More Bullets for Stu

Lowetide
February 10 2011 05:39PM

All of the talk surrounding Hemsky and Penner being dealt is starting to cloud the issue: Steve Tambellini's job at the deadline is to deliver more bullets to Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor.
 

When Stu MacGregor is ordering room service in Minnesota (try the lutefisk!) here's hoping Steve Tambellini has more bullets (draft picks) for use on the draft floor. With the prospect list teeming with MacGregor gems, another mitt full of these young kids is vital.

Oilers current picks

  • 1st overall
  • 31st overall
  • 61st overall
  • Calgary's 3rd (probably about 75th overall)
  • 91st overall
  • Pittsburgh's 4th (probably about 115th overall)
  • 121st overall
  • 181st overall

I think that's right. MacGregor did a lot of damage in the second round a year ago (Pitlick, Marincin and Hamilton were all taken between 31 and 48th overall).

Today's trade (Mike Fisher to Nashville for picks, including the Preds first rounder) is only the second involving a 2011 first round pick, the other being dealt by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan in order to get Phil Kessel away from the remedial readers in Boston.

Ottawa's acquisition of a first rounder came at a pretty steep price: a quality 2-way center with another 2 years on his contract after this one. The Preds improve their center position for years to come at a good price, all for a first round pick. Nashville is flush with quality prospects and are one of the few teams that can probably afford to deal off their first round selection (well, Nashville and Toronto).

I'd like to see the Oilers grab a couple of those second round picks like they did a year ago. The club acquired Nashville's 2nd by sending Denis Grebeshkov away, and grabbed another 2nd rd pick from Carolina (originally a Senators pick) by sending Riley Nash to the Hurricanes at the draft.

Which roster players could garner a 2nd rd pick that high? Ladislav Smid? Andrew Cogliano? Linus Omark?

We wait. More bullets, please!

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#1 Pilgor09
February 10 2011, 05:55PM
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Why does everyone want to get rid of Omark?! He gets better every game and chacnes are a second round pick doesn not come close to his poduction over his career. PICKS ARE OVERRATED! Unless it's a top 5 of coarse.

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#2 Wax For My Stick
February 10 2011, 06:02PM
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Could we make a trade for Vergara to join the Oiler Octane cheerleaders instead? or is that wishful thinking?

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#3 Wax For My Stick
February 10 2011, 06:04PM
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Could we make a trade for Vergara to join the Oiler Octane cheerleaders instead? or is that wishful thinking?

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#4 SourSquirt 8==> ~~o
February 10 2011, 06:06PM
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I'm definitely bias, but those guys (Omark, Cogliano, and even Smid) for high 2nd rounders seems like too much of a gamble. 2 players were 1st round selections and even if Omark was only a 4th, IMO they will all be needed as part of the core rebuild.

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#5 Wanye
February 10 2011, 05:42PM
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These women Lowetide! HUBBA HUBBA!

*rubs hands together greedily*

Also: FIST

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#6 Hemmertime
February 10 2011, 05:50PM
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Omark for a high 2nd round? No thanks.

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#7 fuck off
February 10 2011, 06:00PM
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Wanye wrote:

Don't listen to this guy LT. You could put pics of these girls on there with only a single word "Oprah" and I would consider it one of the top articles of 2011.

You're going to defame me because I asked for "bullets" in the pictures? Srsly

Here let me make it easier for you when I say bullets!

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#8 Oilcruzer
February 10 2011, 06:25PM
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Wowwah!

I read the blog three times and still don't know what it says.

Umm... Go Oilers. There... something productive...

(Wowwah!)

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#9 Pilgor09
February 10 2011, 06:39PM
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That first girl is absolutely jaw dropping. At least we know she isn't apart of the octane.......

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#10 Rogue
February 10 2011, 05:43PM
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OMG!! Who in their right mind wants to read the article. Sofia Vergara,GGGRRRRRRR

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#11 fuck off
February 10 2011, 05:53PM
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Hey LT, although I enjoy the sight of the big-gunned beauties in your article, I don't see how they connect to the story. If those big guns were showing their bullets off though; I'm sure we'd all get the connection!

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#12 The Other John
February 10 2011, 05:55PM
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Hugely distracted not sure what was more distracting: the impeccable photos above or knowing someone else that has eaten lutefisk.

