GDB: 21.0: WELCOME TO SMASHVILLE

Jason Gregor
November 22 2011 01:47PM

The Oilers woke up in Smashville (Nashville) this morning, but they probably felt like they were there last night. The Stars punished the Oilers physically last night, and the Oilers were unable to handle it. The biggest farce in the NHL is the inconsistency from building-to-building regarding hits. Whoever was tracking them last night gave the Stars 47 hits and the Oilers 33. That is ridiculous.

Of course the "hits" statistician in Dallas is the most overzealous/bias/kool-aid drinking in the league. For the past five years no NHL team has had a bigger margin of hits-at-home to hits-on-the-road than the Stars. From 2006-2011 the Stars had 564, 482, 209, 452, 492 and 416 more hits at home than on the road.

It is embarrassing that the league doesn't send a memo to Dallas to understand what a hit is. They are so out of whack it's mind-blowing.

           Season         Hits at home            Hits on road              Total hits
DALL 2006                    1163 (+561)            559                         1722
EDM  2006                     602                         601                         1203
DALL 2007                    1076 (+431)            594                         1670
EDM  2007                     645                         653                         1298
DALL 2008                     914 (+396)             705                         1619
EDM  2008                     520                         610                         1130
DALL 2009                    1264 (+640)            812                         2076
EDM  2009                     624                         769                         1393
DALL 2010                    1416 (+659)            922                         2338
EDM  2010                     757                         809                         1566
DALL 2011                    1314 (+405)            898                         2212
EDM  2011                     909                         885                         1794

The road numbers are fairly close between the Stars and the Oilers, but the difference at home is frightening. Did the Stars really deliver 405 more hits at home last year, yet only 13 more on the road than the Oilers. No chance. If the NHL wants people to take their stats more serious, then they need to have better guidlines and ensure they enforce those guidelines.   

That being said, even with a statistician who thinks every bump is a hit, it was clear the Stars out hit the Oilers last night.

The sad reality for Oiler fans is that likely won't change any time soon.

Please don't expect Darcy Hordichuk, in five minutes of icetime, to somehow stop the opposing team from delivering clean, hard hits. It won't happen. Hordichuk had three hits in five minutes, and Colten Teubert once again led the hit parade with 6, but the fact is the Oilers don't have many physical players.

Expecting your fourth line to match the physical play of the entire other team is wishful thinking.

The Oilers don't have anyone in their top-nine who is a consistent physical player, so you can't expect the Oilers to respond physically. The Oilers will beat teams with their speed, quickness and skill, but if they get into a physical game they are overmatched.

Last night's outcome could have changed on one play. Had Ryan Smyth been able to bury that wide open wraparound, the game would have been tied at one. Steve Ott wouldn't have scored on the ensuing rush, because the faceoff would have been at centre, and who knows what would have happened. The Oilers will be in games because they have skill, but no one should expect them to respond with lots of physical play, because they just don't have the manpower for that.

Teubert has looked good, and he'll be a guy who hits everyone like Mark Fistric did last night, but right now he's only playing 11-12 minutes a night. Theo Peckham was that guy last year, but he is struggling mightily right now. Andy Sutton is physical, but if he's in then one of Peckham or Teubert will be out, and that still only leaves two guys who play more than ten minutes/game.

The frustrating part of a rebuild for the fans is when reality sets in like in did last night. The Oilers have filled a few voids, improved special teams and faceoffs, but it's impossible to fill all the voids in one summer. The Oilers management has to realize that this team is not built to be a playoff contender, because they strictly aren't big enough, and they will need to rectify that in the coming years; likely through the draft.

Teemu Hartikainen, Tyler Pitlick and Curtis Hamilton are all skilled guys with size, but only Hartikainen might be ready next year. Pitlick could surprise and be ready, but Hamilton isn't a regular in the AHL yet, so it will be a few years before we see him.

