Dustin Penner

Jonathan Willis
February 10 2011 10:55PM

Early on, I was a Dustin Penner critic. While even early on I’d gladly admit that Penner was easily Kevin Lowe’s best foray into acquiring restricted free agents, I didn’t start warming up to him until 2008-09 and didn’t become a dedicated fan until last season.

Now though, I’d argue that it would be a serious mistake to move Dustin Penner.*

Over the last two seasons, no Oilers forward has been better than Dustin Penner. Sure, maybe that’s damning with faint praise, but it’s the truth all the same. Penner brings size and goal-scoring to an Edmonton Oilers line-up that still lacks both. Additionally, he keeps the puck alive in the offensive zone, which is another rarity in the current group of forwards.

Age-wise, Penner fits into a rebuild. He’s 27 years old this season; every game he’s ever played at the NHL level has been played since the lockout. He may or may not have a decade of hockey left in him but he certainly has at least another five years in the heart of his career. If this is a team that needs more than five years to get back into the habit of winning more than they lose, than we’re talking about Israel wandering around in the desert rather than an actual rebuild.

What about the argument that room needs to be made on the wings for the rookies, who are bound to supplant Penner (and Hemsky)? I’d suggest waiting until the Oilers have four wingers better than Penner (who has played right wing for the team in the past), something which doesn’t seem to be especially imminent. Another problem with replacing Penner with youth is that successful rookies every so often they turn into less-successful second- and third-year players; certainly Oilers fans ought to remember what happened to the 2007-08 rookie class (the Oilers’ “best development year in the past 12 to 15 years).

In short: Dustin Penner, in addition to being a very good hockey player, is a young veteran who supplies skills that the Edmonton Oilers are presently in desperate need of. It makes no sense for a rebuilding team to send away a player who fits the rebuild both in terms of skillset and age.

Scattered Thoughts

A minor trade between Phoenix and the New York Islanders caught my eye earlier today: the Islanders acquired underperforming AHL goaltender Al Montoya in exchange for a sixth round pick. My question: given that Jeff Deslauriers is

  • a) a pending unrestricted free agent,
  • b) has seen his role supplanted by Devan Dubnyk,
  • c) is playing in the minors for seven figures,
  • d) is arguably a better player than Montoya and isn’t much older

why didn’t the Oilers offer him up to the Islanders in exchange for a seventh round pick or ‘future considerations’? Not only would it have saved the Oilers money, but if Deslauriers played well for a few weeks it would help the team in their quest to finish dead last in the league.

Given what people like Jeff Carter ($5.3 million annual cap hit) and David Backes ($4.5 million annual cap hit) have signed for this season, why is everyone so concerned about what Penner and Hemsky will get a year from now? Assuming the team only keeps one, and that one gets a deal in the same range as Shawn Horcoff ($5.5 million annual cap hit, which is a slight stretch) it’s really only an increase of less than $1.5 million. At that rate, the team could dump any of Gilbert Brule, Jim Vandermeer or Kurtis Foster and afford it without touching any of the more than $13 million in cap room they presently have.

The Joffrey Lupul trade yesterday already had me revisiting old memories, but somehow I missed the pivotal quote until Tyler Dellow pointed it out. Brian Burke, reminiscing on the Chris Pronger deal:

The first demand that Edmonton made was ‘Lupul has to be in the deal,’ ” Burke said.

Naturally, it’s possible that Burke is blowing smoke, but if not it says something that the Oilers looked at Anaheim’s young talent and pegged Lupul as the piece they needed.

*naturally, this statement is made with the 'barring massive overpay' caveat.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Sandra Blood
February 10 2011, 11:12PM
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Penner extension would be the best move. Kids like him, he does protect them out there. I would give him the "C"

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#2 FastOil
February 11 2011, 09:26AM
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Never trade what is rare unless it is for a massive return.

Trade what is valuable and easy to replace for the proper return.

Skill players who are mobile and 230-240lbs are rare in the league. Their value comes playoff time - when motivated they are unstoppable because they are bigger than even the defense that are trying to contain them.

