The Gods Must be Crazy (Trade Deadline Primer #2)

Lowetide
February 01 2011 06:11PM

I had a trade deadline post ready to go tonight, but Zack Stortini was part of it. Oh well. I'll include him in anyway, as there's a chance he'll be in the organization come the deadline. When it comes to this deadline, the Oilers are extremely likely to do the same thing they did a year ago: flush blue.
 

As we discussed in the first trade deadline primer (found here), the Oilers traded four defensemen while acquiring two one year ago. Let's list the deals again:

  • March 1: D Denis Grebeshkov to Nashville for their 2nd rd pick. Stu MacGregor turned that into Curtis Hamilton.
  • March 2: D Cody Wild to Boston for F Matt Marquardt.
  • March 3: D Lubo Visnovsky to Anaheim for D Ryan Whitney and a 6th rd pick in 2010. MBS turned that selection into Brandon Davidson.
  • March 3: D Steve Staios to Calgary for D Aaron Johnson and 2011 3rd rd pick.

The Oilers dealt Grebeshkov and Staios for picks, Wild for a depth minor leaguer and made an actual hockey trade with Anaheim. One of the things that always surprises me at the deadline is the enormous value veteran defensemen hold. We watch them all season and know their every weakness, but the fact remains that smart hockey men stockpile them every deadline. Why? A couple of reasons: young defensemen can kill you when the games get tight, and defensemen get hurt a lot. Remember when the Oilers dealt for Tarnstrom and Spacek near the deadline 2006? They needed them for the run, and that's for sure.

Nothing more losery than blogging about trades that haven't happened yet, but I think there's a chance Steve Tambellini pulls the trigger on a couple of surprising deals. From what we read this is a deep draft and we also know that the organization has done well by adding bullets for Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor's gun. With that in mind, here's my list (from most to least valuable) and a guess at the return. Feel free to disagree, I'm certainly no expert on the subject of trades.

UNLIKELY TO MOVE

  1. Dustin Penner: If the Oilers are convinced Penner won't sign for a good number, this might be the time to deal him. Penner is having a good season, he's healthy and it isn't beyond reasonable for another team to believe he can help them go deep this spring. Return: A very good young player in his entry level contract or an outstanding prospect, plus a pick.  
  2. Ales Hemsky: Because of the injuries, I think 83's value may be a little lower than Penner's this year. It's a good reason to keep him, but the other consideration is that he may have extreme value for a team looking for exactly this player type (and the LA Kings are a candidate). Return: Same as Penner's, perhaps a little less due to injury concerns.

AVAILABLE FOR THE RIGHT RETURN

  1. Ladislav Smid: With the development of both Peckham and Petry, Smid once again finds himself on the outskirts of the top 4D in Edmonton. A team looking for a veteran will like his youth, his wheels and his toughness after the whistle. He's inconsistent, but healthy and at the very least should be a dependable addition to any blueline for years to come. Return: A high 2nd rd pick, say 35-50.
  2. Andrew Cogliano: Speedster has improved his play this season and gained the coach's confidence in several areas. An NHL team looking for some secondary scoring and perhaps an extra hand on the PK might make the investment. Return: Oilers would probably be better off getting a bullet for Stu in return, as they have a plethora of young forwards pushing for playing time.
  3. Ryan Jones: Has a shot at 20 goals and plays with a lot of energy. A team looking for some scoring punch without having to give up a lot for him might see Jones as a solid option. Return: A pick somewhere in the top 100, say late 2nd or early 3rd rd selection.

AVAILABLE

  1. Kurtis Foster: Despite having a poor season in Edmonton, his 5x4 resume is obvious and he's 3-5-8 on a terrible PP in Edmonton. A team looking for an inexpensive option for that position (PP shooter) might see Foster as an attractive option. Return: Because there's another year on the contract, I'll say a mid-to-late 3rd rd selection.
  2. Jim Vandermeer: Laugh all you want, I bet he gets a solid return. Vandermeer is exactly the kind of plodding defender that NHL teams grab at the deadline. Why? He's a free agent, he can sit for weeks without bitching and you can insert him into the lineup at a moment's notice and pretty much know what you'll get. That has value. Return: Identical to the Foster return, mid-to-late 3rd rd selection.

