November 24 News and Notes

Robert Cleave
November 24 2011 11:50AM

               

The quarter pole has arrived in the NHL season, and News and Notes is back to examine the state of affairs around the Nation and the league. In this episode, the Flames head for the bottom, the Oilers bounce back, and hockey's best rejoins the action.

FLAMES

Well, where to begin? Last night's effort in Detroit might seem better from a score POV, but the team was badly outplayed and is rapidly approaching the point of no return for the year, irrespective of whatever impassioned pleas might be emanating from the boss. I would encourage anyone that hasn't listened to Brent Sutter's Tuesday presser to do so, because it isn't often that we hear any NHL coach so clearly demonstrate they're at the end of their rope. 

The sad truth is there might not be much left for the Flames to do but run out the season before starting over next summer. There's no realistic likelihood of any team taking on the Flames' lousy players, and moving the bigger salaries like Iginla or Bouwmeester, if that's part of the plan, might need to wait until teams have more flexibility in the off-season.

Simply flushing a season is a pretty unappetizing prospect, especially for the STHs that keep this enterprise afloat, but the primary goal has to be resisting the temptation to take on contracts with any term attached in a fruitless attempt to salvage the year. 

OILERS

A scroungy effort in Dallas earlier in the week was followed by an excellent performance in Nashville, as Edmonton continues on their road swing through the midwest. The Preds are in a bad way at the moment, as last night's horrible performance in Minny showed, but the Oil were superb in getting Nashville out of their comfort zone in their own building. Dennis King's scoring chance count had Edmonton at 9-0 after one, which is the type of play that will get your team a win most nights.

The Oiler wins over Chicago and the Predators have calmed the waters for the moment, but they still have the look of a team that will need a couple of defenders before they can begin to seriously consider the post-season. I'm not entirely convinced a team routinely dressing Theo Peckham won't hit a slippery patch, in other words.

That noted, the Oilers are on the road to becoming a good team, so the world should be a relatively happy place, irrespective of what dimwits might think. Colin Cowherd has made a very nice living being both loud and wrong without fail, so maybe I'm the one that's missing the point, but it's hard to argue that he has anything but a long history of ignorance on any number of subjects.

                  

CANUCKS

The Dys played a very quiet game in Colorado last night, doing an excellent job of suppressing the Avs until a string of penalties in the third forced the Canucks to play a bit of defence. From the outside, Vancouver still has the air of a team running in place after last season's highs, although the underlying numbers are still very good

The Canucks might also just be feeling a bit of fortune's reversal in terms of the percentages. They've certainly been a good team over the last few years, but they've also had a nice run of bounces along the way. Vancouver's team 5v5 PDOs since 08/09 read 102.0, 101.7, 101.9, and it wasn't just the Sedins magically driving things, since guys like Malhotra, Wellwood and Bernier were also well over 100 in that period.

This year, they sit at 98.1, and the Sedins are the only players on the high side. 98.1 is a bit low, however, and guys like Kesler and Booth will likely start to see things head north soon enough. 

They'll also benefit from the return of Mason Raymond, who appears to be a bit ahead of schedule after his back surgery this summer. He's another nice player to add to the arsenal, and should permit Vigneault at some juncture to harness Higgins and Malhotra as a full time duo against the toughs, with all others reaping the benefits.

LEAFS 

The Leafs have managed to remain afloat in the face of a daunting run of injuries despite some mediocre outshooting numbers, mostly thanks to the hot sticks of Lupul and Kessel, but in fairness to that club, any team without their hard minutes center, two other useful forwards and their best goalie would be up against it. 

This morning does bring some good news in that regard, as James Reimer is back practicing with the club in Dallas. Gustavsson and Scrivens have been OK in the last few games, but Reimer's presence is likely the difference between a team with a sniff at the post-season and one that might end up 11th or 12th in the East. If the Leafs can survive the next few weeks until they get their injured forwards back, we could see them stabilize that spot in the top eight. 

JETS 

The Jets stole a point last night, getting outshot and outchanced in DC before falling in overtime 4-3. The lack of forward depth is one failing that good teams can expose when Winnipeg is on the road, and last night was a prime example, as Jaffray didn't play after the second and Burmistrov and Thorburn sat for good chunks of the third. Scott covered a good chunk of the waterfront this morning on the club, and I'm mostly in accord.

