Trade Target: Bogosian
Lowetide
February 16 2011 07:26AM
This is Zach Bogosian. 20-years old, he plays the toughest opposition available, has size and can handle himself. And he might be available.
Nick Kypreos has connections and a twitter account, plus he's an NHL Insider. When he tweets:
- "Bogosian hasn't officially asked to be traded but it's been noted he's not happy and would like change of scenery by next season."
I start thinking about ways to get him on the roster. Nothing against Adam Larsson, but if the Oilers take him with their lottery pick this summer it will be followed by at least two or three years of development. Defensemen develop by sundial, history tells us that much. Bogosian's growing pains are already well underway and a true defenseman is coming out the other side.
How good is Bogosian? Well his boxcars this season (47gp, 4-7-11 -16) aren't spectacular but he's not a one trick pony either. What does he do? He handles the heavy lifting in Atlanta, as this chart shows (chart here) and if he's available the Oilers have to take a look at it. imo.
I'm not suggesting the Oilers trade their lottery pick for Bogosian, but a package of picks and players might be enough to pry him from the Thrashers. 6.03, 205 and his scouting report shines:
- Has great mobility. Owns a huge shot from the point and sound offensive ability. Is very aggressive and capable of shutting down opposing forwards.
That from HN.
Disagree
The early returns are that he is not what the Oil need. If going high trade cost, it needs to be a playmaker D or centre or goalie.
Shea Weber material? Don't think so.
Okay.
The majority of our best d-man have always been from a trade, so I'm on board with making a play for Bogosian.
Thrashers are 120-135 by my count at even strength btw. So, Bogosian playing a lot of equal strength minutes and playing tough competition suggests his minus number isn't as out of whack as it appears.
Is Atlanta still happy with Oduya? I know some fans didn't really like him earlier in the year. Maybe we try shore up our defense with more than just a young Bogosian.
Start negotiations with Sam Gagner for Bogosian. (might have to throw in a Petry)
Since the rumor first popped up regarding Bogosian, I have been thinking of ways to acquire him. He is perfect for the current Oilers and could be an anchor for the defense for years to come
@ Oilcruzer
What was Shea Weber at 20?
Bogosian? Sure.
What's it cost?
(PS: I like Hemsky. A lot.)
At only $1Mill/ year until summer, he will need re-signing, likely costing $2.5/ per....
Tempting to skip a couple development years, as long as we don't have to throw him Gilbert money to stay.
What would be the modern equivalent of Roman Hamrlik? Ryan Whitney?
I think Bogosian is the only player that has come up in the rumors so far that may be worthwhile trading Hemsky for. Hemsky and Smid for Bogosian?
I'd rather give him Gilbert money than give Gilbert gilbert money.
Thomas Ezekial Gilbert is worth no more than $2.5 per
**made up, but true**
@Lowetide
what do you think the chances are that the Oilers will have to give up one of Hall/Eberle/Paarjarvi? And what else will they have to give up to acquire Bogosian
I agree and I think we can buy low... i.e. no hemsky.
TESTIFY!
Trade for a stud D, then add a C at the draft. Get some grit July 01st, and we're off and running. If that takes Hemsky....so be it. Now c'mon Steve, make it happen.
What?? Dude go ahead and check out behindthenet stats for all defensemen. Gilbert is worth his cap hit.
It will be hard to acquire him without giving up anything of significance. I am wishing we get it done without having to give up any of the three musketeers. So that leaves Hemsky, 1st rounder.
@SumOil
Second rounder, Taylor Chorney, a pair of Martin Marincin's socks and Tyler Bunz.
Lock it up.
It will cost Edmonton at least Hemsky or Penner to get him. If I was going to choose it would be Hemsky, he's the type of player Atlanta is looking for. Also LT you cannot compare Adam Larsson and Zach Bogosian. Zach Bogosian has the potential to be a 1-2 defenseman, were Larsson would be at best a solid 3-4 defenseman. Personally I would trade LINUS OMARK, ANDREW COGLIANO, and Edmonton's 2nd draft pick 2011 for Bogosian, but that's wishful thinking.
Bogosian will be a top 2 pair in the future....maybe is already...Get him here. Whitney-Bogosian Peckham-Gilby Petry-(Plante,Chorney,Marincin...who-ever)still another development year anyways.
@Chappy
mybe we could even dangle the 2012 first rounder
Okay. You make the phone call. I'll be behind the corner writhing my hands together.
Yup...get Smid out of here while he is'nt conussed/hurt
Oh this deal makes so much sense. Hemsky plus smid for bogosian. Why wouldn't the oilers want bogosian. He is perfect for what the oilers need. A young defenseman. I highly doubt mgmt does anything because well, we are the oilers.
With Byfuglien, Enstrom and Oduya ahead of him on the Thrashers depth chart + a win now attitude I can see why Bogosian isn't happy there. He's been a healthy scratch this year and isn't getting the same time on the PP that he did before as well.
Dudley signing Byfuglien to an extension yesterday pretty much solidifies Atlanta's top 2 for the next 3 years. So if there are rumors that Bogosian wants out, I'd believe it.
Atlanta is weak on the right side so Hemsky would be an ideal place to start. Maybe throw in Teddy Peckham as well to see if that will at least have Dudley start the discussion.
