OMARK GOING TO OKC

Jason Gregor
November 01 2011 06:09PM

Linus Omark has been sent down to OKC. He does have an out-clause in his contract to go to Sweden, but he will report to the AHL. It is a smart move on his part. He wants to play in the NHL, and staying in North America makes the most sense for him.

He doesn't have to clear waivers, so if he plays well the Oilers can recall him without worrying about losing him on re-entry waivers. He needs to play and he is better off playing in the AHL than eating popcorn in an NHL pressbox.

The Oilers will also recall Colten Teubert with Cam Barker still questionable. Tom Renney said today he wasn't sure when they would call up Teubert, but it sounds like he will join them sooner than later.

Smart move by the Oilers and Omark to go to OKC. He'll get lots of icetime under Todd Nelson and if he can find some consistency I think he'll find himself back in the NHL.


Omark will join the team in Abbotsford and likely play Thursday and Saturday. If the Oilers announced the demotion today he would have had to fly to OKC today and join the team. However, since OKC is flying out to Abbotsford tomorrow, they can wait and announce it tomorrow and then he can join them in Abbotsford.

Strange rule, but that is why the Oilers won't announce his re-assignment until tomorrow.

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#101 TigerUnderGlass
November 02 2011, 12:55PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I think part of the issue is that people are thinking this decision is (and/or should be) based on 5 games.

It took injuries for Omark to make the team last year and from the Oil change show it was clear Omark was on the outside looking in starting this year.

Gagner had niether of those two hurdles.

FFS read the conversation please.

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#102 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
November 02 2011, 01:01PM
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@Clarko

I was just trying to make a point.

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#103 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
November 02 2011, 01:02PM
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Clarko wrote:

To me, it doesn't make much sense either when one of your most gifted players offensively comes back and you put him on the 3rd line when you rank 26th in the league in offense.

As it currently sets up, Ryan Jones would be getting more minutes than Hemsky. That doesn't make any sense either. I just think you need to find minutes for a guy who can score a point a game. I'm not saying you need to break up the kid line, but it was just an idea.

Pretty sure that 3rd line would get more minutes than your average 3rd line.

Hemsky will get his extra minutes on the PP.

Not sure why we have to put all our eggs in one basket. Try having 3 lines that you can roll with confidence will get us further.

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#104 SLURVE
November 02 2011, 01:06PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Is it truly that difficult to believe that it isnt just his lack of offense that is keeping Omark out of the lineup?

I know I like to get all over Omark at every chance that I get, but I'm not making up his poor play at the Oiler end of the rink. He isnt very good.

I dont know the exact reasons Renney doesnt play him over others, but the same choice was made last season too. He wasnt trusted then and he isnt trusted now.

He is a replacement player in the NHL 2 years running despite being given an extended look at the NHL level (50+ games). RNH takes his spot on the PP and does it much better, and players like Gagner, MPS, and Belanger either bring more to the table than their offense or have a more proven track record of providing the offense that Omark wasnt bringing.

But I guess poor little Omark didnt get a fair shake.

I disagree with you. You are misjudging Omark by a country mile. When Hemsky was injured last year, Omark stepped up playing with MPS on the pp. A few critics proposed that the pp should center around Omark because of his ability to make plays and be creative. He was great playing on the half-boards.

My question is Gagner and Jones better than Omark on the defensive zone? No. Gagner can't win face offs and has problem in the defensive zone coverage. Jones has not contribute much except for his size. If Omark could add scoring and play on the second unit pp, then why not give him a shot. How bad a defensive liability can he be as compared to Jones and Gagner.

Move Gagner to wing with Horc and Smyth. Put Omark with MPS together on a line esp on the second unit pp. We could use more scoring now that our defensive play is working along with the goalies playing well.

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#105 KidsInTheHall!
November 02 2011, 01:10PM
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WTF wrote:

Too funny to go to Flames nation and see the "blow it up" comments.

It made my day to go over there and read the comments yeah. Their tears will fuel us!

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#106 TigerUnderGlass
November 02 2011, 01:10PM
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Max Powers - Team HME Evans wrote:

Ok. So all I got from our back and forth here is that:

a) You disagree with my initial post, and b) You're a total dink

Right on. Thanks for the riveting discussion!

Edit: I see you edited your last post to exclude the demeaning comment

Of course - after all comments like "So there's a bit of a rift there on where you stand and where the informed professional stands" are purely for informative purposes only and contain no intent at all right?

