ALES HEMSKY: WHAT TO DO?

Robin Brownlee
December 02 2011 10:16AM

There was a time when Ales Hemsky was healthy and easily the most dynamic offensive player on the roster of the Edmonton Oilers. Today, with unrestricted free agency looming next summer, he is neither.

Hemsky, many observers will tell you, doesn't look altogether right these days. He doesn't look engaged. Is he simply feeling his way back into form from yet another shoulder surgery? Is the shoulder still not right? Is Hemsky unhappy or distracted?

I don't know the answer to those questions, but I do know a few things as I try to get a read on the 28-year-old Czech right winger – his durability is in question, given his injury history the past few seasons, and he's been passed on the Wow-Meter by Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and rookie sensation Ryan Nugent-Hopkins in the minds of most Oilers fans. He's not the biggest name on the marquee.

So, with Hemsky in the final year of a multi-year contract that pays him $5 million this season, where does he fit moving forward with the Oilers? Does he fit? Should GM Steve Tambellini be looking to re-sign Hemsky or should he be looking at trading him?

What to do?

DECISIONS COMING

Going into tonight's game against the Columbus Blue Jackets, Hemsky has played in 14 of 25 games. He's scored just 2-6-8 and has often looked less than his usual dynamic self when he has played.

Injuries, notably shoulder and concussion problems, limited Hemsky to 47 games in 2010-11 and 22 games in 2009-10. Despite all the time missed in those two campaigns, Hemsky was productive when he did get into the line-up. He had 42 points last season and 22 two years ago, which is about the pace you'd expect from somebody who has scored at a .80 PPG clip during his career – 116-287-403 in 504 regular season games.

This season? Not so much. Numbers aside, a lot of people, myself included, have opined Hemsky just doesn't look "right." We don't like his "body language." Not being an expert in such matters – is there such a thing as an expert in body language? – that's hardly any kind of defining assessment.

On the bench and on the ice, Hemsky often looks listless, devoid of any outward emotion, disinterested. It could be nothing more than that Hemsky is struggling with confidence or worried about his shoulder. Could be.

In the past, specifically in the seasons the Oilers have struggled since they made their Stanley Cup run, Hemsky has been frustrated by a combination of injuries and losing. That's understandable.

That said, Hemsky seemed genuinely excited about this season. He talked about the addition of talented kids like Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins. About the Oilers being on the upswing. He talked about being happy, connected and settled in Edmonton, about liking it here.

What he said last fall and what we're seeing now seem at odds, no?

WHAT'S NEXT?

It wasn't that long ago that Hemsky's $4.1 million cap hit was seen as pretty much a bargain for the Oilers. Two or three years ago when he was coming off seasons of 71 and 66 points, it seemed a certainty Hemsky would cash-in on this next contract.

That's anything but certain now. Hemsky and agent Jiri Crha will leave money on the table if the kind of performance we're seeing now continues. If anybody is talking about Hemsky being worth $6 million or so a season over a term of five or six years these days, I'm not hearing it.

If you're of the mind Tambellini should re-sign Hemsky, it's not difficult to argue he's got all the leverage and the time is right. "Ales, we want you stay. We think you can bounce back . . ." At a discounted rate, of course. Is that the way to go? Is there a line-up of teams out there willing to pay top dollar if Hemsky hits unrestricted free agency?

If you're of the mind Hemsky is expendable behind Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins and he should be shopped around, what's Tambellini's asking price now? What's a reasonable return?

The way I see it, Hemsky's value is as low now as it's ever been. If you try to make a move now you don't get much back. If you decide to wait and hope that Hemsky plays his way out of this and he doesn't, you get even less later as the trade deadline gets nearer.

What to do?

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#51 book¡e
December 02 2011, 12:34PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

No chance Hemsky signs a one-year deal with anybody. His shoulder is a question mark and he obviously knows it better than anybody.

He's not going to take a one-year deal, even at an overpay of, say, $5.5 million, knowing he might be done with another injury if he can get the security of, say, four years at $4 million per season. Big difference in the total amount.

I think it depends on how Hemsky and his Drs feel about the shoulder. If they think its solid, then he might take a one year deal to prove what he can do so as to cash in on the next deal.

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#52 MAC962
December 02 2011, 12:43PM
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Dont let the door hit you in the VAG on the way out Alice. Typical Euro wuss. Trade him, package him up. I will even drive him to the airport.

