SO HONEST IT HURTS

Robin Brownlee
December 27 2011 05:02PM

Fans growing frustrated watching Ryan Whitney of the Edmonton Oilers struggle to bounce back from ankle surgery and find his game have nothing on the hobbled defenseman. He feels your pain, and then some.

That became abundantly clear today as Whitney met with reporters in a hallway outside the Oilers dressing room after the team skated in Leduc to discuss the tendinitis that kept him out of Tom Renney's line-up in a 5-3 loss to the Vancouver Canucks Monday.

The latest setback for Whitney – a right ankle that hasn't healed and come around as expected since doctors re-attached a torn tendon 11 months ago – has the usually upbeat blueliner feeling down and out, even if he tried to put a positive spin on how he's feeling these days.

You think it sucks to watch Whitney struggling on the ice like he's skating on two left feet without the ability to play the way he's shown he's capable of with the Oilers fading fast in the Western Conference?

Listen to him.

ANATOMY OF THE INJURY

"I had a really uncommon injury last year," said Whitney, who has played in 17 games this season and in just 52 of Edmonton's last 117 games. "The surgery went well, it was a success, but it doesn't happen very often so there's some question marks.

"I had an MRI and the surgery looks good, but my ankle is just so weak right now. So, because of that, it's pretty unstable. It's tough to skate. It's pronating in (rolling inward on the arch of the foot) is the problem.

"Until it strengthens, which, really, I don't know when that will be, they (doctors) think it will definitely happen, so that's a good sign. Until that really stops, my foot will always fall in and that puts pressure on that tendon, the post-tib tendon (posterior tibial tendon).

"That causes tendinitis after pressure is being put on it so often skating. The unfortunate thing for me is I haven't been able to skate yet. I don't feel right out there, you know? At the same time, I'm still playing on a foot, or little more than a foot."

BEATING HIMSELF UP

"I'm still an average defenseman in this league," said Whitney said, who had 27 points in 35 games last season but has just three assists in 17 games this season.

"Unfortunately for myself and the team and Tambi (Steve Tambellini), I'm paid a lot more than an average defenseman. So, it's a tough time mentally and physically just because you don't know when it will get better.

"When it's unstable, the problem of the foot falling in, I can play. It's no issue. I'm by no means, I think everyone's aware, playing at the level I did last year. I can. It's not for lack of effort. It's just the foot isn't exactly doing what I need it to do.

"When that pain's there, though, I just can't do it. It's falling in and then there's pain, so it's just like two things added up. That was just the past few weeks. That'll get better and I'll be able to play, it's just I need that ankle to get stronger to get back to the player this team needs me to be and that I want to be and I'm paid to be.

"It's very frustrating. Still, it's just about me going, basically, to the ends of the earth to find a solution, whether it be this month or the summer. I just feel bad not playing, you know, at the level the team needs me because, you know, we're losing and . . . it's just a tough time. I'm not losing hope by any means, it's just physically and mentally kind of draining."

UNCERTAIN ROAD AHEAD

I asked Whitney, who will accompany the Oilers on their six-game road trip, if this is something he can play through or if he's facing an extended period of staying out of the line-up to heal properly.

"I can play through it," he said, not sounding convincing. "I don't see, really, a time soon when I'll be 100 per cent. A lot of guys aren't playing 100 per cent, so that's not necessarily a big thing. I can play through, like I said. The foot not being, you know, completely 100 per cent balanced and stable.

"As tough as that is to explain to you guys, I know it's easier for me to feel it than explain it. I can play through it. It's just about mentally being as pissed off as, I'm sure, people who are watching me, that I'm not playing as good as I have or could.

"It's not anything I'm not doing off the ice or on the ice. It's just when you go to do certain things and have quick movements and pivot and stop certain ways and it physically doesn't happen. It's just kind of an empty feeling. I can play through it. It's just, like I said, me playing average hockey and it's not really what I'm paid to do."

THIS WILL TAKE TIME

As I said off the top, and you can take this to the bank, Whitney in no more accepting of how he's playing, despite obviously mitigating circumstances and physical challenges, than fans are. This is eating away at him.

