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Lowetide
November 01 2011 07:01AM

There is a growing market for inexpensive forwards who can help move the needle offensively. Detroit, Carolina and possibly Boston, with the list growing daily. Throughout the NHL, the word is out: the goalies are ahead of the snipers and teams are looking for solutions. One of those possible solutions is available via Edmonton.
 

During the RE series this past summer, I detailed why Linus Omark is a player of interest:

  •  By eye and by math he appears to be a real hockey player. A guy like Nilsson looked all world with the puck one minute and then disappeared for the rest of the game. Omark flies sorties every shift. They don't work out all of the time, but there's a tremendous amount of try. He's hard on the puck and works like a bugger. He can stickhandle in a phone booth and can beat people wide and inside. On a team with crazy skill, Omark is his own unique individual. He's his own man, very confident and skilled.

In checking last season's Oiler forwards (not exactly the '75 Habs, but they had talent), Omark scored well in an important discipline:
 

5x5/60 (behind the net) 10-11

  1. Ales Hemsky 2.88
  2. Sam Gagner 1.91
  3. Jordan Eberle 1.79
  4. Linus Omark 1.78
  5. Taylor Hall 1.78
  6. Shawn Horcoff 1.47
  7. Ryan Jones 1.38
  8. Magnus Paajarvi 1.36
  9. Andrew Cogliano 1.33

So far this season, Omark and several others can't get the ball out of the infield (Gagner, Paajarvi are also at nil 5x5). In yesterday's ask Matty, Jim Matheson wrote the following:

  • I don’t think it’s fair to write off Omark, who hasn’t done anything wrong but keeps sitting because of numbers. When Hemsky returns in a week, the Oilers will have to do something with the right-winger Omark, who has National Hockey League skill. Unless I’m reading the collective bargaining agreement incorrectly, if Omark plays 60 NHL games, he has to clear waivers to be sent to the Oklahoma City Barons. He’s was too good for the AHL last season. If they’re caring, they’ll deal him somewhere else. The Carolina Hurricanes are looking for forwards.

Matheson mentions Carolina, but there are several (Boston, Detroit, Winnipeg, etc) NHL teams looking for quality offense. Many of those clubs are cap teams, so will be scouting quality offensive players with low cap hits. Omark is making $875,000, a very reasonable contract. The Oilers don't have a lot of room to make moves with this player, he can opt out and back to Sweden should they try to send him down (he could also accept a demotion).

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

My opinion? Omark is perfect Hemsky insurance and the Oilers should find a way to get him back into the lineup. I understand staying the course when the team is winning, and also understand Ales Hemsky is back soon and that will mean someone coming out of the linup--a lineup that already excludes Omark.

If enough wingers have passed Omark on the depth chart, then dealing him is the prudent thing to do; he's not going to sign here to be a HS for the NHL team next year. So, with free agency ahead, what do the Oilers do? I would hope they resolve the Hemsky situation one way or another before the deadline and then trade or elevate Omark based on the Hemsky conclusion.

I don't think Omark makes it to the deadline. Some NHL team is going to acquire a player with impressive skills and a burr under his saddle. He does have some work to do, but I can see a team like Detroit teaching him the things required to stay in the lineup.

I don't think Steve Tambellini gets 100 cents on the dollar. Linus Omark is far more valuable than his original draft number.

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#1 Yuckie
November 01 2011, 07:05AM
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Being overseas has it's perks. Like being up when every one else is sleeping for my first fist.

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#2 shanetrain
November 01 2011, 08:09AM
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#3 1983 and This Year
November 01 2011, 10:51AM
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I think we really need to give up on the dream that is getting the Predators Captain for our spare parts which we are clearly valuing WAY too much. Gagner/Omark and Hemsky for him? Try MPS, Smid/Whitney and next year's first rounder just to have them take a long look at dealing with us.

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#4 OILERSORDEATH
November 01 2011, 09:39AM
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I'd like to see O'mark replace Jones on that line simply because to many times I noticed Jones would have the puck with a lot of ice to work with but just cant make the play. Jones needs to be a 3rd or 4th line guy, not a first or second.

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#5 Dipstick
November 01 2011, 10:30AM
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Reluctantly, I'm ready to give up on Hemsky being healthy enough to re-sign. Omark can't replace a healthy Hemsky, but at this point that is no longer the question.