When the Oilers come across an opponent like the Stars, and the possibly the Predators tonight, their PP has to score for them to stay in the game. The Oilers were outshot 30-12 at EV last night, but they had over 10 minutes of PP time and couldn't score. They've been very good with the man advantage this year, especially at home, but when they face an aggessive team they need to make them pay with the extra attacker.

So far this year the Oilers have 17 EV/SH goals at home and 16 on the road, but they've scored 13 PP goals at home compared to only 4 on the road. This team will stay competitive this year because on the PP they can use their skill, and don't have to worry as much about being hit.

QUICK TURN AROUND

The Oilers don't have time to feel sorry for themselves, because they are in NashVegas tonight to take on the surging Predators. The Preds are 6-1-3 in their last ten, with all three of those OT/SO loses coming in OT.

Rookie Craig Smith leads the Preds in points with 15, despite this awesome missed goal last week. 

I'm sure the Preds have been giving him the gears ever since, but the rookie has been solid. The Preds are still led by their big three: Shea Weber, Ryan Suter and Pekka Rinne. Weber leads the league at +19, has 14 points and plays 26:33/game. Suter is +15, has 13 points and plays a bit more at 27:16/game. No team uses their starting goalie more than Rinne. He's  started 18 of the Preds 19 games and he'll start tonight against Devan Dubnyk.

Khabibulin has come back to earth. He wasn't awful last night, but three weeks ago Toby Petersen wouldn't have scored. Dubnyk hasn't started since he gave up six in Boston on November 10th. He came off the bench v. Ottawa last week, but he hasn't had a great game since he stopped 40 of 41 in a victory over Colorado on October 28th. Dubnyk needs a solid outing, and the Oilers need him to play well if they want to avoid their 2nd loss in 24 hours.

LINE UP

Outside of Dubnyk we will see a few other changes. Taylor Chorney was sent back to OKC today, and Alex Plante has been recalled to take his place. Chorney isn't big enough to be a regular NHL D-man. If he had lots of offence you could overlook his size, but he doesn't. Plante has played 8 NHL games and registered 2 points and is an even player. He is still a prospect/suspect at this point, but he's still only 22. At least he'll bring some needed size and muscle. His footspeed is an issue, but he has really improved his competitive play the past few years.

The Oilers won't skate this morning in Nashville, so we won't know who is in or out for sure until closer to game time, but I expect Renney to juggle his roster. I could see him putting Paajarvi back in on the 3rd line and he'll maybe insert Eager. Unless he plays his 4th line more than 5-8 minutes no one should expect the Oilers to be a more physical team tonight.

QUICK HITS

  • Ales Hemsky needs to start shooting more. I know that's nothing new, but in the previous five years he's averaged 2.33 shots/game. This year he has seven shots in 8 1/3 games. (he only played a period v. Minny) He has to start becoming more of a factor in games.
     
  • I'm not saying the Oilers can't muck and grind it with other teams, but they just don't have enough big forwards who can lean on the opposition.
     
  • I understand why Renney uses Belanger to win faceoffs on the PP, but once Ryan Whitney and Corey Potter return I hope he's not out there anymore. Especially if the are changing on the fly and you don't need him to win the draw, because he doesn't have a big enough shot from the point to be effective there. Or at least, he hasn't shown it yet.
     
  • I'm curious if all those who said,"Ryan Jones is an awful hockey player," still feel that way. I find it interesting how few of them have admitted those comments might have been a touch off-base. We've all been wrong before, but I find it interesting how we haven't heard much from that camp. Or the camp who said Nugent-Hopkins was a bad pick because he only had 27 goals last year. It's okay to be wrong, I've been there, but don't think I haven't noticed how those who love to point out when others are wrong haven't said boo about their own misguided projections.
     
  • Kyle Turris might want to hire a new agent. Turris sits out training camp, the preseason and misses the first 19 games of the regular season to get $2.8 million over two years. A $1.4 cap hit sounds about right. He held out to get what he could have got in the summer. Asinine.