I was prompted in the scrum today to suggest that Whitney might want to cut himself some slack over this. The issue, after all, goes well beyond just "sucking it up" and playing through some pain. If only it was that easy.

"There's a difference between feeling good out there and feeling balanced, which I never feel this year, and playing poorly and getting into it," Whitney said. "The difference between that and what I'm feeling in not even being balanced and not even being . . .

"So, it's like you're playing poorly but there's no end in sight because I'm going to be battling this, right, for the next little while. If you feel good out there and it's just timing, yeah, you give yourself time.

"But when you know you've got to get used to this, I've got to learn how to play like this . . . You know, you've got to learn, like, to cover guys different. It's almost like you've got to cheat in certain ways because you can't do certain things you've always been accustomed to doing. It's really tough to explain. I feel bad, but that's me doing my best."

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#1 MAC962
December 27 2011, 05:12PM
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Wow thats got to be tough. You have heart Whit and we hope you heal. But we do understand. All the best to you. And perhaps you can pass some of that heart to Ales and help him with his sniffles.

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#2 MG
December 27 2011, 05:28PM
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The Oilers should just shut him down for the rest of the season, let him properly heal and gain strength in his ankle. Get one more high end pick and hopefully everyone can live up to their contracts next year.

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#3 Romulus' Apotheosis
December 27 2011, 05:32PM
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two responses to this:

empathy and the singular case: as an Oiler fan and a Whitney fan, I want him to succeed and I genuinely feel for the guy and his struggles. not being able to accomplish things in the manner you expect to is extremely frustrating and I feel the same amount of empathy for Whitney as I do Hemsky, Brule, Gagner and all other Oilers who have shown dazzling signs of accomplishment mixed with crushing defeats, injuries and set-backs

cynicism and the general state of things: since the question seems so obvious... how is it that a highly paid injury prone player with a career total of 71 games as an Oiler can receive such a sympathetic response from the Oiler faithful and press... but a highly paid injury prone player with a career total of 512 games as an Oiler gets cut next to no slack from the Oiler faithful and the press?

If Ales held a press conference and told everyone how sad it made him to be playing poorly would he get such a safe landing? Would it be counted as "heart"? Or would it be counted as one of his "sniffles" and "excuses"....?

(I think we suffer from a huge perception/reality problem here in ON)

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#4 ubermiguel
December 27 2011, 05:36PM
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MG wrote:

The Oilers should just shut him down for the rest of the season, let him properly heal and gain strength in his ankle. Get one more high end pick and hopefully everyone can live up to their contracts next year.

He says he can play trough it, but would he heal faster is he's not playing?

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#5 6 ring circus
December 27 2011, 05:38PM
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You have to admire Whitney for being so honest,I hope that he is in the Oilers long term plans and that he recovers fully from his injuries.A healthy Whitney along with a few more piecies, will eventually lead this team into the playoffs in a few years.

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#6 YFC Prez
December 27 2011, 05:42PM
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Has anyone ever asked Whitney what the odds are of having this same problem on the other foot? I believe this was caused by his high arches or something like that, this worries me ! Here's hoping the doctors are right and his ankle comes back to the way it was and Whitney can be the same player he was last season, I just would hate to see him go through this same ordeal all over again. A little luck for this hockey team ...please !

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#7 bazmagoo
December 27 2011, 05:43PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

100% correct there bud. Hemmer is pretty obviously suffering along the same lines as Whitney. It's a shame we aren't cutting him a little slack.

That said it's a multi million dollar business and my sympathy ends when I remember how much money these guys get paid.

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#8 @NateInVegas
December 27 2011, 05:45PM
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My frustration is at Tambellini for trading Lubo in return for a lemon. (Despite requesting the trade) Oilers Now host hasn't helped the situation either IMO.

Losing Visnovsky and Souray for virtually nothing is why the Oilers are where they are.

Keep your receipt next time...

