GDB: 21.0: WELCOME TO SMASHVILLE

Jason Gregor
November 22 2011 01:47PM

The Oilers woke up in Smashville (Nashville) this morning, but they probably felt like they were there last night. The Stars punished the Oilers physically last night, and the Oilers were unable to handle it. The biggest farce in the NHL is the inconsistency from building-to-building regarding hits. Whoever was tracking them last night gave the Stars 47 hits and the Oilers 33. That is ridiculous.

Of course the "hits" statistician in Dallas is the most overzealous/bias/kool-aid drinking in the league. For the past five years no NHL team has had a bigger margin of hits-at-home to hits-on-the-road than the Stars. From 2006-2011 the Stars had 564, 482, 209, 452, 492 and 416 more hits at home than on the road.

It is embarrassing that the league doesn't send a memo to Dallas to understand what a hit is. They are so out of whack it's mind-blowing.

           Season         Hits at home            Hits on road              Total hits
DALL 2006                    1163 (+561)            559                         1722
EDM  2006                     602                         601                         1203
DALL 2007                    1076 (+431)            594                         1670
EDM  2007                     645                         653                         1298
DALL 2008                     914 (+396)             705                         1619
EDM  2008                     520                         610                         1130
DALL 2009                    1264 (+640)            812                         2076
EDM  2009                     624                         769                         1393
DALL 2010                    1416 (+659)            922                         2338
EDM  2010                     757                         809                         1566
DALL 2011                    1314 (+405)            898                         2212
EDM  2011                     909                         885                         1794

The road numbers are fairly close between the Stars and the Oilers, but the difference at home is frightening. Did the Stars really deliver 405 more hits at home last year, yet only 13 more on the road than the Oilers. No chance. If the NHL wants people to take their stats more serious, then they need to have better guidlines and ensure they enforce those guidelines.   

That being said, even with a statistician who thinks every bump is a hit, it was clear the Stars out hit the Oilers last night.

The sad reality for Oiler fans is that likely won't change any time soon.

Please don't expect Darcy Hordichuk, in five minutes of icetime, to somehow stop the opposing team from delivering clean, hard hits. It won't happen. Hordichuk had three hits in five minutes, and Colten Teubert once again led the hit parade with 6, but the fact is the Oilers don't have many physical players.

Expecting your fourth line to match the physical play of the entire other team is wishful thinking.

The Oilers don't have anyone in their top-nine who is a consistent physical player, so you can't expect the Oilers to respond physically. The Oilers will beat teams with their speed, quickness and skill, but if they get into a physical game they are overmatched.

Last night's outcome could have changed on one play. Had Ryan Smyth been able to bury that wide open wraparound, the game would have been tied at one. Steve Ott wouldn't have scored on the ensuing rush, because the faceoff would have been at centre, and who knows what would have happened. The Oilers will be in games because they have skill, but no one should expect them to respond with lots of physical play, because they just don't have the manpower for that.

Teubert has looked good, and he'll be a guy who hits everyone like Mark Fistric did last night, but right now he's only playing 11-12 minutes a night. Theo Peckham was that guy last year, but he is struggling mightily right now. Andy Sutton is physical, but if he's in then one of Peckham or Teubert will be out, and that still only leaves two guys who play more than ten minutes/game.

The frustrating part of a rebuild for the fans is when reality sets in like in did last night. The Oilers have filled a few voids, improved special teams and faceoffs, but it's impossible to fill all the voids in one summer. The Oilers management has to realize that this team is not built to be a playoff contender, because they strictly aren't big enough, and they will need to rectify that in the coming years; likely through the draft.

Teemu Hartikainen, Tyler Pitlick and Curtis Hamilton are all skilled guys with size, but only Hartikainen might be ready next year. Pitlick could surprise and be ready, but Hamilton isn't a regular in the AHL yet, so it will be a few years before we see him.

When the Oilers come across an opponent like the Stars, and the possibly the Predators tonight, their PP has to score for them to stay in the game. The Oilers were outshot 30-12 at EV last night, but they had over 10 minutes of PP time and couldn't score. They've been very good with the man advantage this year, especially at home, but when they face an aggessive team they need to make them pay with the extra attacker.

So far this year the Oilers have 17 EV/SH goals at home and 16 on the road, but they've scored 13 PP goals at home compared to only 4 on the road. This team will stay competitive this year because on the PP they can use their skill, and don't have to worry as much about being hit.

