Trade Target: Bogosian

Lowetide
February 16 2011 07:26AM

This is Zach Bogosian. 20-years old, he plays the toughest opposition available, has size and can handle himself. And he might be available.
 

Nick Kypreos has connections and a twitter account, plus he's an NHL Insider. When he tweets:

  • "Bogosian hasn't officially asked to be traded but it's been noted he's not happy and would like change of scenery by next season."

I start thinking about ways to get him on the roster. Nothing against Adam Larsson, but if the Oilers take him with their lottery pick this summer it will be followed by at least two or three years of development. Defensemen develop by sundial, history tells us that much. Bogosian's growing pains are already well underway and a true defenseman is coming out the other side.

How good is Bogosian? Well his boxcars this season (47gp, 4-7-11 -16)  aren't spectacular but he's not a one trick pony either. What does he do? He handles the heavy lifting in Atlanta, as this chart shows (chart here) and if he's available the Oilers have to take a look at it. imo.

I'm not suggesting the Oilers trade their lottery pick for Bogosian, but a package of picks and players might be enough to pry him from the Thrashers. 6.03, 205 and his scouting report shines:

  • Has great mobility. Owns a huge shot from the point and sound offensive ability. Is very aggressive and capable of shutting down opposing forwards.

That from HN.

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#151 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 04:19PM
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@The Beaker

We would still be carrying Khabibulin's cap hit. Long-term injured reserve is the only way we can get out of that; even if he retires, we still carry the cap hit.

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#152 Dman09
February 16 2011, 04:26PM
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I don't think the cap is of any concern for the remainder of his contract. One big reason I think it would be good to keep him around is to help develop the prospects. In his prime he was a great goaltender, he knows what it takes to become a stanley cup champion, and hes been through a lot of different situations throughout the league. I think he can still be a very useful asset.

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#153 RossCreekNation
February 16 2011, 04:26PM
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Fun thread. I think most people here know where I stand, since I posed the question on twitter - "Would you do Hemsky for Bogosian?" - and awoke the next day to find it as a legit rumor suddenly (lol).

In any case, I'm not sure ATL does Hemsky for Bogosian. Gagner & Smid, probably. And Tambellini/Lowe is/are idiots if they wouldn't do it. Nuff said. Aside from Hall, not sure there's a guy in the org you wouldn't trade for Bogosian. Point. Blank. Period.

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#154 Pajamah
February 16 2011, 04:30PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Fun thread. I think most people here know where I stand, since I posed the question on twitter - "Would you do Hemsky for Bogosian?" - and awoke the next day to find it as a legit rumor suddenly (lol).

In any case, I'm not sure ATL does Hemsky for Bogosian. Gagner & Smid, probably. And Tambellini/Lowe is/are idiots if they wouldn't do it. Nuff said. Aside from Hall, not sure there's a guy in the org you wouldn't trade for Bogosian. Point. Blank. Period.

Include Eberyay, and Paajarvi, and agreed.

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#155 The Beaker
February 16 2011, 04:39PM
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Steve Smith wrote:

We would still be carrying Khabibulin's cap hit. Long-term injured reserve is the only way we can get out of that; even if he retires, we still carry the cap hit.

Thats what I thought. All the more reason that there is no point in doing anything with Habby unless someone does something stupid and offers something for him (dreamland)

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#156 Master Lok
February 16 2011, 04:53PM
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If Bogosian is available, then I agree the oilers have to make an effort to trade for him. Would Gagner plus Smid be of interest for Bogosian?

This would allow the Oilers to draft either RNH or Couturier.

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#157 Death Metal Nightmare
February 16 2011, 04:59PM
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totally over the "this is" intro. i almost cant read the articles anymore.

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#158 Chris.
February 16 2011, 05:03PM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

totally over the "this is" intro. i almost cant read the articles anymore.

Then don't.

Why should Lowetide change his writing style to accomodate the petty sensibilities of Death Metal Nightmare?

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#159 Ethan Kortbeek
February 16 2011, 05:14PM
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@db7db7db7

not gonna lie to you, the thought had crossed my mind...at least someone to help these guys along for a year would be nice to see...a lemeuix-crosby type relationship, without the touching though.