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#53 KidsInTheHall!
December 02 2011, 12:47PM
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Sign him to a 1 year deal for what is fair IMO BUT... make it clear that the mentality has changed here and if he continues to seem disinterested then he doesn't fit with the Oilers culture anymore. Like Renney said on Oil Change:

"If you're not willing to sacrifice, if you're not willing to put yourself out there. If you're not willing to lose a little bit of your own identity in order to make this team better, in order to help all of us win. If your expectations are just to go out and do your best. If you think good enough is good enough, then quite honestly you won't be here."

In the time he has been back this season he certainly hasn't wowed me, but I know he has the skill to do so if he chooses.

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#54 Pucker
December 02 2011, 12:50PM
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I haven't read all the comments, so please forgive me if I'm repeating.

I have been frustrated with Hemsky for a couple of years. Previous years he'd get the points but I always thought he hung onto the puck too much - particularly on power plays. But at the end of the day he'd have 2 or 3 points.

This season he's doing the same thing but exagerated more, plus throw in more turnovers not posting the points.

He's definetly a talent. A joy to watch when he's flying.I've seen it a couple times this season.

Robin - you mentioned on yesterday's show asking him what's up. I hope you do and I would certainly be interested in hearing his reply whether it's the standard canned reply, or he really speaks what's on his mind.

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#55 oilnbc
December 02 2011, 12:55PM
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I have been thinking for weeks that he looks like he is pouting ..........maybe because he isn't 'the man' any more ...........not on the first line ; not on the first power play unit ; being outplayed by a 18 year old ..If we could get a winger with size and a prospect for him I am signing that one in a heart beat

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#56 roger
December 02 2011, 12:58PM
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a few tears would be shed at my house if he is traded. that being said i could never be a gm i always vote with my heart, and this team would still have a dougy weight and jason smith ryan smyth would never have been traded and hemsky would always fit in my top 6.

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#57 Dave
December 02 2011, 01:02PM
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@Oilerbill

Again, valid-excellent point.

What I was trying to get across is..secondary scoring is needed on championship teams, everyone who watches hockey knows that. But, with the lack of size in the top 6 wouldn't it be worth considering dangling Hemsky and whatever else for something closer an actual power forward (size+points). Minus the last game vs Minny this team still continues to show signs of being fairly easy to play against.

I just thought it was a different take on the situation.

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#58 Rama Lama
December 02 2011, 01:08PM
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Hemsky issues, and there are many, will not be resolved in Edmonton. He has been eclipsed by 18 year olds who play a more complete, team oriented, emotional game.

I know that many will feel based on his past performance, that we should try and keep him........but at what cost. We cannot have five star players earning 4 to 6 million so who goes. IMHO, we should keep room on the shelf for Eberle, Hall and RNH and maybe MPS. We also have a fairly long list of players that should be give an opportunity in the next couple of years.

Keeping Hemsky will not be financially viable unless we give up on others, and therein lies the real issue.......who goes?

It's ironic, since Hemsky has come back from his injuries the Oilers have played very inconsistently. Every player in the NHL has figured out how to play against him, and do so very easily. He is not hard on the puck anymore and could learn a lesson from the younger players in so many areas.

It's time for him to be encouraged to go to the light. Robin your assessment is on the mark.

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#59 Oilerbill
December 02 2011, 01:36PM
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@Rama Lama

The oilers have a lot of signing to do this summer and depending on the deals they do this summer a lot more next year. They have 6 contracts that carry into 2013 and only one to 2014. They are set up quite well but it is the next two years of contracts that will define this team in the years to come. They can sign Hemsky long term, 4-5 years for 16-18 mil and still be in good shape. It all comes down to Hemsky and if his heart is in Edmonton.

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#60 A-Mc
December 02 2011, 01:38PM
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@Rama Lama

That is one thing that nags at my brain too.

The Oilers did best without him early this season. I'm not sure if it's his fault or not, but something changed when he came back.

Maybe it is all coincidence.

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#61 Torcida
December 02 2011, 01:44PM
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Since talented free agents love coming here to play, let's trade one of talented players. If the guys wants to be here why get rid of him. As of now not too many players want to come here, I hope that changes. So let's not push Hemsky out of town, also goes with Gagner too. We know they haven't been played great, both coming off injuries and it's only been 10 or so games for both.

