Trade Target: Bogosian

Lowetide
February 16 2011 07:26AM

This is Zach Bogosian. 20-years old, he plays the toughest opposition available, has size and can handle himself. And he might be available.
 

Nick Kypreos has connections and a twitter account, plus he's an NHL Insider. When he tweets:

  • "Bogosian hasn't officially asked to be traded but it's been noted he's not happy and would like change of scenery by next season."

I start thinking about ways to get him on the roster. Nothing against Adam Larsson, but if the Oilers take him with their lottery pick this summer it will be followed by at least two or three years of development. Defensemen develop by sundial, history tells us that much. Bogosian's growing pains are already well underway and a true defenseman is coming out the other side.

How good is Bogosian? Well his boxcars this season (47gp, 4-7-11 -16)  aren't spectacular but he's not a one trick pony either. What does he do? He handles the heavy lifting in Atlanta, as this chart shows (chart here) and if he's available the Oilers have to take a look at it. imo.

I'm not suggesting the Oilers trade their lottery pick for Bogosian, but a package of picks and players might be enough to pry him from the Thrashers. 6.03, 205 and his scouting report shines:

  • Has great mobility. Owns a huge shot from the point and sound offensive ability. Is very aggressive and capable of shutting down opposing forwards.

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#101 Dman09
February 16 2011, 10:37AM
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@Hemmertime

In all fairness to Sam and Omark and the guys you were cutting down, you cannot predict a players career based off of one season especially on a bad team in the beginning of a rebuild. Spezza and Damphousse, you might want to have a look at the teams they were playing on in their fourth years. They were far better overall then Edmonton is which makes it easier for them to hit those numbers.

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#102 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 10:42AM
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kinnick kinnick wrote:

Seems like Boston's latest trade puts that pick out of reach for the Oilers. They may have filled their need for a forward and now only want defense. They may even scoop Bogosian, though I don't know if Atlanta would want to help out Boston.

I believe Boston is in the market for a top 6 winger, and they overloader with Centerman. Which means either Seguin is going to sit (because of the trade for Chris Kelly) or sent down to the Juniors. Also I don't believe Boston's scouts were in the stands last night to see any of our defenseman.

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#103 GRW
February 16 2011, 10:44AM
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kinnick kinnick wrote:

I think Bogosian is the only player that has come up in the rumors so far that may be worthwhile trading Hemsky for. Hemsky and Smid for Bogosian?

bettor yet Hemmer&gibles

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#104 Hemmertime
February 16 2011, 10:47AM
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Dman09 wrote:

In all fairness to Sam and Omark and the guys you were cutting down, you cannot predict a players career based off of one season especially on a bad team in the beginning of a rebuild. Spezza and Damphousse, you might want to have a look at the teams they were playing on in their fourth years. They were far better overall then Edmonton is which makes it easier for them to hit those numbers.

Flip side of that, on far better teams they get less opportunity and minutes. Damphousse had the great Gary Leeman, Ed Olczyk, Daniel Marois, and Marc Osbourne to pad his stats... ya... the 58 pts in 111 games he put up after being moved from Damphousse's wing really showcase his talents. Sergei Makarov and Joe Mullen were on Gilmours wings. Spezza you can argue was the third best player on his line. So maybe Gags is more like Spezza. Omark was not compared to those guys. Was compared to Robert Nilsson, I love Omark but hes played less than 30 nhl games and has 3 goals. Not the basket to put your eggs in.

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#105 FastOil
February 16 2011, 10:51AM
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Hemsky is worth Bogosian straight up. If he had a better bill of health there would be more coming our way. Hemsky is an established veteran (still young with a year left on a good contract) and Bogosian is still developing and is RFA after the season.

That deal is absolutely worth it, leaving the first to get a proper sized centreman other than Horcoff.

Just as the Flames built a team to try to contend with the Oilers at their peak, rebuilding the Oilers now must be done with an eye to who they will have to defeat to win the Cup. It's the point of the whole process.