QUICK TURN AROUND

The Oilers don't have time to feel sorry for themselves, because they are in NashVegas tonight to take on the surging Predators. The Preds are 6-1-3 in their last ten, with all three of those OT/SO loses coming in OT.

Rookie Craig Smith leads the Preds in points with 15, despite this awesome missed goal last week. 

I'm sure the Preds have been giving him the gears ever since, but the rookie has been solid. The Preds are still led by their big three: Shea Weber, Ryan Suter and Pekka Rinne. Weber leads the league at +19, has 14 points and plays 26:33/game. Suter is +15, has 13 points and plays a bit more at 27:16/game. No team uses their starting goalie more than Rinne. He's  started 18 of the Preds 19 games and he'll start tonight against Devan Dubnyk.

Khabibulin has come back to earth. He wasn't awful last night, but three weeks ago Toby Petersen wouldn't have scored. Dubnyk hasn't started since he gave up six in Boston on November 10th. He came off the bench v. Ottawa last week, but he hasn't had a great game since he stopped 40 of 41 in a victory over Colorado on October 28th. Dubnyk needs a solid outing, and the Oilers need him to play well if they want to avoid their 2nd loss in 24 hours.

LINE UP

Outside of Dubnyk we will see a few other changes. Taylor Chorney was sent back to OKC today, and Alex Plante has been recalled to take his place. Chorney isn't big enough to be a regular NHL D-man. If he had lots of offence you could overlook his size, but he doesn't. Plante has played 8 NHL games and registered 2 points and is an even player. He is still a prospect/suspect at this point, but he's still only 22. At least he'll bring some needed size and muscle. His footspeed is an issue, but he has really improved his competitive play the past few years.

The Oilers won't skate this morning in Nashville, so we won't know who is in or out for sure until closer to game time, but I expect Renney to juggle his roster. I could see him putting Paajarvi back in on the 3rd line and he'll maybe insert Eager. Unless he plays his 4th line more than 5-8 minutes no one should expect the Oilers to be a more physical team tonight.

QUICK HITS

  • Ales Hemsky needs to start shooting more. I know that's nothing new, but in the previous five years he's averaged 2.33 shots/game. This year he has seven shots in 8 1/3 games. (he only played a period v. Minny) He has to start becoming more of a factor in games.
     
  • I'm not saying the Oilers can't muck and grind it with other teams, but they just don't have enough big forwards who can lean on the opposition.
     
  • I understand why Renney uses Belanger to win faceoffs on the PP, but once Ryan Whitney and Corey Potter return I hope he's not out there anymore. Especially if the are changing on the fly and you don't need him to win the draw, because he doesn't have a big enough shot from the point to be effective there. Or at least, he hasn't shown it yet.
     
  • I'm curious if all those who said,"Ryan Jones is an awful hockey player," still feel that way. I find it interesting how few of them have admitted those comments might have been a touch off-base. We've all been wrong before, but I find it interesting how we haven't heard much from that camp. Or the camp who said Nugent-Hopkins was a bad pick because he only had 27 goals last year. It's okay to be wrong, I've been there, but don't think I haven't noticed how those who love to point out when others are wrong haven't said boo about their own misguided projections.
     
  • Kyle Turris might want to hire a new agent. Turris sits out training camp, the preseason and misses the first 19 games of the regular season to get $2.8 million over two years. A $1.4 cap hit sounds about right. He held out to get what he could have got in the summer. Asinine.

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Only Colorado has few home wins than the Predators, and the Oilers will have a much better effort tonight, and they'll win 3-2. Hemsky finally makes an appearance.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The cameraman will pan to Carrie Underwood at least four times, not that I'm complaining. We'll also see the TooToo Train take some healthy runs at the Oilers. Tootoo is the exact type of player the Oilers need. He plays hard, hits hard and plays over 13 minutes a night.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Sam Gagner scores his first goal of the season. I have no idea why, just a hunch. 

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 Spaghetti - Team Facalto
November 22 2011, 01:47PM
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NSOGDP: RNH having had enough of all this losing crap will go in with the puck and as he is scoring his third goal of the period will put a Fist into the face of both Weber and Suter as he split the D and then brushes it off as no biggie, and as he goes back to the bench the Nashville team High Five him as they stand there in awe.

P.S Hordy assists on all three goals as Renney makes a bold move to play him with RNH!