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#6 Jerk Store
November 01 2011, 08:37AM
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I agree it would be nice to get Linus some ice, but who do you pull out of the lineup to play O? The Oil have won 5 straight. Gagner and Eager did not have training camps and to me look like they are finally getting up to speed. Paajarvi has not done anything offensively but he has looked great at times and is responsible defensively. Lander has done everything asked of him. Belanger, while his offensive well has seemingly run dry is killing it in the dot and PK. And Petrell leads the team in hits and is a PK mensch. So who does that leave, Jones?

I am not an Omark hater but I do not see who he bumps from this lineup. Do you sacrifice messing with a winning lineup to potentially increase a guys trade value? A risky proposition, unless he scores, which is far from a slam dunk. It is indeed a problem . . . . which I suppose the whole point of your article.

So using your logic that this should be done prior to Hemsky's return why not just "pretend" Omark is "Hemsky"? - somewhere Arch just burst a blood vessel in his brain. Note I said pretend. What I would do, with my vast years of NHL coaching experience would be to leave the kids obviously, play Smyth - Horcoff - Omark (dressed in a Hemsky Halloween costume) as your second line, Third line would become Gagner (C) - Paajarvi - Jones and 4th line of Petrell - Belanger - Eager. Sorry Lander but you are really the only guy who can be sent down. Risky move, but barring injury Omark either sits or this is how it plays out. My two cents.

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#7 Yuckie
November 01 2011, 07:14AM
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I was impressed with the level of try that Omark exhibited last season. That, and a few flashes of brilliance, makes me think that perhaps the level of return would be greater if Gagner were on the way out instead of Omark. I've always been a Gagner supporter but with Belanger and RNH in the fold, finding an appropriate spot for Gagner is more difficult. Plus Gagner should return more in terms of assets than Omark.

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#8 A-Mc
November 01 2011, 08:47AM
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I like Omark. I'm having a hard time with the fact that he's in the press box so often. There are a significant number of players that aren't contributing any offense for the team thus far, so it seems rather unlikely to me that lines are unable to be shuffled to give Omark a chance to prove himself.

when it comes to trades: Gagner or Omark, I'd trade Gagner if in a few weeks he cant seem to get his Act together.

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#9 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 08:54AM
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TrentonL wrote:

The Oilers have to look at demoting Lander before giving up on Omark, upon Hemsky's return. While he has held his own more-or less, he has to provide more to hold a position. 6th option on the PK, and Cogliano bad at faceoffs with no offence does not justify getting rid of a guy who scored at a 43 point pace in his 1st NHL season. Lander will be a big part of the future, I am sure but could use some AHL seasoning. This team will at some point soon need more than two lines that can contribute offensively, as the goaltending will not stay this hot all season. Once Jones is not on the Smyth line, I would expect a quick fall-off in his play. Not sure why the Paajarvi-Belanger-Omark line didn't work when tried but these guys have shown ability to provide more secondary offense than they have put up this season. The Swedes with Gagner, was a disaster last season as well so obviously a tough decision on how to make up lines 3 and 4.

The problem with your assessment with Lander is he is being played on the 4th line and playing that role exceedingly well. He backchecks with ferocity, plays with a lot of jam and seems to get under the skin of opposing teams. For the role he's playing he seems NHL ready to me. Also, I don't recall his write-ups ever mentioning stellar scoring talent. More that he is a two-way defensive, energy guy (like a young Peca).

Him and Omark aren't good comparables and can't be swapped so easily IMO.

Also most people around here who champion the return of Omark suggest the Swede line. That keeps lander and pushes out either Gagner or Belanger (or someone else if Gags stays on the wing).

I'm not sure you can put Belanger between MP and Omark long term... he's too slow to keep up and doesn't have the offensive flare. And you're right Gagner doesn't look great with them either... It's a real pickle.

But... i'm not sure Lander sliding out solves the problem... because

1) he's not really playing an offensive role right now... and is playing his role well

2) if you take him out who centers the MP/Omark line? he'd seem like the best option for that line anyway.

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#10 Aendayana
November 01 2011, 09:47AM
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I think in Detroit's case its just the different team philosophy. In the 90s they were top three in terms of spending money and obviously their prospects did not have to make immediate impacts ( free agents filled voids more than here ever). I think the Oilers just need to really think long-term for the franchise and the player. What does this mean?

