Trade Target: Bogosian

Lowetide
February 16 2011 07:26AM

This is Zach Bogosian. 20-years old, he plays the toughest opposition available, has size and can handle himself. And he might be available.
 

Nick Kypreos has connections and a twitter account, plus he's an NHL Insider. When he tweets:

  • "Bogosian hasn't officially asked to be traded but it's been noted he's not happy and would like change of scenery by next season."

I start thinking about ways to get him on the roster. Nothing against Adam Larsson, but if the Oilers take him with their lottery pick this summer it will be followed by at least two or three years of development. Defensemen develop by sundial, history tells us that much. Bogosian's growing pains are already well underway and a true defenseman is coming out the other side.

How good is Bogosian? Well his boxcars this season (47gp, 4-7-11 -16)  aren't spectacular but he's not a one trick pony either. What does he do? He handles the heavy lifting in Atlanta, as this chart shows (chart here) and if he's available the Oilers have to take a look at it. imo.

I'm not suggesting the Oilers trade their lottery pick for Bogosian, but a package of picks and players might be enough to pry him from the Thrashers. 6.03, 205 and his scouting report shines:

  • Has great mobility. Owns a huge shot from the point and sound offensive ability. Is very aggressive and capable of shutting down opposing forwards.

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#51 Pajamah
February 16 2011, 07:58AM
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Dodd wrote:

At only $1Mill/ year until summer, he will need re-signing, likely costing $2.5/ per....

Tempting to skip a couple development years, as long as we don't have to throw him Gilbert money to stay.

I'd rather give him Gilbert money than give Gilbert gilbert money.

Thomas Ezekial Gilbert is worth no more than $2.5 per

**made up, but true**

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#52 andrewmk20
February 16 2011, 07:59AM
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@Lowetide

what do you think the chances are that the Oilers will have to give up one of Hall/Eberle/Paarjarvi? And what else will they have to give up to acquire Bogosian

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#53 Chappy
February 16 2011, 08:01AM
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Racki wrote:

I agree and I think we can buy low... i.e. no hemsky.

TESTIFY!

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#54 dawgtoy
February 16 2011, 08:01AM
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Trade for a stud D, then add a C at the draft. Get some grit July 01st, and we're off and running. If that takes Hemsky....so be it. Now c'mon Steve, make it happen.

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#55 SumOil
February 16 2011, 08:04AM
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Racki wrote:

I agree and I think we can buy low... i.e. no hemsky.

It will be hard to acquire him without giving up anything of significance. I am wishing we get it done without having to give up any of the three musketeers. So that leaves Hemsky, 1st rounder.

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#56 Chappy
February 16 2011, 08:07AM
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@SumOil

Second rounder, Taylor Chorney, a pair of Martin Marincin's socks and Tyler Bunz.

Lock it up.

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#57 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 08:08AM
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It will cost Edmonton at least Hemsky or Penner to get him. If I was going to choose it would be Hemsky, he's the type of player Atlanta is looking for. Also LT you cannot compare Adam Larsson and Zach Bogosian. Zach Bogosian has the potential to be a 1-2 defenseman, were Larsson would be at best a solid 3-4 defenseman. Personally I would trade LINUS OMARK, ANDREW COGLIANO, and Edmonton's 2nd draft pick 2011 for Bogosian, but that's wishful thinking.

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#58 Purves76
February 16 2011, 08:09AM
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Bogosian will be a top 2 pair in the future....maybe is already...Get him here. Whitney-Bogosian Peckham-Gilby Petry-(Plante,Chorney,Marincin...who-ever)still another development year anyways.

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#59 SumOil
February 16 2011, 08:10AM
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@Chappy

mybe we could even dangle the 2012 first rounder

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#60 Chappy
February 16 2011, 08:12AM
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SumOil wrote:

mybe we could even dangle the 2012 first rounder

Okay. You make the phone call. I'll be behind the corner writhing my hands together.