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#2 Zamboni Driver
November 22 2011, 01:55PM
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Totally agree. Homer stats guys are ridiculous.

Sincerely,

Ladi Smid's Home Blocked Shots

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#3 freeze
November 22 2011, 02:04PM
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Does the NHL have a Head of Statistic and/or Data? That person could make a good guest on the show. (or maybe Nation Radio) You could ask about +/-, hits, blocks, scoring chances, etc. Or even talk about the league's feeling on new stats like corsi.

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#4 Shredder
November 22 2011, 02:17PM
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Ok, so I know the stats guys will jump on me here with much more advanced knowledge of Plante's history...but I've seen him in most of the games he's played and I like the guy...He just seems to have good sound defensive positioning, and sure he's not very fast, but if you put yourself in the right spot you don't need to be. I would take Plante over Peckham anyday, mind you Peckham is having a rough go of it. Plante's boxcars aren't amazing, but they're not bad! I would wager that he gets another assist and is a +1 tonight.

Also, Hall will correct is overzealous play from last night and will pot 2. Just a WAG...

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#5 Shredder
November 22 2011, 02:20PM
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...oh, and after last night, it should come as no surprise that Dallas is leading in hits...why there's a differential between home and away is beyond me, but to play the devils' advocate I would assume that it could be because there would be more pressure on the refs' to call them in the other rink, as the fans would boo like crazy for hitting the home team like they hit the Oilers last night...

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#6 Chris.
November 22 2011, 02:24PM
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Game Day Prediction: Oilers win big tonight: 6-1. Yeah... I said it. Yeah... I know who Pekka Rinne is.

Obvious Game Day Prediction: Principe will wear a cowboy hat during the pregame broadcast.

Not-So-Obvious Game Day Prediction: Gregor was absolutely correct yesterday when he predicted Hall/Eberle would disagree about who was the prettiest Dallas cheer team member. That debate will expand tonight on the plane when Peckham suggests Nashville has a better looking overall squad than Dallas. It's fun to talk about pretty girls when you're winning hockey games.

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#7 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 22 2011, 02:27PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Totally agree. Homer stats guys are ridiculous.

Sincerely,

Ladi Smid's Home Blocked Shots

Can you back that up?

I can see where the discrepency with hits, but the puck either hits you or it doesn't. Pretty straight forward.

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#8 A-Mc
November 22 2011, 02:32PM
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I don't get a good feeling about this game; it could be residual STINK left over from last night though.

GDP: we're competitive, but only Just. If we pull out the win, Renney wont have anything Good to say about it.

OGDP: Paajarvi, Gagner and Hemsky will continue to disappoint. HORDY De-Rails the TooToo Train!

NSOGDP: In the final minutes of a 1 goal lead for the Oil, Dubnyk flips out over his team not shooting on the Empty Preds Net. He will Poke check a puck away from a Preds player and flip it up and into the Preds net himself; Unassisted. In 1 single act he generates more offense than Gagner has all season.

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#9 Ales Hallsky
November 22 2011, 02:44PM
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A little off topic, but i was checking out the Flamesnation to make myself feel better and all the doom and gloomers are talking about who/what they can get for Iggy. Who would you guys give up for Iginla?

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#10 Howdy
November 22 2011, 02:47PM
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Please tell me thats the last time we see Chorney in the NHL. Can't believe we picked him back up but lets then be realistic and keep him in the minors forever. Once Sutton comes back, its time for Peckham to take some remedial D lessons in the AHL as well. Way to many glaring errors.

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#11 oilredemption
November 22 2011, 02:54PM
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This is gonna be bad especially considering you said that people like to jump on others mistakes... but is it not Carrie underwood? On that note Mike Fisher your the man!

Ps I wish we would bring up harski to add some grit! Maybe put him with paajarvi (put him on his off wing because of the way he likes to drive the net. Then it will put him on his forehand when he's all doing this) and horc center it. Then Jones with belanger and lander or whoever.

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#12 Mullet Militia
November 22 2011, 02:54PM
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Jimmeh wrote:

I dont know who Kerry Underwood is, but I'd rather see Carrie Underwood. ;)

you know how I know you're gay...

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#13 Archaeologuy
November 22 2011, 03:01PM
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maybe he goes back to the lineup that won its last game 9-2...just a thought...