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#9 Torcida
December 27 2011, 06:04PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

two responses to this:

empathy and the singular case: as an Oiler fan and a Whitney fan, I want him to succeed and I genuinely feel for the guy and his struggles. not being able to accomplish things in the manner you expect to is extremely frustrating and I feel the same amount of empathy for Whitney as I do Hemsky, Brule, Gagner and all other Oilers who have shown dazzling signs of accomplishment mixed with crushing defeats, injuries and set-backs

cynicism and the general state of things: since the question seems so obvious... how is it that a highly paid injury prone player with a career total of 71 games as an Oiler can receive such a sympathetic response from the Oiler faithful and press... but a highly paid injury prone player with a career total of 512 games as an Oiler gets cut next to no slack from the Oiler faithful and the press?

If Ales held a press conference and told everyone how sad it made him to be playing poorly would he get such a safe landing? Would it be counted as "heart"? Or would it be counted as one of his "sniffles" and "excuses"....?

(I think we suffer from a huge perception/reality problem here in ON)

At least they are some who still think like that, agree with you 100%

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#10 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
December 27 2011, 06:21PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

sounds like you're ready to join the Koolaid Klub.

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#11 Dave
December 27 2011, 06:25PM
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It is a tough business to be in but he still gets paid regardless. This exciting soon to be last place hockey has wore out it's welcome.

Robin will call me a mouth breather but I think he has become "imbedded".

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#12 Mitch
December 27 2011, 06:29PM
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Robin when Whitney talks about pivoting and such and not physically being able to do this correctly,I would shut him down. This is why his knee got injured. I didn't get to see his body language but just from reading his comments this guy is playing at about 60% if I had to guess.

As a fan I have always liked Whitney, all I would ask of him is to get healthy 100% healthy. I want the same for Hemsky. Renney's drop off test must stop, clearly it's a joke.

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#14 Chris.
December 27 2011, 06:47PM
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There is a very real possibility that Ryan's ankle will never do what it use to do. Maybe there will be eventual pain relief that is never accompanied by the same level of stability, and balance. Maybe the right feel is just gone forever... I'm wondering if Whitney will ever be the same.(I sure hope this isn't the case)

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#16 Dan the Man
December 27 2011, 06:51PM
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Ryan Whitney seems to me like a very honest hockey player and he seemed genuinely excited to come here when we traded for him.

Lubomir Visnovsky did not want to be here and is 35 years old, he would not be much help to us when we are going to contend. I still believe that Ryan Whitney will.

Whitney being hurt last year helped put us in a position to draft Nugent-Hopkins. We weren't making the playoffs this year with a healthy Whitney or a healthy Visnovsky. I am still fine with this trade.

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#17 CRosby31
December 27 2011, 06:55PM
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So it's official, we can start picking who we want for our 1 to 5 pick. I think it's safe to assume Tambo is going to let this sink till dead line and swing some deals for more prospects. Hemmer = gone, Jones = gone(as much as that sucks, Gags = gone...gonna be a whole lot different team next year folks...May as well accept it now. Go....ahhhh... Winnipeg? Detroit? hummmmmm.....I got it...Go Seguin!!!!!

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#18 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 27 2011, 06:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

two responses to this:

empathy and the singular case: as an Oiler fan and a Whitney fan, I want him to succeed and I genuinely feel for the guy and his struggles. not being able to accomplish things in the manner you expect to is extremely frustrating and I feel the same amount of empathy for Whitney as I do Hemsky, Brule, Gagner and all other Oilers who have shown dazzling signs of accomplishment mixed with crushing defeats, injuries and set-backs

cynicism and the general state of things: since the question seems so obvious... how is it that a highly paid injury prone player with a career total of 71 games as an Oiler can receive such a sympathetic response from the Oiler faithful and press... but a highly paid injury prone player with a career total of 512 games as an Oiler gets cut next to no slack from the Oiler faithful and the press?

If Ales held a press conference and told everyone how sad it made him to be playing poorly would he get such a safe landing? Would it be counted as "heart"? Or would it be counted as one of his "sniffles" and "excuses"....?

(I think we suffer from a huge perception/reality problem here in ON)

Great post Roma's! I think for the most part whitney is still getting the shinny new toy slack. Oiler fans eventually turn on every player, it's inevitable.... The only way Whitney avoids this fate is if he retires/skips town as a UFA next summer.