Really, really available

  1. Zack Stortini: Seems ridiculous now, but this is where I slotted him and there's no sense changing it now. I think Stortini might have some value to a team looking for a low event winger with some size who can play a few minutes a night and add some grit. I understand he doesn't belong on the list and may not be an Oiler tomorrow, but suspect he has some value. ST would have shopped him, so there's not likely a lot of interest now. But, things can change in a couple of weeks. Return: A pick in the 130-140 range.
  2. Martin Gerber: Minor leaguer is nice insurance for an NHL team with health or performance issues at the NHL level. Return: A pick in the 170-180 range.
  3. Gilbert BruleHe's falling so quickly I'm not sure he's going to play again this season. Rumors about flu and other ailments remind some of us of the "Raffi Torres is missing" period where no one even bothered to ask about the rugged LW. Return: A late round pick. Seriously.

One more deadline update before Feb 28.

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#51 book¡e
February 01 2011, 09:41PM
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fuck off wrote:

Ryan Jones, available?! Those two words shouldn't be in the same sentence! He's been the best surprise and the only winger who can score and hit which is exactly what the Oilers need more of.

Any player is tradable - selling high is often a good approach.

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#52 book¡e
February 01 2011, 09:44PM
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What about Strudwick? Is it beyond the realm of possibility that some team picks him up to keep the Youngn's out of the bars during a playoff run and just in case every d-man in their system gets mono?

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#53 FastOil
February 01 2011, 10:35PM
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I have pondered why a player with Brule's pedigree and rounded skill set would struggle so much - I hope he is well and wish him the best.

The Oilers don't need more goal scorers or offensive D- they need some depth players that check people into the boards reasonably well and will not let their team-mates get abused.

Jones doesn't hit people, he hits the boards beside them, and other than his fortunate scoring spree can't play defense well or anything else - his skill set is easily replaceable, so trade him if there is a reasonable offer. I do like his hair and his flair however.

We have so many smaller one dimensional forwards that we could trade 4 of them and not miss a beat. The team played as well without Hemsky as with (not that he isn't good) - there is enough talent up front - we are missing good role players and grit.

A lot of players have to move just to make room for the good prospects coming in a year or two, and with how slow deals come it would be smart to make deals now as they come so guys that are going to go at least get a late pick. Waiting too long will mean letting them go for zippo and other GM's knowing Stev-o is jammed up and has no leveragwe in a deal.

The Oilers are too deep in some areas and thin in others, the balance needs to be restored, and when you have a deep talent pool coming up that is the time to make changes with less risk.

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#54 RossCreekNation
February 01 2011, 10:36PM
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Clearly, me picking a "star" for the Oil here at the Nation is akin to the kiss of death. Last year Patty O, this year Brule.

Hmm... maybe next year I'll pick Hall.

;-)

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#55 Wanyes bastard child
February 01 2011, 10:44PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Clearly, me picking a "star" for the Oil here at the Nation is akin to the kiss of death. Last year Patty O, this year Brule.

Hmm... maybe next year I'll pick Hall.

;-)

(edited) YOU!!!

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#56 boopronger
February 01 2011, 11:14PM
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Oh man Kyle wellwood has got to be the worst comparison for Sam Gagner that I have ever heard.

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#57 esa tikkanen
February 01 2011, 11:20PM
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LT

Why isn't Colin Fraser on the list with Brule and Stortini? At least Brule has high draft pedigree. I am unsure what Fraser brings, and may be worth a 3rd or 4th rounder as a depth forward to a contender given his recent cup.

I really do not understand your dislike for Smid. A late second rounder for a NHL dman who is still not 25 but has played almost five full NHL seasons? A player who is big, mobile, and still improving?? I would suspect we are trading him just as he is starting to become a very good defenceman. Pair him with a puck mover and he seems to play extremely well. There is a very long list of mid second rounders that will never play as many games as Smid has to this point, and he likely has ten years or possibly 1000 games left in which he will continue to improve.