Having some quality physical defencemen is key to becoming a harder team to play against. Smid is trying, but I don't think it's his natural game and it's getting him hurt a lot.

Even if Couturier isn't a superstar, he plays two ways, and well at even strength, is good at face offs, and has the size to handle the multiple good big centres we will have to beat to get anywhere in the playoffs - Toews, Kopitar, Duchene, and all the guys in the east.

As good as Gagner is I still don't see him beating guys 20-30 pounds heavier, faster and just as hockey smart. He doesn't own having "vision" and hockey IQ. And asking him to play big I think will lead him to injuries with his size disadvantage - it's not his game. If he's staying, use him where he can be most effective.

I also think that asking players to play too far outside of their natural style of game that got them to the NHL is partially leading to the injuries.

Smid for eg. tries play tough, but keeps getting hurt. Players learn to play a certain way in junior or wherever, part of which is how to be effective enough to get drafted, and also to play at a high level and not get hurt. When they then are asked to play differently in the bigs (often more physically or to fight), it seems they don't have the instincts of positioning against opponents and take awkward hits, or hit their heads against the boards or glass during contact. Or get punched out.

Asking Gagner to play a more physical game (against those big centres) I think will lead him to injuries with his size disadvantage - it's not his game. I think it's best to acquire players that play the style of game you want and have the tools, instead of trying to change players into a role they don't suit.

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#106 Hemmertime
February 16 2011, 10:58AM
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@CSimpson18

Comparing a 2006 Lupul and Bogosian as both young players with chips on their shoulders is completely fair. Unless you think Lupul isnt a douche (oh he so totally is). The fact a 20 yr old wants out and its known is a big strike against that player in my mind. The fact the Oilers are losers is also not going to help that.

They have completely different playstyles, but both went in the top 10 in draft. Both have less than 3 years before coming to the Oilers - if the trade is done - both have personality questions. Both would come in under intense pressure after the Oilers traded elite talent for them.

I think even after shaking my head its fair.

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#107 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 11:05AM
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OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM wrote:

Really? You think Chiarelli would trade Seguin for that? This isn't NHL 11, you have to quit overrating the Oilers players. Do you think the Oilers would trade Hall to Boston for Savard (between concussions), Ference and a low 1st or high 2nd?

Also, Toronto's first would take a huge overpayment. Hemsky and Cogs may not even get Colborne out of Boston.

Pitlick is probably not untouchable as we have prospects such as Lander, Omarra and to a lesser extent Vandevelde. If Pitlick helps you land a guy like Bogosian you do it.

Let see Pitlick is a big fast Centerman, great hands and skill, that's willing to hit and muck it up, then you have Colborne who's OK skater, with great hands and skill, but is soft. I think I take Pitlick any day before I would touch Colborne, also Pitlick is 2 years younger. Also you cannot compare Lander, Omarra and VandeVelde with Pitlick, because the first 3 are projected 3rd line players and Pitlick is projected as a solid 2nd line player. Watch a Tigers game and you will see that Pitlick is the real deal.

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#108 michael
February 16 2011, 11:05AM
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The Thrashers "have to" make the playoffs. They are dying down there. The fan base is nonexistent. They need something to grab the attention of the local market. The Falcons, Braves, the Hawks, Nascar and the college teams all are ahead of the Thrashers. This is a team that will eventually move to somewhere else. It is unlikely that they will be able to survive much longer in that market. By making the playoffs the Thrashers will ensure that the value of the franchise when sold is equal to or not more than what they paid for the team. Bogosian can see the writing on the wall. It says "Dustin Byflugian signs 5 year extension". If I am Bogosian I am asking myself this" Where do I fit". The answer is.you don't. The Oilers would do well to kick the tires and see what the asking price is for Bogosian. The Oilers are not going to draft Larsson. They need a center for Hall and Eberle. They need a dman but will either find him in thier organization(Maricini) or will trade or sign through free agency to get one. I think Bogosian for Sam Gagne and Smid and pick sounds fair and reasonable.