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#62 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
December 02 2011, 01:48PM
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Torcida wrote:

Since talented free agents love coming here to play, let's trade one of talented players. If the guys wants to be here why get rid of him. As of now not too many players want to come here, I hope that changes. So let's not push Hemsky out of town, also goes with Gagner too. We know they haven't been played great, both coming off injuries and it's only been 10 or so games for both.

What he said

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#63 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 02 2011, 01:51PM
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@Rama Lama

"Every player in the NHL has figured out how to play against him, and do so very easily."

lolzzzz

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#64 misfit
December 02 2011, 01:58PM
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Hemsky is already gone IMO, Tambellini just hasn't made the trade yet.

Its too bad (I know theres an apostrophy in its and theres, but for some reason, my keyboard puts an è whenever I try to type one all of a sudden), because I feel like an extension is the way to go.

As disinterested as Hemsky may look to some (and you would know better than I, RB), the Oilers seem even less interested in keeping him here.

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#65 WOJO99
December 02 2011, 02:05PM
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Keep your best players! It's called depth, the talks of "if only hemsky had someone to play with" well he does now. KEEP YOU BEST PLAYERS and how we fit 83 under the cap is the job of a good GM. Of course the money has work but you would think coming of an injury the oilers could sacrifice term for cap hit. 83 was beast in the 06 run showed heart, scoring touch, and a willingness to go to the tough areas to score goals what more could an oil fan want! Oil get rid of Hemmer the RW depth gets worse. But of course we could trade him for draft picks and B level prospects at the deadline

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#66 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 02 2011, 02:06PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Hemsky issues, and there are many, will not be resolved in Edmonton. He has been eclipsed by 18 year olds who play a more complete, team oriented, emotional game.

I know that many will feel based on his past performance, that we should try and keep him........but at what cost. We cannot have five star players earning 4 to 6 million so who goes. IMHO, we should keep room on the shelf for Eberle, Hall and RNH and maybe MPS. We also have a fairly long list of players that should be give an opportunity in the next couple of years.

Keeping Hemsky will not be financially viable unless we give up on others, and therein lies the real issue.......who goes?

It's ironic, since Hemsky has come back from his injuries the Oilers have played very inconsistently. Every player in the NHL has figured out how to play against him, and do so very easily. He is not hard on the puck anymore and could learn a lesson from the younger players in so many areas.

It's time for him to be encouraged to go to the light. Robin your assessment is on the mark.

~Really good point on the 5 stars making 20 - 30 million combined, theirs no way you can pull that off~

Really makes me wonder how Boston (24 million for it's 5 earners), Buffalo (25 million for it's top 5 earners), Chicago (29 million for it's top 5 earners), Detroit (27 million for it's top 5 earners) LA (28 million for it's top 5), Flyers (26 for 5), Pens (29 for 5), Sharks (30 for 5) TB (29 for 5), Canucks (26 for 5)Caps (32 for 5) does it???

.... Wait a minute here..... maybe you can win with your top 5 players maing between 20 - 30 million?!?!?!?!

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#67 Crooked
December 02 2011, 02:13PM
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Gaborik and Havlat got ridiculous contracts, despite being injury prone Czech right wingers. I'd expect Hemsky to get a similar deal to Havlat ($30m/6 years), assuming he stays healthy and contributes down the stretch.

If Hemsky can stay healthy, and it's obvious the Oilers aren't quite ready to seriously contend for a playoff spot, then I'd certainly look to trade him before the deadline. Otherwise, keep him, play him, and hope for the best.

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#68 RexLibris
December 02 2011, 02:13PM
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@Robin Brownlee

That's what I was thinking in terms of dollar amount and contract time, too, Robin.

Give him some security, at this point in his career my gut tells me that what he really wants (because if I were in his shoes it's what I'd be looking for) is for someone to say we believe in you enough to give you a long-term contract. I would aim for the $4 to $4.2 million a year range, with no clauses attached. With the league going into another round of CBA negotiations that might turn out to be another excellent deal after the dust settles.

Do they have to wait until after Christmas to sing players to extensions?

I just don't think this team has the depth on the wing that would allow us to let him walk. Hemsky, in my mind, is the kind of secondary scoring winger that makes teams better in the playoffs. One of my fears with this team as it develops is that our line of Hall, RNH, and Eberle will be like Spezza, Alfredsson, and Heatley: a great line with little or no depth to back it up.

