Famous Demotions

Lowetide
December 17 2011 06:46AM

Magnus Paajarvi took it like a man. A demotion is never an easy thing, but older folks will tell you good things can come from times of trouble. The list of men who have gone before him is, well, pretty damn long.

The most famous Oiler demotion came early in franchise history. Mark Messier had done a few things to get the attention of the elders, but missing a flight won him a ticket to the Central Hockey League. In late October of 1979, the news hit the fan.

Legend has it Messier partied all of his days in Houston and came back as cocky as ever. Either way, Paajarvi's situation is different and not nearly as famous.

Magnus Paajarvi lost his job. I can create a back story that suggests coach Renney didn't put him in a position to succeed but then again the player didn't exactly force him to re-think the decision to move him down the depth chart. He isn't scoring and what's more he is spending little time in the scoring zones and his healthy scratches are becoming more common.

It's time for a change, 

HOW BAD IS IT?

Not that bad. Paajarvi has played 273 minutes at even strength with 3 assists. If he had three more points the young man would be on the same pace as one year ago. I don't think it's terminal and in fact will help him get some swagger back. We should be watching for lots of goals and assists, a player of Magnum's calibre should be able to score at more than a point-per-game. The AHL is a tough league so he'll have to work for it.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers haven't had a failed first round pick since Rob Schremp in 2004--I define a failed first round pick as any skater with fewer than 250 NHL games played--and Paajarvi is extremely unlikely to fail as an NHLer to that level. He may have to change his game a little and become less of a perimeter player. He's skilled and has great speed, but NHL goaltenders get beaten most of the time in the offensive scoring zones.

Magnus Paajarvi spends too little time in those zones. Perimeter skill forwards with average shots don't survive in the NHL.

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#51 DSF
December 17 2011, 02:47PM
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Frank wrote:

Sam Gagner and Nikolai Khabibulin and 2nd rd pick to Toronto for Nikolai

Kulemin and Jake Gardiner.

Tyler Bozak - 29GP, 6G, 13A, 19P +3

Sam Gagner - 24GP, 3G, 9A, 12P -3.

With Connolly, Grabovski, Lombardi and Steckel already on the team and Joe Colborne playing very well in limited minutes, I doubt you get even a sniff from Toronto on that deal.

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#52 michael
December 17 2011, 03:24PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I'd trade Gilbert in a heartbeat, even though he's impressed me the last couple games, but to get coutuire or shenn that would call for Eberle and a 1st rd pick and besides shenn is out long term with a concussion.

The reasoning behind my thought to to trade Gilbert is the fact that Gilbert has played well. He is at an alltime high in terms of market value. The Flyers are in need of a puck moving dman who can chew up 2-25 minutes a night. Courtier is an unproven forward on a team flush with forward depth. He played a grand total of 5:31 today and was -1 against Boston. By trading for him I believe we can shore up our 2cd line with a player who has size and skill. Gilbert is going to be a #2 or 3 dman for years to come. Philly needs a dman right now. We need a cd line center with "size" to compliment what we have in RNH,Hall and Eberle.

Hemsky is not going to play on the 2cd line moving forward. My other thought was to package Hemsky and Eager to the Rangers for Dylan McIlwrath and a pick. The Rangers could use Hesky's skill and Eagers grit. We could use a monster like DM on the backend who hits and plays tough.

This team is not good enough from 4-12. The backend needs some size and toughness moving forward. A player like Hemsky has value to the right team and so does Gilbert. I think its the right time to utilize those assets to aquire the assets we will need moving forward when we will be able to compete.

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#53 DSF
December 17 2011, 06:43PM
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michael wrote:

The reasoning behind my thought to to trade Gilbert is the fact that Gilbert has played well. He is at an alltime high in terms of market value. The Flyers are in need of a puck moving dman who can chew up 2-25 minutes a night. Courtier is an unproven forward on a team flush with forward depth. He played a grand total of 5:31 today and was -1 against Boston. By trading for him I believe we can shore up our 2cd line with a player who has size and skill. Gilbert is going to be a #2 or 3 dman for years to come. Philly needs a dman right now. We need a cd line center with "size" to compliment what we have in RNH,Hall and Eberle.

Hemsky is not going to play on the 2cd line moving forward. My other thought was to package Hemsky and Eager to the Rangers for Dylan McIlwrath and a pick. The Rangers could use Hesky's skill and Eagers grit. We could use a monster like DM on the backend who hits and plays tough.

This team is not good enough from 4-12. The backend needs some size and toughness moving forward. A player like Hemsky has value to the right team and so does Gilbert. I think its the right time to utilize those assets to aquire the assets we will need moving forward when we will be able to compete.

Couturier took a slapshot off the temple earlier today.

He's out with a concussion.

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#54 Kristopher
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michael wrote:

The reasoning behind my thought to to trade Gilbert is the fact that Gilbert has played well. He is at an alltime high in terms of market value. The Flyers are in need of a puck moving dman who can chew up 2-25 minutes a night. Courtier is an unproven forward on a team flush with forward depth. He played a grand total of 5:31 today and was -1 against Boston. By trading for him I believe we can shore up our 2cd line with a player who has size and skill. Gilbert is going to be a #2 or 3 dman for years to come. Philly needs a dman right now. We need a cd line center with "size" to compliment what we have in RNH,Hall and Eberle.

Hemsky is not going to play on the 2cd line moving forward. My other thought was to package Hemsky and Eager to the Rangers for Dylan McIlwrath and a pick. The Rangers could use Hesky's skill and Eagers grit. We could use a monster like DM on the backend who hits and plays tough.

This team is not good enough from 4-12. The backend needs some size and toughness moving forward. A player like Hemsky has value to the right team and so does Gilbert. I think its the right time to utilize those assets to aquire the assets we will need moving forward when we will be able to compete.

While we are trading our actual useful players for magic beans, why dont we go ahead and trade away khabilbulin and nugent hopkins for some prospects and draft picks. Because unproven wishful thinking is always better than actual players on the ice.

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#55 Kit
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Good Idea let trade RNH and Khabilbulin for Toews and Emery.

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