Its like starchy cardboard smothered in butter!!

Fisher is a very good 2nd line center. Similar to Shawn Horcoff.

Not sure the guys that say Fisher gets you a top 20 pick means Hemsky gets us a top 5.

I expect Smid might get us a top 40 pick to a contender. Cogs not so much. Really liked Omark on point of PP, he moves the puck. Yes I complain about number of smurfs but he might be one I would keep

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#13 Wanye
February 10 2011, 05:55PM
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fuck off wrote:

Hey LT, although I enjoy the sight of the big-gunned beauties in your article, I don't see how they connect to the story. If those big guns were showing their bullets off though; I'm sure we'd all get the connection!

Don't listen to this guy LT. You could put pics of these girls on there with only a single word "Oprah" and I would consider it one of the top articles of 2011.

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#14 Rogue
February 10 2011, 06:00PM
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The Other John wrote:

Hugely distracted not sure what was more distracting: the impeccable photos above or knowing someone else that has eaten lutefisk.

Its like starchy cardboard smothered in butter!!

Fisher is a very good 2nd line center. Similar to Shawn Horcoff.

Not sure the guys that say Fisher gets you a top 20 pick means Hemsky gets us a top 5.

I expect Smid might get us a top 40 pick to a contender. Cogs not so much. Really liked Omark on point of PP, he moves the puck. Yes I complain about number of smurfs but he might be one I would keep

I agree on the Lutefisk.. and I am part Norwegian.

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#15 srcain
February 10 2011, 06:25PM
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i dont see the point in trading away young, still developing players, for 2nd round picks. cogs has had a rough first half of the season, but it looks like he might be finding himself a role with the team now as a penalty killer, omark should be considered untouchable for at least another year to really see what we have with him. smid, he can prob be a decent 5/6 dman, and provide the team with some depth at the position if they can ever find a 1/2 dman. ( aside from whitney of course ) gilbert imo is a 3/4 guy. draft picks, especially outside the first round, are gambles are they not? thoughts anyone?

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#16 Clyde Frog
February 10 2011, 07:12PM
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Giving away now players for 2nd round picks that have between a 15% to 30% chance to play more than 40 games in the NHL only works if you have actual players in the farm ready to step up and contribute at close levels or can reasonbly expect to replace them with free-agents.

I am against just trading away for picks unless someone who gets paid bags of money in the Oilers development staff firmly believe they have a fix.

For example lets look at how awesome Foster has been at replacing Souray's production, not even looking at the physical/grit intangibles lost.

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#17 Matt Henderson
February 10 2011, 07:55PM
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Jones out, 2nd rounder in.

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#18 spOILer
February 10 2011, 08:09PM
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Jones has to be considered bait before Omark. Gotta think Cogs and Brule too. But WG is right, the bottom end Dmen are the players most likely in demand and thus most likely to garner decent return...

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#19 Matt Henderson
February 10 2011, 11:09PM
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Sandra Blood wrote:

I would trade Hemsky before Omark. Hemsky has more give a ways.

2008-2009, Hemsky plays relatively a full season. Here are a list of a few players with more giveaways: Ovechkin, Green, Thornton, Kovalchuk, Malkin, and Crosby.

All of them gave the puck away more. Turns out when you handle the puck all the time you tend to give it away more. Giveaways are almost a better measure of how much a team depends on certain players to carry the puck.

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#20 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 11 2011, 08:12AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I know there are guys who felt i pushed at nauseum about the possibility of the Oilers receiving a second lottery pick to go with our own, in exchange for a possible Hemsky+/Penner+ deadline deal. With the Sens receiving a first for Fisher today, was my wishful thinking really all that out of line....OB1?

Yes

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#21 CurtisS
February 11 2011, 08:44AM
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What time is your show today LT?

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#22 edmontoncritic - BRoadwAY
February 10 2011, 06:53PM
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Wanye wrote:

Don't listen to this guy LT. You could put pics of these girls on there with only a single word "Oprah" and I would consider it one of the top articles of 2011.

*sees new article......holy crap that chick is hot*

*opens article.....holy crap that chick is hot*

Sex sells gentlemen! I think you were writing about big guns??

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#23 goldenchild
February 10 2011, 06:54PM
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Pilgor09 wrote:

That first girl is absolutely jaw dropping. At least we know she isn't apart of the octane.......