190lb skilled Europeans who play mostly one way, approach PPG and play 80% of a season are not nearly as rare. I like Hemsky but his loss for good value will not affect the team long term.

Penner would not be replaced. Who is there to even acquire other than Bert who is well passed it? I think you might find that Penner has more trade value than Mckenzie thinks. He scores well on this team with rotating line-mates. What would he do on a good team on which he would only have to play his game and not carry a team?

Still, he should be the only untouchable along with Hall, unless there is something fans don't know about.

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#3 Ender
February 11 2011, 02:16PM
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madjam wrote:

Funny thing is i like Tambellini , just not as a GM .

Unless you and he regularly connect for a round of golf and drinks, that statement is somewhat akin to me saying "I like Iron Man. Just not as a superhero."

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#4 spOILer
February 11 2011, 01:02AM
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If either Penner or Hemsky are still un-signed September 1, they have to be traded before next season starts.

But for now we have to be keeping both. The plan in a rebuild is accumulate assets so whatever coming back would have to be as good or better on the ice today than what we're giving up.

And Penner cannot go. Tambo has mentioned size enough times on his wishlists that I cannot see it happen. If we can ever get this team into the playoffs, he would be a beast.

I cannot think of a reasonable deal that would get me to trade him... The 2nd overall wouldn't be enough. Seguin wouldn't do it for me. Nor Schenn or Johansen.

Teams might be pissed at the asking price, but sheesh how in the puck would we replace what he brings?

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#5 Ducey
February 11 2011, 01:36AM
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why didn’t the Oilers offer him up to the Islanders in exchange for a seventh round pick or ‘future considerations’? Not only would it have saved the Oilers money, but if Deslauriers played well for a few weeks it would help the team in their quest to finish dead last in the league.

A)JDD is getting $1.05 million to play in the AHL. You think he would be Snow's first pick to play a few weeks until Rick D is ready to return from getting his head pounded? NYI are doing things on the cheap.

B)Do you have any evidence Tambo didn't offer up JDD?

Lets stick to criticizing the Oilers for things we know they have actually done or not done. There are enough of them without making up more.

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#6 Ducey
February 11 2011, 01:43AM
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I cannot think of a reasonable deal that would get me to trade him... The 2nd overall wouldn't be enough. Seguin wouldn't do it for me. Nor Schenn or Johansen.

I think there is a pretty high chance that Seguin is socring more than 61 pts consistently in a few years. This is Penner's high water mark. Plus Tyler fills the #1 C role.

I do Penner for Seguin in a heartbeat.

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#8 TigerUnderGlass
February 11 2011, 06:30PM
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propo wrote:

I'm definitely in the Deal Penner camp. His style of play - lazy, non-aggressive - is not condusive to successful oiler hockey (in my opinion obviously). I admit he has a strong shot and good ice-sense in the o-zone, but thats not nearly enough for a 1st liner on a (future) contending team. We have too much youth for him to be on the 2nd line, and he's not gritty enough to be on the 3rd line. To the veteran point; a good veteran to me shows up every game and gives the team a boost in different ways, whatever the situation calls for - not Pennerish. I think he's a good player... in a different setting.

I'd sign Hemsky for as long as possible.

I love that Penner is not good enough to play for a contending team even though he already has a ring.

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#9 CSimpson18
February 11 2011, 01:26AM
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spOILer wrote:

If either Penner or Hemsky are still un-signed September 1, they have to be traded before next season starts.

But for now we have to be keeping both. The plan in a rebuild is accumulate assets so whatever coming back would have to be as good or better on the ice today than what we're giving up.

And Penner cannot go. Tambo has mentioned size enough times on his wishlists that I cannot see it happen. If we can ever get this team into the playoffs, he would be a beast.

I cannot think of a reasonable deal that would get me to trade him... The 2nd overall wouldn't be enough. Seguin wouldn't do it for me. Nor Schenn or Johansen.

Teams might be pissed at the asking price, but sheesh how in the puck would we replace what he brings?

Your claim that in a rebuild what you get back has to be better today than what you give up is the opposite of true.