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#20 Dog Train
December 27 2011, 07:08PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I think it would help if Hemsky said something. Even the casual fan has to appreciate Whitney's straightforward approach. His problems have all centered around his feet. Hemsky has hurt just about every joint in his body and now he has a week long case of the sniffles as somebody said. All the while, Hemsky never says anything. Just my opinion on why the perceptions are so different.

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#22 DSF
December 27 2011, 07:20PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Visnovsky was a straight-up guy as well but, no, he did not want to be here and he was honest about that. He didn't force the issue or put the team in a bad spot.

Fans have a habit of piling on when things take a turn for the worse, especially when you have a situation like this one where the team has struggled for five seasons. I understand that.

Those same fans have the benefit of hindsight -- Whitney has had health issues since arriving so the trade sucked and it always will suck. Not necessarily.

Based on the age and contracts of the players at the time -- and not forgetting Visnovsky wanted to be somewhere else -- I'd make the same trade Tambellini did in a heartbeat.

Robin...I think you're cutting Tambellini way too much slack here.

It's a matter of record that Tambellini did not do his due diligence when he made the trade.

If you're suggesting the best possible return for Visnovsky was a player with a verifiable injury history who was almost certain to require surgery, I think you're vastly under rating Visnovsky's value.

While Whitney seems to be a great guy and a willing soldier, I would think Visnovsky was worth much, much more on the open market.

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#23 TigerUnderGlass
December 27 2011, 07:28PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Visnovsky was a straight-up guy as well but, no, he did not want to be here and he was honest about that. He didn't force the issue or put the team in a bad spot.

Fans have a habit of piling on when things take a turn for the worse, especially when you have a situation like this one where the team has struggled for five seasons. I understand that.

Those same fans have the benefit of hindsight -- Whitney has had health issues since arriving so the trade sucked and it always will suck. Not necessarily.

Based on the age and contracts of the players at the time -- and not forgetting Visnovsky wanted to be somewhere else -- I'd make the same trade Tambellini did in a heartbeat.

This isn't hindsight. Everyone but Tambellini knew he was a considerable injury risk and many people discussed it openly at the time of the trade....both here and elsewhere.

Go ahead and tell us all how you'd still make that trade, but don't pretend this wasn't predictable when everyone predicted it.

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#25 Dave
December 27 2011, 08:15PM
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I would hope he can survive this, Whytney seems like a deecent enough guy. Forsberg had a tough go with his ankle. It would clearly be unfortunate for a guy to work as hard as he has, to make the NHL,only to have to walk away because the body said enough.

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#26 andrewlo20@hotmail.com
December 27 2011, 08:26PM
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@@NateInVegas

They dealt Lubo because he was already in his early-mid thirties when they decided to rebuild. It didn't make sense to the Oilers management to keep him around for another 4 years before the team starts to legitimately compete, especially because he was being paid 5+ million. Whitney was only about 26 years old and in the right age bracket for a rebuilding club.

Also injuries happen to the best of players, look at the state of the NHL right now with Weber and Crosby out. Injuries don't mean that a player is a lemon.

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#27 Clarkenstein
December 27 2011, 08:32PM
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Robin maybe Souray was right when he suggested the team wanted players to get back on the ice before they were fully healed. This guy would be shut down on probably 25 other teams in the league.

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#28 DSF
December 27 2011, 08:52PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Verifiable injury history? The surgery Whitney had on his foot while with Pittsburgh was to repair a birth defect. That's not an injury.

Almost certain to require surgery? And everybody knew that except Tambellini? Seems to me there was a helluva lot of WTF here and elsewhere when I broke the story Whitney was going to opt to have surgery on his other foot as well. Didn't seem like common knowledge or inevitable to me.

You take Visnovsky. I'll take Whitney. See you in three years.

Same for you, TigerUnderGlass. Everybody predicted it? Please. Don't be trying to skate by going on memory, it won't fly with me -- show me all those predictions made before I got wind of the second surgery. Otherwise, no sale.

In three years they will likely both be out of the game.

If I was a betting man, I would wager Visnovsky will last longer and be more productive in those three years than Whitney is.

You, of course, dodged the real issue.

Was a defective Whitney the best return for a defenseman who received serious Norris consideration the season following the trade?

And there was no WTF on my part or in several other quarters that Whitney was damaged goods.