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#61 Purves76
February 16 2011, 08:17AM
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kinnick kinnick wrote:

I think Bogosian is the only player that has come up in the rumors so far that may be worthwhile trading Hemsky for. Hemsky and Smid for Bogosian?

Yup...get Smid out of here while he is'nt conussed/hurt

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#62 Coco crisp
February 16 2011, 08:25AM
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Oh this deal makes so much sense. Hemsky plus smid for bogosian. Why wouldn't the oilers want bogosian. He is perfect for what the oilers need. A young defenseman. I highly doubt mgmt does anything because well, we are the oilers.

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#63 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
February 16 2011, 08:26AM
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With Byfuglien, Enstrom and Oduya ahead of him on the Thrashers depth chart + a win now attitude I can see why Bogosian isn't happy there. He's been a healthy scratch this year and isn't getting the same time on the PP that he did before as well.

Dudley signing Byfuglien to an extension yesterday pretty much solidifies Atlanta's top 2 for the next 3 years. So if there are rumors that Bogosian wants out, I'd believe it.

Atlanta is weak on the right side so Hemsky would be an ideal place to start. Maybe throw in Teddy Peckham as well to see if that will at least have Dudley start the discussion.

Hemsky + Peckham + Pitlick + a pick (2nd or 3rd rounder)

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#64 VMR
February 16 2011, 08:27AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

what do you think the chances are that the Oilers will have to give up one of Hall/Eberle/Paarjarvi? And what else will they have to give up to acquire Bogosian

Those guys are untouchable, wont be involved in any trade unless you were getting a proven star back.

Bogosian may be good but at this point he's an unproven prospect that isnt getting along with his coach, has been a healthy scratch this season and now that they've locked Byfuglien up long term is stuck on the second pairing for the forseeable future.

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#65 SumOil
February 16 2011, 08:30AM
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@VMR

Depends on your definition of second pairing. However, the mad money thrown at byfuglien does mean that they will not be looking to spend a lot in bogosian

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#66 VMR
February 16 2011, 08:30AM
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@OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM

That's an overpayment. I keep Peckham cause without him the Oilers blueline will be incredibly soft. Hemsky + Smid or maybe Hemsky + Chorney + 3rd.

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#67 BUCK75
February 16 2011, 08:31AM
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I'm onboard, but I don't think we will be able to fleece ATL the way we stole the Human Rake out of STL. I would be willing to give up Hemsky, Gagner or Cogliano & a guy like Petry or Plante. Get some picks out of Atlanta too, we could maybe move those at the draft for position or players.

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#68 SumOil
February 16 2011, 08:31AM
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@Chappy

Well if the management makes smart decisions in the off season, that 2012 first rounder will be close to tenth overall. Which means that we still win the trade

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#69 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 08:34AM
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Lets get this done and draft us a center.

This is a premier opportunity for the team.

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#70 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
February 16 2011, 08:38AM
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@VMR

Edit: My rant was deleted so I quit.

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#71 VMR
February 16 2011, 08:47AM
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OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM wrote:

Edit: My rant was deleted so I quit.

Sure but Smid and Peckham are both RFA's at the end of this year I dont think there will be a huge difference in what they end up making.

Hemsky is a much more proven player at a reasonable rate than Bogosian, it'd be crazy to move him and through in a bunch of prospects and draft picks. Bogosian may be good but he could still be a bust as well, he certainly isnt looking to be a 1-2 guy at this point.

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#72 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 08:51AM
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@OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM

Are you crazy or just hung over from last nights win.

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#73 Maverick
February 16 2011, 09:04AM
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It would give the Oilers the 1 or 2 defenseman they need in time, if it doesn't cost too much lets see if they can make it happen. Here is another name I will throw out there that is available; Cam Baker of Minnesota, when he was with Chicago he had potential not sure what has happened to him but 6.03 and 220lbs with a heavy shot 3rd overall pick a few years ago, maybe available. Thoughts??

