Hemmer!!

Lowetide
February 18 2011 07:49AM

This is Ales Hemsky. Despite clear and obvious skills, he is another player that leaves the fanbase divided. Some see him as an electric offensive talent, others see him as a turnover machine whose plodding decision making impacts every powerplay.
 

Oilers Nation has done this forever, by the way. I well remember Paul Coffey hearing the boobirds at Northlands in a game he was dominating against Chicago and Murray Bannerman. Slats had just gone public about money and contract, with the smooth skating offensive defenseman becoming public enemy number one on a team so talented observers were spoiled at puck drop.

People used to call Hemsky "no balls" (actually it was Kyle Woodlief from Redline report) but that bias is long gone and any fool can see #83 is fearless to the point of routinely putting himself in real danger. His list of injuries reflect that tendency to take on challenges that a lesser man would avoid at all costs.

The Oilers powerplay is addled, it's been that way since Hemsky arrived (with some exceptions). I tend to blame the coaching staff but do understand that we as fans point the finger at the most talented offensive players. I sometimes think that PP failure--along with the turnovers at the opposition blue--are the real reasons so many people are anti-Hemsky.

Hemsky's 5x5 numbers (equal strength) have always been a strength:

  • 06-07 5x5 per 60m: 2.09
  • 07-08 5x5 per 60m: 2.36
  • 08-09 5x5 per 60m: 2.08
  • 09-10 5x5 per 60m: 2.85

  • 10-11 5x5 per 60m: 3.08

That number--the 10-11 number, ranks him 5th in the entire league. The chart is here. My thanks to Oiler Mag for pointing it out.

If Steve Tambellini does trade Hemsky, he needs to get exceptional value in return.

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#51 Jeremy S.
February 18 2011, 08:22AM
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The thing is at the deadline is where you get prospects. People willing to sell the future to win right now.

There hasn't been a big player moved at the draft in a while...

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#52 TOM//MTL
February 18 2011, 08:23AM
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Damn, I'd hate to see Penner or Hemmer go. Collecting high draft picks/prospects is great but a quality veteran presence is also valuable. If we do flip either the deal has to include an established NHLer. Deep down I hope both are willing to resign here. They would make a pretty decent 2nd/3rd line a couple years down the road.

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#53 CM
February 18 2011, 08:25AM
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I was talking with my dad last night. He's never been the strongest Hemsky supporter which is why last night it suprised me when he said "if the oilers trade Hemsky they are nutz. There is no way they get the same type of player back."

I agree 100% if the returen isn't schenn, forbert, bernier and their first I don't want to see hemmer go.

I know that is way more than any GM would pay. But that is what he's worth to me. On any given night Hemmer is one of the few reasons to watch this team. If we trade him we are going to spend the next couple years trying to find the same player.

The guy loves to play and I love watching him.

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#54 EasyOil
February 18 2011, 08:26AM
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I think it would be a huge mistake to trade Hemsky or Penner, BUT if the return was outstanding (as with any trade) I would probably pull the trigger. My issue with trading Hemsky (despite the fact he's been my absolute favourite Oiler since getting into hockey) is the same as has been pointed out on many blogs, but none so bluntly and straight to the point as Pat at BDHS: "Keep good players. Get more good players." Couldn't. Agree. More. Penner and Hemsky are outstanding NHL players and are vital to this team.

Unfortunately it is easier said than done and you do need to give up something good to get something good in return, hence why most people are saying we need a proven player coming back in return.

Can people explain to me whats the deal with Wayne Simmonds? I understand he's a pretty good 3rd liner who's having a tough year on the scoresheet, but many rumours seem to have him pegged as the centrepiece to a deal with LA? I agree with most fans who say "hell no" to him as the centrepiece, but "yeah why not" to him as a throw-in with a better player/prospect. Like I say though, I don't know much about him, can anyone shed some light on him? Scouting reports/projections etc.?

Oh and LT, I know your sick of being asked, but any word on the Nation Radio Archive?

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#55 Oilcruzer
February 18 2011, 08:44AM
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Wisniewski injury is bad. Check the photos online, including his zuckerburg page, so...

The number of key injuries to defense to challengers like canuckleheads or Habs is creating hyper demand for D, so...

The price of any d man is going to be far exaggerated over the next three days, so...

If the oil are looking for a stud D man, it will cost plenty...NOW, but the same player will be much cheaper after the season.

Note: Stuart in Boston is available for a pick or low contract... They need to make room for Kaberle.

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#56 jaicee
February 18 2011, 08:46AM
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I love Hemmer, I remember watching the draft and seeing him get selected ONE spot ahead of my old grade 12 biology partner Chuck Kobasew.

From Hemmer's point of view, I could see why he would want a crack at winning a cup. This is the age when he is near his prime and he's spent his whole professional career in Edmonton. I'm not saying Edmonton won't be Stanley Cup Champions next year, or the year afterwards... I am just saying the odds are a tad lower than a team like Boston or LA has.