Which demeaning comment do you mean anyways? I erased some stuff I assumed would go over your head since you keep asking what my point is no matter how clearly I make it, but I don't even remember what was in there. I'm immersed in drafting a contract today and commenting in here every so often to rest my brain.

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#107 TigerUnderGlass
November 02 2011, 01:12PM
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Max Powers - Team HME Evans wrote:

I was just trying to make a point.

That Renney agree with you so you mush be right? There is no other possible inference to get from that. That's not a point, it's a logical fallacy.

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#108 A-Mc
November 02 2011, 01:14PM
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Clarko wrote:

To me, it doesn't make much sense either when one of your most gifted players offensively comes back and you put him on the 3rd line when you rank 26th in the league in offense.

As it currently sets up, Ryan Jones would be getting more minutes than Hemsky. That doesn't make any sense either. I just think you need to find minutes for a guy who can score a point a game. I'm not saying you need to break up the kid line, but it was just an idea.

What makes you think Ryan Jones would get more time than Hemsky?

Renney has shown us that Lines 1,2,3,4 have no absolute assurance of ice time in comparison to one another. The 2nd line (Horc/Smyth/Jones) Sees more time than our 1st line (Hall/Ebs/RNH). And on that 2nd line, Ryan Jones has the least amount of time with a ball-park avg of ~14-15mins/game. His Linemates are over 20mins/game.

If Hemsky comes out guns a blazin, i think it's a limited way of thinking that would have us believe he'll see less ice time than players with lower production.

In all honesty i think we should throw the line numbers out the window and look at them more of Character/Chemistry Pairings. Which ever lines are most effective against the opponent of the night will see the most Ice time. We're a lucky team to have a '3rd line' of Hemsky/Gag/Prv.

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#109 SLURVE
November 02 2011, 01:18PM
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To add to my previous comment about keeping Omark with MPS on the second unit pp, we were not more than 5 games or so in to the season when Omark began to sit out 5 straight. How in that short of time and given how productive he was last year can a guy suddenly be out. Especially so when Lander just arrived, he was supposed to be in the OKC. Jones IMO has a longer leash. Gagner although injured at the start of the season and since coming back has not been lights out either. Some coaches have their favorite players and some just do not have chemistry with certain players.

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#110 BGH - Team SQUEEE
November 02 2011, 01:56PM
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EDIT : Tried to quote, did it wrong, this is in response to comment 103 by A-MC

Amen. That is my feeling as well. Just because Omark is sent down doesn't mean his career is over and he is never coming back.

It means we needed roster space to figure out what to do with the bodies we have.

Him, and Lander, are simply the best choices to go down because they don't have to clear waivers.

Heaven forbid we send down Gagner and lose him on waivers. Then everyone would be screaming about poor asset management.

This year is all about auditions for next year and beyond. Despite our dramtic start, lets be honest and admit we aren't going to be competing for the cup in round 4.

That being said, the decisions made this year (Hemsky long term vs trade, Gagner, Omark) will have an effect on the future and better to be handled slow and proper.

Just my $.02

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#111 Kodiak
November 02 2011, 02:03PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Is it truly that difficult to believe that it isnt just his lack of offense that is keeping Omark out of the lineup?

I know I like to get all over Omark at every chance that I get, but I'm not making up his poor play at the Oiler end of the rink. He isnt very good.

I dont know the exact reasons Renney doesnt play him over others, but the same choice was made last season too. He wasnt trusted then and he isnt trusted now.

He is a replacement player in the NHL 2 years running despite being given an extended look at the NHL level (50+ games). RNH takes his spot on the PP and does it much better, and players like Gagner, MPS, and Belanger either bring more to the table than their offense or have a more proven track record of providing the offense that Omark wasnt bringing.

But I guess poor little Omark didnt get a fair shake.

I agree Omark isn't great defensively but I dont think his defensive zone coverage was that bad either. I think the main issue was his turnovers at or just inside the offensive blue line. Gagner turns over the puck a ton too, and his defensive coverage is no better than Omarks. His -17 last year somewhat attests to that. Gagner has been protected and babied his whole career so of course he's going to get the benefit of the doubt when he's not producing.

I have no issues with Omark being sent down. He hasn't played well. I think in OKC he will be able to light it up and gain some confidence. He can come up and step right in once Gagner is traded.