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#74 Chris.
February 16 2011, 09:06AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Disagree

The early returns are that he is not what the Oil need. If going high trade cost, it needs to be a playmaker D or centre or goalie.

Shea Weber material? Don't think so.

~A large, mobile d-man with a great shot... who needs that?~

I'm sick of the PMD argument: this team already has Whitney, Gilbert, Petry, Chorney... How about just a D? (A horse who can play 25min a night with out breaking down)

No I do not move the lottery pick for Bogosian... but I'd sure move Hemsky for him. If you want to wait and build an entire d-core out of players as good or better than Shea weber you will be waiting a very, very long time...

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#75 BUCK75
February 16 2011, 09:10AM
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@VMR

I think it is more a case that he has been passed on the Depth chart by Byfuglien & Enstrom. After reading what Bob McKenzie wrote, he figures it's more a case that he can't do anything to get him out of the dog house with the coaching staff. Similiar to what Penner was dealing with when MacT was his coach.

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#76 5cups7years
February 16 2011, 09:10AM
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Ovenchicken, Atlanta's management would love you for that trade, they would pretend to think about it in reality they would pull the trigger so fast on that one sided deal.

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#77 Quicksilver ballet
February 16 2011, 09:11AM
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If we could steer them away from Hemsky it would be a bonus. Gagner,Brule and Smid for the Bogeyman.

I already have Hemsky and Penner tied up in other deals, next year is the start of a whole new era.

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#78 madjam
February 16 2011, 09:19AM
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If Bogosian wants out of Atlanta , chances are he may not want here either . Their was talk of Seguin being a possible move from Bruins . How about Hemsky , Penner and our first round pick for Bruins two first round picks , Wheeler and Seguin ?

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#79 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
February 16 2011, 09:22AM
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@derrickhands

Do you think Atlanta is going to trade him away for peanuts? The kid is an RFA at the end of the season so there is no rush to trade him away. Will Pitlick be an elite level center? I'd say his ceiling is a decent two-way second liner, most likely a decent 3rd liner with some size and grit. Will Peckham be much more then a #4/5 on a winning squad? The 2nd or 3rd round pick is likely to be a project player and with Atlanta's past record for scouting I wouldn't be too worried.

Hemsky is the only proven player going to Atlanta and who knows if he even wants to be part of the rebuild here.

Bogosian is a decent sized Right handed dman with a big shot on the point. He plays fairly physical and makes a great first pass out of the zone. Whitney/Bogosian would be a great start to build Edmontons defensive core.

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#80 Chris.
February 16 2011, 09:22AM
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Since we are talking trades: Howsen's Columus squad is only one point behind Chicago in the tight Western Conference playoff race. Word is, Scott may be flushed by his ownership group this summer if he fails to make the playoffs... Could Ryan Johansen be available? Wasn't Ryan was the center being targeted by Stu's staff last draft? Who are we to argue with the Magnificent Bastard?

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#81 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
February 16 2011, 09:24AM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Another defenceman with the habit of asking for trades? And he's only 20? Buyer beware.

Yeah that Jack Johnson is a total bust. amirite

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#82 Chris.
February 16 2011, 09:25AM
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Also: it was sure nice of Hemsky to put on such a big show for the Los Angeles scouts last night.

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#83 madjam
February 16 2011, 09:37AM
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Florida has 3 youngsters Oilers should be interested in trying to obtain in Gudbranson , Howden and Bjugstad . Any ideas of a possible trade here ?

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#84 Dman09
February 16 2011, 09:45AM
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I have some serious concerns about trying to trade for Bogosian. Here is my issue, we are talking about a 20yr old who may be asking for a trade. This early in his career and already asking for a trade because he is unhappy. Doesn't sound like a team player to me sounds more like he care about himself. If hes not willing to accept a role when asked of him I don't think he will be happy anywhere unless the team is willing to bend over every time he wants them to. This to me just seems like another Pronger/Souray situation. But this is just my opinion there may be more to the situation and maybe he isn't that kind of buy but it still makes me hesitant.