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Only Colorado has few home wins than the Predators, and the Oilers will have a much better effort tonight, and they'll win 3-2. Hemsky finally makes an appearance.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The cameraman will pan to Carrie Underwood at least four times, not that I'm complaining. We'll also see the TooToo Train take some healthy runs at the Oilers. Tootoo is the exact type of player the Oilers need. He plays hard, hits hard and plays over 13 minutes a night.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Sam Gagner scores his first goal of the season. I have no idea why, just a hunch. 

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#51 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:42PM
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I have a feeling the Dallas Stars do their Summer Training with these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2SUaoVy_iU

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#52 MAC962
November 22 2011, 04:43PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

And your point is exactly what ? Tell me Romeo ? What exactly does he bring to our club ?

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#53 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:45PM
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Dumba looks like the D version of tootoo... he's not huge, but he hits a ton and plays with speed and toughness... tsn had a nice profile of him last week...

who knows where we will end up in the draft.. but we need D and I imagine he's on a lot of short lists.

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#55 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 04:48PM
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sizedoesmatter wrote:

Hemksy is still having shoulder problems and he seems to be getting better every game. On the other hand Gagner is scary out there in his own end and turns over the puck way to often.I dont know why he is playing so poorly.I sure hope he can turn it around.

I think Gagner may be getting exposed for the player he truly is. With the real talent here, Gagner is being left behind.

I still think he will have a long career, another 10 years is not out of the realm of possibility, but he will have to adjust his game and rely on his head since his physical attributes don't seem to be helping him on this team.

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#57 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:55PM
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A-Mc wrote:

I didn't say he hasn't proved himself yet. i said that he's had more time in the NHL to prove himself (as opposed to Omark, so it's not fair to say Gagner > Omark). Gagner looked to be a consistent 40pt guy but this year he's falling off for whatever reason. To compare Gagner to Omark is quite difficult because OMark hasn't been afford the opportunity to Prove himself yet.

As for my comments on straight up player vs player skills, i definitely hold to those. I Legitimately see more Promise in Omark than Gagner, but only time will tell which player is more valuable.

ps: I get the sense that Arch is steering clear of these discussions because he knows his Gagner LEGITIMATELY isn't playing well this year.

Fair enough. I was trying to clear that up... people tend to blur the past, present and potential future a lot around here. I just wanted to be sure what you were saying.

Where I agree with you is that it's too early to tell... because we haven't seen much of Omark and Gags is clearly in a funk so its hard to extrapolate much out from his start to the season... also, I'm not convinced - despite the omnipresence of the comparison - that this is the best comparison to be made for these players.

That said, I disagree with you... I would give Gags the edge based on body of work, pedigree and youth.

as an aside, I guess i challenged you because it's hard not to fall into default positions with this argument... hell, it's hard not to fall into the argument at all!! it's practically unavoidable around here... and i wasn't clear that you weren't simply saying "Gags is terrible".. you aren't so... clarified!

also, I imagine Arch is just tired of repeating himself.

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#58 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 22 2011, 04:55PM
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MAC962 wrote:

And your point is exactly what ? Tell me Romeo ? What exactly does he bring to our club ?

How about offense to what has been (and outside of 1 game this year still has been) one of the lower scoring teams in the league.

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#59 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 04:59PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

He's an opportunistic goal scorer. That's why he pots so many on breakaways/PK.

I think we all know stats don't tell the whole story.

Keep an eye on him tonight specifically. Watch him forecheck, make the "right" pass, chip and chase, etc. More often he kills the play or is just ineffective.

I don't mind Jones, but saying he IS a good player is even more misguided.

Double post...so I will post something of value....-ish.

I don't think the Preds have any former Oilers in their lineup tonight, so that should be at least 1 less goal against tonight.

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#60 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 04:59PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

He's an opportunistic goal scorer. That's why he pots so many on breakaways/PK.

