Hemmer!!

Lowetide
February 18 2011 07:49AM

This is Ales Hemsky. Despite clear and obvious skills, he is another player that leaves the fanbase divided. Some see him as an electric offensive talent, others see him as a turnover machine whose plodding decision making impacts every powerplay.
 

Oilers Nation has done this forever, by the way. I well remember Paul Coffey hearing the boobirds at Northlands in a game he was dominating against Chicago and Murray Bannerman. Slats had just gone public about money and contract, with the smooth skating offensive defenseman becoming public enemy number one on a team so talented observers were spoiled at puck drop.

People used to call Hemsky "no balls" (actually it was Kyle Woodlief from Redline report) but that bias is long gone and any fool can see #83 is fearless to the point of routinely putting himself in real danger. His list of injuries reflect that tendency to take on challenges that a lesser man would avoid at all costs.

The Oilers powerplay is addled, it's been that way since Hemsky arrived (with some exceptions). I tend to blame the coaching staff but do understand that we as fans point the finger at the most talented offensive players. I sometimes think that PP failure--along with the turnovers at the opposition blue--are the real reasons so many people are anti-Hemsky.

Hemsky's 5x5 numbers (equal strength) have always been a strength:

  • 06-07 5x5 per 60m: 2.09
  • 07-08 5x5 per 60m: 2.36
  • 08-09 5x5 per 60m: 2.08
  • 09-10 5x5 per 60m: 2.85

  • 10-11 5x5 per 60m: 3.08

That number--the 10-11 number, ranks him 5th in the entire league. The chart is here. My thanks to Oiler Mag for pointing it out.

If Steve Tambellini does trade Hemsky, he needs to get exceptional value in return.

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#151 David S
February 18 2011, 09:18PM
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If Steve Tambellini does trade Hemsky, he needs to get exceptional value in return.

Therefore Brayden Schenn/unknown lottery pick ≠ Ales Hemsky

Unless said trade option looks every bit as solid as Taylor Hall did last year. And if that were the case, no GM in his right mind would give him up.

Does Ales Hemsky getting a team that much farther in the playoffs override a sure star player in a couple of year that might take you to the finals? I dunno.

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#152 Dennis
February 18 2011, 09:33PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I don't know what you're getting at with this.

I mean you defended Lowe for the Pronger trade but even he has admitted he made a mistake in that regard.

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#153 Hungry Hippo
February 18 2011, 09:33PM
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Hemsky is an asset. He is talented and not afraid to play in traffic. He's an impact player. However, he's at his peak and this team is rebuilding so, if possible, trade him for prospects with potential and/or higher picks (don't be unreasonable and think you're getting something in the top 5). I believe that, due to the current parity, 5 or so contending teams would be interested in making such a trade.

We become attached to our cars and often think in the later years when imperfections start to surface that we should sell. We keep Betsy another year and then one morning she's a changed beast. Consequently, the brother-in-law gets it for a few hundred bucks.

Hemsky is a depreciating asset. Find and make a suitable trade!

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#154 Peterborough
February 18 2011, 09:51PM
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Hungry Hippo wrote:

Hemsky is an asset. He is talented and not afraid to play in traffic. He's an impact player. However, he's at his peak and this team is rebuilding so, if possible, trade him for prospects with potential and/or higher picks (don't be unreasonable and think you're getting something in the top 5). I believe that, due to the current parity, 5 or so contending teams would be interested in making such a trade.

We become attached to our cars and often think in the later years when imperfections start to surface that we should sell. We keep Betsy another year and then one morning she's a changed beast. Consequently, the brother-in-law gets it for a few hundred bucks.

Hemsky is a depreciating asset. Find and make a suitable trade!

I think his value is crazy high right now some teams really need the playoff revenue to stay solvent and have been given instuctions to win now I'm not LA is quite there but they have a rebuilt relationship with there fans might very well have to do something to show them they are commited to winning and not in forever rebuild mode. But they are not alone in feeling a real need to suceed now and there will be over payments made and probably more later than sooner.

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#155 David S
February 18 2011, 10:14PM
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They're all depreciating assets! Trade 'em all I say! Booowah-ha-ha-ha-ha!

*Runs around in small circles before smashing forehead against wall*

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#156 DimebagDave
February 18 2011, 10:25PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

You know what guy, you twist whatever however you want, my original post was that you are a moron for even insinuating he may not have thought about finding out the players thoughts on staying and I still have not heard anything to change my mind. Now in your reply please split this post into 4 or 5 parts and try to make yourself sound much more intelligent than I.

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#157 TigerUnderGlass
February 18 2011, 11:28PM
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DimebagDave wrote:

You know what guy, you twist whatever however you want, my original post was that you are a moron for even insinuating he may not have thought about finding out the players thoughts on staying and I still have not heard anything to change my mind. Now in your reply please split this post into 4 or 5 parts and try to make yourself sound much more intelligent than I.

Sure "guy" whatever you want.

1. Woo-hoo, back to the name calling. Brilliant.

2. I don't need to try.

3. I split my comments up for your benefit. I thought I should do what I can to help you follow along.

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#158 RossCreekNation
February 19 2011, 12:12AM
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OMG!

Courtesy Jeremy Rutherford...

The Blues have traded Erik Johnson and Jay McClement to Colorado for Stewart and Shattenkirk. Draft picks also included.

If the Oilers had a shot at Johnson or Stewart, they missed the boat BIG time.

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#159 TonyT
February 19 2011, 12:20AM
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@RossCreekNation

Tambo is either the world's most patient retard or his genius is on a whole 'nother level...one day decades from now we'll all look back and have a laugh on how Tambo "rebuilt" the Mighty Oil...