1. Hemsky - get him healthy and see what the player wants. if he wants to remain an Oiler, try to re-sign him at a good number. If not, use him as a trade chip

2. Omark - he needs to play. Sitting him in the pressbox is not the answer. He is not like Schremp or Pouliot or O'Sullivan. This guy actually tries hard and does have considerable skill.

3. Paajarvi - he is still too young and probably feels out of his element. This is the reason why I think we should let him play with his countrymen.

4. Gagner - I believe his upside is still very good. He should probably be on the wing for this season as there are better alternatives for the centre position. I don't think we should give him up yet.

I agree that the 2 most likely trades are Hemsky and Omark. But you don't want to trade them for less what they are worth.

As for screwing with team chemistry because we are winning. Are you guys kidding me? Who doesn't believe we are lucky to have this record? I mean goaltending is off trhe charts. Last year we would have lost some of these games and we'd be probably below .500 with our scoring. It is unsustaniable. If we want to keep this up, we need more scoring. Omark is an offensive player I think we all agree. Plus the effect he may have on MPS.

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#11 closetgm
November 01 2011, 12:36PM
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What you guys are failing to understand is that Omark is really close to 60 games. Once he reaches that point he will have to clear waivers to go down. There is no doubt he will be claimed if that happens. The Oilers are just trying to manage him properly so they dont lose him for nothing. If that wasnt the case i see no reason why he doesnt rotate into the line up once in a while to take Jones' or Paarjarvis spot. MPS has been great defensively but his affense could use a little tweaking, a couple of games in the press box would not hurt him. I think we would have seen this already if Omark wasnt so close to 60 games. I think Omark is spare parts on the Oilers right now, but more than likely he would be a key player on another team. If columbus is offering a third rounder for him and thats all we are going to get i say keep him he is worth way more than that.

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#12 Crash
November 01 2011, 03:53PM
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David S wrote:

Petrell >>> Eager.

Kid Line

Horc-Smyth-Hemsky

MPS-Gagner-Omark

Jones/Petrell-Belanger-Lander(plays wing)

PB/spares - Eager, Hordichuk, Petrell

I think the call is between Jones and Petrell. Although I have to say Petrell is looking better all the time. It all depends on team strategy. Can Hemsky play a defensive role or be an offensive component of a defensively-minded checking line?

But at the end of the day (and like others have said) Omark is Hemsky insurance. Poor guy is going to be in limbo until Hemsky is either signed or dealt.

IMO there's zero chance that Omark can be classified as Hemsky insurance....he'll never be even close to as good as Hemsky is when he's healthy.

You ask an interesting question with regards to Hemsky playing a defensive role or to being an offensive component of a defense minded line. I don't get why so many automatically assume why Hemsky should just slide into the line with Horcoff and Smyth. IMO Jones has fit in there nicely and I see no reason to break those 3 up. They are doing a pretty good job of lining up against other teams scoring lines.

I'd like to see:

Kid Line

Smyth/Horcoff/Jones

Paajarvi/Gagner/Hemsky

Petrell/Belanger/Eager

This gives the team 2 really good scoring line options and 1 really good shutdown line as opposed to wasting Hemsky's offense while trying to shutdown the oppositions scoring line. Belanger can pick up extra minutes killing penalties and taking key faceoffs in the defensive zone or when they need a faceoff win with the extra attacker.

Just my two cents

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#13 Bill Rizer
November 01 2011, 07:08AM
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I fell short again.

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#15 BingBong
November 01 2011, 07:22AM
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I'd definately be hanging on to Omark if I'm Tambo, at least at this point in time. We're playing well right now, and Hemsky is due back on this road trip, but there's no doubt we'll need a foward to come into the lineup at some point. Maybe after this season - or the trade deadline - we'll have a better idea of what we need/don't need. But his salary, skill and effort make him worth hanging on to.

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#16 shanetrain
November 01 2011, 08:03AM
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Yuckie wrote:

I was impressed with the level of try that Omark exhibited last season. That, and a few flashes of brilliance, makes me think that perhaps the level of return would be greater if Gagner were on the way out instead of Omark. I've always been a Gagner supporter but with Belanger and RNH in the fold, finding an appropriate spot for Gagner is more difficult. Plus Gagner should return more in terms of assets than Omark.