I think we all know stats don't tell the whole story.

Keep an eye on him tonight specifically. Watch him forecheck, make the "right" pass, chip and chase, etc. More often he kills the play or is just ineffective.

I don't mind Jones, but saying he IS a good player is even more misguided.

I would have agreed with you at the beginning of the season, but after watching, I see the value in his $2M contract.

He is speedy, defensively responsible, dangerous on the PK, can be slotted in from 4th line to 2nd line without missing a beat, he has the ability to finish, and he goes all-out, all the time. He would be a good fit on any team*

He isn't putting up 60 points, but he can score on a breakaway and has good hands around the net.

I suggest you keep an eye on him and see all of the little things he does.

*Except Nashville, since they, you know, waived him. But any team would love this type of player.

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#61 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 22 2011, 04:59PM
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So you are ripping him for being a timely scorer? Why does it matter how he scores, as long as he scores. No pictures on the score sheet.

He is a dump and chase player usually, not a flashy guy like 83, 93, 14, 4, 91 or even 89...but you can't have all flashy.

And considering he is in the top 1% of players in the world it is not misguided to say he is a good player. He's in the NHL, he is good. He isn't great, and not naturally talented, but he plays an effective game, which makes him good.

I'm really suprised so many people are still hanging onto the anti-Jones bit.

We've got to be to the point now where his shooting % isn't considerd a fluke anymore after 200 games, and he's doing great work on the PK.

If you can pot 12+ goals and be a solid PK'er, you don't need to be that great everywhere else to be a decent bottom 6'er.

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#62 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 05:11PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'm really suprised so many people are still hanging onto the anti-Jones bit.

We've got to be to the point now where his shooting % isn't considerd a fluke anymore after 200 games, and he's doing great work on the PK.

If you can pot 12+ goals and be a solid PK'er, you don't need to be that great everywhere else to be a decent bottom 6'er.

You nailed it. He isn't a top 6. He is a bottom 6 player that can play top-six in a pinch.

And he loves being an Oiler..... can't track that with stats.

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#63 Jerk Store
November 22 2011, 05:21PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Dumba looks like the D version of tootoo... he's not huge, but he hits a ton and plays with speed and toughness... tsn had a nice profile of him last week...

who knows where we will end up in the draft.. but we need D and I imagine he's on a lot of short lists.

Love the WHL version of Dumba. Agree kid hits a ton and has an excellent shot / offensive instincts. Only concern is I don't think he has grown much in the last two years and wallpapering teen-agers is a lot different than handling men. Could turn out to be Dion Phaneuf / could be a small Shaun Belle.

To be clear I love watching the kid, just not convinced his game translates to the next level. Hope I am wrong. If it works out he IS exciting. Also Props to the kid for the following reason - he backs up the swagger and drops the gloves after he destroys people unlike Dionne, er ..... Dion. Poser.

I am guessing that Oil have Reinhart ahead of Dumba. But you are right depends who is avaialble when they pick. Tons of good D available.

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#64 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 05:23PM
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MAC962 wrote:

And your point is exactly what ? Tell me Romeo ? What exactly does he bring to our club ?

No problem Juliet!

Now, I've gone through this before for your fellow travellers, but hell... once more into the breach!

Short answer: the guy is a play maker, he brings offence, RE: scores points

Long answer: I sense you don't believe me... you don't see the goals go in, or the plays being made. A simple "open your eyes" won't do it.

Ok...

This year: The guy has played 8 full games and is 9th on the team in scoring after coming off injury, missing TC, most of the exhibition games and reinjury. In half the games he has outscored Gags, Belanger, MP, Lander, Eager, Petrell. He is under his career average of being shy of a point per game player, but the sample is small and he is producing.

Career: Last season he had 42 points in 47 games! he finished 4th on the team in scoring playing only half the games!!!

09-10: 22 points in 22 games!!