The Buff to forward thing, well, I'll just say again that people that watched the Hawks in the playoffs versus Vancouver are neglecting to note how ineffective he was the other 90 games or so in 08/09 and 09/10 when he played up front and leave it there. If the Jets don't want him at D, they need to trade him, because his contract has no chance of being decent value if he works as a middling RW.

Overall, I'm really not entirely sold on Noel's utilization of his players to this point. I don't doubt that he recognizes the shallow, and callow, nature of his team up front, but Burmistrov likely deserved a better fate than playing seven minutes last night, since his overall game wasn't terrible. He likely rates more PP time than he's getting as well.

The other move that seems destined to fail in the end is the tendency to hard match Slater, Thorburn and Glass versus the toughs. Glass and Slater are sporting EVSH% north of 11 thus far, and there's nothing in their games that hints at that being the norm, so a correction is almost certainly on its way.

That noted, the fact that the Jets have been competitive 5v5 while spending most of the year away from home and sporting an overall 99.5 PDO does indicate that something is working, particularly in light of the fact that Winnipeg has used 12 different D in the first 21 games. Two of their better EV defenders have missed significant time, and in that vein, it was good to see Ron Hainsey back after missing 5 weeks.

He's a slight upgrade from Arturs Kulda, and he jumped right back in the deep end, playing over 23 minutes against a strong team. That might be a timely return in another way, as word escaped this morning that Zach Bogosian has a date with Principal Shanahan to discuss his hit on Cody Eakin. 

                    

ELSEWHERE 

After the expected shenanigans to start, the Bruins ground the Sabres down last night, winning in a shootout on Benoit Pouliot's one meaningful contribution for the evening. The Bs have improved their underlying numbers dramatically this season, although the overloaded nature of their schedule has played a part in making them seem better.

The Bruins have played 7 games away from TD Garden, and as Steve Burtch showed this morning, they aren't the same team on the road, small sample size and all. They have a run-in with the Wings tomorrow and a date in Pittsburgh on December 5th, and both of those games will be worth watching, to say the least.

Speaking of the Pens, Sid's triumphant return versus the Islanders had people talking, but the Blues are made of sterner stuff, and his control of matters wasn't nearly as complete on a night where St. Louis had Pittsburgh under pressure from the first period onward. Adrenaline is a crazy thing, and that boost almost certainly helped him along in his first game, but even an exemplar like Crosby might need a few more games before he's really on track.

One team that has jumped out in dramatic fashion is Florida, and to this point, it's largely on merit. They roasted the Rangers last night, outshooting them 38-20 on the way to a win. The Panthers have been strong both home and away, and they've done so in large part because Versteeg, Fleischmann and Weiss are outshooting the toughs.

That stipulated, those three guys are riding some crazy percentages, especially on the SH% side of things. A fall back to more normal figures seems inevitable at some point, but Versteeg's overall numbers are particularly strong even when accounting for the bounces. He's finally healthy after a season suffering through a hernia problem, and having watched him a couple of times this year, his speed is obviously back to the level he had in Chicago. 

                  

BOARDROOM BIZ 

The sale of the Stars has been finalized, as Tom Gaglardi has assumed control of the bankrupt franchise. Despite a fairly extended history of success and a good beginning to building the grassroots of the game in Texas, Dallas is still susceptible to the same dangers that threaten other non-traditional markets. A few years of not making the playoffs and not marketing the club has driven attendance down to the depths, and as James Mirtle's Tweet from last night made clear, it's folly to presume annouced attendance equals people in the seats.

Tyler Dellow has done some very good work this fall in examining the underlying financial state of that club, and one of the obvious things to me having simply watched several games is that not only is attendance down, but the expensive seats are unfilled in significant numbers.

As an experiment, I went to Ticketmaster this morning to check how many seats were stll unsold for the Stars' home date versus the Sens next week. I selected that game in order to have a mid-week game against a team that doesn't have a major travelling fan base, so that I could get at least some handle on how many lower-level seats weren't sold as STHs or mini-packs. 