This Smid dislike and Pouliot love seem strangely misguided given your otherwise extremely rational hockey mind.

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#58 Craig1981
February 02 2011, 12:00AM
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If they trade a player from the AHL that needs to clear waivers (Gerber, Giroux, etc) doea he only need to clear two teams (ND and NYI) or the who league? If so i Giroux worth anything?

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#59 Wäx Män Riley
February 02 2011, 12:43AM
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I guess we'll see what happens, but on a team thats lacking defense already, why trade Smid? If he "is a dependable addition to any blue line for years to come", then why not keep him?

Shea Weber won't happen. Tambo will wait to see if Gilbert can be the #1-2 guy, and with Whitney here, if his feet get fixed up, he will think good enough. Seriously. He is a wait and see GM. (Having Weber would be sweet though)

I could see Ryan Jones getting traded since a player like him can be signed in free agency. Why not get something? I like Jones, but it could make sense

Edit: Now that I think of it, would I rather have Peckham or Smid at this point? Peckham for sure right? Then Petry as well. No need for Smid.

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#60 Wäx Män Riley
February 02 2011, 12:45AM
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Hold on to Brule too. Not because he is small and has a good immune system, but to see if he can have a bounce back year. Trading him at low value doesn't make sense.

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#61 EDM
February 02 2011, 12:48AM
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Brule for a late pick? Really? Ouch. Value Was SO MUCH Higher Last Season.

Smid HAS to go!!!!!

But All In All. I Agree With This Post.

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#62 Wäx Män Riley
February 02 2011, 12:48AM
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Out of Penner and Hemsky, I would rather see Hemsky get traded. He is hurt too often. Penner is big and has hands and the ability to dominate a game. He doesn't bring it every night but when he does it is good.

That being said, if Hemmer stays, that is OK with me because I think he can be a playoff wizard. Great for an intense stretch.

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#63 longbottom/P.Biglow
February 02 2011, 01:08AM
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@craigero

What are you a Toronto fan? See what we can get for penner and Hemsky? Offer up Gagner? Vande for a late pick, keep Cogs and Brule, drop Jacques, trade the pick we get for Vande with Foster and buy out Fraser. I am so glad neither one of us works as a G.M.. I know we are rebuilding, but we need a few vets around for the kids. Or are you considering a #1 draft pick for the next five years?

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#64 Aleslav Smidsky
February 02 2011, 01:13AM
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@Lowetide

You are a InDepth Eklund.

Your articles never hold no weight and usually make no sense or have a purpose.

I think the people at the top of the ON pyramid feed you so you'd feed the people this nonsense. They probably text you to put something together on days they have nothing and need trafic. There is no purpose or reason for this article, nor does it offer any insight.

The people in charge should give your articles and space to guest writers or something as such. I'm not trying to hate on you, I'm just being honest. I'm sure you knew not everyone would like that nonsense when you wrote it, so don't let it bother you ego.

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#65 longbottom/P.Biglow
February 02 2011, 01:20AM
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Have you ever read any of his articals besides this one? for information on the Oilers and they players I perfer Lowetides information to anyones besides brownlee's.

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#66 Aleslav Smidsky
February 02 2011, 01:25AM
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@longbottom/P.Biglow

Yes, I have.

Gregor's articles are way better in information and are a better read. The difference between lowetide's writing and that of an average On visitor is that their nonsense if below the BMW ad and lowetide's is above.

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#67 longbottom/P.Biglow
February 02 2011, 01:33AM
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Here is where we agree to disagree. Gregor has an informative show on the radio, as does Stauffer and Millhouse. Just because Lowetide isn't on the radio regularly ( I have heard him on both Gregor's and Stauffers shows as a guest) doesn't mean his opinion isn't respected by many people including the above named performers.