08-09: 66 points in 72 games. best on the team by 13; 46th in the league

07-08: 71 points in 74 games. best on the team by 21. 37th in the league

06-07: 53 points in 64 games. tied for best on team. 111th in the league

05-06: 77 points in 81 games. best on team. 34th in the league

so... you were saying... that the guy who has been our best player for over half a decade is... ???

I don't get the beef people have with him. Scoring points in the NHL is near impossible, it's an incredibly rare and special thing... Hemsky does it.

There is no way the team is better when he is off the ice. NO WAY!! WRONG!

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#65 Westcoastoil
November 22 2011, 05:27PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I'm with RA - If Dallas didn't think Hemsky was all that important, why did they spend the game focusing on trying to permanently implant him into the glass, more so than any of our other forwards.

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#66 Jerk Store
November 22 2011, 05:32PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I don't know R.A. I have to respect the Hemsky Haters who don't let the facts stand in the way of their opinion. It is commendable.

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#67 common sense
November 22 2011, 05:33PM
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Next to winning games especially blowing teams out 9-2,it is especially satisfying to see a few big hits on the opposition. You get a few hits going your way and that engages the entire team in a positive manner. Sure fast skating and pp goals win games but don't underestimate what some big hits from your tough guys can do to motivate the entire team as well as make your fans a little happy.

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#68 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 05:37PM
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@Jerk Store

Not sure how much stock you put in Craig... but here's his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

he's got Dumba ahead of Reinhart. But even if that was objectively the case, we know that doesn't matter, teams often pick who they want/need and not based on best player available.

LT mentioned that the Oil were interested in Reinhart and I don't doubt it. It makes sense too: he already plays with Gernat and they can see him whenever they want... also the kids a monster at 17... he's going to be huge... (again though you are right... who knows where we will even pick)

that said... little guys like Dumba seem to thrive off being told they can't make it because of their size. T. Fleury is still my favorite example.

Dumba will be a treat to watch who ever rolls the dice with him - I hope he plays for Canada this winter.

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#70 RexLibris
November 22 2011, 05:45PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I have a feeling the Dallas Stars do their Summer Training with these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2SUaoVy_iU

I think Lowetide would call that the Stan Weir Workout video.

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#71 jackstar
November 22 2011, 05:48PM
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NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: smid scores to even the game with an assist going to hordichuk.

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#72 jackstar
November 22 2011, 05:51PM
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well shoot. I didn't read the lines before commenting and now my prediction wont be true. I really thought today was the day smid was breaking out of it. but with out hordichuk in the lineup i guess it just isnt going to happen :P

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#73 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 05:53PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Lines for tonight...

94-93-14 4-10-83 89-20-28 91-57-55

FIRE UP THE RENDER!

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#74 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 05:53PM
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The Weir Special:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rngu_cxc99E

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#75 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 05:56PM
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@jackstar

Your first instinct was right... Before every game I'm convinced my star will top the score sheet and no one can say he hasn't (yet).

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#76 Jerk Store
November 22 2011, 05:57PM
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Not sure what Craig knows, but undeniably more than me. No question about Dumba's cache and entertainment factor. His hits as a 16 or 17 year old are Scott Stevens-like. If anyone is not familiar with the kid, U-tube some of his hits, makes Rock'em Sock'em look like Ice Capades. As mentioned will see what Oil end up with but would be shocked if not a D.

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#77 Rama Lama
November 22 2011, 06:02PM
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Lowe and Tamby do not like big physical players. This has been particularly evident at the draft table. We need big players that can play with our smaller players and not concentrated on the fourth line.........that is no deterrent at all.

Picture a Kessler or Lucic playing on our top two lines riding shotgun, creating space, and being the physical deterrent we so desperately need!

Lowe and Tamby do not understand this so nothing will change until someone takes out our top players..........time to get rid of the most overrated president and GM in the NHL.

Someone please tell me why we signed Belenger again?