The reason that I wanted to do that is that legitimately healthy teams sell those tickets before the puck drops for game one. That guaranteed income is what allows teams to function with some degree of certainty throughout the entire season, rather than simply hoping they sell tickets on a walkup basis. I counted the unsold seats in the 100 and 200 level, since that's where the money is in terms of high priced ducats, and as of about 10 am CT, there were roughly 2800 tickets left in those areas. 

That's a nice chunk of cash on the table. At an average ST price of around $3,000 for those seats, the Stars entered the year trying to sell at least $9M in quality tickets on spec, and I don't doubt for a second that my rough attempt to account for what they have for inventory is likely a bit optimistic. Some of those seats will go via the walkup route for more desirable games, obviously, but the franchise is in a bit of a ditch as of today.

It should also be noted that many of those tickets are in areas with in-seat concession service, and people sitting in those types of places in other arenas are normally willing to spend a good buck on food and drink, so the loss of revenue from not having patrons in the chairs isn't just confined to ticket revenue. I wish Gaglardi well, because he's got a lot of work in front of him to rebuild the fanbase to the point where the Stars can spend in the manner he hopes.

That's all for this week, and to our American readers, Happy Thanksgiving.

 

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#1 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 24 2011, 12:07PM
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book¡e wrote:

I think the Flames made a big mistake last year by only getting rid of one of the Sutter Brothers. I am not saying that all would be great with a different coach, but I think that a clean start was needed and they simply delayed the inevitable.

I think they made a big mistake by not hiring MORE Sutter brothers, sons, cousins, uncles, sisters, etc. A team can never have too many sad-faced belligerents.

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#2 Cameron
November 24 2011, 11:58AM
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Much better assessment that the one currently on the CBC website where they appear not to have seen an Oiler game all year

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#3 Archaeologuy
November 24 2011, 01:25PM
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book¡e wrote:

I think the Flames made a big mistake last year by only getting rid of one of the Sutter Brothers. I am not saying that all would be great with a different coach, but I think that a clean start was needed and they simply delayed the inevitable.

Biggest mistake they ever made by far was failing to learn from the Greeks. Allow me to explain.

There is one word that comes up pretty often when you spend enough time in a Classics department. That word is Hubris. Let's put it mildly when I say that you should avoid it.

Niobe boasts that she is a greater mother than the Goddess Leto because she gave birth to more children. Consequence? Leto commands her 2 children (Artemis and Apollo) to cut that b*tch's kids down in hailstorm of arrows (Plague).

Icarus flies too close to the sun. Consequence? Now all pools have lifeguards.

Arachne says she's a better weaver than Athena. Consequence? Now she has 8 legs and is featured in Horror movies.

I could go on, but hopefully you get the idea.

Feaster blasts a fan of his own team for suggesting that an Oiler-style top-down rebuild of the Flames might be the best direction. Feaster comes back with a snappy retort that resembles "The Oilers? Oilers? You talking 'bout the Oilers? Not the GAME, not the GAME I love! Man, you talking the Oilers. Oilers. Oil...THE OILERS?!"

Consequence? Let's hope it resembles some of the others from previous cases of Hubris.

Moral of the story? Dont talk trash about Leto's parenting, Flying is scary, weaving is stupid, and Jay Feaster should have minded his own damn business.

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#4 freeze
November 24 2011, 12:27PM
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God, the Oilers need help on D.

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#5 Archaeologuy
November 24 2011, 02:24PM
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@Slats

Gee. The winner of every award is in the East except for Shea Weber and the Calder is NOT going to the youngest eligible player who happens to be pacing out for a better year than any rookie post lock-out since Ovie, Malkin, and Crosby.

Well done, Scott Cullen. Well done.

I'm surprised he didnt choose the Panthers as the eventual winners of the Western Conference Championship.

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#6 book¡e
November 24 2011, 11:53AM
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I think the Flames made a big mistake last year by only getting rid of one of the Sutter Brothers. I am not saying that all would be great with a different coach, but I think that a clean start was needed and they simply delayed the inevitable.

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#7 MAC962
November 24 2011, 12:04PM
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Don't ya love the pic of of dude behind Sutter in the stands.

Looks awesome on you Calgary, Payback is gonna be a bitch.

Yes, i am laughing at you Calgary and Feaster... ha ha ha ho ho ho.