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#69 VK63
December 02 2011, 02:15PM
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I drive a long freaking way to sit in a very expensive seat and for many years 83 has made the trek a worthwhile sacrifice..... this I cannot claim for an endless cast of others during his tenure.

He has been a beacon of light in a veritable abyss of absolute drudgery. I realize its a what have you done for me lately league..... but Ales Hemsky has earned his next contract IMO.

I feel compelled to mention that his body has been sacrificed in an effort to actually do something productive... like score a goal or make a play. That alone puts him on a very short list of worthy mentions in the 6 years hes been here.

HOWEVER

the list of dudes who fleeced (and continue to fleece) this organization for large and gave us limited engagement efforts and sweet f all to cheer about is rather cumbersome in comparison.

my 2c

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#70 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 02 2011, 02:17PM
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@RexLibris

"One of my fears with this team as it develops is that our line of Hall, RNH, and Eberle will be like Spezza, Alfredsson, and Heatley: a great line with little or no depth to back it up."

Considering how many people are trying to run that depth out of town, it's a pretty resonable fear.

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#73 Smokey
December 02 2011, 03:36PM
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I don't think it just Hemsky who seems disinterested its MPS, Eager, Gagner, Belanger at times this year. The Oilers forward corp is a V8 running with 3 cylinders misfiring. My thoughts are this. Reward your players occasionally when their going. MPS draws two penalties last game. He plays 13 mins and gets no PP time. Give him a role. Teach him to kill penalties, he's 6'3'', got a huge reach, and he's the fastest most talented skater on the team and has great defensive awareness, teach him kill penalties. Play your 2nd PP unit to start a PP once in awhile to build confidence. These are a couple things I'd like to see Renney try. Personally I'd have no problem breaking up the first line to get the rest of the team going. Renney's been very stubborn with his lines so far this season.

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#74 mayorpoop
December 02 2011, 03:41PM
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as it may pain a wee bit to say this i kinda sorta, possibly a fraction, a smidge if anything agree with OB1's assessment of Hemsky. i think you got it right o'hooded one. whatever we do the thing we DON'T do is overpay.

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#75 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 02 2011, 03:45PM
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Man... there are some brutal arguments on here today. I get it... most fans like two types of players: Gretzky and Semenko. You either put up huge, insane numbers or you throw a big hit... otherwise you are invisible.

Hemsky is not and will never be Gretzky, Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. His pedigree doesn't indicate that (drafted 7th 2001). He's a guy that scores at a .80 PPG clip over his career - ie. not some flash in the pan Cheechoo, Gomez, etc. type one-off situation. He has a career of performance.

403 points in 504 games is effing amazing! Show some damn respect! How can you say this:

@Dave said: "He looks good skill wise but never puts up results."

about does a guy with those numbers?! no results?? what??

Look at my post yesterday, #40:

http://oilersnation.com/2011/12/1/the-nuuuge-finally-a-calder-kid/page/1#comments

he fits in right where you'd not only expect, but HOPE your #7 pick would! he's more than payed off his draft bet. Look at that elite group of players he's with! If he was on any other team and you only saw his highlights and his stat sheet you'd have a totally different impression of him.

To those who think he's tanked it so far this year... a couple of thoughts:

He's come off major surgery, missing a sizeable portion of the last two seasons; missing TC, most of the exhibition games, was reinjured, is playing with new linemates... and ... what? his production is definitely down... but by how much....?

He's played 13 full games this year (he left one game after 5mins). he has 8 points = .62 PPG. That's down for sure... but is it FREAK OUT WORTHY?? Burn the house and hide the diamonds and other irrational behavior worthy?

That kind of dip in PPG % is going happen over the course of every player's year at some time regardless of injury, conditioning etc. Not to mention the small sample size.

~whatever, the guy who is 8th on the team in scoring after playing just over half the games of the rest of the team is probably expendable for bag of dicks... i mean pucks~

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#76 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 02 2011, 03:56PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Who is trying to run "that depth" out of town and who constitutes that depth?

Fans that have been pushing hard for months (years) for Gagners trade and for weeks for Hemsky's trade.

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#77 vetinari
December 02 2011, 04:01PM
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I've enjoyed Ales over the years but if they talk extension, I think both sides would have to look at a one year deal because Ales has either been too injured to be as productive as normal or else has lost his sense of what his place is on the team now that Smyth is back (and in fine form) and the big three kids are exceeding expectations.