Rebuilding teams give quality players for players they hope to be better down the road when it's time for them to compete again. Maybe you just mispoke.

Yeah I think teams would be a little pissed if your asking price is something higher than Seguin. Give your head a shake.

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#10 a lg dubl dubl
February 11 2011, 05:45AM
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It sure would be nice to see both Penner and Hemsky stay long term(4-5yrs) IMO i think some of the reason why players dont like to come here is they know that within 3 yrs they could get traded and the best way for the Oilers to get UFAS to come here is to keep players like Penner and Hemsky. The Oilers have the cap room to sign both long term even with the horcoff contract all 3 combined would only be in the area of 15mil, and with the contracts of Khabby and Souray coming of the books in 2 yrs it makes sense to get #27 and #83 locked down. The Oilers have got to start winning some time soon and with them in the line-up the Oilers are a better team. If ST trades either one of them would be a mistake and the team would just be spinning its wheels trying to get back to the playoffs ala Islanders. SIGN THEM BOTH TAMBY.

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#11 robinrussia
February 11 2011, 07:20AM
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Trade Penner/Hemsky? The answer depends on a couple beliefs on Tambi's part, which Ryan Batty pointed out on C&B.

1) Do you believe we will we be in the play off hunt next year? 2) Do you believe you can sign either/both?

If yes to both, don't trade - Because the rookies improve enough, and we can improve special teams and face offs so we can make a push for the playoffs around this time next year and you will use Penner/Hemmer for that push. If they are resigned/will resign, we have no worries.

If yes to 1 and no to 2 you need to trade - If we are close to making the playoffs, and find Tambi can't resign them, will he trade them if we are in a playoff push? Will he let them walk for nothing at the end of the season? That's tantamount to a cardinal sin.

If no to 1 point 2 is irrelevant - If we are going to miss the playoffs, Tambi can wait and trade at the deadline next year for a diminished return.

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#12 baggedmilk
February 11 2011, 07:33AM
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I agree completely, Willis. Although Pens isn't the big mean power forward we'd all like him to be, he's still scoring 20-30 goals per year. The Oilers are already so small up front that trading a guy that big doesn't make sense. If he wants to stick around, he needs to stay.

Nice article Willis.

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#13 Truth
February 11 2011, 08:08AM
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I agree, keep Penner on the stipulation that he dates my ex gf. She should keep him pissed off enough to play at his best all the time. We all know he plays great when he is mad.

ps. I know he's already married, but this would work.

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#14 Dman09
February 11 2011, 08:53AM
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I think whats really important is how much are Penner and Hemsky going to want on a new contract. Are the Oilers willing to pay them 5 million + to play on the second line. They way things are headed right now they aren't your top line guys. You want guys that can play around with 100 point a season barrier on your top line and I don't see penner or hemsky doing that. Hall and Eberle however have a good shot depending on how they develop. If either of those two aren't happy with a second line position or less money then I think its time to get hands on to see what we can get for them.

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#15 Ender
February 11 2011, 09:30AM
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To those who are advocating Penner for mentor or even captain . . . Huh? Seriously?

Penner is a long, long way from being the worst problem this team has right now. That said, I wouldn't go nearly as far as JW in labelling myself his 'dedicated fan'. Penner scores his points in spite of his work ethic, not because of it. Is there a single person on these boards who can tell me they think we're getting everything Penner has to give? That he leaves everything on the ice every single night? That he's not capable of bringing more than he is?

Penner is a fine hockey player and God saw fit to bless him with some natural abilities. It's too bad Penner does enough to get by and not more because he could be an elite player if he wanted to be. Outside of Edmonton, I don't know how many people you would find who would readily link the words 'elite' and 'Penner'.

Your captain is the guy you want showing your rookies how to become everything they are capable of being. While they might watch Penner score some points, I don't know if it's helping them them as individuals to do so. If I was picking a captain from the players that are currently on this roster, Penner would be somewhere around the bottom third of the list. Not last, in fairness, but there's a lot of people ahead of him in my line until he figures out that he needs to play hungry every shift, not just when he is in the mood.