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#109 Hemmertime
February 16 2011, 11:07AM
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@CSimpson18

Also, Why are you and everyone planning on huge raises for Hall Paajarvi and Eberle and trading 2 years ahead of time to keep space for their contracts?

If we have salary problems because our rookies turned into good players THAT IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. Chicago won the cup and had to dump 11 players. I guess they should have dumped 6 of those 11 ahead of time to keep the other 5. Who cares if they dont win the cup last year, its salary for next year if someone they draft becomes good! Or they still have Byfuglien

Keep a little salary available, but dont base trading top players on the possibility that all 3 of your rookies command over 5 mil a season. For one, not going to happen. Two, when it doesnt happen we're still dead last because we've dealt away any proven NHL players and no one will sign since we suck - with a couple decent rookies (sound like a few years ago?) Finally, if all 3 do require big raises, trade one or someone else. Chicago did all right even though all GM's knew they were in a bind.

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#110 Steve Smith
February 16 2011, 11:09AM
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SumOil wrote:

What?? Dude go ahead and check out behindthenet stats for all defensemen. Gilbert is worth his cap hit.

Do you come here often?

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#111 VMR
February 16 2011, 11:09AM
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@JAA

Top notch source there, a blogger on HockeyBuzz. Yikes!! At least it wasnt Eklund.

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#112 kinnick kinnick
February 16 2011, 11:16AM
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Apparently Souray didn't play last night, upper body injury.

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2011/02/hershey_bears_beat_norfolk_adm_3.html

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#113 Dman09
February 16 2011, 11:18AM
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@michael

It is still a possibility that Edm could try and trade for another top draft pick or take a bit lower one and then try and move on draft day. Its possible to get a centre, I'd prefer Sean because of his size especially for the current Edm team, and a defenseman.

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#114 jake
February 16 2011, 11:30AM
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Why is Bogosian unhappy in Atlanta? That's the first thing I need to know as a GM.

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#115 Dan the Man
February 16 2011, 11:34AM
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After losing Kovalchuck I think Atlanta would likely want a trade that they could sell to their fans in any deal involving Bogosian so I think Hemsky would fit that bill.

He's an established player that would help them now as opposed to someone who may help them in a few years, although the Oil may need to include a prospect to get this deal done.

I say if it's there do it!

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#116 OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM
February 16 2011, 11:37AM
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@derrickhands

You do realize that I never once said that I would take Colborne over Pitlick right? The reason I put Pitlick into my original proposal was because he is a valuable prospect that might be what it takes to get Bogosian. You may think that you can trade the injury prone Smid and Hemsky for gold, but that's a good reason why it will never happen. The precedent has been set pretty high thanks to Ottawa. If you want someone good by this deadline it's going to cost you.

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#117 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 11:38AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

Also, Why are you and everyone planning on huge raises for Hall Paajarvi and Eberle and trading 2 years ahead of time to keep space for their contracts?

If we have salary problems because our rookies turned into good players THAT IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. Chicago won the cup and had to dump 11 players. I guess they should have dumped 6 of those 11 ahead of time to keep the other 5. Who cares if they dont win the cup last year, its salary for next year if someone they draft becomes good! Or they still have Byfuglien

Keep a little salary available, but dont base trading top players on the possibility that all 3 of your rookies command over 5 mil a season. For one, not going to happen. Two, when it doesnt happen we're still dead last because we've dealt away any proven NHL players and no one will sign since we suck - with a couple decent rookies (sound like a few years ago?) Finally, if all 3 do require big raises, trade one or someone else. Chicago did all right even though all GM's knew they were in a bind.