I would like to see Hemsky play with Horcoff and Jones slide down with Belanger. That would set us up with the kid line as all offense against the softs, Horcoff's line against the toughs and still produce offensively and Belanger's line against the seconds.

Personally I think Gagner will be in real tough on this team. There are better offensive options now and I see his production taking a huge dip this year. I think we'll be lucky if he scores 35 points.

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#112 Clarko
November 02 2011, 02:10PM
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@chris

And I think Tiger's point was that he is allowed to disagree with the coaches and management. If fans didn't disagree, then there would be no need for a discussion board. Of course Renney and Tambellini know more about the team and hockey in general than most of us. But they aren't always right and it makes for great conversation to talk about what we might do different. It is one of the great things about being a fan!

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#113 Kodiak
November 02 2011, 02:10PM
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chris wrote:

Tiger - I think the point was that Renney knows more than you do about hockey, and certainly more about the chemistry and team dynamics inside the room. Maybe I disagree and should send your resume to info@edmontonoilers.com

Mactavish played Thoreson and Toby Peterson on the PP and 1st line at times. Of course that was the right decision, right? I'm sure you agreed with it? I mean, how can you disagree with a coach who got his team to the SCF?

Give your head a shake. Coaches make crazy and inexplainable decisions all the time. If you agree with every decision Renney makes why are you even on this site. What's there to discuss then?

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#114 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 02 2011, 02:16PM
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Kodiak wrote:

Mactavish played Thoreson and Toby Peterson on the PP and 1st line at times. Of course that was the right decision, right? I'm sure you agreed with it? I mean, how can you disagree with a coach who got his team to the SCF?

Give your head a shake. Coaches make crazy and inexplainable decisions all the time. If you agree with every decision Renney makes why are you even on this site. What's there to discuss then?

Dallas also played Peterson on the PP .... in the third round of the playoffs and Detroit played Justin Abdelkater on the 1st line... in the SCF.

Fans think coaches make crazy decisions all the time (though I'm sure they do the odd time) because fans live in a bubble and don't realize what they see as a "crazy decision" is actually common practice amoungst the pros.

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#115 TigerUnderGlass
November 02 2011, 02:20PM
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chris wrote:

Tiger - I think the point was that Renney knows more than you do about hockey, and certainly more about the chemistry and team dynamics inside the room. Maybe I disagree and should send your resume to info@edmontonoilers.com

I can hardly believe all the enlightening commentary coming out today. Thank you for this.

One thing though - how are you going to send them my resume? Where did you get it?

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#116 TigerUnderGlass
November 02 2011, 02:22PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I sure hope he starts up soon. He's a notoriously slow starter and I think he's looked better each game he plays. The emergence of RNH and the good health of Horcoff have certainly changed the lay of the land.

I still think that he can fit in long term as the 2C when Horcoff becomes less reliable offensively. However, the old balls are playing like it's 2006 out there, so I agree with you that Gagner will be in tough to get the minutes.

I think he finishes with over 40 again though. If Gregor is right about a 91-89-83 line then I see the points starting to come again.

The good news for Gagner is that the old balls will not be around long term. Gagner can be.

91-89-83 would be a very interesting line.

Edit: Having guys for Gagner to play behind is not a bad thing, not for his development or for the teams bottom line long term.

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#117 Kodiak
November 02 2011, 02:54PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I sure hope he starts up soon. He's a notoriously slow starter and I think he's looked better each game he plays. The emergence of RNH and the good health of Horcoff have certainly changed the lay of the land.

I still think that he can fit in long term as the 2C when Horcoff becomes less reliable offensively. However, the old balls are playing like it's 2006 out there, so I agree with you that Gagner will be in tough to get the minutes.

I think he finishes with over 40 again though. If Gregor is right about a 91-89-83 line then I see the points starting to come again.

I have to agree that he has looked better the last game or two. I was actually impressed with the jump he had before the ankle issue but when he came back it was like he was skating in quicksand. He's starting to get some flow back in his stride again.

We will see if and how he plays with Hemsky. I really haven't seen a lot of chemistry between those two in the past. If Gagner struggles on the dot they may be playing without the puck quite a bit as I don't see them being real strong puck retrieval players. Only time will tell. Having a 3rd line scoring would really pick up this team and take some pressure off the kids, especially on the road, so I hope they can produce.