I agree with this 100%.

With the surplus of talented small guys the time is now to strike!

Any combo of Hemsky, Gagner and perhaps a young Dman for Mr Shea Weber would get this ship cruising? How could Poile resist?

I would hate to see Omark leave right now. Although older, I see Omark being a more effective player than Sam.

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#17 justDOit
November 01 2011, 08:06AM
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Treena just posting that Columbus is offering a 3rd rnd pick for O!. That would be on the low side for a return IMO.

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#18 david_
November 01 2011, 08:10AM
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The problem is even getting to trade deadline. The article makes a good point about the numbers, but I wouldn't necessarily just focus on Omark. Depending on what the return can be, we have to consider one or more of Hemsky, Gagner, or Omark. Not crazy about parting with any one of them, but something has to give...

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#19 justDOit
November 01 2011, 08:13AM
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shanetrain wrote:

I wish 'Treena' would just post naked.

That would be more productive. She(he?) hasn't been right about anything since... July 1? But here I am, still checking those tweets.

And no news on Sutton yet? How long does it take Shanny to produce those punishment videos, anyway?

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#20 justDOit
November 01 2011, 08:15AM
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david_ wrote:

The problem is even getting to trade deadline. The article makes a good point about the numbers, but I wouldn't necessarily just focus on Omark. Depending on what the return can be, we have to consider one or more of Hemsky, Gagner, or Omark. Not crazy about parting with any one of them, but something has to give...

I would agree - this can't go on long enough to get to the deadline.

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#21 TrentonL
November 01 2011, 08:22AM
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The Oilers have to look at demoting Lander before giving up on Omark, upon Hemsky's return. While he has held his own more-or less, he has to provide more to hold a position. 6th option on the PK, and Cogliano bad at faceoffs with no offence does not justify getting rid of a guy who scored at a 43 point pace in his 1st NHL season. Lander will be a big part of the future, I am sure but could use some AHL seasoning. This team will at some point soon need more than two lines that can contribute offensively, as the goaltending will not stay this hot all season. Once Jones is not on the Smyth line, I would expect a quick fall-off in his play. Not sure why the Paajarvi-Belanger-Omark line didn't work when tried but these guys have shown ability to provide more secondary offense than they have put up this season. The Swedes with Gagner, was a disaster last season as well so obviously a tough decision on how to make up lines 3 and 4.

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#22 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 01 2011, 08:24AM
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Yuckie wrote:

Being overseas has it's perks. Like being up when every one else is sleeping for my first fist.

Congrats Yukie!

Way to make use of your competitive advantage!

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#23 Oiler Country
November 01 2011, 08:26AM
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Bang on Lowetide!!

Omark belongs on this team and they should look at him as Hemsky 2, smaller, but almost as skilled. His defensive shortcomings can be fixed because, to me, it's not all that glaring. He just needs to learn and fix the problems.

The problem I do foresee is Omark has an ego, a large one. Will he allow his ego to be dropped a peg or two to see that there are issues to his overall game?

Time will tell, but agreed. Omark is an oiler and should remain that way!

One thing is for sure. Drop Omark and we'll (we'll as in the oilers faithful and oilers organization) regret it.

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#24 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 08:42AM
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A decision needs to be made. I just hope the Oil think it through long-term. The oilers have a glut of smallish, skilled forwards some of whom have emerged as world-class players that you can build a team around (the kid line most noticably) the others need to be evaluated both as individual players and as a group moving forward.

The Oil needs to stop cycling through these types of players - off the top my head the last few years we've boasted O'Sullivan, Nilsson, Schremp, Lupul, Cogliano and the list goes on (those are only the players that have moved on, we still have a bundle of these types of players in the system - O'Marra, Brule, Omark, etc, etc.)

Some of these players simply aren't going to make the NHL anywhere, some won't make it in Oiler colors... I just hope we stop cycling through them seemingly hoping one or two will catch fire. We need to take a global perspective: what does the team need, which set of players best addresses that need; recognize that and move toward that goal with vigor!

It just doesn't seem like we are moving with purpose. Instead it looks like we are shooting fish in a barrel with this type of player and the individual situation with Omark tells a tale. THere is no way he is on a path to success sitting on the bench. Put him on a path to success in the organization or figure out a way to maximize the returns for him (and a 3rd round pick for an NHL ready forward with flash isn't going to do it).