Look at the evidence(try btn) and tell me Lupul and Bogosian should even be mentioned in the same breath. Draft position has nothing to do with my comment. Hall and Eberle will get raises to something like 5.5 for Hall and 4.5 for Eberle, maybe more maybe less. PRV is more of a question mark because a forward has to produce and he hasn't YET(he will).

Having cap problems because management is as short sighted as "some" fans is not a good problem. Having 8 good forwards and no good defensemen is not a good problem. Deal from a position of strength to address a position of weakness.

If the return guarantees you 6 years of control over a very solid asset rather than 1 year, how is that not a clear victory? You think the 2014 oilers are more likely to win the cup with Hemsky than they are with a 24 year old Bogosian? Really? Hint-you're wrong.

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#118 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 11:54AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

Look at the evidence(try btn) and tell me Lupul and Bogosian should even be mentioned in the same breath. Draft position has nothing to do with my comment. Hall and Eberle will get raises to something like 5.5 for Hall and 4.5 for Eberle, maybe more maybe less. PRV is more of a question mark because a forward has to produce and he hasn't YET(he will).

Having cap problems because management is as short sighted as "some" fans is not a good problem. Having 8 good forwards and no good defensemen is not a good problem. Deal from a position of strength to address a position of weakness.

If the return guarantees you 6 years of control over a very solid asset rather than 1 year, how is that not a clear victory? You think the 2014 oilers are more likely to win the cup with Hemsky than they are with a 24 year old Bogosian? Really? Hint-you're wrong.

Well in 2014 Hemsky will still be in his prime while Bogosian will likley still have some "young Dman struggles"

If you are talking 2018 Oilers however....

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#119 The Beaker
February 16 2011, 11:56AM
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Question:

If an injury riddled Pittsburg, or "trying to breach the bubble" teams like the kings or thrashers want Hemsky (or any purchase to help them get over the hump) Why wait until the deadline? Maybe my logic doesn't make sense in the hockey world but realistically if you are trading for a player like Hemsky to make a push wouldnt the extra games that player will help you prior to deadline day be that much more valuable? Why not get it done sooner than later (for both sides)?

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#120 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 11:58AM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

Well in 2014 Hemsky will still be in his prime while Bogosian will likley still have some "young Dman struggles"

If you are talking 2018 Oilers however....

32 year old Hemsky, in his prime? Not so sure on that. Forwards peak 25-29.

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#121 Quicksilver ballet
February 16 2011, 11:59AM
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If Gudbranson doesn't sign by a certain date, he becomes part of the 2011 entry draft doesn't he?

Have to think Tallon does all he can to trade him rather than take that compensatory pick from the league. Like to see the Oilers get another shot at him, be great to have another tough sombeach on the blueline.

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#122 Mouse
February 16 2011, 12:01PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Question:

If an injury riddled Pittsburg, or "trying to breach the bubble" teams like the kings or thrashers want Hemsky (or any purchase to help them get over the hump) Why wait until the deadline? Maybe my logic doesn't make sense in the hockey world but realistically if you are trading for a player like Hemsky to make a push wouldnt the extra games that player will help you prior to deadline day be that much more valuable? Why not get it done sooner than later (for both sides)?

Usually only reason to wait is for salary cap reasons. If you don't have them and can afford the extra salary, then teams usually make moves earlier.

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#123 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 12:02PM
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OvenChicken8 - Team JSBM wrote:

You do realize that I never once said that I would take Colborne over Pitlick right? The reason I put Pitlick into my original proposal was because he is a valuable prospect that might be what it takes to get Bogosian. You may think that you can trade the injury prone Smid and Hemsky for gold, but that's a good reason why it will never happen. The precedent has been set pretty high thanks to Ottawa. If you want someone good by this deadline it's going to cost you.

You said that it would take a lot more then Hemsky and Cogs just to get Colborne. Also right now Boston is under pressure to win the cup and a lot of fans are not please with Seguin's play. Since you've place so much value on Colborne, why keep Seguin. Alot of Boston fans consider Seguin a bust and are not willing to wait for his development. Hemsky could win Boston that cup, that why I think the trade is possible, especially after last nights game.