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#14 OilFan
November 22 2011, 03:03PM
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Nashville is full of midgets would have the same issue as last night ( physical play ). Why have Sam Wellwood on the top 2 lines ? Sam isn't a 2nd line center is this league. I could have scored all those points with Patty Kane. I've heard before from others how Sam isn't the ideal checking center or fourth line center , is he a ideal top 6 ? Trade for some size start with Gagner and omark.

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#15 Shredder
November 22 2011, 03:04PM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

A little off topic, but i was checking out the Flamesnation to make myself feel better and all the doom and gloomers are talking about who/what they can get for Iggy. Who would you guys give up for Iginla?

I lived in Calgary for 3.5 years and still have friends there...for the last year it has been rough, although I believe alcohol sales are probably way up as everyone seems to go there to hang out at the bar.

As far as Iginla goes...I'd trade Peckham for him, that's about it. We've been his arch rival for his entire career, there's no way his heart will be in it here...even though he was born in St. Albert.

I did a little trolling today and man are they in a panic...the message from the fanbase seems to be "Do SOMETHING"...but what can they do? I don't want to provide them any answers as our team still needs a few, but after being berated by their fanbase, I still feel sorry for them.

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#17 mayorpoop
November 22 2011, 03:08PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

maybe he goes back to the lineup that won its last game 9-2...just a thought...

you made a funny. haha.

no he won't.

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#19 A-Mc
November 22 2011, 03:08PM
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@Ales Hallsky

I could only stand seeing Gagner, Eager and MAYBE Hemsky being moved to another team.

The young guys that people often mention: Paajarvi, Omark, Lander, etc.. Will be quite useful after they develop a little so i'm reluctant to bail any of those types.

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#20 Shredder
November 22 2011, 03:16PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Did you see the Oilers stats, they had fewer hits at home. Go look at the rest of the league...Dallas has a massive differential from their home games to road games...It is ridiculous. Has nothing to do with refs. Stats guys track hits, not the refs.

Fair enough...I just meant that they'd be less likely to hit if the refs had more pressure to call it...but no worries...love the GDB's...

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#22 Al Davis
November 22 2011, 03:31PM
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I hear the Kings aren't satisfied with Dustin Penner. He's a big body who could use his size to his advantage and could fill that void. Now if you excuse me, I need to go shoot myself in the face.

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#23 VK63
November 22 2011, 03:35PM
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Who hasnt scored in an eon and who are the former Oilers?

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#24 Zamboni Driver
November 22 2011, 03:36PM
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@Jason Gregor

I guess so.

I was going to with "Gilbert Hits", but that would have been redundant....plus some genius might have asked for me to back up my harmless little joke with stats.

Some folks really hold on a little too tight.

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#25 Quicksilver ballet
November 22 2011, 03:40PM
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Nashville will probably try and do something similar to what Dallas did last night and put the run on the softer players.

Anyone else notice since Hemsky and Gagner came back into the lineup a couple weeks ago the Oilers have struggled? Two more bodies not bringing their share of offense or violence (leaning on anyone) for that matter, and two more bodies for Eager and Hordichuk to have to babysit.

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#26 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 03:51PM
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@Jason Gregor

Awesome article Gregor!

I made a lot of the same arguments this morning on the Almost Saturday Night thread (re: size, capitalizing on PP, limited impact of our physical players, future potential in Pitlick). But you've put it much better here.

I'm just going to share my thoughts/questions in order:

1) why does the NHL allow Homers to calculate stats like this? why not have independent guys watch the game following a universal standard? That would solve the problem, no? Also, Dallas is a hitting machine... but, all the same, it shows some intriguingly high levels of insecurity that they pad their stats like that.

2) Not only did Smyth miss the wraparound, Hemsky tagged the crossbar... game of inches indeed!

3) I for one wondered aloud about Jones, but only in a limited way - I never said he was "awful." But I'm happy to own up to it. He's impressed me a lot with his consistency and determination. That said, I'd like to see him throw his weight around more. Count me pleasantly surprised.

4) Asinine indeed... Add Turris to a growing list of professional athletes that shoot themselves in the foot by letting their agents bend their ear with reckless abandon. Who's going to endorse a guy like that, how is a community supposed to rally around you... doesn't make sense. You need better reasons to sit out that long. It amazes me that after The Yashin Experiment this still happens

that's all..

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#27 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
November 22 2011, 03:57PM
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Alex effin Plante?!

And Ryan Jones isn't a good hockey player. He isn't terrible, but people that classify him that way are likely over-exaggerating, and only a little. He's good at one thing - offence on the PK. Keep an eye on him for the entire game and tell me he makes good decisions, with and without the puck, more often than not.