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#160 Makarov
February 16 2011, 05:15PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

I don't see it, Ive only seen Bogosian in a single digit amount of games (6-8 Id say), but the biggest thing he brings to the table is youth. I don't see him as any better than many other older free agents and 30 year olds we can acquire via trade. He could, or even should, get better as time goes but trading your best FW's to get someone who isn't going to be your best D (Whitney) is very risky. Especially a D man that brings little offense to the table - thats way more easily replicated than Hemsky's skill-set.

Lots of people say Hemmers skill-set is replaced by Omark and Gagner if we move him. Omark has 3 goals and looks more like Robert Nilsson than Hemsky most shifts. Sam Gagner is a prospect trending downward - hes iffy to even be a 2nd line producer at best nowadays, the comparisons to Spezza, Damphousse, and Gilmour are all garbage now. Each of those players topped 90 pts by 4th season or sooner. Ol Samwise will be lucky to hit 50.

A "tough" D man isnt something you trade your best player for, its something a competent GM aquires for your team giving up minimal assets. I am hoping Bogosians age doesn't throw up blinders to logical moves. Last thing we need is a 20 year old with a bad enough attitude to make it known he wants to move teams. He will absolutely LOVE going to a last place team.

Gags omark and paajarvi has 18 games together, 2 rookies and a 21 year old kid.Do you really watch the games?, your comparison with Nilsson is pretty lame!

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#161 kinnick kinnick
February 16 2011, 05:15PM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

totally over the "this is" intro. i almost cant read the articles anymore.

Agree with Chris.

Nobody is here to read your intros, which so far have included such creative comments as 'like, totally'.

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#162 Quicksilver ballet
February 16 2011, 05:17PM
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Alan, can you go up one side and down the other on the possibility of the Oilers making a play for Gudbranson, do you have access to that Bronte5000 as well?

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#163 T.C.
February 16 2011, 05:32PM
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Still cheering for landeskog!!

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#165 Coco Crisp
February 16 2011, 05:41PM
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@Chris.

Because it is bland boring and old... suck on that one Chrisy boy

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#167 Bucknuck
February 16 2011, 05:45PM
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I am not sure if I would trade Hemsky (as close to a PPG player as we have had here since Weight) straight across for Bogosian. I love the way Bogosian plays, and all the tools he has, but players like Hemsky are quite rare. There are less than 30 players in the league with his offensive skill, and he's only 27, just hitting his prime. Injury is concern with him, but his lift you out of your chair entertainment capability is worth a lot.

Having said all that. I would love to see Bogosian in an Oiler Uniform. I could be convinced.

As far as untouchables: I believe the untouchables on the Oilers roster should be: Hall, Eberle, Petry, Paajarvi, Gagner, Whitney, Peckham, Dubnyk, and Penner.

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#168 Horcsky
February 16 2011, 05:59PM
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@Bucknuck

I like Hemsky too, but sadly I've come to realize that "lift (me) out of (my) chair" has little to do with results and solid hockey players. These sentimental feelings definitely get in the way of good analysis of players by us as fans, and I can only hope it doesn't cloud the GM's judgment too.

Case in point, I'd take Horcoff, Penner, and Gilbert over Hemsky, Peckham, and Linus Omark. The former aren't flashy, but they are effective more games than not. Hemsky and Omark are certainly flashy, but they aren't giving you the solid hockey you need every game. Though most wouldn't call Teddy Peckham flashy, his ability to deliver big hits gives him that wow-factor that fans love, but he's no Gilbert . . . yet.

I guess my point is that most fans would take my latter group over the first one, but I think they'd be wrong.

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#169 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 06:17PM
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@Horcsky

I agree with your post's thesis, but disagree with your categorization of Hemsky. He is as effective as he is flashy, by the underlying numbers; he, Penner, and Horcoff are the only Oiler forwards who have shown themselves consistently able to handle tough opposition (when not themselves carrying boat anchors), though Hall and Eberle can almost be added to that category.

I don't know enough about Bogosian to know if trading Hemsky for him would be wise, but it's underselling the latter to imply that he's all, or even mostly, sizzle and no steak.