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#16 Horcsky
February 11 2011, 12:05PM
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"Over the last two seasons, no Oilers forward has been better than Dustin Penner. Sure, maybe that’s damning with faint praise"

No matter how bad your team is, the best players on the team are useful, and should be kept around. Replacing the bottom feeders should be priority one.

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#17 Quicksilver ballet
February 11 2011, 12:05PM
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Volfman wrote:

Anyone else wanna see a Hemsky for Seguin trade? I get we would have add to that with maybe a second round pick but as long as were nor giving up a first round.

Please sir, i'll even wash your car every week this coming summer.

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#18 misfit
February 11 2011, 12:15PM
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I haven't read all the comments, so someone may have made this same point, but I actually might believe Burke on his Lupul comment.

At the time, Edmonton fans were watching Peca, Spacek, and Samsonov walk as free agents. The Mike Comrie disaster was still fresh in everyone's mind, and UFAs continued to avoid Edmonton like the plague. Couple that with Pronger's trade demand, and all of a sudden a player's willingness to play in Edmonton became something that held just about as much value as their ability. So in that regard I could see Lupul, a local kid with a knack for scoring goals, as being a real selling point for Lowe. Not to mention...5 assets!

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#19 Dennis
February 11 2011, 02:01PM
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Oilers21 wrote:

Does anyone else think that we (hockey minds/fans) are maybe starting to OVERvalue draft picks? For instance, a couple of years ago we would be talking about what Nashville had to give up to get Mike Fisher. Now we seem to hear a lot about what Ottawa had to give up to get the pick. Dustin Penner's career seems to have stabilized to the point where we know what we're getting and I think there reaches a point in a rebuild where there's a lot of value to that versus the uncertainty of a pick. Just don't want to see a situation where we rate players by what they can bring to the organization in the way of picks as opposed to what they bring on the ice.

I think there's another question as to when do you dig your heels in and say "this is it" and try to do something else then be the laughingstock of the league.

You can keep dealing off the 27 and 83's for picks and prospects but it's all bird-in-the-hand stuff and if even one of those prospects or picks doesn't pan out then you're going backwards again and now you're starting to burn affordable years of the contracts of kids like 4-14-91.

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#20 Sabazz
February 10 2011, 11:20PM
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Totally agree that offering JDD would have made sense. Remember when we wouldn't put him on waivers because we thought someone would claim him and we'd get nothing for our asset. Now we're gonna let him go at the end of the year and not get any assets for him. Even if that asset is just not having to pay him the rest of the year right Tambo? When is Katz gonna start questioning the asset management of the leadership team?

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#21 Crosby31
February 10 2011, 11:25PM
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So do we trade Hemmer then? I'd say one of the 2 should go being as how there value is pretty good right now...thoughts?

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#22 CSimpson18
February 11 2011, 12:01AM
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So to paraphrase, it makes no sense to trade Penner except for an overpayment. Well, yeah. Especially after hearing his comments on being happy in Edmonton. He's a good player and provides full value for his contract.

This year's deadline the Oilers find themselves in a perfect storm. They have the two best offensive players who could be had, both with a bonus year making them more than rentals and significantly increasing their value. There aren't many clear sellers and those who are don't have any gamebreakers for sale.

For me the ideal trade would be for Bogosian with miscellaneous pieces on either side to even it out. Atlanta is desperate to make the playoffs and remain relevant in their market. 1st line winger is their biggest need. Bogo is only 20 and Thrasher fans have soured on the kid. He's got poor boxcars this year bringing his value to an all-time low, not to mention the presence of Byfuglien and Enstrom eating big minutes. What most ATL fans (and hopefully GM Dudley) don't realize is that Bogo is being thrown to the wolves. His zonestart is laughable compared to the two "norris candidate" allstar dmen at 43 compared to 53 for the first pairing. He's facing the toughs while playing with the dregs and, contrary to popular belief he's not doing horribly. He's not getting much for PP chances but he's got the skillset to be a special team demon.

If there's even a remote chance to get this guy, and I have no hard evidence to indicate that there is, I pray that Tambo jumps all over it. Thoughts?