Ales has to decide whether to commit for another year and try to regain his form in Edmonton or else catch the next flight out at the trade deadline. I hope for the former but believe it will be the latter. If he gets traded, I hope it's for a top 2 defenceman looking for a long term home.

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#78 RexLibris
December 02 2011, 04:02PM
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Whenever I start to worry about Paajarvi's appearing lost this season, or of Omark getting washed out of town without really knowing what kind of player he can be, or now of Hemsky being "disinterested" or whatever it is he is being accused of, I go to Flamesnation. I read about Sarich demanding a trade and Iginla being concommital about his future and a 30th place home PP %. Then I feel better. Funny that.

I can't understand comments saying that Hemsky looks like he's sulking or petulant. It's not like he's Petr Klima here, I don't think he's pouting because he's not the centre of attention anymore. Neither is he Jason Smith who'll wear his heart on his sleeve. He's not that kind of person, many people aren't. Hemsky plays a certain style, and the league knows it, but that doesn't make him easier to defend against. Everyone knows how Kane and Toews play, or Stamkos and Lecavalier (I'm not saying Hemsky is as good as those four). Knowing what Hemsky will do and actually preventing him from doing it aren't necessarily the same thing. He's still one of the most talented players on the team and probably has more skill than all but a handful of the NHL players in this province. A good team has a player like Hemsky in their lineup.

And how have we made it this far into a comments section without someone saying we should trade Gagner?

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#79 VK63
December 02 2011, 04:03PM
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Smokey wrote:

I don't think it just Hemsky who seems disinterested its MPS, Eager, Gagner, Belanger at times this year. The Oilers forward corp is a V8 running with 3 cylinders misfiring. My thoughts are this. Reward your players occasionally when their going. MPS draws two penalties last game. He plays 13 mins and gets no PP time. Give him a role. Teach him to kill penalties, he's 6'3'', got a huge reach, and he's the fastest most talented skater on the team and has great defensive awareness, teach him kill penalties. Play your 2nd PP unit to start a PP once in awhile to build confidence. These are a couple things I'd like to see Renney try. Personally I'd have no problem breaking up the first line to get the rest of the team going. Renney's been very stubborn with his lines so far this season.

yah like perhaps a twirl in OT when theres one less pilon to get in his way.

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#80 Oilerbill
December 02 2011, 04:04PM
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misfit wrote:

Hemsky is already gone IMO, Tambellini just hasn't made the trade yet.

Its too bad (I know theres an apostrophy in its and theres, but for some reason, my keyboard puts an è whenever I try to type one all of a sudden), because I feel like an extension is the way to go.

As disinterested as Hemsky may look to some (and you would know better than I, RB), the Oilers seem even less interested in keeping him here.

In the bottom right corner of your screen there should be a keyboard. Click on it and select english US. If you use English Canada it gets all messed up.

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#81 Quicksilver ballet
December 02 2011, 04:09PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

pssst, you forgetted Paajarvi and Whitney sir :)

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#82 dazzer64
December 02 2011, 04:14PM
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Hemsky is best helped by a European, skilled and large centerman.

So if he is to flourish, that's what's needed.

He has not done well with North American style centermen. A guy that bangs, or heads for the net, or gets greasy goals, he just doesn't connect. Hemsky loves to pass, thinks pass, doesn't shoot, doesn't like to shoot. You can see when he has the puck in a difficult situation, he thinks the play deserves a pass, not a wasted shot. This is a European attitude of a certain generation.

Forgive me if I say that he has not adapted well to the NHL. If he had, he would just have bent to what the coaches were telling him and shot at most times, but he hasn't. He plays as an individual now, as if unconnected to his teammates in thinking and intent. It really hasn't changed much since he has been here.

I really believe that he needs to find a new home, with a team like the Detroit Red Wings, or another team with whom he can make the adjustment.

Also, his comments about his interest about not wanting to defend, thinking it is outside his responsibilities as an offensive player got me to thinking his weaknesses involve some rigidity in thinking. That is deadly to team play. He has not developed offensive weapons, not developed all that much, if truth be told, but a great offensive player according to what he brings.

If he was to do well here, he would need that centreman or it's no use.