(And even Omark looks like he's no Rob Schremp in that department, at least at this early stage.)

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#170 pelhem grenville
February 16 2011, 06:23PM
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Lowetide wrote:

This is Death Metal Nightmare. :-)

... such a NightMary...what part of a signature lead when writing don't you get?

regards

dark & stormy night

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#171 Clyde Frog
February 16 2011, 06:24PM
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I'm just not sure you trade either Penner or Hemsky unless you KNOW you can't resign them.

Both are better NOW than a top 5 pick and both will be better in the next 5 years than a 4-30 pick for sure. Barring winning the lottery, pigs flying, etc.

I just look at all the teams on the cusp, who we will want to compete against over the next 2-4 years for the playoffs and if they are so desperate for the talent we have in 2 players... If we make this trade today, what will stop us mortgaging our future in a few years to try and get the same types of players back?

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#172 Crackenbury
February 16 2011, 06:25PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Fun thread. I think most people here know where I stand, since I posed the question on twitter - "Would you do Hemsky for Bogosian?" - and awoke the next day to find it as a legit rumor suddenly (lol).

In any case, I'm not sure ATL does Hemsky for Bogosian. Gagner & Smid, probably. And Tambellini/Lowe is/are idiots if they wouldn't do it. Nuff said. Aside from Hall, not sure there's a guy in the org you wouldn't trade for Bogosian. Point. Blank. Period.

You're a little late to the party. I talked about Hemsky for Bogosian a week ago on this site and I doubt I was the first to talk about it. Get over yourself.

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#173 Crackenbury
February 16 2011, 06:30PM
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Hemsky is not going to re-sign here. His focus is and always has been on himself and he doesn't like being thrust into the role of mentor to the kids. He's gone by the deadline.

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#174 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 06:31PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

Hemsky is not going to re-sign here. His focus is and always has been on himself and he doesn't like being thrust into the role of mentor to the kids. He's gone by the deadline.

It's funny, because you tell somebody to get over himself, then immediately post that. The unintentional humour: it's why I come here. Well, that and the trolling. And Willis (and LT, though I get plenty of him elsewhere).

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#175 Quicksilver ballet
February 16 2011, 06:43PM
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Looks like something could happen on this front sooner rather than later, according to Kypreos he's asked to be moved now.

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#176 OilFan
February 16 2011, 06:45PM
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Hemsky reminds me of marian gaborik? What was he worth? That's what Tambo should be thinking. Same style and injury history ? I don't think you get this type of player every day ? Trade a player like Hemmer for not a legit/proven player when you still have him signed for another season? Who cares about that other guys stats look at what the Oilers would be giving up, top line player PPG or close too. Oh yeah the rebuild, look at all the early first picks Gagner, Eberle, Hall etc but yet the Oilers management needs more picks, come on!!! This is a rebuild for ever not to win!!!! Look at all the first round picks the team has had, yet we are still to believe that we need the FIST pick two , three , four years in a row to win. When the season is done, which ever team wins I'll bet they never had to have the FIST pick TWO times in a row!!!!

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#177 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 06:47PM
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Your keyboard's broken.

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#178 a lg dubl dubl
February 16 2011, 06:54PM
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if hemsky does get traded to ATL we'll get to see what he can do in a different jersey come saterday.

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#179 RossCreekNation
February 16 2011, 07:01PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

You're a little late to the party. I talked about Hemsky for Bogosian a week ago on this site and I doubt I was the first to talk about it. Get over yourself.

Ahahahaha, yeah okay pal.

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/7/gdb-530-oilers-dont-have-an-arnie/page/2#comments

Start on the 2nd page. This is far from the first time I have mentioned it. And OB1 brought up Bogosian's name here long before anyone else.

Also, first paragraph...

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/2/9/1982347/oilers-potential-trading-partners-rangers-thrashers-blackhawks

Late to the party... pfffft.

Quick search shows you mention him here:

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/12/taylor-hall-road-warrior

Get over yerself.

#internetbeef

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#180 Crackenbury
February 16 2011, 07:08PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Ahahahaha, yeah okay pal.