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#25 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 09:03AM
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Point of order:

can I get a ruling on who has to pass waivers to get sent down

and

who can opt to return to Europe if they don't like their station over here??

It's is hard to game out situations without this knowledge at the ready.

On a related note, would it be possible to beef-up the Numbers site with more information of this nature. a kind of all-purpose resource? There's a lot of technical stuff about contracts and on-ice rules that as a fan I have only a slim grasp of... (i know I can get this elsewhere... but c'mon, i'm lazy and i like it here...)

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#26 Aendayana
November 01 2011, 09:06AM
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I think we all agree we would not get full value on Omark if we dealt him now. So that leaves either play him to showcase him or work with him to shape him into a contributing member of this hockey team. How you ask? I still don't get why we don't let the swedish kids play together. This game (as pretty much everything in life is) is all about confidence and while we have no qualms about about putting the other kids together, there seems to be a resistance to do it with these guys. I just don't understand why not give it a try, at least for getting Paajarvi going. Right now, we have the Smitty line doing great secondary scoring, eventually we'll need an other option in a couple of years. I believe MPS and Lander are building blocks for the future, players that an organization like Detroit would get great contribution out of for years. Right now though, they could achieve multiple objectives by some line shuffling. This could help Omark's trade value or get him a permanent spot on the team. Second of all this whole Hemsky vs Omark. I've always loved 83, I wasn't fortunate enough to be around for the glory days, so him, 94 and 39 were my favourites. But we have to admit Hemsky's injury problems are a big concern. I'm not sure if Omark could ever develop as well as Hemsky, but at this point he is more durable. We also do have a legit first-line so I believe 83 might have to be a better bargaining chip. Sorry for the long post. GO OILERS GO!!!

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#27 1983 and This Year
November 01 2011, 09:07AM
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If Omark is sent down he's off to the SEL. Book it. Get something back for him, Gags, or Hemsky while you can.

Oh, and I'm an Omark supporter. He fits into the long term plan more than Gags or Hemsky IMO.

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 01 2011, 09:08AM
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Trade both Hemsky and Omark (individually or together, don't matter).

Get a Dman and a D prospect in return.

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#29 book¡e
November 01 2011, 09:17AM
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The 'not changing the lineup when the team is winning' is about as logical as not changing your underwear when the team is winning, it is basically superstition.

I mean, I wouldn't want to see the team throw the lines into the blender or mix everything up, but swapping a player out is not likely to have any cost in terms of team chemistry.

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#30 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 09:21AM
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@LT

"but I can see a team like Detroit teaching him the things required to stay in the lineup."

and @Aendayana

"players that an organization like Detroit would get great contribution out of for years"

It is depressing to think that we can't manage our players and get full value out of them, but that Detroit could... I Hate That. That piggy-backs on LTs posts on Detroit's drafting and development acumen.

we need to invest in some corporate spies.

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#31 shanetrain
November 01 2011, 09:43AM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

I'd like to see O'mark replace Jones on that line simply because to many times I noticed Jones would have the puck with a lot of ice to work with but just cant make the play. Jones needs to be a 3rd or 4th line guy, not a first or second.

I think that is a great idea. Nothing wrong with Jones sittin a night or two.

I think Omark's ideal situation is to be with his fellow Sveeds.

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#32 vetinari
November 01 2011, 10:12AM
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I hate to say this, but I'd rather try to move Hemsky and Gagner for long term defensive help and to make room on the roster for Omark and Hartkainen. I love Hemmer, but he's glass and only has 40-60 games in him each year and Gagner has potential but really is between most of the Oil's needs (he's not a scoring centre, he's not a checking centre).

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#33 Jerk Store
November 01 2011, 10:23AM
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@book¡e

Au contrare. It may be a cliche, but it is truly a game of inches. Pulling a guy off a line is going to effect the chemistry of the whole line and given that the Oilers (notwithstanding the Blues) have not scored a lot of goals, they cannot afford to give up bad goal because someone was not where they were supposed to be. It is not superstion - it is pragmatic.