They are all pics of Sophia Vergara. Every time I see her all i can hear is JAAAAAAYY

I agree with more bullets if you are trading players that are duplicated on the roster or do not have a future beyond next year but i would hate to see them trade guys enetering their prime for a pick that you hope turns out to be the type of player you are trading in 4 years, ie Penner or Hemmer. the only way those guys should get moved is if you are getting NHL players back that help you today and tomorrow.

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#24 Clarkenstein
February 10 2011, 06:55PM
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Omark?? LT please stay out of the wobbleypops on a weeknight!! Give the kid a chance... he's been coming on and he's just started shaving!! Some of your other suggestions I'm good with especially Hemsky and Penner altho' I would be more apt to trade one of them this year and the other next year. I'd probably keep anybody under 24 yrs. old and other than that... trade the rest including Lowe, Tambo and the Cheerleaders.

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#25 edmontoncritic - BRoadwAY
February 10 2011, 06:55PM
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The world did not start when the big bang happened it was actually when Brooke Burke was born. Just an FYI for you inquiring minds

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#26 Woodguy
February 10 2011, 07:31PM
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With all the Dmen going down around the league, the price is going up.

I don't think a 2nd is out of the question for Vandermeer.

I'd like to see Tambellini deal Foster for whatever he can get as well. He may never have a more desperate market as he does now.

Now is the time to clear out the chaff of the D.

I doubt you get much for Strudwick, and someone has to play out the string. Struddy in the lineup every night helps chase OTT down the rabbit hole as well.

Also,

Don't trade Omark. The v3.45 of the PP with Omark on the blue actually had some movement and quick passes. It may turn into something. He's a keeper.

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#27 Oilers4ever
February 10 2011, 07:32PM
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What, did someone say something about draft picks? Trading players... so long as we aren't trading any of those fine young ladies. Maybe they should coach the Oil for a game.. dressed as they are... I'll gurantee we'd win.. the opposition's mind wouldn't be on hockey. :)

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#28 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 10 2011, 07:33PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Giving away now players for 2nd round picks that have between a 15% to 30% chance to play more than 40 games in the NHL only works if you have actual players in the farm ready to step up and contribute at close levels or can reasonbly expect to replace them with free-agents.

I am against just trading away for picks unless someone who gets paid bags of money in the Oilers development staff firmly believe they have a fix.

For example lets look at how awesome Foster has been at replacing Souray's production, not even looking at the physical/grit intangibles lost.

Exactly... and if you think the success rate at the 40 game mark is weak, wait until you see at the 400 game mark.

I really hope the Oilers don't overate DP's as bad as most fans do.

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#29 Woodguy
February 10 2011, 07:35PM
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Agree 100% with Vergera.

Vergera looks a lot like CZJ.

Excellent taste.

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#30 jr_christ
February 10 2011, 07:44PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Omark for a high 2nd round? No thanks.

Agreed!

If we lose Omark to a second round we are absolutely nuts. He's a rookie with a nack to controlling the pace on the PP...

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#31 Matt Henderson
February 10 2011, 07:58PM
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@jr_christ

I don't think Omark qualifies as a rookie.

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#33 Quicksilver ballet
February 10 2011, 08:23PM
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I wasn't aware these beautiful women were going to be there to welcome us to The Pint and the Inaugural broacast of the Oilersnation show this coming Saturday. Is there a fee for auto's and photos sir?

We may need more glitter with women like that hanging around The Pint.

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#34 S_Dub
February 10 2011, 08:26PM
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At what point do the Oilers stop collecting picks and prospects, and make a play for the missing parts on this team that haven't come through the draft? If Nashville's first is enough to pry Fisher out of Ottawa, is the Oilers first enough to get Spezza?

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#35 Quicksilver ballet
February 10 2011, 08:29PM
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I know there are guys who felt i pushed at nauseum about the possibility of the Oilers receiving a second lottery pick to go with our own, in exchange for a possible Hemsky+/Penner+ deadline deal. With the Sens receiving a first for Fisher today, was my wishful thinking really all that out of line....OB1?

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#36 JaroslavPouzar
February 10 2011, 08:45PM
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haha Lutefisk.... good call LT...