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#68 Aleslav Smidsky
February 02 2011, 01:36AM
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@longbottom/P.Biglow

I didn't it say his opinion gets no respect, I'm sure it does from some. I was stating my opinion.

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#69 longbottom/P.Biglow
February 02 2011, 01:46AM
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By stateing that his opinion should be below the BMW sign is first of all showing no respect and commenting on this statement is argueing for people not to respect him. There are a ton of writers I do not respectand do not like their writing. Guess what I show my displeasure by not reading them and not commentting to them. To show a blogger silence is the ultimate disrespect.

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#70 Archaeologuy
February 02 2011, 06:49AM
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The Beaker wrote:

What's the point in trading Jones for a late second/early third pick? For that price, just keep him. He's a piece that can be kept moving forward. At some point you have to stop stockpiling picks and start solidifying pieces. Jones works as a piece, we have lots of you talent coming up and theres sure to me more with this draft.

I say they really should be too active in just selling of players at the deadline. They should be VERY active this summer.

Just keep him? He is a UFA in July. The Oilers have no rights to keep. None. How is he a piece that can be kept moving forward. He is the definition of CANT BE KEPT MOVING FORWARD.

And after another year of being deemed one of the least desireable places to play by the NHLPA, how active do you expect the Oilers to be this summer?

Be better.

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#71 The Beaker
February 02 2011, 07:14AM
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Just keep him? He is a UFA in July. The Oilers have no rights to keep. None. How is he a piece that can be kept moving forward. He is the definition of CANT BE KEPT MOVING FORWARD.

And after another year of being deemed one of the least desireable places to play by the NHLPA, how active do you expect the Oilers to be this summer?

Be better.

We are assuming all UFAs will never sign here again? Are UFAs the only way to do anything in the summer?

Holy crap man. My guess is that Jones will be willing to sign here, unless he wants a 500k-1mil overpayment, then find a way to get it done.

This summer they are obviously making picks, they should be moving Surray in the summer (thats really the only way) they should be able to sign one or two free agents like they do every summer, and they should be able to make a trade or two one would hope.

I think if Penner or Hemsky get moved at all it is this summer. But wait, we HAVE to trade them soon because god knows they are going to be UFAs and are going to be "the definition of CANT BE KEPT MOVING FORWARD"

Be better yourself.

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#72 The Beaker
February 02 2011, 07:23AM
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@Lowetide

Don't let aholes and dbags effect you or your decision to continue writing here going forward (not saying you have, just saying don't). As a relatively new reader to ON I've found your articles both entertaining and throught provoking. If others dont, they can go read other articles. Can't win em all.

The thing that gets me is he thinks so highly of his opinion that he felt we all just had to hear it.

Edit: I get the whole point of a place like this having reader response is about giving opinions. But there is a time and place.

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#73 Oilcruzer
February 02 2011, 07:30AM
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@Archaeologuy

Agreed, but only if Oil cannot re-up contract before TDD

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#74 marconiusE
February 02 2011, 08:16AM
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LT is one of my favourite Oilogosphere writers and part of what makes him such a pleasure to converse with is he never gets reactionary.

Not sure if HBMW has had some posts deleted, but if not, some of you posting in this thread defending LT should take notes. All HBMW did was share an opinion, an opinion s/he has a right to.

S/he wasn't overly offensive (especially compared to some of the other junk posted under the BMW ad)and was relatively clear about what s/he liked/disliked about LT's work.

Christ, let a guy have a dissenting opinion before piling on him like s/he jumped your little brother or something.

ANYWAYS, as other posters have mentioned, I don't see the value in getting rid of Jones. It seems like he enjoys playing here and would sign a market value contract. Obviously if he's told management he will not re-sign or if he's asking for the moon, get rid of him for anything you can get. But otherwise, why not hold on to a guy who can play in the bottom 6?

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#75 TOM//MTL
February 02 2011, 08:25AM
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LT, you're my guy! Extremely classy response to that Knob who didn't understand the purpose of the article. Unfortunately the Lame and Drooling have opinions too.