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#118 Peterborough
November 02 2011, 02:59PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

I can hardly believe all the enlightening commentary coming out today. Thank you for this.

One thing though - how are you going to send them my resume? Where did you get it?

You should wiki sarcasm.

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#119 Peterborough
November 02 2011, 03:04PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I can see how people see Gagner as expendable with RNH here and Horc (and a lesser extent Belanger) playing excellent hockey. I can see how it looks like he doesn't fit with the team anymore.

But it's pretty poor long term planning if we are banking on two guys creeping up on 35 to provide secondary scoring for much longer.... especially when I've been told for years that Horc is a 3rd... or even 4th liner at best by 90% of the site.

Spot on sir. Its silly to get rid of depth. Developing players is what we should be all about and it finally looks like that is the moves we are making. Also you should consider that's way too early to give up on Omark. He has little value to trade away and the upside of his developement could be a huge boon.

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#120 Kodiak
November 02 2011, 03:16PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Obviously I'd prefer higher FO% to lower FO%.... whowever most people blow FO ability way out of proportion.

A guy like Gagner is going to take 10 - 12 FO per game.... so the difference between him at 40% vs 50% is really only +/- one win per game.

Is that really going to make that big of a difference?

I agree faceoffs are overblown to a degree so let me rephrase my previous comment. Off faceoffs or anytime they don't have possession, they may struggle to regain possession and I can see them getting cycled in their own zone. On the flip side, I've been impressed with Paajarvi's ability to read plays and pick off pucks up the boards in the offensive zone that should allow Hemsky and Gagner to keep sustained pressure in the offensive zone.

As I said previously, only time will tell. I'm as curious as anyone to see how that line plays. I can see if it struggles that Hemsky will get moved up with Horcoff and Smytty and Jones gets moved down.

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#121 Archaeologuy
November 02 2011, 03:47PM
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@David S

Me and OB1 must have really got that kid all hot and bothered because he had to turn around and write an article all about it.

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#122 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 02 2011, 03:59PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Me and OB1 must have really got that kid all hot and bothered because he had to turn around and write an article all about it.

I'm looking forward to his article about Omark heading back to Europe.

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#123 TigerUnderGlass
November 02 2011, 04:11PM
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Peterborough wrote:

You should wiki sarcasm.

OR whoever it was that I was answering should consider proofreading. I'm no grammar nazi but when their entire meaning is changed by their mistake I will comment. If he meant to say it how he did then it was kind of weird.

I believe, based on my own comment which you blockquoted, that my sense of sarcasm is more or less fully intact. I generally prefer irony however. ;)

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#124 Kapustin
November 02 2011, 04:37PM
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A-Mc wrote:

I Honestly think Omark is a victim of the 60 games rule.

I like Omark, but he's on the fence at the moment; meaning he doesn't have a solid spot because they Couldn't afford to give him the Game time to adjust and fit in while still keeping him under the 60 game limit.

The only real way he would have broke free of this situation, IMO, is if he came out like RNH and wowed offensively for a bit.

right on spot!The team have problems because Rnh made the team and lander also .

What to do with omark? i think they trying hard to trade him away because if he tears up the ahl and makes 4 more games up hes needed to clear waivers to go down again(875k) and we lose him for nothing! I hope they doesnt trade him inside our conference so it hurt us later.

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#125 JOFA
November 02 2011, 05:20PM
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Too many quality forwards is a good thing. The challenge for the Oilers is to find ways of increasing their value.

I would like to see MPS and Lander join Omark in OKC. Give them a dozen games, play the three together for twenty minutes a night and let them get really comfortable playing together.

Despite how well RNH is doing, I would also like to see him play the WJ's. I believe he would benefit from participating in that tournament. Bring back the Swede line at that time, give them quality minutes, and see what they're capable of.

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#126 Wanyes bastard child
November 02 2011, 05:55PM
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JOFA wrote:

Too many quality forwards is a good thing. The challenge for the Oilers is to find ways of increasing their value.

I would like to see MPS and Lander join Omark in OKC. Give them a dozen games, play the three together for twenty minutes a night and let them get really comfortable playing together.

Despite how well RNH is doing, I would also like to see him play the WJ's. I believe he would benefit from participating in that tournament. Bring back the Swede line at that time, give them quality minutes, and see what they're capable of.

