It would be in the oilers interest to accumulate as many picks as possible and expiring contract individuals like hemmer and gagner amongst others may well fetch some.

Lowetide.... do you think theres any possibility that the Oilers would entertain trading Smyth to a cup contender at the deadline with a retire an Oiler deal already in place for July 1?

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#26 FastOil
October 29 2011, 10:14AM
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Shane wrote:

Hemsky for Columbus's first rounder this year? Hells ya I would do that. Love Hemsky but he can not stay in the line up. I can't see that changing. The Oil are doing ok without him, and this may be the way the Oilers get a lottery pick in 2012. C-bus is going no-where fast.

I would really take a flyer and get their 2013 pick. A chance at drafting MacKinnon. That would be genius because I doubt we'll be in the lottery then and he's killing it as a rookie, and he just turned 17.

Sweeten it by taking some short term contract cap pressure off them.

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#27 happy_fan
October 29 2011, 10:19AM
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I know it's hard to come up with a name for the kid line ... Just thinking how about " Petro Line " ? . It doesn't relate to their names but it does to Oil . Or even the " Imperial Line " they could play the star wars song when they hit the ice . Lol

HAHA when i read this i thought it was quite funny because my dad's work is called Petro-line.

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#28 justDOit
October 29 2011, 10:32AM
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OutDoorRink wrote:

Smytty's return is a gift from the hockey gods to a rebuilding Oilers team. Why would we ever entertain the idea of trading him?

Because hockey is a business first, and a sport second. That said, I also wouldn't want to see Rexall Place burned to the ground, so it would probably be a bad idea...

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#29 Shane
October 29 2011, 10:59AM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

The Oilers have been known to acquire damaged goods, a trade for Seguin would be a perfect fit.

Make it happen!

Double Double post

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#30 stevezie
October 29 2011, 11:01AM
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@ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10

There's a lot of people around here who hated that line last year/ I didn't mind it as much as most, and still think it really should work out. In any case I am firmly in the "this team could use Omark more than Eager" camp.

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#31 bazmagoo
October 29 2011, 11:03AM
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ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10 wrote:

I still dont understand why Renney doesnt make a third line that looks like this.. Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark

Seriously.. wtf Tom?!?!?

Probably because Gagner and Omark are bad defensively and the focus of and reason for our success has been team defence.

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#32 godot10
October 29 2011, 11:12AM
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ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10 wrote:

I still dont understand why Renney doesnt make a third line that looks like this.. Paajarvi-Gagner-Omark

Seriously.. wtf Tom?!?!?

Have you checked the standings! -).

What about #winning don't you like? I don't know about you, but I'm damn tired of #losing.

Omark has to learn how to play with as much focus in the defensive zone as he does in the offensive zone.

The guys who are playing are more reliable defensively. That is Omark's hurdle. To be reliable defensively. Unreliable players lead to #losing, not #winning.

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#33 VK63
October 29 2011, 11:24AM
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Shane wrote:

We just had the Mullet Curse lifted from are fair city and you'd want to trade him away and anger the Hockey Gods once again, are you mad man!!!

I would do whatever it took to fill the cupboard with more kids. I hadnt factored in the angering of the gods.

I thought they were still pissed about the wee want the cup chant in the second round in 06?

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#34 Hallisimo
October 29 2011, 11:25AM
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This is off topic from lowetides article but its just driving me crazy seeing all the posts on the internet regarding paajarvi and his underwhelming play or that we should use him as the trade bait to get a legit defencman for this team.

What do people expect when your one of the most skilled young players in the league and your only given 5 - 10 min a game and are always getting stuck with the horcoffs and joneses of this team.

Why does Renney insist on limiting this kid to third line min and third line players to play with. If the oilers ruin this kid and trade him away they will surely regret it. The kid looks like a young forsberg but the coaching staff just continue to misuse him and drag his confidence down, play him with lander and omark or even once in awhile throw him on a line with nuge and ebs and watch him light the lamp, but to continue playing him with belanger, horcoff, jones etc the results just arent going to be there.

Sorry about bieng a downer after another big win, but management just really continues to dissapoint in how they develop our top notch talent we have aquired. And people wanting to trade this kid will be kicking themselves when he turns in an absolute stud for another franchise.