As for Penner for a first? No thanks from this fan if its anything less than top 5. Final decision should go to Stu Mac.

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#23 tho318
February 11 2011, 12:02AM
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i concur 100% with this article, keep big penz, even though he is young he provides a mentor for even the younger oilers to look up too.

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#24 Noodles
February 11 2011, 01:03AM
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"Given what people like Jeff Carter ($5.3 million annual cap hit) and David Backes ($4.5 million annual cap hit) have signed for this season, why is everyone so concerned about what Penner and Hemsky will get a year from now?"

Why is everyone concerned? Because this is the same management group that thought it would be a good idea to sign an aging, injury-prone goaltender to an over-35 contract for 4 years at $3.75 million while decent goalies were being signed elsewhere for ~$1 million. In other words, many of us have little faith that Tambellini & co. have the faintest idea what they're doing.

But that aside, I do agree that they shouldn't move Penner unless (a) he is asking for an unreasonable amount of money, (b) he just doesn't want to re-sign here despite what he said to the media, or (c) the return they'd get in a trade would be a clear overpay.

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#25 416oil
February 11 2011, 02:09AM
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everyone seems to forget lupul was coming off a 28 goal sophomore campaign and another 9 goals in 16 game during the playoffs. not to mention he had the draft pedigree over gezlaf 7th to 19th its hard to imagine lowe not asking for lupul over gezlaf, or perry for that matter in summer 06. another thing to consider is that at the time they had horcoff stoll reasoner as centers and could used a 1 shot scorer more then a centerman. hindsight is always 20/20 and am no way saying lowe is great (cuz he is not) but its not like that was a bad decision at the time. what they really should have done is kept lupul for one more year to reunite him with his linemate from his 2nd year penner....

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#26 DoubleJ
February 11 2011, 02:11AM
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I think Hemsky is the guy to go. I didn't get the "I want to stay" out of his remarks. It was more of the " It's a business, no hurt feelings if it does happen".

I think Hemsky's work habits have been questioned before as well. The last guy on the ice first guy off type of thing. He's not the guy to be leading the young guys on this team.

IMO.

He'd be up for grabs, but not for cheap either.

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#27 DoubleJ
February 11 2011, 02:15AM
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416oil wrote:

everyone seems to forget lupul was coming off a 28 goal sophomore campaign and another 9 goals in 16 game during the playoffs. not to mention he had the draft pedigree over gezlaf 7th to 19th its hard to imagine lowe not asking for lupul over gezlaf, or perry for that matter in summer 06. another thing to consider is that at the time they had horcoff stoll reasoner as centers and could used a 1 shot scorer more then a centerman. hindsight is always 20/20 and am no way saying lowe is great (cuz he is not) but its not like that was a bad decision at the time. what they really should have done is kept lupul for one more year to reunite him with his linemate from his 2nd year penner....

I agree they gave up on him way to early. they also gave up on the d-man way to early they traded lupul for. Can't remember the name.

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#28 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
February 11 2011, 05:42AM
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I'm enjoying your blogs more and more every time JW...

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#29 pelhem grenville
February 11 2011, 05:49AM
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"...many of us have little faith that Tambellini & co. have the faintest idea what they're doing..."

I would be one of those many NOODLES...i find i'm punching the radio to another station when i even hear Tambellinis' voice. Its' oafish droning hurts my ears and makes my skin crawl with contempt. I have zero faith in his ability to guide this franchise...once when Brownlee brings to light that when he's interviewing old Steve he sometimes asks questions just so he can feel being misled to his face. Sure that's the GM's job,to keep his sh!t close to the vest but my impression is this GM is practicing the Peter Principle...doing his job up to and including his critical level of obvious incompetence...and what's the other one? where the person has an overwhelming paranoia that someone's going to catch them and expose them in a workplace that they don't belong?. Y'know like being a fake doctor or fake lawyer?

As most fans await the edict from on high where Tambellini makes a trade at the deadline I alone await for the day that Kevin Lowe FIRES his A$$ and makes Stu [you-know-who]the next General Manager of the Edmonton Oilers Hockey Club.