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#30 vetinari
December 27 2011, 08:56PM
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It's frustrating to watch players who you know can play better underperform for long extended stretches, especially in a cap world where you have to assess their productivity against their salary. In the category of this year's worst underperformers, guys like Whitney, Brule, Dubnyk and Hemsky are at the top of the list.

However, in Whitney's case, I actually appreciate hearing him say and acknowledge on the record, "I'm injured; I can't do what I used to but I'm trying to play through it to help the team". I can cut someone some slack when they can call a spade and spade and acknowledge what we are all seeing on the ice. I hope that he returns to form soon but it's his teammates responsility to perform well enough to take the pressure off him from trying to return prematurely.

There are no fast fixes for a team like this or a player that is in Whitney's situation but we can't keep trying the same things that didn't work before. We all knew that defence and goaltendering were going to be an issue this year and it was Tambi's and Lowe's responsibility to address these needs. I think they became so transfixed with "team toughness" by going after players like Hordichuk, Eager and Sutton that they forgot that they actually needed guys on the back end who can gain control and move the puck.

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#31 50 in 39
December 27 2011, 09:33PM
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I really do not see the need for a distinction between an injury history and birth defects in this case. Clearly the defects with Whitney's feet had some degree of likelihood of developing into physical problems (injuries) that could restrict playing time or performance. This likelihood needed to weighed when evaluating his value in the Visnovsky trade.

Even if Whitney is healthy and producing at a high level in three years, you must place a value or lack there of on the playing time missed.

I have a lot of respect for Whitney's attitude and work ethic. I hope he gets healthy and can be an impact player in the NHL again. That said, even a best case scenario seems like a loss for the Oilers.

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#32 Doug
December 27 2011, 09:39PM
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Robin,

How long will Hemsky be out?

Whats the gauge you are getting on Hemsky? Does he want to stay or go?

IS Whitney happy to be an Oiler and frustrated with the injury or does he want to move on as well?

Are the Oilers looking at anyone across the NHL they would like to bring in?

As for the team.....I think its a rebuilding team and this is how it it ups and downs. They can look terrible for a 10 minute stretch and great the next 10 minutes. I think they are on the right path and we all have to be patient.

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#33 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 27 2011, 09:51PM
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The problem with the "we'll see who's been better 3 years from now" take is that we've only got the guy under contract for 125 more games.... How many of those is he going to play? (and play at a high level) 60? 70? ... If its anywhere close to that how on earth do you re-sign the guy to anything more then one year at a time? (especially when you factor in he will then be on the wrong side of 30). And any talk of hindsight would go out the window with a quick reference back to the article directly following the trade. Whitney could still pull it out, but so far it's been a bust for the oil and yet another X on tambillinis resume.

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#34 Henry
December 27 2011, 10:07PM
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I've heard several interviews with Whitney from his days earlier than the Oilers. He seems an easy guy to like and pretty smart too. To me even the 'tweeners' that stuggle to make it in the show have superhuman speed and strength. For a borderline allstar defenseman to have to worry about his ankle buckling making routine maneuvers has to eat at his confidence making a play and let worry for his career at 28 leak in too. I really hope he beats both the physical and mental both.

I feel exactly the same way about Hemsky. This is a hell of a player that has been nicked up for a long time and has to get his confidence back with his health. I have trouble understanding why people are ready to send him packing when the offensive depth coming from the kids means that we can be a little more patient letting Hemsky get right again.

Question for Mr. Brownlee. Over the years Hemsky's answers in televised interviews seem sort of perfunctory even by hockey player standards. Would you characterize Hemsky as more on the aloof side or the shy side?

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#35 Jimmer
December 27 2011, 10:27PM
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@ Brownlee

If Whitney is shut down for the rest of the season does this force Tambo's hand to get a top pairing d-man at the trade deadline or do we flush another season down the drain and wait until the off season?

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#36 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
December 27 2011, 10:39PM
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Jimmer wrote:

@ Brownlee

If Whitney is shut down for the rest of the season does this force Tambo's hand to get a top pairing d-man at the trade deadline or do we flush another season down the drain and wait until the off season?

This season was essentially flushed in the off season when they didn't adaquatly address the defense... it's too late now.