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#35 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 29 2011, 12:22PM
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LT any chance on filing a 2012 draft update, report in the next month or so?... i know its early... but it would be great to get a look at some of the names, esp. before the WJC start.

anyone who argues for trading Smyth has renounced citizenship of Oilernation. I don't see how that can't be high treason.

On that third line. I don't have any solutions to get things going, but 10 games in it looks like Renney might not have any either. I hope he changes it up or the line as it is finds some chemistry. Right now it looks like lost minutes on the ice except for Belanger pulling in FO wins.

I would seriously consider using Hemsky as trade bait. But I'm also a huge fan and would hate to see him go... he's been the only consistent scorer for years (when healthy... big conditional). probably best to let him run a bit to increase his value... right now, coming off and injury and then going right back to the bench, can't imagine he looks that appetizing to other GMs

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#36 ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10
October 29 2011, 12:30PM
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Well Omark and Paajarvi belong together, they were good together last year, put Gagner on another line if hes too much of a defensive liability..Omark is a bit as well but one only offensive minded player per line is ok..especially if he is one who has the talent and drive that Omark has, he will learn defense in time..

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#37 ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10
October 29 2011, 12:33PM
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And by the way Nation Network..when is there gonna be a forum implemented on this site? That would really unite (or create wars) among the nations network of sites dontya think?

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#38 Jack
October 29 2011, 12:35PM
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**NOTE: The Seguin story linked to above is now being disputed by HNIC's Cassie Campbell via twitter.

I think anything from Cassie Campbell you have to take with a grain of salt. She's been dead wrong before and she's dead wrong here too. That article you link has Chiarelli confirming that there is a problem but stating it's not a concern...and also has Seguin acknowledging that he has to work on his hip to avoid problems down the road (therein admitting there is some sort of congenital problem). I wouldn't be surprised that all Seguin said was that he has no problem...and she failed to read between the lines that that could mean there is no current acute problem but not neccesarily that there is no congenital problem.

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#39 whistle
October 29 2011, 12:39PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Probably because Gagner and Omark are bad defensively and the focus of and reason for our success has been team defence.

The reason for our last three wins has been outstanding goaltending. Good defense doest give up 41 shots against the avs...

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#40 RexLibris
October 29 2011, 01:06PM
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Re: Paajarvi So here's an idea, put Omark, Paajarvi, and Lander together. Renney toyed with it in PS, and both MP and Lander are very defensively sound. If Omark needs to work on that part of his game and there is a developing connection between those three because of their nationality then use it to make them each better. Omark is already a HS, Paajarvi is already on the third and Lander is already centering the fourth line, so it's not like it would require a huge shakeup to do it. You sit Eager, and have the 3rd and 4th lines come to almost equal ice time. It's worth a shot before you end up souring Omark on being a part of this organization. As I see it, Omark is the kind of depth scoring good teams have (ie: Detroit) and it was his presence last year that made MP feel more at home. So, try to make it work and find a way for those kids to both buy in and succeed.

As for finding a way to get Scott Howson's 1st rounder for this year, if he does that, and for the record I would really appreciate it if he did trade it to us, he would be pulling the pin on the grenade of his own career. That would be the last move of a very, very desperate man. It would mean two years without a 1st rounder, and be as near a death-knell for that franchise as they have ever had. But yeah, Nathan McKinnon playing 2nd line centre to RNH would be a dream come true!

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#41 Wax Man Riley
October 29 2011, 01:50PM
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Hallisimo wrote:

This is off topic from lowetides article but its just driving me crazy seeing all the posts on the internet regarding paajarvi and his underwhelming play or that we should use him as the trade bait to get a legit defencman for this team.

What do people expect when your one of the most skilled young players in the league and your only given 5 - 10 min a game and are always getting stuck with the horcoffs and joneses of this team.

Why does Renney insist on limiting this kid to third line min and third line players to play with. If the oilers ruin this kid and trade him away they will surely regret it. The kid looks like a young forsberg but the coaching staff just continue to misuse him and drag his confidence down, play him with lander and omark or even once in awhile throw him on a line with nuge and ebs and watch him light the lamp, but to continue playing him with belanger, horcoff, jones etc the results just arent going to be there.