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/7/gdb-530-oilers-dont-have-an-arnie/page/2#comments

Start on the 2nd page. This is far from the first time I have mentioned it. And OB1 brought up Bogosian's name here long before anyone else.

Also, first paragraph...

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/2/9/1982347/oilers-potential-trading-partners-rangers-thrashers-blackhawks

Late to the party... pfffft.

Quick search shows you mention him here:

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/12/taylor-hall-road-warrior

Get over yerself.

#internetbeef

What was hard to understand about what I said. I said I already mentioned it and that I wasn't the first to do so. I'll try to keep it more simple for you in the future.

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#181 Oilcruzer
February 16 2011, 07:09PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I'm sorry, what has Bogosian done to suggest he's more valuable than the Oilers highest scoring Centre?

He isn't scoring, he isn't a stalwart defensively, and he's fallen down their depth chart to the point being scratched at times this season.

Just outline for me all the reasons Bogosian has been a better NHL player than 89 and don't mention the future since both players are relatively the same age.

Bogo or Alex Pietrangelo would be good pieces to pick up. Pietrangelo has been moved up slowly. He's bigger too.

Bogo bugs me because he was 3 overall, behind Doughty, and not remotely in his class... trending downward, and Byfu blows by him year one in a new position.

Hemsky straight across for either? TOO rich. Whoever made the Gaborik comparison, hit that mark well though. Tons of talent, but fragile.

Don't be quick to drop Smid... there's too many Staios players but not a lot of Smids to quietly accept their role from 3 - 6.

Edit: Funny how two letters turns Staios into Stamkos

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#182 Dennis
February 16 2011, 07:13PM
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I like 89 as much as the next guy but he doesn't project to be a great centre and we've got lots of young talented kids and young Bogo has a great pedigree.

and if we pick him up in a trade like this then we can draft a centre come june.

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#183 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 07:15PM
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Horcsky wrote:

I like Hemsky too, but sadly I've come to realize that "lift (me) out of (my) chair" has little to do with results and solid hockey players. These sentimental feelings definitely get in the way of good analysis of players by us as fans, and I can only hope it doesn't cloud the GM's judgment too.

Case in point, I'd take Horcoff, Penner, and Gilbert over Hemsky, Peckham, and Linus Omark. The former aren't flashy, but they are effective more games than not. Hemsky and Omark are certainly flashy, but they aren't giving you the solid hockey you need every game. Though most wouldn't call Teddy Peckham flashy, his ability to deliver big hits gives him that wow-factor that fans love, but he's no Gilbert . . . yet.

I guess my point is that most fans would take my latter group over the first one, but I think they'd be wrong.

Agreed 100%

You'd think a fan base that watched Ryan Smyth scratch and claw for goals for so many years would realize that flashy doesn't always mean effective.

That said, Hemsky is both flashy and effective

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#184 Crackenbury
February 16 2011, 07:15PM
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Steve Smith wrote:

It's funny, because you tell somebody to get over himself, then immediately post that. The unintentional humour: it's why I come here. Well, that and the trolling. And Willis (and LT, though I get plenty of him elsewhere).

I posted something similar about Hemsky a week ago. At the time I said it would be within a week that Hemsky wanting out would be news. Stay tuned.

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#185 RossCreekNation
February 16 2011, 07:19PM
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@Crackenbury

I could care less who brought it up first, BUT, you insinuated that you brought it up before me (which you didn't), soooo... I called bullshit. And showed you why. Done and done. I brought it up before you, na na na boo boo.

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#186 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 07:25PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Ahahahaha, yeah okay pal.

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/7/gdb-530-oilers-dont-have-an-arnie/page/2#comments

Start on the 2nd page. This is far from the first time I have mentioned it. And OB1 brought up Bogosian's name here long before anyone else.

Also, first paragraph...

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/2/9/1982347/oilers-potential-trading-partners-rangers-thrashers-blackhawks

Late to the party... pfffft.

Quick search shows you mention him here:

http://oilersnation.com/2011/2/12/taylor-hall-road-warrior

Get over yerself.