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#76 John Chambers
February 02 2011, 08:48AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Oilers Nation is growing rapidly and the people who run the joint have to decide on the quality of the prose in order to keep that train rolling.

That may or may not mean addition by subtraction but I'm certainly staying until they close my account. :-)

You're too soft on these punks, LT. Brownlee keeps them in line through abuse and humiliation. It proves to be very effective.

You can wear a velvet glove, but make sure it's covering an iron fist.

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#77 Half-crazed Mississippi squirrel
February 02 2011, 08:58AM
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Good article, Lowetide. Nice set-up piece for the next three weeks. A questions/points...

- Penner: What are the chances of him actually re-signing with the Oil? My thoughts are there’s no way he’s re-signing in another Edmonton (or Canadian) fishbowl. He’s headed for a market that’s also got MLB, NFL and NBA teams.

- Ales Hemsky. I just can’t bring myself to trading that much skill away, simply because he helps provide some tangible value for a ticket. When you go to a game, and Hemsky’s dancin’, you’re gonna see something you won’t see anywhere else.

- Penner/Hemsky: That said, these guys are both wingers and I can already think of one contending team that’s been in desperate need of a winger of any kind for years – Pittsburgh. I’d have to believe that they’d be interested, if the price was right. One of these days, the Pens are gonna need to find Sidney a winger and either of these guys would fit the bill.

- Brule: Yeah, his disappearance from the lineup is starting to turn into an episode of The X-Files. In a way, though, it’s making the progress of the other kids somewhat easier – with him out of the lineup for this extended period, it’s un-complicating things a bit. But, I still think we gotta call Mulder and Scully.

- The next round of prospects: Hamilton, Marincin, etc. I know we all think Stu Macgregor has turned things around with the last few drafts, but I humbly suggest caution with some of the other kids who are in the system. They’ve had breakthrough junior seasons, yes, but that’s about it. I’m thinking that we should just judge Stu based on his prospects who are playing NHL minutes rather than the second- and third-rounders who are thriving in Prince George and Saskatoon.

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#78 5cups7years
February 02 2011, 09:05AM
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I dont know why you would want to trade Jones...it makes zero sense to me.

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#79 henry
February 02 2011, 09:11AM
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LT- I sincerely hope you are right that 27 and 83 are unlikely to move. This team badly needs both Penner and Hemsky. They're both 27 and in or entering their hockey prime. Sure Hemsky is getting hurt and may fall off a cliff. He may also score 450 points the next 5 years with his talent and Hall skating with him. Either way every effort has to be made to sign the guys ST knows are good.

Hall, Eberle, MPS, Omark, and Petry are rookie while Chorney, Reddox, and Peckham are pretty much rookies. Sure they are good, but that 40% of the team just starting out. If 27 and 83 are out for prospects, that will leave Horcoff and leading a posse up front all under 25. They won't win for years and we'll all be calling for veterans in their prime and offering up Eberle. Those two guys are worth more to the Oilers than they are to every other team and should not be traded unless it is a huge overpay coming back.

I fear that Jones will go, but there again it should only be for an overpay coming back. Otherwise we'll spend years hoping our 3rd round pick eventually develops into someone like...Ryan Jones! Stortini was a 3rd rounder. Tambi should just sign Jones, it is simpler and the Barons are going to be full soon.

Also LT, I'm impressed but not surprised that you've taken the high road again with the guys that lurk behind their anonymity and toss grenades at you. When I grow up, I hope to have your temperament. I'm 43.

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#80 madjam
February 02 2011, 09:28AM
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Time for Oilers to move towards a new core with size and NHL accountability to compliment more than just hope from drafteees ! How about a blockbuster trade with Ottawa for Spezza , Phillips , Kelly and / and or Fisher ? Sure it might cost us Penner , Hemsky and more in compensation , but we would finally start addressing some of our worst voids over the last couple of years ? What are the chances Penner and or Hemsky will want to remain here under present team going into next season ?

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#81 Eddie Shore
February 02 2011, 10:08AM
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Stortini cleared waivers as per Rishaug.