Sorry about bieng a downer after another big win, but management just really continues to dissapoint in how they develop our top notch talent we have aquired. And people wanting to trade this kid will be kicking themselves when he turns in an absolute stud for another franchise.

The kid is also 20, big, and can skate like the wind. You can watch him and see that he is still learning the NA game. He has a long and bright future ahead of him, and I think being on the 3rd line, getting 12 mins a night is pretty good for a 20 yr old rookie.

He is still a bit soft on the forecheck and on the puck, and will learn to use his size as he progresses.

I have no problems at all with him on the 3rd line. He is learning the defensive game as well as the NHL game. He will break out. Just probably not this year.

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#42 justDOit
October 29 2011, 01:58PM
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whistle wrote:

The reason for our last three wins has been outstanding goaltending. Good defense doest give up 41 shots against the avs...

Although I didn't see the Avs game, shots don't always equal scoring chances. Yes, the 'tending has been good when needed, but this team is also playing great defence. Puck support and puck pressure are things that the Oilers didn't show last year, or the year before, or...

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#43 Jesse
October 29 2011, 02:29PM
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I'm not trying to be a biased fan here -- I know that Sutton's hit made contact with the head of the opposing player, but was it really an elbow? It looked like an otherwise clean bodycheck (aside from the fact that it hit Landeskog in the head). It looked to me like Sutton's elbow was in at the time of contact, and the fact that he is just a 6'6" beast is why Landeskog's head made contact with Sutton in the general area of his elbow. But... His elbow was *in*. Am I crazy here? Does this even matter?

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#44 Wanyes bastard child
October 29 2011, 02:49PM
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@Jesse

I don't know... watched the video a few times and to me it could go either way for Sutton, toss in the fact that he is a repeat offender and we may be missing him for a few games.

That being said I think the size difference should be taken into account here and I don't think it was an intentional hit to the head.

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#45 Smokey
October 29 2011, 04:16PM
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Theres the 100 million. Granted I`ve heard the rumbling before. I think funding the arena is the responsibility of the private sector, but if its going to happen, i won`t fight progress.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/10/28/province-opens-door-a-crack-on-arena-money

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#46 hamrlik
October 29 2011, 04:16PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Sutton's not the victim.

He'll get, and deserves, four games for that hit because he's been suspended before -- a hit from behind on Pascal Dupuis of Pittsburgh.

You either want that hit out of the game or you don't. I don't want the career of somebody like Landeskog shortened by Andy Sutton.

Landeskog was fine.

Sutton will get suspended for a few games and lose associated pay.

Sutton is the victim.

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#47 LoweBlow
October 29 2011, 04:22PM
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RNH looks like the most talented player on the team AND he's the top scorer. Look for him to keep it up. The kid learns with every shift. He's getting smarter and quicker. It barely seems to matter how far away he is from the defenseman at first on the forecheck, he always ends up with the puck. Kid's a gem, pay him whatever he wants!

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#48 Jesse
October 29 2011, 04:25PM
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I haven't got oil tinted glasses on and if Andy Sutton deserves a suspension for that hit, I really don't care. I just read the article that was linked above that was saying it was an elbow, and I don't think it was. Headshot? Fine, whatever. Suspension? Again, fine. Not saying it wasn't a bad hit, I just didn't think it was an elbow. I sure don't think Sutton is the victim. He's responsible for his actions, and whether intentional or not, that was a headshot. I think he deserves a suspension.

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#49 godot10
October 29 2011, 04:51PM
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A suspension or two a season is the price of Andy Sutton. That isn't a bad thing. The other teams in the Northwest have been running the Oilers for years since MacT went the non-violence route. Regehr was allowed to shorten Hemsky's career because the Oilers had no one who would enforce justice when the league refused to.

I'm all for changing the rules, but not for unilateral disarmament.

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#50 james_dean
October 29 2011, 05:15PM
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@ goddot

regher never crushed hemsky @ the blue line

as sutton portrayed per last night

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