#internetbeef

I liked that Jones fellow before the season started as well ;0

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#187 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 07:27PM
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Dennis wrote:

I like 89 as much as the next guy but he doesn't project to be a great centre and we've got lots of young talented kids and young Bogo has a great pedigree.

and if we pick him up in a trade like this then we can draft a centre come june.

My issue with trading Gagner for Bogo is essentially stealing from Peter to pay Paul.

Sure we are starved for NHL caliber young dmen, but you could say the same about the center position.

To me anyways, it makes alot more sense to deal from our one position of strength rather then another position of weakness.

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#188 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 07:37PM
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Double post.

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#189 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 07:37PM
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@Crackenbury

You are bad at the following things:

1. Avoiding unintentional irony.

2. Getting over yourself.

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#190 Horcsky
February 16 2011, 07:39PM
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@Steve Smith

You're right that I wasn't being fair to Hemsky, I was reaching a bit to emphasize my point.

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#191 Crackenbury
February 16 2011, 07:39PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

I could care less who brought it up first, BUT, you insinuated that you brought it up before me (which you didn't), soooo... I called bullshit. And showed you why. Done and done. I brought it up before you, na na na boo boo.

The real point I meant to make was regarding your statement "I think most people here know where I stand, since I posed the question on twitter - "Would you do Hemsky for Bogosian?" - and awoke the next day to find it as a legit rumor suddenly (lol)"

You think you prompted this article and the start of this as a legit rumor because of your tweet? Is the (lol) supposed to make you sound clever. It so, it didn't work.

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#192 Tradebot 2011
February 16 2011, 07:44PM
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We need a top D and a top C. We have some tradeable assets. Hemmer, Penner, one of Cogs/Gags, our 2nd pick (31st) and Jones (sell high, won't repeat with this shoot% and is a relatively replaceable player). Two option:

LA Schenn C, Forbort D, for Hemmer, Cogs or 31st pick, Jones and then draft the top forward in RNH or SC

one hole added - three filled

or

LA Schenn for Hemmer + swap seconds + T Hark (even though i like the guy) ATL Bogo for Gagner + Jones and then draft the top forward in RNH or SC

one hole added - three filled.

We have 2 needs and one draft pick. Therefore by default we need to find a way to trade a player and try to fill two holes with that trade/trades. Hemmer fits that bill.

Penner + to BOS for TO pick is on draftbots radar.

Personally i like option one. Forbort over Bog as we gamble a bit more but give up less. We blow, so we can gamble/wait more than these teams who need to win more now.

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#193 RossCreekNation
February 16 2011, 07:45PM
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@Crackenbury

Actually, I meant most people here BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP HERE FIRST, before taking it to twitter.

And I never said I started this as a legit rumor... somebody else said I did:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/2/9/1982347/oilers-potential-trading-partners-rangers-thrashers-blackhawks

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#194 Crackenbury
February 16 2011, 07:53PM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Actually, I meant most people here BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP HERE FIRST, before taking it to twitter.

And I never said I started this as a legit rumor... somebody else said I did:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/2/9/1982347/oilers-potential-trading-partners-rangers-thrashers-blackhawks

Alright, I'm just being an a$$hole and you are a Flames fan afterall. I couldn't help myself.

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#195 RossCreekNation
February 16 2011, 07:57PM
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@Crackenbury

See. The truth shall set you free. Peace, my friend.

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#196 Rogue
February 16 2011, 08:03PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

Alright, I'm just being an a$$hole and you are a Flames fan afterall. I couldn't help myself.

Right on!!!

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#197 Cose16
February 16 2011, 08:05PM
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@Crackenbury

Gentleman can you give it up already props to you both for comming up with a idea that probably will not happen, let it go

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#198 OilFan
February 16 2011, 08:11PM
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@Steve Smith

What?

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#199 Eddie Shore
February 16 2011, 08:16PM
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Crackenbury wrote:

Hemsky is not going to re-sign here. His focus is and always has been on himself and he doesn't like being thrust into the role of mentor to the kids. He's gone by the deadline.

Yes or no: Have you ever spoken to Ales Hemsky?

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#200 albertabeef
February 16 2011, 08:17PM
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Crackenbury, RossCreek - which one of you guys helped Al Gore invent the internet?

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