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#82 Jonathan Willis
February 02 2011, 10:18AM
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OKC, here he comes!

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#83 Harlie
February 02 2011, 10:37AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

OKC, here he comes!

F'n Chrysler plant, here Stortini comes!

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#84 Westcoastoil
February 02 2011, 10:47AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Stortini cleared waivers as per Rishaug.

It's worth putting into perspective that all the fuss over Stortini and waivers is over a player who has dressed for 32 games, played little when dressed, produced 4 assists and has lost a bunch of fights. His trip on the waiver wire has barely been noted on TSN.

I think it's reasonable to assume that the coaches told Zach at some point what they want out of him or what he needs to do to be in the lineup. He hasn't been able to meet their requirements. He seems like a great guy, but if his career is in fact done, he's 25 and earned about $1.7M - seems like a win for a 3rd round pick who did everything he could with the talent he has.

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#85 Steve Smith
February 02 2011, 10:48AM
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@Westcoastoil

Edit: Briefly broke my pledge not to comment here in earnest anymore. This comment intentionally left blank.

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#86 Westcoastoil
February 02 2011, 10:50AM
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Steve Smith wrote:

I think my favourite part of this thread is that you have people saying "Boy, it turns out that we really should have moved Brule last summer when his value was high. Mea culpa." immediately followed by people saying "Trade Ryan Jones? Are you crazy?"

100%

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#87 Half-crazed Mississippi Squirrel
February 02 2011, 11:03AM
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Westcoastoil wrote:

It's worth putting into perspective that all the fuss over Stortini and waivers is over a player who has dressed for 32 games, played little when dressed, produced 4 assists and has lost a bunch of fights. His trip on the waiver wire has barely been noted on TSN.

I think it's reasonable to assume that the coaches told Zach at some point what they want out of him or what he needs to do to be in the lineup. He hasn't been able to meet their requirements. He seems like a great guy, but if his career is in fact done, he's 25 and earned about $1.7M - seems like a win for a 3rd round pick who did everything he could with the talent he has.

Yeah, good point. Plus, he can play in the minors and earn some nice coin down there. It ain't over for Storts yet.

I wish him well.

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#88 Tapdog
February 02 2011, 11:10AM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Out of Penner and Hemsky, I would rather see Hemsky get traded. He is hurt too often. Penner is big and has hands and the ability to dominate a game. He doesn't bring it every night but when he does it is good.

That being said, if Hemmer stays, that is OK with me because I think he can be a playoff wizard. Great for an intense stretch.

Great we have a playoff wizard on a non playoff team.

Penner and Hemsky are really the same.. One can dominate at times in close and the other from the perimeter! Neither one is consistant thru the year! Both will get you 60-75 points.

We have the talented young wingers now we need a #1 centre who can win a draw and a legit #2 dman and for heavans sake a real bottom 6 that can turn the tide in a game!

There is a lot of potentail talent in the organization who need to see some minutes the rest of the way this year!

Would anyone make a Penner/Cogs to Buffalo for a Stafford/Gaustad/#2 pick?

That would solidify your RW and open up the opportunity to move Hemsky in a deal to get you a dman or center? Then you draft the one you do not get!

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#89 Mike Modano's Dog
February 02 2011, 11:20AM
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Keep the trade primers coming, Lowetide... interesting stuff, as always!

Personally, I would love to see Schenn come here even if we need to give more than Hemsky (would Brule seal the deal?) I know he has little value now but his potential is through the roof. You've got to give up something to get something, though, and I want Schenn as our center if that's possible.

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#90 Half-crazed Mississippi Squirrel
February 02 2011, 11:26AM
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Penner/Cogs to Buffalo for a Stafford/Gaustad/#2?

Sure, I guess...

But is that enough coming back?

Don't know anything about Gaustad, but Stafford looks like a 30-40 point guy, at best. Yes, we all remember that disastrous home game against the Sabres last year (or year before?) when Stafford lit the Oilers up, but is he really that good?

I'm not making a statement with that question ... I'm asking because I really don't know.