Assuming a 95 point cut-off for the PO (which is probably conservative) the team would have to play at a 1.3 point per game clip from now until the end of the season... over a full year that's a 108 point pace.

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#37 Hax
December 27 2011, 10:41PM
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If Whitney can't play at 100% why was he playing? Its not the playoffs. I hope he heals and can get back to the player he is paid to be. My question is how long is Tambellini going to sit on his hands and do nothing to improve the defence. Whitney said that he isn't being paid to be an average defenceman. I hope Tambellini can ask himself the same question about his job.

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#38 Walter Sobchak
December 27 2011, 10:44PM
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I hope I don't come off sounding like a insensitive prick.

I don't care how Whitney feels anymore, I am not interested in what foot hurts what tendon is sore or if his foot turns in or out! I especially don't care how he feels personally! I'm tired of hearing about Hemsky and Whitney's injurys! I said it before if your hurt then quit playing the freaking game and get better!!!!!

This is and always will be a result orientated business, if you can't play then it's up to the player to get better, then the coach to make it work on the ice then the GM to find a suitable replacement. These are not happening. I watch Whitney and Hemsky fumble around the ice while the coach watched and the GM picked his nose!

I am tired of paying to watch this crap and even more tired of excuses by players, coach's and management! It is time to right this ship!

Sorry but that my feelings on this, tried not to come off as someone who doesn't empathize with the situation but I really can't when the Oilers are not willing to do the same for fans

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#41 Dave
December 27 2011, 11:54PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You really are a gem.

I don't know if you are a betting man, but you certainly are a poser. You're remarkably quick with pointed comments -- which is fine if you know your stuff -- and going heavy on the World According to DSF bit, but you seldom back it up. And no, being willing to go round and round with convoluted and shifting arguments that don't hold up doesn't count as backing it up.

Show me posts you made at the time of the trade for Whitney -- here or elsewhere -- outlining fears about his health and durability because he was injury-prone or "defective" and about how he was coming as damaged goods. Not posts by you or other people who didn't like the trade for a host of other reasons, but posts outlining this common knowledge that Whitney was not durable and likely would not be durable in the future.

Whitney played 80 games in 2004-05 in the AHL as a rookie, 77 in the AHL/NHL in 2005-06, 81 games with Pittsburgh in 2006-07 and 76 with the Penguins in 2007-08 before his first foot surgery.

Upon his return from surgery, Whitney played the balance of the season (49 games with Pittsburgh, Scranton and Anaheim. In 2009-10, he played 62 games with Anaheim and 19 with Edmonton after the trade here (a total of 81 games or a full season).

So, again, show me the red flags about Whitney's health and the host of comments by you and from "other quarters" made about them at the time of the trade. If you can't, don't waste my time with more bluster and BS.

I suggest at this time tambo does'nt make a move. he could move high end tallent for a bad return,Trading Paarvi Hemsky Omark,for Webber is just plain dumb.

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#42 mouthbreather
December 27 2011, 11:58PM
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Whitney = Gord Kluzak

Later Dude, er Dud.

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#43 TigerUnderGlass
December 28 2011, 12:20AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Same for you, TigerUnderGlass. Everybody predicted it? Please. Don't be trying to skate by going on memory, it won't fly with me.

Sorry, I don't have time to go and find anything. I'm not good enough on the interwebs to find it quickly and I have too much work to do this week. Maybe in a couple weeks.

I know it isn't good enough for you but here is my recollection.

March 3, 2010 - trade made.

March 3 and 4, lengthy discussions about Tambellini and whether or not he performed his due diligence. Also discussion that Whitney has a birth defect - more due diligence talk.

March 4 or early march 5 - I remember specifically asking you if he was going to have a second surgery because there had been discussions about his first surgery correcting a defect and I asked if he would want to correct the other.

Your response was something along the lines of "good question - stay tuned because I have something on that".

March 5 - Your post telling us all that he was going to have another surgery.

Now, even if you don't accept what I remember as accurate in any way, my question to you is this:

Given that the need for the second surgery obviously predate the trade do you believe that with the information that Tambellini had, or should have had via due diligence, that injury problems were not predictable?