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#34 smiliegirl15
November 01 2011, 10:30AM
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I would rather have Omark than Gagner. I think in the long run, Omark will become the better player. Gagner will always be spare parts. Gagner should have made a spot in the lineup for himself by now. After his participation in the original "kid line" he's dropped off considerably when he should be on the rise.

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#35 FastOil
November 01 2011, 10:32AM
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I agree with you vetinari. I think Omark will point as well as Gagner and has more jam. I also think that even with Gagner producing at a second line centre rate, the team would be better served long term with someone like Pitlick there if he can score 40-50 points, because of his grit.

Running two small soft top lines could work, but I think having a second line with some physicality and talent is better for the team, and would open things up for the first line as well.

Hemsky and Gagner to the Preds for Webber. We'd even be taking salary back. With Omark in it would be a wash on offense between G and O, and Hemsky's offense isn't reliable enough to count IMO.

Next year on RW we could sport - Eberle/Omark/Harti/Pitlick. Could be worse.

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#36 DieHard
November 01 2011, 10:59AM
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Tough on Omark to be sitting. I think he should switch off with Jones for a few games and see what transpires. Also, it is nice to have a few guys sitting that could/should be playing. Injuries/suspensions will come and Omark, Jones and whoever else is on the team will get their chance.

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#37 FastOil
November 01 2011, 11:06AM
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MPI you might be right, but we saw last year surprising deals get done. It comes down need and other pressures. As fans we can't be privy to a lot of it.

The Preds are under a lot more pressure to win than the Oilers because of money, need offense, and are likely losing Webber anyway because he signed a one year deal with them.

I'd put Whitney in that deal no problem and take salary back. Not that he isn't really good, but if we could unload two glass players and a guy projecting as good but not great, for one of the league's best right D, that works for me.

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#38 Evilas
November 01 2011, 11:11AM
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I think the Tre Kronor line would bring a lot to the table. The area that need to be improved on this team is puck possession, so that by game 30 both tenders and 3 or 4 defensemen are not walking bruises to the overdose of rubber they face every game.

With Hemsky's return, he will have to play with Smyth and Horc, Jones will be a 4th liner with Petrell and Belanger. I just have not seen any sustainable chemistry on the 3rd and 4rth lines this season. Last game the 4rth line showed flashes in the 3rd.

But if this team is going to sustain this success they need more than 2 lines producing. Activating the D is novel, but it shouldn't be a habit over the entire season, eventually it will burn the team IMO.

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#39 TigerUnderGlass
November 01 2011, 11:16AM
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Given the desperation evident in CLB I'd like to know what Johansen would cost. They need to improve TODAY, and Johansen doesn't help them do that.

A long term 1-2 middle of RNH-Johansen could be a beautiful thing.

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#40 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 11:19AM
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I can't believe Arch is missing out on this...

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#41 TigerUnderGlass
November 01 2011, 11:25AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I can't believe Arch is missing out on this...

Give him a minute.

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#42 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
November 01 2011, 11:33AM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Might be able to get him at .90$ on the $ or so but that still puts his price quite steep, I would believe.

My guess is they would want an established top line guy (Hemsky) and an immediate roster player with a bright upside (Gagner, maybe Omark or something like that).

Problem is I doubt CBJ would be willing to take on Hemsky given his recent injury woes. I would think he would need 20 games or so before anyone would scoop him up for fair price. Plus, he's a UFA so I doubt they give up Johansen for a rental anyway.

Other than that situation I don't see a deal happening. Other than Hemsky, they have no other established top line guys.

For the record I would do an unsigned Hemsky + Omark for a Ryan Johansen. I'm not so sure about the Hemsky + Gagner trade though... tough call.

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#43 book¡e
November 01 2011, 11:41AM
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Jerk Store wrote:

Au contrare. It may be a cliche, but it is truly a game of inches. Pulling a guy off a line is going to effect the chemistry of the whole line and given that the Oilers (notwithstanding the Blues) have not scored a lot of goals, they cannot afford to give up bad goal because someone was not where they were supposed to be. It is not superstion - it is pragmatic.

Yes, who would want to affect the chemistry of a line that is not scoring any goals, it might accidentally result in them scoring goals and that would wreck everything.

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#44 FastOil
November 01 2011, 11:44AM
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I like the cut of your jib Tiger.

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#45 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 11:45AM
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the injury narrative with Hemsky is killer... just review the last few weeks.