I have a long Memory LAME FANS.

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#9 MrDithers
November 24 2011, 12:46PM
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I think the Flames should just keep the status quo. They look good as a cellar dweller. Couldn't have happened to a nicer place.

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#10 RexLibris
November 24 2011, 01:41PM
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NTCs do mean quite a lot actually. But for a NTC, Ottawa has Penner, Cogliano and Smid and we have Dany Heatley. The NTC significantly reduced the return that Murray received because it took all of his power in the negotiations away. Doug Wilson knew Heatley wanted to come to San Jose and he gave Murray a dog's breakfast in return. It was better than what Sutter got for Phaneuf, but only just.

Calgary's situation is such that perhaps some players will waive their NTC just to go to a contender or some other team better positioned for success this season, but that doesn't make the clause entirely a non-issue.

The NMC is the one that is the hardest to deal with because in Sarich's case he can't even be waived and sent to Abbotsford without his permission. That is one contract that the Flames will be much better having put behind them this summer. Glencross, Jokinen and Iginla also have NMCs which are less troublesome because they have a greater contribution to the team's performance, but are difficult to move, nonetheless.

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#11 Al Davis
November 24 2011, 01:48PM
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Colin Cowherd is a joke like the majority of the employees over at ESPN these days. Like this chump knows anything about hockey anyways.

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#12 Dman09
November 24 2011, 02:20PM
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What I think is retarded is the All Star voting. People don't even care if the player has even played more than 5 games and they are still voting for them. I thought the whole point was to vote for individuals having great seasons thus far and reward them for thier increased play. Crosby has only played a couple games and is at the top of the list. Don't get me wrong I think Crosby is a great player but the voting should be based on current performance not whether its your favorite player.

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#13 Smokey
November 24 2011, 03:10PM
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Bad rumour. JBO to Oil. I don't think I'd trade Whiffcof for that travesty of a contract.

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#14 Smokey
November 24 2011, 12:08PM
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Yakupov verses Hall in the battle of Alberta for the next decade should be fun. The only person in Cowtown who has not figured the Flamers are in rebuild mode is Feaster. I think Calgary tanks this season, trades a few pieces, but doesn't do the traditional rebuild.

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#15 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 24 2011, 12:29PM
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I'm not entirely convinced a team routinely dressing Theo Peckham won't hit a slippery patch, in other words.

understatement of the week!

RE: Dallas... interesting to note Bettman chose Dallas celebrating a new owner over Crosby's return the other night. His excitement at defying the laws of natural fan bases is off the chart.

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#16 FlamesFan79
November 24 2011, 12:31PM
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This team needs to admit they suck. get rid of kipper and iggy, they are the problem. The Sutters are the best thing to happen to the flames since Lanny Mac.

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#17 T&A4Flames
November 24 2011, 12:40PM
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Uuuhhhhmmm, just heard that NYI placed Comeau on waivers. I know he hasn't played great this year but seriously, if the Flames don't try to pick him up they would have to be crazy. He is talented and a change of scenerey may be just what he needs. I don't care if we are already over-loaded with wingers and forwards, this is a chance to get a good young talent; the fortuitous kind of move that can kick start a teams future fortunes... for free!

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#18 DK0
November 24 2011, 12:41PM
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I can see it now...

Feaster: "Hey look guys! I found someone to take Iginla! Welcome your newest Calgary Flame, Dion Phaneuf! Playoffs here we come! more !'s!!"

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#19 T&A4Flames
November 24 2011, 12:43PM
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Uuuhhhhmmm, just heard that NYI placed Comeau on waivers. I know he hasn't played great this year but seriously, if the Flames don't try to pick him up they would have to be crazy. He is talented and a change of scenerey may be just what he needs. I don't care if we are already over-loaded with wingers and forwards, this is a chance to get a good young talent; the fortuitous kind of move that can kick start a teams future fortunes... for free!

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#20 geoilersgist
November 24 2011, 12:46PM
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@Smokey

Flames would have to come in last to get him, good luck on beating the Blue Jackets for last place.