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#124 The Beaker
February 16 2011, 12:04PM
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@Mouse

Thanks, makes sense. So then when is their next pay period? Is it on trade deadline day? BTW I cant wait, the suspense (and all the guesswork) is killing me.

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#125 derrickhands
February 16 2011, 12:07PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If Gudbranson doesn't sign by a certain date, he becomes part of the 2011 entry draft doesn't he?

Have to think Tallon does all he can to trade him rather than take that compensatory pick from the league. Like to see the Oilers get another shot at him, be great to have another tough sombeach on the blueline.

It would be the 2012 draft

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#126 risto
February 16 2011, 12:11PM
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@Hemmertime

My thoughts exactly. Trading your best player for young potential? Even Klowe has seen the light on what will be his defining GM moment (despite the Smyth/end-of-an-era debacle on Messier jersey retirement night)

When did Hemsky's value plummet in everyone's mind?

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#127 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 12:12PM
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derrickhands wrote:

You said that it would take a lot more then Hemsky and Cogs just to get Colborne. Also right now Boston is under pressure to win the cup and a lot of fans are not please with Seguin's play. Since you've place so much value on Colborne, why keep Seguin. Alot of Boston fans consider Seguin a bust and are not willing to wait for his development. Hemsky could win Boston that cup, that why I think the trade is possible, especially after last nights game.

Seguin a bust? Give me a break...

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#128 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 12:20PM
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Steve Smith wrote:

In fairness, he didn't say that Seguin was a bust, he said that "Alot [sic] of Boston fans consider Seguin a bust". Since I see no reason to assume that Boston fans are smarter than Edmonton fans, I have no trouble believing that that's true.

I don't even believe that about bruin fans. Unless your sample consists of Damien Cox and his family, or maybe a kindergarten class.

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#129 madjam
February 16 2011, 12:31PM
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St. Louis has more good youthfull prospect talent than they know what to do with , but are low on veteran talent . They might be our best trade option if Hemsky , Horcoff or Penner available . L.A. same predicament as St. Louie with far too many good young talents on the prospect side of things . However , L.A . has far more veteran presence than St.Louie .

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#130 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 16 2011, 12:32PM
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jadeddog wrote:

this post echoes my thoughts exactly.... bogosian is a tough, stay at home dman, sure... hell, he might even be a *good* tough, stay at home dman in a few years (he's not good right now by any means)... but these are the types of players you fill out your roster with - guys you pick up in the 2nd round... guys like peckham in a few years

you DO NOT trade career 0.8 PPG forwards who are 28 years old for these types of players (hemsky)... i don't run away from a hemsky for bogosian deal, i run away screaming at the top of my lungs and waving my arms

I look forward to what people like yourself say if/when he walks for nothing, or is extended and spends 40 games/year on the DL.

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#131 Quicksilver ballet
February 16 2011, 12:34PM
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Milli wrote:

I am curious how Gagner is trending downward....

So far, he's only taking his lumps here, it usually takes the Oilers organization a year to catch up to the Oilersnation boards.

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#132 Bryzarro World
February 16 2011, 12:35PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

On this team he is untouchable. Do we have what he brings anywhere else in the system? Nope

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#133 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 12:45PM
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Some commenters are miscasting Bogo as a defensive defenseman. He'd be our second best offensive weapon on the back end after Whitney. He's behind Byfuglien and Enstrom, getting little PP time, playing with the dregs and starting in his own zone 57% of his shifts.

In 2008-09 he was on pace for 16 goals. He's not Lidstrom but neither is he Volchenkov. Best case scenario? Shea Weber. edit- Not saying he'll be Weber but 90% of Shea MFin Weber is still a hell of a player.