He shouldn't be here when the Oil are a play-off team.

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#29 Crash
November 22 2011, 03:59PM
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A-Mc wrote:

I could only stand seeing Gagner, Eager and MAYBE Hemsky being moved to another team.

The young guys that people often mention: Paajarvi, Omark, Lander, etc.. Will be quite useful after they develop a little so i'm reluctant to bail any of those types.

So you're patient enough to wait for a 24 yr old Omark to develop yet are all for moving out a 22 yr old Gagner...

*facepalm*

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#30 Spaghetti - Team Facalto
November 22 2011, 04:00PM
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Mullet Militia wrote:

you know how I know you're gay...

What's with all the prime rib, is this a meat shop or what?

To answer your question with a question: Is it, takes one to ....? well you know the rest.

Not starting beef just curious.

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#31 sizedoesmatter
November 22 2011, 04:00PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Nashville will probably try and do something similar to what Dallas did last night and put the run on the softer players.

Anyone else notice since Hemsky and Gagner came back into the lineup a couple weeks ago the Oilers have struggled? Two more bodies not bringing their share of offense or violence (leaning on anyone) for that matter, and two more bodies for Eager and Hordichuk to have to babysit.

Hemksy is still having shoulder problems and he seems to be getting better every game. On the other hand Gagner is scary out there in his own end and turns over the puck way to often.I dont know why he is playing so poorly.I sure hope he can turn it around.

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#32 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:00PM
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Oh and here's something to fire up the faithful and hopefully the players... Ontario's finest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GePsvwfi7wA

Oh, young lions/ this is your kingdom/ every beast has it's poison/ every lion has it's victim

our poison last night was clearly physical play; we need to make Nashville a victim of our skill, speed and specialty teams.

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#33 gord962
November 22 2011, 04:02PM
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Crash wrote:

So you're patient enough to wait for a 24 yr old Omark to develop yet are all for moving out a 22 yr old Gagner...

*facepalm*

I think the point was that Gagner has 4 yrs of NHL experience and Omark has 50 games. Sam should be miles ahead of Linus, yet he isn't.

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#34 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:07PM
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gord962 wrote:

I think the point was that Gagner has 4 yrs of NHL experience and Omark has 50 games. Sam should be miles ahead of Linus, yet he isn't.

Oh, oh... Arch are your ears bleeding yet? Your classic star/goat grudge match is starting up again... Gagner's Law never fails!

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#35 HORDY hears a who
November 22 2011, 04:11PM
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Spaghetti - Team Facalto wrote:

What's with all the prime rib, is this a meat shop or what?

To answer your question with a question: Is it, takes one to ....? well you know the rest.

Not starting beef just curious.

"HORDY then declared the eight rules of fight club:

1. You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

2. You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

3. If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over. 4. Only two guys to a fight.

5. One fight at a time.

6. No shirts, no shoes.

7. Fights will go on as long as they have to.

8. If this is your first night at fight club, you HAVE to fight."

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#37 Westcoastoil
November 22 2011, 04:17PM
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I think the notion of waiting on Gagner (as he is still very young and will improve), but holy cow do they need some beef in the middle. Hemsky is only every going to play 20 games a year if he gets teed off on like Dallas did last night. Even if they decide to move Hemsky, they needs size up the middle that can draw the larger lads from the other team.

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#38 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 22 2011, 04:18PM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

I guess so.

I was going to with "Gilbert Hits", but that would have been redundant....plus some genius might have asked for me to back up my harmless little joke with stats.

Some folks really hold on a little too tight.

So you were way off base again, big suprise.

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#39 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
November 22 2011, 04:19PM
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gord962 wrote:

I think the point was that Gagner has 4 yrs of NHL experience and Omark has 50 games. Sam should be miles ahead of Linus, yet he isn't.

No proof as to which is more important in the age/experience debate.

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#40 A-Mc
November 22 2011, 04:20PM
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@Crash

You're comparing their experiences based on age. Omark hasn't been over here playing in the AHL/NHL as long as Gagner has.

It stands to reason that a player needs some time to adjust to the different levels of play. Gagner may be younger but he has also been given a much longer opportunity to prove himself.

And honestly, Player for player, i see more promise in OMark than i do in Gagner. Omark is tough to get off the puck, He has an accurate Shot, Has very quick hands and can pass with the best of them. Gagner has none of those things but has been afforded more time in the NHL to grow and prove himself.