Hemsky + Peckham + Pitlick + a pick (2nd or 3rd rounder)
Those guys are untouchable, wont be involved in any trade unless you were getting a proven star back.
Bogosian may be good but at this point he's an unproven prospect that isnt getting along with his coach, has been a healthy scratch this season and now that they've locked Byfuglien up long term is stuck on the second pairing for the forseeable future.
@VMR
Depends on your definition of second pairing. However, the mad money thrown at byfuglien does mean that they will not be looking to spend a lot in bogosian
@OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
That's an overpayment. I keep Peckham cause without him the Oilers blueline will be incredibly soft. Hemsky + Smid or maybe Hemsky + Chorney + 3rd.
I'm onboard, but I don't think we will be able to fleece ATL the way we stole the Human Rake out of STL. I would be willing to give up Hemsky, Gagner or Cogliano & a guy like Petry or Plante. Get some picks out of Atlanta too, we could maybe move those at the draft for position or players.
@Chappy
Well if the management makes smart decisions in the off season, that 2012 first rounder will be close to tenth overall. Which means that we still win the trade
Lets get this done and draft us a center.
This is a premier opportunity for the team.
@VMR
Edit: My rant was deleted so I quit.
Sure but Smid and Peckham are both RFA's at the end of this year I dont think there will be a huge difference in what they end up making.
Hemsky is a much more proven player at a reasonable rate than Bogosian, it'd be crazy to move him and through in a bunch of prospects and draft picks. Bogosian may be good but he could still be a bust as well, he certainly isnt looking to be a 1-2 guy at this point.
@OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
Are you crazy or just hung over from last nights win.
Another defenceman with the habit of asking for trades? And he's only 20? Buyer beware.
It would give the Oilers the 1 or 2 defenseman they need in time, if it doesn't cost too much lets see if they can make it happen. Here is another name I will throw out there that is available; Cam Baker of Minnesota, when he was with Chicago he had potential not sure what has happened to him but 6.03 and 220lbs with a heavy shot 3rd overall pick a few years ago, maybe available. Thoughts??
~A large, mobile d-man with a great shot... who needs that?~
I'm sick of the PMD argument: this team already has Whitney, Gilbert, Petry, Chorney... How about just a D? (A horse who can play 25min a night with out breaking down)
No I do not move the lottery pick for Bogosian... but I'd sure move Hemsky for him. If you want to wait and build an entire d-core out of players as good or better than Shea weber you will be waiting a very, very long time...
@VMR
I think it is more a case that he has been passed on the Depth chart by Byfuglien & Enstrom. After reading what Bob McKenzie wrote, he figures it's more a case that he can't do anything to get him out of the dog house with the coaching staff. Similiar to what Penner was dealing with when MacT was his coach.
Ovenchicken, Atlanta's management would love you for that trade, they would pretend to think about it in reality they would pull the trigger so fast on that one sided deal.
If we could steer them away from Hemsky it would be a bonus. Gagner,Brule and Smid for the Bogeyman.
I already have Hemsky and Penner tied up in other deals, next year is the start of a whole new era.
I'd love to get Bogosian on this team. The only question is, do we have an Alexei Zhitnik to send the other way?
If Bogosian wants out of Atlanta , chances are he may not want here either . Their was talk of Seguin being a possible move from Bruins . How about Hemsky , Penner and our first round pick for Bruins two first round picks , Wheeler and Seguin ?
@derrickhands
Do you think Atlanta is going to trade him away for peanuts? The kid is an RFA at the end of the season so there is no rush to trade him away. Will Pitlick be an elite level center? I'd say his ceiling is a decent two-way second liner, most likely a decent 3rd liner with some size and grit. Will Peckham be much more then a #4/5 on a winning squad? The 2nd or 3rd round pick is likely to be a project player and with Atlanta's past record for scouting I wouldn't be too worried.
Hemsky is the only proven player going to Atlanta and who knows if he even wants to be part of the rebuild here.
Bogosian is a decent sized Right handed dman with a big shot on the point. He plays fairly physical and makes a great first pass out of the zone. Whitney/Bogosian would be a great start to build Edmontons defensive core.
Since we are talking trades: Howsen's Columus squad is only one point behind Chicago in the tight Western Conference playoff race. Word is, Scott may be flushed by his ownership group this summer if he fails to make the playoffs... Could Ryan Johansen be available? Wasn't Ryan was the center being targeted by Stu's staff last draft? Who are we to argue with the Magnificent Bastard?
Yeah that Jack Johnson is a total bust. amirite
Also: it was sure nice of Hemsky to put on such a big show for the Los Angeles scouts last night.
Florida has 3 youngsters Oilers should be interested in trying to obtain in Gudbranson , Howden and Bjugstad . Any ideas of a possible trade here ?
I have some serious concerns about trying to trade for Bogosian. Here is my issue, we are talking about a 20yr old who may be asking for a trade. This early in his career and already asking for a trade because he is unhappy. Doesn't sound like a team player to me sounds more like he care about himself. If hes not willing to accept a role when asked of him I don't think he will be happy anywhere unless the team is willing to bend over every time he wants them to. This to me just seems like another Pronger/Souray situation. But this is just my opinion there may be more to the situation and maybe he isn't that kind of buy but it still makes me hesitant.