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#37 velo
February 10 2011, 09:47PM
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Love you to death LT, but enough is enough. Adding a high pick is ok, but the draft is a gamble. A guy like Omark is a smurf who can protect the puck and generate offense. He has come along quickly adjusting to the ice size and style of play in my mind. Plus he's fun to watch.

We may have forgotten, given the current state of affairs, that hockey should be fun to watch.

It's time to develop a plan to build around current pieces and fill some holes. It's not time to trade away possible pieces of the puzzle for big question marks.

That being said, if a player is not part of that plan, then get what you can...just don't acquire picks for the sake of aquiring picks.

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#38 Chris.
February 10 2011, 10:03PM
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Nice bullets.

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#39 SumOil
February 10 2011, 10:03PM
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Agreed with Sophia Vergara Modern Family is the funniest show on Tv right now.... i can never forget two clips: 1> when she and Jay are talking to the neighbor about his dog barking and the neighbor replies with "what about the parrot in ur house" next they show clips of gloria shouting Jaaaaaaaay jaaaaaay... 2> Whatever mom and dad were doing, looked like Dad was winning!!

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#40 jaicee
February 10 2011, 10:29PM
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Great article, and nice pics!

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#41 FastOil
February 10 2011, 10:43PM
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Trading players of which you have many versions is a low risk. Keeping all of those players is a high risk. This is a league bottom team with too many small skill forwards and non physical D that loses.

The team will not be better until balance is addressed, you can quote me on that.

If Hemsky can bring a top 5 first rounder this year, the chance of return is equal or better. If a deal for Bogosian or Gudbranson is there, done.

We have a very small skilled RW - Omark (prefers), Eberle, Hemsky. Is the world going to end if Hemmer goes - no. The team was no different, I would say better when he is injured, that being often.

If Hemsky goes and a second high pick scores Landeskog, the team wins. It's not all about points scored - solid, physical two way players that produce decent points are far more valuable overall, especially come playoff time.

The team has to change to get better. Clearly. Waiting for the rookies to develop still leaves us with a lot of small skilled players and no bigger tougher players that can actually play. You have to have those players.

The system is well stocked now, but with more versions of what we already have. And a new high draft year is looming. Skilled guys with limited physicality. Large guys who may not make it. Trade Martindale for Zach Kassian. Trade Pitlick for Beach or the like. Trade Hamilton for Staubitz.

Do something to address the holes in the roster that the current prospects can't fill. Offensive players have more value in a trade so I am certain deals can be done for less points productive players with qualities we need.

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#42 Sandra Blood
February 10 2011, 10:44PM
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I would trade Hemsky before Omark. Hemsky has more give a ways.

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#43 PaperDesigner
February 10 2011, 10:45PM
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@Wanye

The idea of trading young players for picks is insane. We need players that are going to be hitting their late twenties just as some of these draft picks are rounding into form. I'd rather a 28 year old Smid be sheltering some up-and-coming players than rotating a bunch of raw 21 year old farmhands through the bottom pairing because Stu drafted two or three ones that are going to be NHL players, but are creating chaos in the meantime. If a player doesn't fit long-term, that's one thing. But why deal a young up-and-coming powerplay specialist in Omark, when the PP has such woes as is? Why deal a physical defenceman in Smid when you just went through all the painful development years to let someone else get his prime years out of him? NOOOOO! That's what stupid teams do! Look, they can deal Ryan Jones, Jim Vandermeer, and even Penner or Hemsky if they won't re-sign at reasonable cap numbers, but why would you get rid of the players that can be a part of a playoff charge in two years if they are going to be around for the long-haul?

Makes zero sense. Stu already got his bullets. It was called the 2010 draft, and the way it's looking, five years from now, that draft will probably end up defining this team.

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#44 Sandra Blood
February 10 2011, 10:58PM
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I would trade Plante for a second rounder. Smid has all heart and tries like hell, loves the city and organization but, it's time for him to go. He needs a fresh start, he's to confortable here. Tambi should have traded Souray at the draft, but he screwed up. He wanted to show Katz and Lowe that he did it for them. Now he has no value. You can't give him away at half price. Coglino is scared of a fresh start some where else. He is comfortable here and does not want to leave. He will be a good third liner/PK. Keep him. Now a crazy one. Trade Horcoff and 3rd round to the Rangers for Redden and Michael Sauer. He lost his mojo. Kids seem to be tuning him out. We have to remeber, he learned from Moreau. After he is traded, then and only then will this team be in a new direction. Offer a contract to Vandermeer, he is only 30 and if he plays this way he is a good mentor for Peckham. His toughness will be needed if Macintyre is not around next year. He likes it here too.