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#21 Talbot17
November 24 2011, 12:50PM
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Smokey wrote:

Yakupov verses Hall in the battle of Alberta for the next decade should be fun. The only person in Cowtown who has not figured the Flamers are in rebuild mode is Feaster. I think Calgary tanks this season, trades a few pieces, but doesn't do the traditional rebuild.

except they cant just trade their scrap parts, lots of no trade clauses and bad contracts...

they are going to float between 11th and last place for the next 3+ years easily

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#22 freeze
November 24 2011, 01:09PM
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@Talbot17

Really? I think every player will waive their NMC to get out of there!

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#23 SmellOfVictory
November 24 2011, 01:25PM
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except they cant just trade their scrap parts, lots of no trade clauses and bad contracts...

they are going to float between 11th and last place for the next 3+ years easily

NTCs don't mean anything in reality; if a team doesn't want a player, the player will waive the clause the vast majority of the time. Calgary will be fine, and they'll find takers for some of their guys at the deadline if it comes to that.

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#24 Oilcruzer
November 24 2011, 01:28PM
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Cameron wrote:

Much better assessment that the one currently on the CBC website where they appear not to have seen an Oiler game all year

Just cuz they ain't part of the NationNetwork, aren't Montreal and Ottawa part of our great nation?

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#25 RexLibris
November 24 2011, 01:34PM
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I'd like to take this opportunity to nominate Brent Sutter alongside Jack Capuano, Scott Arniel and Claude Noel for the Jack Daniels Coach of the Year Award.

I'm not convinced that the Flames go all the way and are able to draft Yakupov this year. I still think the players will turn this thing around after Christmas and the organization will suffer in the long run once again as they draft somewhere in the 6-10 range. Then, if Feaster isn't "relocated" to another part of the organization in the summer, he'll sign some free agents and the team will do it all over again, with another middling result and another middling draft position. Two years ago, by the end of November it looked like Carolina was going to draft 1st or 2nd overall, then they went on a tear and wound up drafting 7th. That Skinner kid worked out alright, but it wasn't who they were hoping for (Seguin).

I know the fans in Calgary want a rebuild because the prospects up to bat in this year and next are already being called spectacular, but the commitment to do it doesn't appear in the ownership group on down.

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#26 Ales Hallsky
November 24 2011, 01:41PM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

NTCs don't mean anything in reality; if a team doesn't want a player, the player will waive the clause the vast majority of the time. Calgary will be fine, and they'll find takers for some of their guys at the deadline if it comes to that.

"Calgary will be fine"

*commences to laugh like a crazed villain*

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#27 mike
November 24 2011, 01:53PM
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Edmonton Oilers (11-8-2) - CBC Quarterly Review

3 Stars: Nikolai Khabibulin, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Corey Potter

Disappointment: Sam Gagner

Same old: Face offs, offence from defence

Sure, there was huge room for improvement, but the special team units have answered that challenge. There were expectations for Nugent-Hopkins, but certainly nothing of the order of a hat trick here, a five-assist game there. Perhaps Corey Potter won't have staying power over a full season, but what a start for a guy who's been cast off by two teams.

Maybe it's a lot to ask given the blue-line injury issues and the talent up front, but a couple more goals from the back end would have welcomed in the first quarter. Gagner seems destined to join Andrew Cogliano as someone who needs a change of scenery

the only problem I see here is no mention of Eberle and Smyth.

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#28 book¡e
November 24 2011, 01:56PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think they made a big mistake by not hiring MORE Sutter brothers, sons, cousins, uncles, sisters, etc. A team can never have too many sad-faced belligerents.

Exactly - inspiration has left the room...

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#29 book¡e
November 24 2011, 02:00PM
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@SmellOfVictory

Yes, Calgary will be just fine! Friendly Smile... Pat Pat Pat Pat Just fine. Maybe you should just relax for a bit.

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#30 book¡e
November 24 2011, 02:04PM
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Really? I think every player will waive their NMC to get out of there!

No, because they know they will 'get out of there' anyway - but to a team they like, whether it be sunny there or a stanley cup contender - they get to choose and Calgary has to takes whats they can gets for the player in return.

Also, they cannot use the waiver or recall waiver as a means to lose any NMC players.

NMCs and NTCs are very very costly and GMs have been too generous in giving them out. One very smart tradition of the Oilers is to say now way to most NMC and most NTCs.