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#85 VK63
February 16 2011, 09:49AM
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Interesting fit for the Oil. Id like a one week trial run paired with wreckum, if total mayhem ensued..... do it up.

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#86 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 09:54AM
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An overpayment in the short term is what it will take and it will be worth it.

Hemsky, Smid, prospect(martindale? sell high), pick (2nd or 3rd).

Bogosian would be a fixture on the top pairing for years. His value has never been lower and Atl is desperate for playoffs. Perfect storm.

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#87 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 09:54AM
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@OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM

I would say Pitlick is on that list of untouchables as is Peckham and you want to trade them with Hemsky for a questionable unproven player. Yes he would be a great pick up, but I rather trade Hemsky, Smid and Edmonton's 2nd 2011 pick to Boston for TYLER SEGUIN or Hemsky and Cogs for Bostons 1st (toronto's 1st) and Joe COLBORNE.

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#88 kinnick kinnick
February 16 2011, 10:07AM
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What makes me upset about the whole Hemsky + ? for Bogosian idea is that we should have a good #2 D in the roster as we speak (shall not be named, playing in Hershey). Just such a bad situation and now we may have to trade away the best Oiler through the past ~5 years just to shore up this position again. Sorry, just venting but sometimes I hate the free agent + Edmonton Oilers scenario.

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#89 Maverick
February 16 2011, 10:07AM
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derrickhands wrote:

Would love to have Gudbranson here, and Florida is another team that is in the need of offence. There is a possible trade there, it would be costly though. But Gudbranson is got the potential to be better then any defenseman available in this years draft.

Plus Gudbranson refused to sign his entry level contract that Florida offered him in the fall. Perhaps he doesn't want to play in Florida.

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#90 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 10:08AM
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derrickhands wrote:

I would say Pitlick is on that list of untouchables as is Peckham and you want to trade them with Hemsky for a questionable unproven player. Yes he would be a great pick up, but I rather trade Hemsky, Smid and Edmonton's 2nd 2011 pick to Boston for TYLER SEGUIN or Hemsky and Cogs for Bostons 1st (toronto's 1st) and Joe COLBORNE.

Considering Peckham probably doesn't even crack half the defenses in the league (as is bottom pairing on the 14 others that he does), I'd hardly call him "untouchable".

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#91 kinnick kinnick
February 16 2011, 10:12AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Absolutely correct! We should completely trade our best player and second pairing D for a young player with only a couple years behind him playing in a hockey market that doesn't care. Young studs always love the pressure of playing in Edmonton and rise up to meet it. This strategy was wonderful when we aquired Lupul.

The only reason that Smid is a 2nd pairing D is because he plays for the Oilers. I'm not saying that he has hit his ceiling, I'm just saying what is.

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#92 kinnick kinnick
February 16 2011, 10:16AM
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derrickhands wrote:

I would say Pitlick is on that list of untouchables as is Peckham and you want to trade them with Hemsky for a questionable unproven player. Yes he would be a great pick up, but I rather trade Hemsky, Smid and Edmonton's 2nd 2011 pick to Boston for TYLER SEGUIN or Hemsky and Cogs for Bostons 1st (toronto's 1st) and Joe COLBORNE.

Seems like Boston's latest trade puts that pick out of reach for the Oilers. They may have filled their need for a forward and now only want defense. They may even scoop Bogosian, though I don't know if Atlanta would want to help out Boston.

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#93 Death Metal Nightmare
February 16 2011, 10:17AM
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Sam Gagner, Smid and a pick

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#94 Chris.
February 16 2011, 10:21AM
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I can't believe it's still over 120 HOURS till the trade deadline! This is driving me crazy!

*Edit* 288 HOURS! AAAAAAAAAAUUUUGHHHH!