He's been a fun player to watch grow with the team, however, we really could plug a few holes and this might not be a bad opportunity to get a great return on him. The scouts were likely drooling all over themselves the past 2 games.

Great article as always!

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#57 DBO
February 18 2011, 08:57AM
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Brian Elliot traded to Colorado for Craig Anderson.

Like the move for both. Colorado not going to re-sign Anderson, and Ottawa may offer him a discount deal in the hopes he recaptures last years magic. Cheap option. Can't fault Murray for taking his time, unlike our GM, he is at least making decisive decisions. The team will be different next year for sure.

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#58 jimmycrackcorn
February 18 2011, 08:59AM
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Tambo moves slowly, but I don't think he's stupid. I doubt Hemsky goes because I don't think there will be enough coming back.

More draft picks is not the answer unless the rebuild is scheduled to drag on for 5 more years. I hate to see Hemsky dangle over the blue line and lose it 3 out of 5 times (anyone see that turnover last night? Almost cost a goal), and I hear his practice habits are horrible, and he doesn't strike me as much of a positive force in the room.

If he goes and Tambo hits a home run with a top D-Man that can play big tough minutes now against the top opposition, then fine, but who in play off contention is going to give up someone like that? No one.

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#59 sloppy joe
February 18 2011, 09:00AM
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Premise 1: any player is (or should be) tradeable if the price is right (absent no-trade clauses, etc.)

Premise 2: as other posters have already pointed out, good teams hold on to their good players, and sign more good players.

I have no problem with them trading Hemsky or Penner if the price is right. But, if the rumor mill about the possible returns from LA is true, we're not getting the right price. Not even close.

We should be holding on to these two guys unless, behind the scenes, there is a clear sense that they're not going to re-sign. If the won't re-sign, we might as well get the most we can in return while their value is highest (i.e. at this deadline, not next).

I don't know if we have rose coloured glasses when we're looking at Penner and Hemsky. For example, I see Hemsky as a sublime talent who has not had much elite support around him since 2006. His boxcars have been affected by that, and also by injury. I see him as a bona fide 1st liner, and my opinion about what we should be getting in return is informed by that view. It seems that my opinion might be biased. Last night on TSN, Mike Johnson and Darren Dreger described Hemsky as 'a pretty good 2nd or 3rd line guy' (I'm paraphrasing). If that's how the rest of the leage sees him, we're not going to get 100% value in return in a trade.

And also ... in the event that Penner and Hemsky don't want to re-sign, I wonder how much of that has to do with the fact that they know they're playing on a team that was purposely built to tank, and management saying that they expect to be competitive in "4-6 years." If they know their careers will be winding down (or maybe over) by the time the team is good, why would they want to stay?

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#60 Sean17
February 18 2011, 09:02AM
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Wow, good level-headed comments, I guess the "panic-button" fans are still sleeping!

I look at Hemsky this way - the Sedins are both top scorers and are 30. Hemsky is 27 and if it wasn't for injures might be having a similar year as Henrik and Daniel did when they were 27.

Henrik .92ppg 2007-08 Daniel .90ppg 2007-08 Hemsky .90ppg 2010-11

The Sedins really took off when a better supporting cast came in to take the focus of just their line. And even if Hemsky doesn't reach the same level of the Sedins in the next couple years, he may be the supporting cast that allows Hall and Co. to dominate.

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#61 slopitch
February 18 2011, 09:05AM
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I agree LT, return has to be outstanding.

The Oilers need more top 6 capable players - not less. These kids need top line players to shelter them and let them develop properly. Let Horcoff/Hemsky/Penner play Getzlaf, Datsyuk, Sedins and let Hall and co have a better chance to gain confidence. The game is slowing down for the kids and will continue to if we can shelter them.

The one item that makes trading Hemsky a conversation is his injury history. But like I has the return has to be outstanding.

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#62 Ducey
February 18 2011, 09:10AM
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Hemsky may be 5th in 5 x 5 pts/60 but he is 251st in power play pts/60. And he gets hurt a lot.

I am for trading him for young elite level talent that will fill a hole at #1C or #1 D (Schenn, Seguin, Bogosian, ?). We don't need a good bets, we need a sure thing. If the Oilers get a chance to grab a future star because a team wants to go for it now, then pull the trigger.

Otherwise, try and sign him.

The caveat, of course is whether he really does want to be here. I know he said he was happy in the media, but the reality is that most smart players would say the same thing. When Tambo approaches his agent, it may be a different story.

If he doesn't want to re-sign for reasonable dollars then they need to look at trading him this deadline, rather than next deadline - when they will have a gun to their head. This has been the problem with both the Pronger and Smyth deals.