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#31 mike
November 24 2011, 02:06PM
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Edmonton Oilers - TSN Quarterly Review

With the influx of the young talent the Oilers have compiled through the past number of drafts, brighter days for the struggling franchise seemed inevitable. But while it looked like Edmonton was still a few years away, this year's squad has looked like a team already prepared to challenge for a playoff spot, through the first quarter of the season.

As expected, it is the young guns leading the way so far in Edmonton. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle, and Taylor Hall make up three of the top four scorers on the team with a combined 21 goals and 59 points.

And re-acquired fan favourite Ryan Smyth is doing more than just providing veteran leadership for the Oilers' young core of players. Smyth has contributed 11 goals and 22 points - tied for first in team scoring - through 21 games for the surprising Oilers.

Another pleasant surprise in Edmonton has been the play of Nikolai Khabibulin. The Russian veteran entered the year expecting to split time with Devan Dubnyk, but has since been given the majority of starts, posting a .936 save percentage and two shutouts.

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#32 Bob Cob
November 24 2011, 02:07PM
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Al Davis wrote:

Colin Cowherd is a joke like the majority of the employees over at ESPN these days. Like this chump knows anything about hockey anyways.

True, Colin Cowherd is a Jim Rome wannabe. The thing about Rome, his takes are great and usually hilarious, he sometime's takes shots, but he is knowlegeable and respects most sports except soccer but I can't really blame him for that.

I equate Colin Cowherd to Michael Landsberg, TSN should have never given that assclown a show, he asks stupid irrelevant questions and has no interview skills at all.

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#33 Slats
November 24 2011, 02:11PM
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For an interesting (and complete b/sh*t biased take) on the quarter from an individual award leaders take a look at Scott Cullen's take.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=381196

What's funny is the complete backlash on RNH and the Calder. Over a point a game and only 1 goal behind Read.

What a joke!

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#34 Bob Cob
November 24 2011, 02:15PM
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Slats wrote:

For an interesting (and complete b/sh*t biased take) on the quarter from an individual award leaders take a look at Scott Cullen's take.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=381196

What's funny is the complete backlash on RNH and the Calder. Over a point a game and only 1 goal behind Read.

What a joke!

Im just surprised that Kessel isnt penciled in for every award, whats if he doesn't win the Calder is the league going to by him a car.

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#35 Bob Cob
November 24 2011, 02:20PM
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I meant to say Hart instead of Calder in my last post, and thats my cue to exit.

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#36 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 24 2011, 02:27PM
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@Archaeologuy

Great word! Nice analog is the GK. word Tolma (audacity, boldness, impertinence).

Favorite story of hubris is of Miltiades (Herodotus 6.132-140). In brief:

feeling his oats after his grand success at Marathon, he is tempted by hubris to avenge an old quarrel (which he fails to accomplish), misuse public funds and defile the temple of Demeter with his presence.

Nietzsche uses this story to discuss the virtue of competition. The moment Miltiades felt himself "withdrawn from competition" through his victories at Marathon (i.e., above everyone) all that was left was the "pre-Homeric abyss of a gruesome savagery of hatred and pleasure in destruction."

Sounds like fun! Enjoy your ride into the abyss flamers!

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#37 mikeH
November 24 2011, 02:30PM
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As suggested by Kent in the comments over at M&G, I have registered my vote for Stajan on the All-Star ballot. Let's get him on the team, and then we can see where he gets selected in the team draft. (um... last)

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#38 Romulus' Apotheosis
November 24 2011, 02:33PM
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@Bob Cob

the car joke totally redeemed you... I still can't believe that video... hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz_f7ayRbEQ

why on earth would you give pro hockey player a car? who watches these things live anyway?

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#39 geoilersgist
November 24 2011, 02:57PM
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@Slats

Don't forget the fact that Read is 25! If RNH doesn't win the calder I hope Tambellini looses it on the league for conspiring against the Oilers, If he can finish the year at a point per game pace.

Edit: this just came up on twitter. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=602824&cmpid=nhl-rxl-fb

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#40 justDOit
November 24 2011, 03:10PM
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While it may be more difficult than Cartman abstaining from ripping on Kyle's religion, I think it's bad karma to rip on the Flambes for their troubles.