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#95 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
February 16 2011, 10:26AM
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derrickhands wrote:

I would say Pitlick is on that list of untouchables as is Peckham and you want to trade them with Hemsky for a questionable unproven player. Yes he would be a great pick up, but I rather trade Hemsky, Smid and Edmonton's 2nd 2011 pick to Boston for TYLER SEGUIN or Hemsky and Cogs for Bostons 1st (toronto's 1st) and Joe COLBORNE.

Really? You think Chiarelli would trade Seguin for that? This isn't NHL 11, you have to quit overrating the Oilers players. Do you think the Oilers would trade Hall to Boston for Savard (between concussions), Ference and a low 1st or high 2nd?

Also, Toronto's first would take a huge overpayment. Hemsky and Cogs may not even get Colborne out of Boston.

Pitlick is probably not untouchable as we have prospects such as Lander, Omarra and to a lesser extent Vandevelde. If Pitlick helps you land a guy like Bogosian you do it.

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#96 Hemmertime
February 16 2011, 10:27AM
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I don't see it, Ive only seen Bogosian in a single digit amount of games (6-8 Id say), but the biggest thing he brings to the table is youth. I don't see him as any better than many other older free agents and 30 year olds we can acquire via trade. He could, or even should, get better as time goes but trading your best FW's to get someone who isn't going to be your best D (Whitney) is very risky. Especially a D man that brings little offense to the table - thats way more easily replicated than Hemsky's skill-set.

Lots of people say Hemmers skill-set is replaced by Omark and Gagner if we move him. Omark has 3 goals and looks more like Robert Nilsson than Hemsky most shifts. Sam Gagner is a prospect trending downward - hes iffy to even be a 2nd line producer at best nowadays, the comparisons to Spezza, Damphousse, and Gilmour are all garbage now. Each of those players topped 90 pts by 4th season or sooner. Ol Samwise will be lucky to hit 50.

A "tough" D man isnt something you trade your best player for, its something a competent GM aquires for your team giving up minimal assets. I am hoping Bogosians age doesn't throw up blinders to logical moves. Last thing we need is a 20 year old with a bad enough attitude to make it known he wants to move teams. He will absolutely LOVE going to a last place team.

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#97 sizzler
February 16 2011, 10:30AM
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Gagner for Bogosian.

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#98 Hemmertime
February 16 2011, 10:31AM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

Sam Gagner, Smid and a pick

x 10 props, This is a logical proposal. A pick, not THE pick. :)

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#99 JAA
February 16 2011, 10:31AM
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And, last but not least, Mr. Ales Hemsky. This is the second time I've mentioned that a Hemsky deal is very close, and it does seem a bit odd coming from an Ottawa Senators blogger, but I'm pretty confident in saying that both Los Angeles and Pittsburgh have made sizable offers and remain the lead dogs in this race. The Kings have been especially forthright about acquiring Hemsky, desperate for some help on the wings and playmaking ability in the offensive end.

Apparently, the Kings are more than willing to give up Wayne Simmonds as part of a multi-player/pick deal with Edmonton, but the Oilers are very interested in two things: First, the first round draft pick that Los Angeles holds. Second, Brayden Schenn, who has become the prized possession of the Kings' farm system.

The Kings love Schenn, but if it meant bringing in a proven commodity like Ales Hemsky who could completely revitalize a stagnant offense, would Lombardi pull the trigger? Have to imagine the pressure is mounting after each big-named player heads to another destination, and perhaps the two sides can come to terms. One thing's for sure: Steve Tambellini is swinging for the fences.

Travis Yost Ottawa Senators Blogger

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#100 Chris.
February 16 2011, 10:33AM
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@Lowetide

Hey LT. You made reference on your other site that calling up Chorney (say as opposed to... I dunno: Petiot) is a really "interesting decision."

Do you think maybe Toonces is showcasing Chorney?

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