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#30 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
February 11 2011, 05:53AM
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JW:

If the oil traded JDD to the islanders, wouldn't he still have to come up through re-entry waivers? And wouldn't that put the islanders at risk of being on the hook for half a players salary AND losing him to another team (If he were to be claimed by another team)? Even if they talked to the oil and convinced them to put him on re-entry waivers so that the islanders could claim him at half price, the Oil still couldn't get a pick for it since they never actually traded anything could they? Unless you can make an official deal saying "you put him on re-entry waivers, and we'll give you a draft pick" this couldn't be done.

Of course my understanding of the CBA is about as extensive as my 7 year old sons'understanding of the CBA.

Am I missing something?

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#31 Oilcruzer
February 11 2011, 06:48AM
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Montoya is an easier sell to the NY fan base.

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#34 Jon
February 11 2011, 07:22AM
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JDD makes the same salary in the AHL as he does in the NHL. DiPietro could be back as early as the beginning of March. It might only be a month they'd have to pay their accquired goaltender in the minors, but for a money strapped owner, the difference between a month's worth of a 1.05 million annual salary a month's worth of a 0.085 million annual salary means a lot.

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#35 SumOil
February 11 2011, 07:24AM
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Maybe it's because ST wants competetive goaltending night in and out in the OKC. About the rest of article, I fully agree with you. We have no player who can replace Penner , now or in the future. Furthermore, I highly doubt that Penner gets north of 5 million. I think the Backes deal is the best indication of Penner's worth in salary.

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#36 SumOil
February 11 2011, 07:25AM
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@Ducey

He isn't criticizing, just making a statement.

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#37 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 11 2011, 08:10AM
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Agreed, sign him for anything below 5M/per for no more then 5 years.

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#38 VMR
February 11 2011, 08:32AM
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Crosby31 wrote:

So do we trade Hemmer then? I'd say one of the 2 should go being as how there value is pretty good right now...thoughts?

I dont think their value is all that good. Penner is about the same as Fisher in my mind, Bob Mckenzie said the same on the radio this morning, Hemsky maybe a bit more if he's healthy and playing well.

They are both in play and other teams can make offers but unless we're getting a serious prospect in exchange I keep them both and try and work out long term deals. If the best we get offered for Penner is a late 1st round pick I'm not interested. Sure a late 1st could turn into Eberle but it just as easily could turn into Pouliot or Nash or Plante or Scremp. None of those guys are as valuable as Penner.

I wonder how much someone would offer for Hemsky? I wouldnt think you could get two firsts like the Leafs gave up for Kessel but maybe to a team like LA that is driving hard for a playoff spot. I would consider that offer or Schenn or one of their top D prospects and a first.

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#39 freeze
February 11 2011, 08:39AM
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If he can be had for under $5m/year then keep him. Cap management will be key in the next five years. Hopefully this franchise can generate some value contracts because you know Hall will get a big piece of the pie.

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#40 John Chambers
February 11 2011, 08:54AM
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Interesting outside-the-box thinking on the Deslauriers trade idea, JW.

Considering that Fisher yielded a late 1st round pick, what does that suggest in terms of the trade value for Penner or Hemsky seeing as how they have a year's runway on their contracts? I would bet that Hemsky and a mid-level prospect like Plante might fetch us Boston's TO pick, or a proven like young player like Van Riemsdyk.

However I agree with the article and am of the opinion that if we're to choose between 27 and 83 we keep the big, less injury-prone man.

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#41 Team Couturier
February 11 2011, 08:59AM
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I would go back even further to the Comrie non-trade, where K-Lowe declined Perry for Comrie because he preferred Lupulitis. I think those were the Prendergast days of judging talent. I think the MBS days would yield a lot more fruitful results nowadays. Given what I've seen from MBS so far, and the miracles he's pulled in the second round, this is the year to acquire draft picks. MBS is a genius. We should be asking for his autograph.