Oh wait - Feaster ripped the Oilers in the media, didn't he... carry on, then!

Even if they tank the rest of the season and get a high draft pick, I'm sure they'll squander it on the next Rico Fata!

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#41 justDOit
November 24 2011, 03:15PM
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Smokey wrote:

Bad rumour. JBO to Oil. I don't think I'd trade Whiffcof for that travesty of a contract.

Not sure what to think about that one. Whitney might never play a full season again, which is bad, and JBo plays every game, every season - which has also been bad. He might do well with a new team though, and I'm sure Renney/Krueger could bring back his game if given the chance.

Was that a rumour from Eklund? If so, it's almost guaranteed to never happen.

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#42 Smokey
November 24 2011, 03:23PM
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Rumour from radio. They even said its fairly implausible. Anything going to Cow Country must have major contract going back, cause JBO is a 3 mil player making 6 plus. I think JBO will go somewhere, cause I think in the right situation (say the other evil red team, Detroit) he can be a 40 point guy again.

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#43 South of Cowtown
November 24 2011, 04:31PM
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Feaster was misquoted. Top 5 draft pick. Write it down. Yeah, that's what he said. (emphatically) Write it down.

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#44 everton fc
November 24 2011, 04:57PM
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Back to Comeau... What's his cap hit? Might be worth a punt.

Canes trying to move Kaberle for a forward. Would they take Stajan and Sarich?! Or Stajan and Babchuk??!! (Just dreaming...)

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#45 Team Hall
November 24 2011, 05:01PM
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Is this writer from Toronto? Because this article looks ridiculously Toronto biased. Toronto has lots of injuries and thats the only reason they're not playing well. Meanwhile, no mention that the Oilers have way more injuries than the Sappers. Nice homework.

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#46 RexLibris
November 24 2011, 05:58PM
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South of Cowtown wrote:

Feaster was misquoted. Top 5 draft pick. Write it down. Yeah, that's what he said. (emphatically) Write it down.

I can't wait to hear the press conference with Feaster at the end of the year if the Oilers finished ahead of the Flames.

Hopefully the Calgary will be a little harder on Feaster than the U.S. media was on George W: "So W, about those Iraqi weapons of mass destruction..."

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#47 T&A4Flames
November 24 2011, 06:46PM
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everton fc wrote:

Back to Comeau... What's his cap hit? Might be worth a punt.

Canes trying to move Kaberle for a forward. Would they take Stajan and Sarich?! Or Stajan and Babchuk??!! (Just dreaming...)

2.5mil, contract up at the end of the year

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#48 everton fc
November 24 2011, 07:03PM
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Comeau's contract's not too bad...

Might be worth a punt.

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#49 everton fc
November 24 2011, 07:07PM
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Bergfors on waivers...

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#50 SmellOfVictory
November 24 2011, 09:33PM
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RexLibris wrote:

NTCs do mean quite a lot actually. But for a NTC, Ottawa has Penner, Cogliano and Smid and we have Dany Heatley. The NTC significantly reduced the return that Murray received because it took all of his power in the negotiations away. Doug Wilson knew Heatley wanted to come to San Jose and he gave Murray a dog's breakfast in return. It was better than what Sutter got for Phaneuf, but only just.

Calgary's situation is such that perhaps some players will waive their NTC just to go to a contender or some other team better positioned for success this season, but that doesn't make the clause entirely a non-issue.

The NMC is the one that is the hardest to deal with because in Sarich's case he can't even be waived and sent to Abbotsford without his permission. That is one contract that the Flames will be much better having put behind them this summer. Glencross, Jokinen and Iginla also have NMCs which are less troublesome because they have a greater contribution to the team's performance, but are difficult to move, nonetheless.

Oh certainly, there are some higher-profile situations where they've been invoked. And probably some where we never hear about it. That said, guys with NTCs get traded all the time; whether or not it's always an ideal trade, the kinds of guys Calgary might be moving would be fairly cheap cap-wise, rentals, and the kind of dudes who most teams could use in a depth role (or in the case of Stempniak/Hannan/Bourque, they might be considered for a top 6/4 role).

The Heatley trade was more the exception than the rule in terms of how public it was, so I don't think it's the best comparison for what Calgary might end up doing.

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