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#134 ogog
February 16 2011, 12:55PM
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@CSimpson18

If hemsky stopped using a g-dam field hockey stick he might have broken 30 goals, it's all those years of roller hockey, he refuses to use a real stick because he can't toe-drag at 100mph with a real blade. I've used one of his stick before in beer league, it's so light, it turned my stone-hands into the best deker out there, but the puck kept hopping over my blade, and i couldn't shoot. My passing was unreal tho

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#135 db7db7db7
February 16 2011, 01:22PM
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I know this might seem sort of out there, but, I think the Oil should attempt to trade for Arnott. I'm not sure what we would need to give up for him, but a couple months of him showing the kids how to win faceoffs would probably be worth say Brule. Remember how quick the rest of the team's faceoff % improved when we brought in Peca at the deadline. Who knows, we might even be able to resign him in the off-season for cheap. I'm sure Lou would be happy to clear the cap space.

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#136 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 01:27PM
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@chartleys

@ Chartleys

So you woudln't give up 100 games of Hemsky(in a time when Edmonton doesn't need to win) and a #4 dman for around 400 games of Bogosian? That seems like bad asset management for a team that doesn't expect to make the playoffs for 2 years. Or maybe we have very different expectations for Bogo.

Also Hemsky's low cap number is pretty much meaningless to Edmonton if they plan on keeping him. Edmonton has tons of caproom that they don't need for the next 100 games. His contract is NOT a reason for edmonton to keep him, only for others to want him more.

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#137 Diamond
February 16 2011, 01:28PM
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I know he is injured but is Parise untouchable in Jersey ? Man would he look good in Oiler silks. Just Dreaming.

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#138 Matt Henderson
February 16 2011, 01:30PM
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I really do not like Bogosian. He has trended downwards every year he's played (offensively) and it seems like he isn't ready for the high end opposition that's been eating him up this year.

That's not to say he won't develop into the guy that people thought he would be, he's 20 after all, but I don't think it's a lock either.

For me it all comes down to cost. If I have to give up my best veteran player who is still under contract for next year PLUS more then it's a no go.

Hemsky can likely net a few prospects with less pedigree but who are just as likely to become the guys that Bogosian isn't yet either.

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#139 madjam
February 16 2011, 01:31PM
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Oilers still have to get contract numbers down ,as well as contracts they have that strap them to many players they can't get anyone else to take over any route . Until they tackle those problems first , there is little if anything they can productively do to make base any better than it is now or down the road . Sizewise and waiver wire we are also strapped by same dilemmas . Clear up the space and open up the marketplace - then maybe we can talk about a proper rebuild . As it is, it can't happen . How many more years are we going to waste with this rebuild by not addressing our major problems , and how much of a decent core will be left ?

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#140 chartleys
February 16 2011, 01:35PM
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@csimpson

You seem to forget that we are not the team pushing for a deal. We are the sellers. The buyers are those teams that are willing to convert future potential into present. This comes at a price.

We are not dealing UFA's here. We are dealing a 1st line winger for the playoff push and another entire year. His value is pretty huge atm. You cannot go on the UFA market and sign Hemsky anywhere near his current pay grade.

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#141 Bucky9
February 16 2011, 01:37PM
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LT, is your radio spot up on the site yet? I can't seem to find it.....great post btw. I am with the common sentiment of if bogo is available get him, but he penner or hemmer. Zona over at copper n' blue makes a case for weiss as well, which I would have no issue seeing either of those players in Oiler silks. Have to be a heck of a package to get'em both though....

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#142 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 01:37PM
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@Matt Henderson

First off, we disagree on Bogosian's current play and his potential going forward. I will concede that he's not a lock but he's already pretty darn good.

Second off, who out there fits your "just as likely to become the guys Bogosian isn't yet either"? Forbort Voynov etc don't fit that bill. Where do you see the kind of certainty in development that you've implied, much less getting "a few" of them for Hemsky?

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#143 chartleys
February 16 2011, 01:38PM
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Also,

Thanks for explaining that we have cap room. Not sure why this was needed but thanks...