Interesting idea, but then what do you do with the NHL line-up?

Kid line

Jo-Smhoe line

Hemsky, Belanger, Gagner

Eager, Brule, Petrell ???

Maybe swap Hemsky for Jones, Gagner slots to the middle between Jones and Petrell moving Belanger to the fourth between Eager and Harti... I dunno. I like the idea of the swedes getting prime playing time in OKC to boost their confidence but it just seems that would leave to many questions on the big team eh.

Also, while RNH in the WJ's would be cool, the way he is playing there is no way that is even an option. Maybe if he wasn't doing FREAKIN AWESOME!!! it might have been an idea but yeah not gonna happen ;)

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#127 Saytalk
November 02 2011, 07:11PM
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Max Powers - Team HME Evans wrote:

Can I ask how you know his value? Is this a guess or real live information we're talking here?

A guess, based on the fact that he's a former fourth round pick that is meeting fourth round expectations (i.e. a marginal NHL'er). Perhaps I'm being too generous? I mean, if it hadn't been for all of those injuries to a last place team, he would have never been given the opportunity to play 51 NHL games (and score 5 goals!) last season. Maybe I've become biased by those YouTube highlights like the rest of his fans?

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#128 Wax Man Riley
November 02 2011, 11:50PM
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WTF wrote:

Too funny to go to Flames nation and see the "blow it up" comments.

I'm on my way!

Edit: Ha Ha!! It took until the second comment in the POSTGAME article that a lottery pick is coming, and poster Cmon, I'm Ollie Jokinen says: "Lottery pick here we come!!!! Yeah, baby!!!! I can promise you there will be no mad dash to mediocrity at the end of this season. Columbus and the Flames will be battling for last spot in the West. When all is said and done, the Flames will be drafting Yakupov or Murray this summer."

Well.... all of a sudden, it's not such a bad idea eh?

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#129 Wax Man Riley
November 03 2011, 12:06AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Have a feeling Feaster will do a retooling and not a rebuild like the Oilers are doing. He'll make a couple big deals and do in one yr what it's taken Tambellini 3 yrs to do to date.

If Feaster lands Turris in the next few weeks, you could see Iginla in a Capitals jersey for that first pick they got from Colorado for Varlomov. Kipper+ to Pheonix for their first selection. Jay could have the Flames retooled in one draft without the infinibuild mindset for the fans to swallow.It's Calgary that could hold two of the top five picks in next summers draft. Watch Feaster do what needs to be done if things don't change in a hurry 3 hrs south of here.

Somebody over at Flames Nation said it the best (not a direct quote): The Flames rebuild isn't going to be Edmonton. But it isn't going to be Philly either.

I thought it was a great analogy.

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#130 Wax Man Riley
November 03 2011, 12:28AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Apparently mine and OB1's argument with melancholyculkin has spurned him into writing an article at CnB. If you want to read an article that defends Omark and gives the false impression that he is as offensively capable as Hall and Eberle then here you go.

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/11/1/2528166/linus-omark-shooting-percentage-and-the-illusion-of-validity

The team is finally winning and apparently Tom Renney is dead wrong to drop a player who cant understand his system or contribute on the PP. Okeedokee.

My question is this:

What do the numbers say about Penner?

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#131 Peterborough
November 03 2011, 10:06AM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Somebody over at Flames Nation said it the best (not a direct quote): The Flames rebuild isn't going to be Edmonton. But it isn't going to be Philly either.

I thought it was a great analogy.

The Flmaes rebuild is going to be Toronto. They don't have the young peices that eith Philly did or even what we did. Its going to be ungly for a long time in Cowtown.

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#132 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 03 2011, 11:36AM
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who knew a thread on Omark would lead to such infighting among the Oil faithful... oh wait, this is just like all the other treads but on steroids!

I'm glad Omark is in OKC. He needs to play. Sitting on the bench is a terrible option for a young(ish) player still trying to figure out his pro. role. Also, I can't think of a viable scenario on the Oil for him right now, other than Platooning him with someone... and that creates the same problem... parcelling out minutes to young players still developing is against their interest and against the interest of the team in building a cohesive, steady playing force.

Glad he didn't throw a fit and opt for SEL. He still has a role to play in Oilersnation and is first on the call-up list for his position. He'll be given lots more chances this year to prove himself... hope he manages it... or, at least finds success back home or somewhere else.

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