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#41 Spaghetti - Team Facalto
November 22 2011, 04:22PM
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HORDY hears a who wrote:

"HORDY then declared the eight rules of fight club:

1. You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

2. You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

3. If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over. 4. Only two guys to a fight.

5. One fight at a time.

6. No shirts, no shoes.

7. Fights will go on as long as they have to.

8. If this is your first night at fight club, you HAVE to fight."

My bad, this is me bowing out, because this isn't where I parked my car.

By the way, I turbo charged the Hordy Wagon for you, so now it can kick even more ass faster.

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#42 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
November 22 2011, 04:26PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He is one of their top PKers, and team is 7th on PK...He has five goals, has the best +/- rating of any forward on the team, but he sure isn't a good player.

It's okay not to like a player, that is fine, but saying he isn't a good player seems misguided.

He's an opportunistic goal scorer. That's why he pots so many on breakaways/PK.

I think we all know stats don't tell the whole story.

Keep an eye on him tonight specifically. Watch him forecheck, make the "right" pass, chip and chase, etc. More often he kills the play or is just ineffective.

I don't mind Jones, but saying he IS a good player is even more misguided.

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#43 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:29PM
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@A-Mc

You're going to get that melancholy stats hound from that other site all worked up again with your Gags dissage.

I think it's wise to distinguish between current play, reasonable projections and body of work in these types of discussions.

I think it's fair to say Gags is beyond underwhelming so far this season and even to say one sees more promise in Omark... but to trample on Gags' body of work (i.e. he hasn't proved himself) is a bit of stretch.

Players have to keep proving themselves but the tests they have already passed do not evaporate.

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#44 MAC962
November 22 2011, 04:31PM
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Hemsky- Wow, please trade this over rated whatever. What does he really bring to this team ? I would really like to know. All show and no go Alice [Ales] Hemsky. You shot lots Hemmer ? No. You tough Hemmer ? of course not, actually you are soft. You play Good D ? Nope. What exactly is it you are good at ? You have done squat, perhaps you need a change, i know we do, we are no better with you in the lineup. I had to say this, i hate dissing any Oiler Players but come on....We traded Gretz - We can trade Alice. I hope its just a matter of the right deal coming along.

The End.

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#45 A-Mc
November 22 2011, 04:31PM
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@Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!

I would argue that being an Opportunistic goal scorer on a team that lacks in the goal scoring department is a fairly good asset to have.

I don't care if a goal is ugly, opportunistic or carved from perfection: Goals win games.

Jones improves Goals For and reduces Goals Against. What more could make a 'good' hockey player?

There are bigger goats to slay on the Oilers team; Jones should be off the radar.

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#46 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 22 2011, 04:36PM
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@MAC962

thanks for coming out.

~sound argument. who wouldn't be convinced?~

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PS- And Oilers- Its called Swarming-you may not scare anyone one on one-But toughen up as a group. Someone takes liberties with your skill players- Swarm , make sure it does not happen again. I am not saying become little gangstas, but for crying out loud, if someone hammers Nuge, or whomever , 2 or 3 guys in his face makes a point. No one can defend themselves against a mob mentality , try it. I have played and it works. All for one and one for all... always.

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#48 stevezie
November 22 2011, 04:39PM
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I remember Plante being worse than Chorney. I was only half watching yesterday's game, was he really that much worse than every other bad defenceman?

Would love Tootoo.

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#49 nate
November 22 2011, 04:40PM
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Don't do +/- on hits. Track hits as a percentage (0.5 is even hits). Calculate home and away hit ratios for each team and the league. Home hit ratios would still have some bias. Road hit ratios would compare perfectly across the league.

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#50 A-Mc
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I didn't say he hasn't proved himself yet. i said that he's had more time in the NHL to prove himself (as opposed to Omark, so it's not fair to say Gagner > Omark). Gagner looked to be a consistent 40pt guy but this year he's falling off for whatever reason. To compare Gagner to Omark is quite difficult because OMark hasn't been afford the opportunity to Prove himself yet.

As for my comments on straight up player vs player skills, i definitely hold to those. I Legitimately see more Promise in Omark than Gagner, but only time will tell which player is more valuable.

ps: I get the sense that Arch is steering clear of these discussions because he knows his Gagner LEGITIMATELY isn't playing well this year.

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