His cap hit is nowhere near meaningless. Rather than taking say a Spezza I can have Hemsky and another ~3+ million dollar contract and be under the cap next season. That is huge value.

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#144 Coco Crsip
February 16 2011, 01:41PM
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Trade Hemmer, bury smid somewhere in that deal too. Bogosian is worth it. We have to draft a defensemen like Ryan Murphy - (Kitchener Rangers.) He would fit in beautifully here. Also, there is no doubt in my mind that we are drafting Couturier(He had a Hatty last night) I also think guys like Lander, Pitlick, Hamilton, Hartikinan have a shot...

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#145 Dman09
February 16 2011, 01:44PM
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@madjam

There was a tweet from a NHL executive today that stated Tambo was actively seeking Bogo and that either Penner or Hemsky were part of the deal. They obviously each have something the other wants now its just about the extras to finalize things. However, I think there is a slim chance of it happening because both sides think their players deserve more in return. I can't see Bogo being worth more than Hemsky right now but that's just me. Chances are Tambo would have to be on the short end and I don't think he's willing to do that.

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#146 CSimpson18
February 16 2011, 01:46PM
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@chartleys

While it's true that we aren't desperate to move Hemsky there's also a window for getting a great return, and it's closing. Hemsky's value is high right now and Edmonton is holding all the cards, but there also would be a bidding war if Bogo is actually available.

A team will have to beat LA's (hypothetical) Voynov+1st offer for Hemsky just the same as we would have to beat Boston's (hypothetical) Tor 1st + Colborne/Wheeler for Bogosian offer.

We can afford to refuse to overpay for one of the guys we really want(say bogo or BSchenn) but I'd rather suck it up and give up an extra asset, which have in spades anyway. There comes a time in a rebuild when you have to cash 20 nickels for a dollar bill. As for your second comment, do you think Edmonton will spend to the cap next year? Do you think they'll bring in high dollar UFAs for what will inevitably a 15-25 finish? Your theory is only true if that cap room will be better used for something else, which it likely won't.

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#147 chartleys
February 16 2011, 01:49PM
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I honestly have a tough time trying to come up with an exact package for a deal with the bruins. We have the pieces to essentially make them a huge favorite coming out of the East for the next two years just not sure on the appropriate value I'd expect in return.

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#148 Coco Crsip
February 16 2011, 01:55PM
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Any one notice that Tyler Bunz is second in the WHL right now... Thought i would point that out.

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#149 chartleys
February 16 2011, 02:05PM
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Csimpson

See I would love to see a bit of the opposite happen here. We have the cap room to get our house in order. I don't see the point to just dredging for another 2-3 years stockpiling more assests. I don't see the point really. I am ok cashing our chips with Penner and Hemsky to put pieces in play that are NHL capable (like Bogs) but I would prefer if that was followed by 1 to 2 year over pay contracts to fill out the roster and start moving forward. Collecting assets isn't neccesarily a bad move but that is something the calgary flames of the world are now starting. We have been at it for 5 years and need to make sure we are starting to head into the other side of the bell curve. Other than tolerating incompetent management, there isn't really a solid reason I can see to make zero effort to start turning things around a bit.

i can't imagine listening to Dithers talk about winning and not wanting to stand up and spit in his face. It's beyond asinine for him to be demanding effort and compete when he's done his damndest to handicap this roster and essentially that was acknowledged fact going into the year.

Dithers says: "now that we are assured a pick in the range we want, you guys should give 100% effort to end this now meaningless season."

I say: "fu buddy"

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#150 Dman09
February 16 2011, 02:14PM
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@Mark

Now that is a trade that I like, I think they would want hemsky a D man and a winger. I like the 1st round pick with Bogo. Could use ATL first pick and a low pick or a prospect at draft day to move up into a top 5 or 6 pick. That might make it possible to get a centre and a D man.

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