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#78 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 06:04PM
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Umm, to win faceoffs and help on the PK... one of the things we had been lacking in the last few years ;)

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#79 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:07PM
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http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/93702/4/watch-nashville-predators-vs-edmonton-oilers.html

Link to a surprisingly good stream if anyone needs it....

...surprisingly good :)

Try the different links.... some are better than others

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#80 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:15PM
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Wanyes bastard child wrote:

Umm, to win faceoffs and help on the PK... one of the things we had been lacking in the last few years ;)

I notice you don't mention "Play the point on the PP"

You know why? Because that isn't why he was signed... so why does T-Ren insist on playing him there when there is a perfectly good PRV trying to get his game going.

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#81 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 06:18PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

not sure... but no doubt when whitney or potter comes back you won't have to worry about that ... it's sub-optimal, renney knows that

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#82 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:20PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Lowe and Tamby do not like big physical players. This has been particularly evident at the draft table. We need big players that can play with our smaller players and not concentrated on the fourth line.........that is no deterrent at all.

Picture a Kessler or Lucic playing on our top two lines riding shotgun, creating space, and being the physical deterrent we so desperately need!

Lowe and Tamby do not understand this so nothing will change until someone takes out our top players..........time to get rid of the most overrated president and GM in the NHL.

Someone please tell me why we signed Belenger again?

So you want a big, physical, skilled, top-six player?

~Why hasn't anyone thought of that? I'll go down to the dominant power-forward store and pick one up for us.~

That is the type of player EVERY team wants. Not easy to find.

While I'm at the store, I'll see if they have any big, physical, skilled, puck-moving defensemen that can play 29 mins a night in stock ;p

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#83 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 06:23PM
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WHIFCOFF!!!!!!

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#84 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:23PM
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Wow.... someone shot the puck and lookie what happens!

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#85 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 06:23PM
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yep... the preds were definitely "playing a passive box"

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#86 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 06:24PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

I notice you don't mention "Play the point on the PP"

You know why? Because that isn't why he was signed... so why does T-Ren insist on playing him there when there is a perfectly good PRV trying to get his game going.

Thats what he was signed for, I have no say how the coach uses him eh :P

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#87 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
November 22 2011, 06:24PM
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~That Horcoff is not an NHLer. He sucks, get rid of him~

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#88 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 06:25PM
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@The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33

Yeah, always whiffing on the puck, boooooooo!

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#89 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:27PM
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The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33 wrote:

~That Horcoff is not an NHLer. He sucks, get rid of him~

Terrible! Send him to the minors! Or better yet, fire him altogether. He brings nothing to the team.

EDIT: AND THAT CONTRACT!

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#90 Shaun Doe
November 22 2011, 06:27PM
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Does anyone else notice that the Sportsnet audio sounds like it is being recorded in someones living room?

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#91 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
November 22 2011, 06:29PM
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~What does Hemsky bring to the team again. That guy sucks too. Send him away with Horcoff~

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#92 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:29PM
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WOOOOOOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Hemsky is smooth like buttah!

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#93 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 06:30PM
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@MAC962

~yea... you're right Hemsky sucks; what a terrible goal~

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#94 justDOit
November 22 2011, 06:31PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Well let's start this now then: Gags is too SMALL to make it in the NHL!

(please, everyone join in)

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#95 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
November 22 2011, 06:32PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

yeah and i hear his trophy wife didn't even place

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#96 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 06:32PM
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HEMSQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

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#97 Jerk Store
November 22 2011, 06:34PM
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93 playing D. Where the fu ... Flip .. were Teubert and Plante?.

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#98 Wäx Män Riley
November 22 2011, 06:37PM
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OMFG!! EEEBBBBZZZZZ!!!! Woot Woot!

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#99 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 06:37PM
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eat a dick tootoo... that's how you punish a rougher team!!!

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#100 Wanyes bastard child
November 22 2011, 06:40PM
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EBERSQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

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