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#83 Dave
December 02 2011, 04:17PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I never once wasn't claiming he wasn't a skilled player, a potential allstar or anything of the such. We as fans only dream of having his talents and skills when we played.

The point I was trying to make was perhaps, just maybe, that our elite top 6 are all too similar and maybe just maybe Hemsky could be a piece of the puzzle to acquire another player in the 0.70-0.80 ppg range with another sub set of skills that Hemsky doesn't have such as a power/skill forward vs Hemsky's pure skill-etc.

Remember that span of time when Canada couldn't win a World Championship or Gold at Olympics (Men's not World Juniors) and it was finally decided we need to pick the team based on parts of a puzzle vs all the best top players. I'm merely suggesting that this could be the case. So, maybe just maybe, it is time to find that Lucic or Kesler or whatever...and he could be a part of it vs. what may happen in the offseason. Just an idea.

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#84 Pucker
December 02 2011, 04:29PM
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I've thought about it and decided:

They gotta do whatever Hemsky wants to do.

If he wants to stay an Oiler, he is a talent and an asset. If he wants to go . . . we're either keeping him for a playoff run, letting him walk at the end of the season, or trading him for potential.

Where ever his head's at. That being the point of the article.

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#85 mayorpoop
December 02 2011, 04:48PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Fans that have been pushing hard for months (years) for Gagners trade and for weeks for Hemsky's trade.

i hope that depth can be defined by more than those two. fans don't run players out of town they voice a distaste/hatred/venom (fill in the word) that has no bearing on 'real' decisions made by 'real' people. my poor arm chair gm'ing is not akin to Mr. Dithers poor 'real' gm'ing.

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#86 BcOil
December 02 2011, 05:02PM
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Would you trade Hemsky for Penner and a prospect and a 2nd round draft choice? I would becasue I think Penner would come back like Smith realising he had it real good here and actaully be motivated...........at his size and motivated he 'could" be a big piece going forward.

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#87 Ryan La
December 02 2011, 05:17PM
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What until Whitney gets back to speed as he is the only one capable of sending Hemmer in the o-zone with speed via ridiculous pass. Also that second unit pp he is on doesnt work. He has no one to pass to. Jones? Belanger? Cmon.

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#88 Putzstew
December 02 2011, 05:59PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Maybe we can include you in the deal when he's traded. I'm sure they'll alow you to bring your pompoms and rose computed glasses. There have been plenty of good arguments, maybe you should try reading with your eyes wide open? As for reasons to keep him the only thing you come up with is that he puts up points. You should probably change that to " he use to put up points".

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#89 Robin Brownlee
December 02 2011, 07:21PM
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Penner?

Smyth has always been motivated. Before he left. After he left. Now that he's back. You have not to seen enough of Penner to have a read on him yet? Seriously? Coming back will motivate him?

I don't want any player that comes with the caveat "if he's motivated . . ."

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#90 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 02 2011, 07:31PM
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@Dave

Well I was only responding you your claim that Hemsky doesn't put up results, which I think is a laughable position.

I have no problem with trading him. I do however have a problem with people holding positions wholly unmoored from reality.

It's no good for the team as it is nor for any trade we might accomplish to undervalue our assets.

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#91 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 02 2011, 07:38PM
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Putzstew wrote:

Maybe we can include you in the deal when he's traded. I'm sure they'll alow you to bring your pompoms and rose computed glasses. There have been plenty of good arguments, maybe you should try reading with your eyes wide open? As for reasons to keep him the only thing you come up with is that he puts up points. You should probably change that to " he use to put up points".

which arguments are those???

So far I've heard:

He doesn't produce..... ummm no evidence for that!

He's a filthy European.... ah the Old Don Cherry argument, tight as a drum!

His production is down this year... well that's true but show me an elite player who doesn't experience a dip in production over the course of a year... small sample size, coming off injury and he's still out producing a lot of guys on the team!

No one likes him... well the best I've seen for this so far is he isn't enamored with the press and Hall said he took some time to adjust to.... wow! Locker Room Poison!! Pretty weak evidence... not to mention why would they make him an A-Captain if that were the case??

He's been surpassed by younger talent.... ok let's concede that. So what? you suddenly can't afford a .80 PPG player on the Oil?? better tell most of the team to pack their bags!