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#91 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
February 02 2011, 11:32AM
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I've always enjoyed reading LT's blogs. But I also enjoy reading Wayne's, so I don't know what that says.

LT - the way you responded with class and dignity to that post was great. I'm a fan forever now.

Hemsky/Penner - Assuming we can only keep one of them long term, is there anyway we can get Staal out of Pit for the both of them?

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#92 common sense
February 02 2011, 11:32AM
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The real question is if Tambo has the balls and the brains to make some deals to improve this team going forward and to provide a better working and growing environment for our emerging talent. I think the Oil are going to need a new GM.

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#93 Archaeologuy
February 02 2011, 11:33AM
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@The Beaker

Ok, I may have been harsher than necessary this morning. It is a fictional world where Jones has signed a contract extension with the Oilers. It hasn't happened yet. Until it does there is no reason to believe he wants to be here.

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#94 Twiggs
February 02 2011, 11:36AM
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I know lots of people don't like to put too much emphasis on +/- but I heard someone make a comment about Kessel bing 3rd worst in the league so I looked at the standings. I was surprised to see that while Gilbert is worst on the team with -13, there are still 29 players in the leagure worse than him. I was kind of expecting some oilers to be further down the list. Just an observation.

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#95 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 02 2011, 11:38AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Just keep him? He is a UFA in July. The Oilers have no rights to keep. None. How is he a piece that can be kept moving forward. He is the definition of CANT BE KEPT MOVING FORWARD.

And after another year of being deemed one of the least desireable places to play by the NHLPA, how active do you expect the Oilers to be this summer?

Be better.

I find it very frustrating that you continuously act like extending the guy isn't an option.

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#96 Tapdog
February 02 2011, 11:48AM
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Half-crazed Mississippi Squirrel wrote:

Penner/Cogs to Buffalo for a Stafford/Gaustad/#2?

Sure, I guess...

But is that enough coming back?

Don't know anything about Gaustad, but Stafford looks like a 30-40 point guy, at best. Yes, we all remember that disastrous home game against the Sabres last year (or year before?) when Stafford lit the Oilers up, but is he really that good?

I'm not making a statement with that question ... I'm asking because I really don't know.

Is the return value there? Good question. Gaustad is 6'5" and 220lbs and is a legit 3rd line Centre. He can play it tough and get you some points with decent wingers and you better sit down for this one... He can win faceoffs! 59.3% this year.

Stafford plays a lot like Penner but is 23 and has the same amount of goals this year and his ppg is better so far as well. Like Penner he has size and can play anywhere from the first line to the third line and produce. Really a younger version of Penner but hopefully being younger, a team might be able to get him to play a little tougher? I think he could be better than Penner.

As for the pick maybe the Oil can toss in a third and up Buffalo's to a first? Hey all you can do is ask, right?

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#97 Tapdog
February 02 2011, 11:57AM
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Mike Modano's Dog wrote:

Keep the trade primers coming, Lowetide... interesting stuff, as always!

Personally, I would love to see Schenn come here even if we need to give more than Hemsky (would Brule seal the deal?) I know he has little value now but his potential is through the roof. You've got to give up something to get something, though, and I want Schenn as our center if that's possible.

While I am tossing out trade senarios that would not happen, I might as well have some fun with this one too! Hemsky/Smid/Calgary's 3rd (Staios deal) for Schenn/Teubert/Poni

Sorry you have to take back Poni to keep the cap good for them and beside it is only until the end of the season. Hey, Poni is big... Doesn't hit to save his life but he is big:)

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#98 Dan the Man
February 02 2011, 12:02PM
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Tencer says that Re-Khab is starting tonight.

Ridiculous.

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#99 David S
February 02 2011, 12:06PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Tencer says that Re-Khab is starting tonight.

Ridiculous.

What?

Ridiculous.

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#100 Tapdog
February 02 2011, 12:09PM
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Dan the Man wrote:

Tencer says that Re-Khab is starting tonight.

Ridiculous.

Come on Renney, come up for air already!

Wow!

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