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#42 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 11 2011, 09:01AM
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Dman09 wrote:

I think whats really important is how much are Penner and Hemsky going to want on a new contract. Are the Oilers willing to pay them 5 million + to play on the second line. They way things are headed right now they aren't your top line guys. You want guys that can play around with 100 point a season barrier on your top line and I don't see penner or hemsky doing that. Hall and Eberle however have a good shot depending on how they develop. If either of those two aren't happy with a second line position or less money then I think its time to get hands on to see what we can get for them.

You might want to double check how many guys play around with the 100 point barrier.

If Hall/Eberle are in the 100 point range it really wont matter what everyone else does becaues we'll have 2 MVP candidates on our roster

Also, as good as Eberle has been, Hemsky is still without a doubt the #1 RW and will likely be that for the forseable future.

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#43 Zarf
February 11 2011, 09:17AM
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I think Penner has to be traded at some point - whether it's now, Feb. 28, draft day or sometime next season - he's gotta go.

As a free agent, he's gone. I don't care what he said in that media scrum the other day. When he gets his chance to bolt out of the Edmonton fishbowl, he will.

That's not Edmonton's fault, but that's just the way it's happened over the years.

Remember, guys like Cujo and Doug Weight (who was traded before he had the chance to bolt) and others all said the same sunny things before they signed their ticket out of here.

Penner isn't re-signing here. Let's face that and prepare for it by trading him when the return is best. And I believe that's right now.

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#44 Ender
February 11 2011, 09:19AM
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Regarding the Islanders goalie situation, there's another reason JDD doesn't fit there.

Completely true that Snow is trying to stay as cheap as possible on a short-term replacement for Rickie D. Also true, though, that Snow has to be wary about another goalie in the mix. He currently has Nabokov on a team suspension, but that could change at any time if Nabby decides that playing is better than sitting and picks up the phone to apologize and book a plane ticket.

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#45 Quicksilver ballet
February 11 2011, 09:21AM
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On the Deslaurier thing, don't the Oilers have to put him on re-entries before they could even consider dealing him. The only scenario i see with JDD, is losing him for zippo, and paying half of the balance of his salary the rest of the year. I'm sure the Islanders would have preferred JDD, the Oilers must not have wanted to conform.

We shouldn't be so quick to move Hemsky or Penner, the Oilers are in the driver seat here, unless someone offers a Kings ramson (top 5 or Schenn), we're best to hold onto them. Chiarelli and Lombardi may be in a bidding war.

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#46 Dman09
February 11 2011, 09:24AM
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@Jonathan Willis

Yes and look how successful the oilers where in the 80's. Just because it hasn't happened in a while doesn't mean it can't happen again. If you constantly head towards a lesser goal, that is a losing way of thinking. You want to be pushing the limit and have a goal that is rarely achieved. That's what the Stanley Cup is.

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#47 Benhur
February 11 2011, 09:43AM
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The only win situation I see in trading Penner or Hemesky is getting a young stud like Schenn, especially a centre. Getting a draft choice would only be OK if that draft choice was top 5...which isn't going to happen. The Oil need to keep these players unless they won't resign then start shopping them ASAP to take advantage of their decent contract term and dollars.

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#48 Dman09
February 11 2011, 09:46AM
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@Ender

I have to agree with you, I remember a stretch of a few games earlier this year, if think it was right after Penner was seen at the police station filing a complaint, that night he got angry started throwing his weight around and even got into a fight. Those were the best games I think I've ever seen him play. Unfortunately it was only those few games and every once in a while you see it again. If he could put that much effort, determination, and energy into, let say a majority of games because all games is not realistic, then he would be one of the top dominating forces in the NHL. However i don't think we will see if happen. Unless his wife cheats on him, leaves him, and takes most of his money then maybe he would be angry all the time.

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#50 Ducey
February 11 2011, 10:12AM
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Because the salary difference between Deslauriers and Montoya ($750K) isn't huge at this point in the season, and if he'd been offered for future considerations it would have saved the Isles a 6th round pick.

If he is getting nothing from NYI, Tambo likely would want to just hang onto JDD so he has two decent goalies for the AHL playoffs.

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