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#160 Hemmertime
February 19 2011, 01:41AM
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I've been thinking. Screw the return for Hemmer. You dont trade him. You dont trade him for Hall, Eberle and our other rookies. They will inevitably slump, and having Hemmer there to cushion the offensive blow and take a tonne of the pressure off is worth the potential lessening of the return by waiting until next years deadline. Plus, we may re-sign him then.

Unless its Schenn + 1st + 2nd

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#161 Peterborough
February 19 2011, 02:12AM
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Hemmertime wrote:

I've been thinking. Screw the return for Hemmer. You dont trade him. You dont trade him for Hall, Eberle and our other rookies. They will inevitably slump, and having Hemmer there to cushion the offensive blow and take a tonne of the pressure off is worth the potential lessening of the return by waiting until next years deadline. Plus, we may re-sign him then.

Unless its Schenn + 1st + 2nd

I'm of a like mind I don't think LA gives up shenn but they don't have anything other than Bernier and they won't give him tous unless a brick fall on monkey's fly out of my bum!

but I would prefer:

Hemsky and Jones for Shenn and Forbort and maybe we take Zeus' contract off them to give them more cap room for more peices.

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#162 Ales
February 19 2011, 03:04AM
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Hartikainen looked like a real prospect tonight in Calgary. Did anyone actually watch the Oilers prospects tonight?

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#163 pelhem grenville
February 19 2011, 05:07AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

OMG!

Courtesy Jeremy Rutherford...

The Blues have traded Erik Johnson and Jay McClement to Colorado for Stewart and Shattenkirk. Draft picks also included.

If the Oilers had a shot at Johnson or Stewart, they missed the boat BIG time.

AND Tony T said"...Tambo is either the world's most patient retard or his genius is on a whole 'nother level...one day decades from now we'll all look back and have a laugh on how Tambo "rebuilt" the Mighty Oil..."

retard or genius...that IS the question...i've wondered just how much of an oaf this GM of ours is and now i think maybe he's so much more of an abysmal failure than anything... o m g & w t f is understating the way this will be perceived 'round the fanbase and here ...can our GM be so asleep at the switch as to miss the availability of the 2006 FIRST OVERALL draft Dman or will we be privy to how Johnson wasn't coming here for any number of reasons through yet another award winning episode of Oil Change...subtitled privately by our GM "How Else Can I Stall The Assessment Process Without Even Trying".... is there something we don't know about THIS PIECE [johnson] we desperately need to 'move forward'? ...or is our GM really a genius?

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#164 Oilcruzer
February 19 2011, 06:12AM
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Erik is good but not number one good.

You would think lot of teams could have used him. Like 75% of the league. Now consider that Eric Brewer was picked up before him.???

There must be a downside because people are saying St Loo won this.

Would you give up Eberle and Marincin for what St Loo gave up? I wouldn't.

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#165 pelhem grenville
February 19 2011, 06:21AM
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no OC i wouldn't give those up BUT even if Johnson's not a #1 the AVS get fleeced on this trade?

So there's a secret 'downside' about Johnson that no one knows about? The intrigue is killing me ... could he be... omg...

'soft'?...like Gilbert 'soft'???????????

this trade still pisses me off...and what would you give up for him?

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#166 Oilcruzer
February 19 2011, 06:29AM
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@pelhem grenville

Gagner or cogs and next years first

He has too much potential.

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#167 pelhem grenville
February 19 2011, 06:43AM
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gremlins all around ...trying to post a comment and it disappears then reappears...crap!

so...i'll try this

89 OR 13 and oh twelves' pick ?

seems cheap for what appears to be an expensive commodity...

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#168 pelhem grenville
February 19 2011, 06:45AM
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Oilcruzer wrote:

Gagner or cogs and next years first

He has too much potential.

OC...can U 'splain 'too much potential'

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#169 pelhem grenville
February 19 2011, 06:55AM
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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2006e.html

AND holy crap ... take a look at the 2006 draft picks... a freaking monster top 5...it's not like that was a shallow draft year at the top with who went after Johnson ...wtf?

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#170 DoubleJ
February 19 2011, 07:17AM
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I guessing St.Louis will be bidding on Bogo now.

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#171 pelhem grenville
February 19 2011, 07:58AM
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... Bogosian's last year ELC has him at 3.7ish with bonus stuff ...but the blues gave up their ace/stud and another for two coming back including a young Dman that the blues seem to be happy about? picks 2 both ways

would they even want Bogosian?

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#172 JohnQPublic
February 19 2011, 11:36AM
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We are not trading Hemsky, we are trading "one year of Hemsky's hockey life".

The question should be, what is that worth?

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#173 Matt Henderson
February 19 2011, 08:56PM
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Dennis wrote:

I mean you defended Lowe for the Pronger trade but even he has admitted he made a mistake in that regard.

I think you are a little confused about what we were arguing.

I, for one, was not debating the quality of Lowe's trade history. I was comparing the different situations under which the trades happened/will happen.

In fact, if you admit that Lowe should have gotten more for Pronger, then doesnt that nullify your suggestion that the Oil should expect less for Hemsky?

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#174 Ed from Edmotnon
February 20 2011, 03:06AM
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Hemsky has always been a mystery to me. One night he can be brilliant and the next he can do a Kent Nillson (magic man disappearing) act. His best fit would be on a team where he could fill in like Hossa in Chicago. A skilled player that you can count on to get his points troughout the year but not an every game player like Toews, Kane, Seabrook.

Obviusly has to be avilable for the right price, a first rounder and a proven player or can't miss prospect.

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