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#45 CSimpson18
February 11 2011, 12:22AM
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Players that can go for a draft pick: Foster, Fraser, Jones, Vandermeer, Strudwick, Reddox, Jacques, Brule. Obviously though the Oilers shouldn't create holes by trading too many.

I do recognize that Stu Mac can turn lead to gold, but Edmonton should hold on to middling assets that could be packaged for a big return over the next couple years. Smid should stay for now or be packaged with Penner for Bogosian if that's on the table. Same with Cogs.

Omark should absolutely not be traded as his value is nothing compared to his potential.

At this point in the rebuild the Oilers need to stay patient and horde assets rather than flipping everything for picks. Just wait til a team gets desperate, package up good pieces and get something really good.

There's good prospects coming in at every position already so it's time to think about looking for dollar bills rather than 20 nickels.

Bogosian Bogosian Bogo. That is all.

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#46 Randall Shermer
February 11 2011, 03:11AM
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It doesn't need to be "more" bullets. Thinking back to Marincin it might depend upon where the Oilers draft team think they need to get a pick where they need. Maybe sometimes it will be better to trade up? A depth D might be better to move up in the 3rd round rather than take a really late round pick. It wouldn't be horrendous to keep an RFA asset like Cogliano past the deadline to move at the draft. At the deadline teams are usually looking for vets anyway.

Also, I think it bears emphasizing that it doesn't make sense to add bullets when the cost is pieces meant for the rebuild. I believe Tambellini enough when he says he won't sway from his plan, meaning he'll keep the players he thinks are important and ditch the chaff. I just think its likely he'll flush good while keeping crap.

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#47 Salo35
February 11 2011, 04:12AM
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A Second for either Omark or Cogliano? please explain this one. With the potential of Hemsky leaving either this season or the next, is Omark not a likely candidate to take over the roll Hemsky currenly holds? Lets not forget the younger age and softer cap it. I agree with other posts, what is this obsession with moving Omark. The same goes for Cogliano. Sure he did not become the 25 goal a year player many thought he would become after his first two seaons, but what are the chances of finding another player of Cogliano's ability with a second round pick.

Yes Stu has done a great job in drafting well, but its seems as though some people are more interested in trading the now for the tomorrow. When is it ever going to end? And while Im add it, what is with the talk of trading Gagner. A solid 40+ point producer in each of his first 4 years, at an age of 21. Ive read the justification: "With Hall, Eberle, & Co showing they can play top 6 minutues, it make players such as Gagner expendable" OK,I can see the rationality behind those that, but isnt that what we were saying when Gagner, Cogliano, and Nilsson were dominating the kid line? Remember when Gibert beat Coffeys record and then had a 45 point season but just read what people think of him now. Basically, what I am saying is, lets wait to see what happens with these youngs kids before we are ready to ship out half the team.

IF we are really serious about trading players such as Smid, Cogliano, Omark, etc. lets make it for something substantial. Something we can put on the roster, not another draft pick. Lets address our needs of today.

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#48 Truth
February 11 2011, 07:46AM
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Is it possible Foster moves? For some reason I thought he was only signed for this year, but I was wrong still 1 more after this.

I would like to see him be gone for anything the Oilers can get. It has become apparent the only thing he would succeed at is a hardest shot competition, as in a game he either hits the defender or misses the net by a mile.

I do realize that he is having to deal with horrific circumstances and I do not take that lightly. I just believe he is not a good hockey player and he is taking up a spot that Plante or another young guy could fill in for next year.

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#49 Gilmore Tuttle
February 11 2011, 07:57AM
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Does lutefisk taste like chicken?

And to think that Sophia is a natural blonde who couldn't get acting jobs!

I hope the team does as well with their picks this year as they did in the past with Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi. The kids signed thousands of autographs yesterday afternoon without complaint and had time to talk to every young kid. Nice to see that they "get it", at least at this stage of their lives and are putting out a good effort both on and off the ice.

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#50 Truth
February 11 2011, 08:11AM
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Also, big 4 point game tomorrow. Go Sens? 14-13 with big nights from all oiler rookies.

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