The surgery we were told was a ringing success. shoulder healthier/stronger than ever; feeling great, etc. problems are behind us... then, on a nothing play... boom he's injured again; oh don't worry, just a bit of tightness or whatever, we rushed him back is all... not to worry be back in the line-up in a week.... week goes by... quietly tell everyone again everything's fine... just taking longer than expected... well it's been two weeks...

I love Hemsky. I've cheered him on for years now and watched him play some amazing hockey. but if i'm a GM and I see him coming... I'm not taking the chance, unreliable.

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#46 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 01 2011, 11:52AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Given the desperation evident in CLB I'd like to know what Johansen would cost. They need to improve TODAY, and Johansen doesn't help them do that.

A long term 1-2 middle of RNH-Johansen could be a beautiful thing.

that would definitely shore up the center position (until this year a bigger problem) maybe we could bundle our centers together as part of the deal;

a kind of 4 for 1 or something (Horcoff, Gagner, Brule, O'Marra - half the other OKC forwards seem to be centers too - take as many as you want!)

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#47 FastOil
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

the injury narrative with Hemsky is killer... just review the last few weeks.

The surgery we were told was a ringing success. shoulder healthier/stronger than ever; feeling great, etc. problems are behind us... then, on a nothing play... boom he's injured again; oh don't worry, just a bit of tightness or whatever, we rushed him back is all... not to worry be back in the line-up in a week.... week goes by... quietly tell everyone again everything's fine... just taking longer than expected... well it's been two weeks...

I love Hemsky. I've cheered him on for years now and watched him play some amazing hockey. but if i'm a GM and I see him coming... I'm not taking the chance, unreliable.

Maybe it's the gambler's nature in humans, but the lust for offense will eventually blind somebody's eyes. The trick is timing and luck (that the player is healthy when the timing comes).

Oiler fans are even prey to this, and his injuries have hurt us up close and personal for years now.

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#48 D-Man
November 01 2011, 12:10PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

that would definitely shore up the center position (until this year a bigger problem) maybe we could bundle our centers together as part of the deal;

a kind of 4 for 1 or something (Horcoff, Gagner, Brule, O'Marra - half the other OKC forwards seem to be centers too - take as many as you want!)

As much as I like Johansen, I heard that Columbus just moved him to the right wing and is happy with his play. There's no way, they'd move him... The name that keeps popping up there is Vermette.

It also sounds like Howson still has the support of the ownership group, so he's not dealing any of his big names away either... But with that said, alot could change should they win only 2 more of their next 10 games...

Hemsky and our 2nd round pick for Fedor Tyutin and Columbus's 1st round pick??

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#49 A-Mc
November 01 2011, 12:44PM
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My Idea of the Swede line is definitely all 3 of them: Prv, Lander, Omark.

The biggest Questions here with regards to the swedes is really regarding 2 of the 3. Lander has proved his usefulness in more ways than 1. Given what he's done thus far and that he's not worth Millions right now, i think it's a given that he stays.

Paajarvi and Omark have been lost in different ways. Paajarvi hasn't seemed to build any chemistry with the lines Renney is putting him on thus far in the regular season. The only time Paajarvi has done what we all want him to do, is when he was with Lander and Omark. Unfortunately for us, we only saw this in the preseason. Omark is lost due to Renney seemingly refusing to play him. Sitting in the press box isn't giving Omark a fair chance at proving his worth to the team. We cannot sit here and discuss his chemistry with other players because he hasn't been given the opportunity to build any.

Give the Swedes a chance to win us over. Let them play together for a short while and see what comes of it. The worst case scenario is that they continue to sit with 0's on the score sheet.

I want someone to drill Renney about these guys. Sporadic questions aren't getting him to commit to why he refuses to play Tre K.

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#50 Jerk Store
November 01 2011, 12:50PM
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@book¡e

People forget scoring is 1/2 the game. Actually less than half as not getting scored on is just as important plus special teams play. Tell me oh sage one, who are you prepared to pull out of this line up to play a guy who does not have a point and is a defensive liability? Understand I also want to either a) See if Omark can play or b) increase his trade value. But tinkering with a winning lineup makes one a member of the "not smart" club. As a coach why would you want to open yourself up to that and potentially lose the momentum you have? Easy to say when it is not your job on the line.

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