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#44 Mitch
December 28 2011, 12:42AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You really are a gem.

I don't know if you are a betting man, but you certainly are a poser. You're remarkably quick with pointed comments -- which is fine if you know your stuff -- and going heavy on the World According to DSF bit, but you seldom back it up. And no, being willing to go round and round with convoluted and shifting arguments that don't hold up doesn't count as backing it up.

Show me posts you made at the time of the trade for Whitney -- here or elsewhere -- outlining fears about his health and durability because he was injury-prone or "defective" and about how he was coming as damaged goods. Not posts by you or other people who didn't like the trade for a host of other reasons, but posts outlining this common knowledge that Whitney was not durable and likely would not be durable in the future.

Whitney played 80 games in 2004-05 in the AHL as a rookie, 77 in the AHL/NHL in 2005-06, 81 games with Pittsburgh in 2006-07 and 76 with the Penguins in 2007-08 before his first foot surgery.

Upon his return from surgery, Whitney played the balance of the season (49 games with Pittsburgh, Scranton and Anaheim. In 2009-10, he played 62 games with Anaheim and 19 with Edmonton after the trade here (a total of 81 games or a full season).

So, again, show me the red flags about Whitney's health and the host of comments by you and from "other quarters" made about them at the time of the trade. If you can't, don't waste my time with more bluster and BS.

Robin I do recall shortly after Whitney was acquired, you posted that Whitney had foot issues, I don't recall at the time any other reporter mentioning this. It was the only time I ever heard of Whitney having problems up to that point. Your correct Robin there were no Red Flags. Whitney has been a model oiler bad foot or not. I'd take him even if he wants his feet cut off over Lubo...good person good teammate.

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#45 VK63
December 28 2011, 12:58AM
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So is playing good or bad for the strengthening process?

I can't imagine the mental stress of having to consciously think about something that you have spent a lifetime conditioning your body to do instinctively.

He seems like a standup guy and I hope he totally heals. It would be a shame if he never got back to a level he was personally satisfied with.

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#46 bigge small
December 28 2011, 01:19AM
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Oilers (colliers) suck!!!!!! will never know how to say "playoffs" The Media and Organization only will make you fantsize. The same team owner will continue to make money....The team should be called " The Edmonton Excusers!!!"

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#47 EasyOil
December 28 2011, 02:49AM
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bigge small wrote:

Oilers (colliers) suck!!!!!! will never know how to say "playoffs" The Media and Organization only will make you fantsize. The same team owner will continue to make money....The team should be called " The Edmonton Excusers!!!"

Was that really worth it? I mean, really? However, I like the use of the word "fantsize". Made me chuckle.

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#48 Ed in Mada
December 28 2011, 03:10AM
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If Whitney can't play at 100% why was he playing? Its not the playoffs. I hope he heals and can get back to the player he is paid to be. My question is how long is Tambellini going to sit on his hands and do nothing to improve the defence. Whitney said that he isn't being paid to be an average defenceman. I hope Tambellini can ask himself the same question about his job.

Because a 75% Whitney may still be better than a 100% Pexkhan or Plante. If NHLers only play when they are 100% fit the rosters would be very sparse many nights. As long as his performance is better than the next option he should play, provided playing does not prevent a full recovery or worsens the injury.

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#49 michael
December 28 2011, 06:26AM
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If the tendonitis is a direct relation to the surgery that says to me that Whitney should not be skating. Rather he should be working with physiotherapists to strengthen and condition that foot/feet. Regardless of he wants to play or not. The man has a life after hockey. Life is a pain if your feet ain't working. Regardless of what I think the team needs we need to look at Whitney as a person first and go from there. Shut him down for the rest of the season. Recall Tuebert.Plan for next year. Trade Smyth and resign him in the summer. Send Hemsky somewhere where he can play relative minutes on a team that going to have a chance. Shop Bulin at the deadline. Shop Eager. Shop Belanger. Ryan Murphy step on down.

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#50 OilFan
December 28 2011, 08:50AM
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How many times do I have to write it ? Whitney is the most overrated dman in this league !! I hope he can recover from this and the Oilers can trade him while they have a chance. Bad trade at the time and still bad now.

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