~He's too selfish always hogging the puck... no wait I mean he doesn't shoot, he's always passing... aww crap I can't remember which contradictory thing I hate about his game~

I probably forgot a few... but so far these are childish arguments at best! Not unlike one's you've made before:

http://oilersnation.com/2011/11/24/four-2/page/2#comments

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#92 Oilcruzer
December 02 2011, 08:19PM
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18 M. 4yrs.

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#93 RossCreekNation
December 02 2011, 08:38PM
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Oilerbill wrote:

Hey maybe we can trade Eager and Hemmer for Lucic! The B's are going to be in cap trouble by next year anyway!! :> :> :> :>

I would do that deal in a second!!

Umm... why are the Bruins going to be in cap trouble next year?

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#94 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 02 2011, 08:49PM
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Umm... why are the Bruins going to be in cap trouble next year?

amazingly they have more room than the Oil!

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#95 Oilerbill
December 02 2011, 09:53PM
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Ross and Romulus

Next year Bruins have a 51 million dollars spent. That great. They only have 13 contracts.

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#96 Oilerbill
December 02 2011, 09:56PM
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FYI the Oilers have 37.3 spent next year and have 14 contracts.

Amazingly the Oil have a lot more room than the Bruins

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#97 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 02 2011, 10:14PM
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cool. thanks for the update. I just looked at the current numbers and was shocked to see us getting a bigger hit.

I imagine they'll be a bit tight this offseason!

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#98 RossCreekNation
December 02 2011, 11:17PM
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Oilerbill wrote:

Ross and Romulus

Next year Bruins have a 51 million dollars spent. That great. They only have 13 contracts.

Yes. And they have all major players signed. They'll have ~$15M to spend on 10 bottom-tier guys...

UFA's: Kelly, Campbell, Paille, Thornton, Corvo, Boychuk.

RFA's: Pouliot, Rask.

They'll be just fine.

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#99 Oilerbill
December 03 2011, 01:44AM
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Yes. And they have all major players signed. They'll have ~$15M to spend on 10 bottom-tier guys...

UFA's: Kelly, Campbell, Paille, Thornton, Corvo, Boychuk.

RFA's: Pouliot, Rask.

They'll be just fine.

Yeah I am sure Rask will sign for less than 4 mil? Kelly being on pace for close to 30 goals will be cheap to replace And it's not like Boychuk has been very important on their blue line. I am sure they will just grab a guy for 1 mil and be fine.

Add 4 for Rask 3 for Kelly and 2.5 for Boychuk. Those are very conservative numbers. If kelly and boychuk go on the market they will get more than that. So that's 9.5 on three guys. I am sure the other seven won't mind making league minimum oh wait league min is 525k and they have 7 spots left so that's another 3.67 Since your so good at math Ross that's just over 13 million. And btw they have 13.4 projected cap space next year not 15. But you're right I am sure they will be fine.

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#100 RossCreekNation
December 03 2011, 09:37AM
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Oilerbill wrote:

Yeah I am sure Rask will sign for less than 4 mil? Kelly being on pace for close to 30 goals will be cheap to replace And it's not like Boychuk has been very important on their blue line. I am sure they will just grab a guy for 1 mil and be fine.

Add 4 for Rask 3 for Kelly and 2.5 for Boychuk. Those are very conservative numbers. If kelly and boychuk go on the market they will get more than that. So that's 9.5 on three guys. I am sure the other seven won't mind making league minimum oh wait league min is 525k and they have 7 spots left so that's another 3.67 Since your so good at math Ross that's just over 13 million. And btw they have 13.4 projected cap space next year not 15. But you're right I am sure they will be fine.

First, that $13.4M is with THIS years salary cap. Chances are, it increases a mil or 2 next year (like its done every other year), or there's a rollback.

Second, Marc Savard's $4M will be on LTIR, meaning they can go over the cap by that amount. Not to mention the bonus cushion will be back, meaning they could actually count Seguin's cap hit as $900K instead of $3.55M.

Third, I'm sure you're right, they'll re-sign Boychuk (overrated 3rd pairing guy that hits) & Kelly (nice depth guy, no doubt, but not irreplaceable - they've already chosen Peverly over him) and then trade Lucic because they're in cap trouble... for Hemsky, no less. Makes sense.

Fourth, Rask is not getting a $4M cap hit with Thomas there.

Fifth, Pete Chiarelli is one of the best GM's out there. They'll be just fine.

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