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#63 Ryan2
February 18 2011, 09:12AM
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Gregor is absolutely right in saying good teams keep good players and add more, which is why I have been arguing here and other places that it is better to sign both Penner and Hemmer to reasonable deals and keep them. If the Oil hit cap issues or have enough depth 3 years from now then they can move them at that point with decent contracts to fill holes. Otherwise, it will be a waste to trade our top two forwards for "draft picks" or "prospects" that have a high probability of not being equal value. Look at the Pronger trade or Smyth trade as an example of how "prospects" can turn out.

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#64 BingBong
February 18 2011, 09:18AM
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With all the trade talk about Hemsky and Penner, at this point I feel it comes down to one thing: are they willing to sign once their contracts run-out, or do they want to test free-agency? Only they - and their agents - know what they want to do, but it they're willing to stay I'd sign them both. If not, then trade them. When to trade - this year, summer, or next year - obviously depends on quality of return, and something tells me we won't be seeing them moved until next year around this time.

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#65 yegCopywriter
February 18 2011, 09:24AM
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Hack The Bone wrote:

I'm in favour of selling high with Hemsky, unless he's expressed a strong desire to stay long term. The ideal "sell high" deal would be something like:

Hemsky and Jones for

Schenn, Forbort and Simmonds.

LA can afford it, but it's a steep price...the way it should be.

That trade makes sense on LA's part too, since Jones can help replace Simmonds for their playoff push. I'd make that trade and I could see L.A. making it too if they start to feel desperate leading up to the deadline.

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#66 Ashley
February 18 2011, 09:33AM
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I remember the draft day for Hemsky. The media summary went something like: "Edmonton drafts undersized skilled winger, needs size and toughness." I got the impression that the media thought it was a reach pick. The Hemsky draft was highway robbery by Pendergrast. I didn't follow the draft as closely as I do now. Does anyone know if he was ranked higher/lower and fell/surged leading up to that draft? Where was he ranked by redline, ISS etc??

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#67 neojanus
February 18 2011, 09:51AM
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I have no dispute that Hemksy is a great player (an excellent one at times). For me the question is what the Oilers lack more than anything.

I think the thing killing the Oilers more than anything is the lack an established defense. We have young scorers in droves now. I think we have one player (Hall) who will be more valuable on the ice than Hemsky.

If the price is a good one and the Oilers can address their defense with one established good/great d-man, a prospective d-man, and a plugging centre with some strength on the faceoff dot, then Hemsky will have no higher value than this year (especially if he lights it up until deadline) and the Oilers should consider the move.

I'd miss him, but you have to move forward by making these tough trades to improve huge weaknesses. I don't believe the Oilers can build a contender through the draft and prospects alone. They need a real leader on defense (more than one because the team can't stay healthy). To get that in this league, you have to sacrifice some elite options.

Are there many here who would trade Hall instead of Hemsky? I wouldn't. And although I don't have any proof, I'd venture that Hemsky wouldn't mind a change of scenery. I think LA is a good trade option as long as the deal was carefully bartered. EDM has the power in this situation. We have a year of flexibility, we are not contending immediately, and we have a lot of strength developing offensively. Get a good trade and this'll help the team a lot for next near.

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#68 Tapdog
February 18 2011, 09:58AM
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Ryan2 wrote:

Gregor is absolutely right in saying good teams keep good players and add more, which is why I have been arguing here and other places that it is better to sign both Penner and Hemmer to reasonable deals and keep them. If the Oil hit cap issues or have enough depth 3 years from now then they can move them at that point with decent contracts to fill holes. Otherwise, it will be a waste to trade our top two forwards for "draft picks" or "prospects" that have a high probability of not being equal value. Look at the Pronger trade or Smyth trade as an example of how "prospects" can turn out.

Gregor is right in his statement but the Oilers at this point are not a good team!

Seriously, there are many glaring holes in this lineup and need to be addressed before being called a good team.

Part of the process of becoming that team is trading assets for those pieces. The day will come where we are doing what Gregor says but today is not that day!

When you trade players like Hemsky you never get same day value. These deals take years to dictate who "won" the deal.

If the return on Hemsky+ is: B. Schenn/Defensive prospect/1st They best make that deal!

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#69 JohnnyEberle
February 18 2011, 09:59AM
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I for one would like to see Hemmer stay. He is an elite player and is exciting to watch. I cant see it happening. I believe ST will tweak the bottom 6 and the blue line with a couple of small trades, hopefully getting more in return for a guy like Foster and Vandermeer than he normally would due to the defenseman imjury situation league wide. (Assuming Foster is OK after not finishing last night). The only way Hemsky moves out of town is if we get overpayed in a deal that makes us look like we got away with robbery.

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#70 Trueblue32
February 18 2011, 10:06AM
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The oilers have gotta keep Hemmer. This guy has elite talent! Lowe made a big mistake of letting Smyth (a true oiler) go imo.

If anyone is traded it should be Penner. He'll give a good return back for his value.

Besides, in two more years the oil will have to sign Gagner, Hall, MPS, & Eberle all at the same time. That will take considerable cap space I imagine.

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#71 Rogue
February 18 2011, 10:16AM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

You can have Ales' old redline nickname now that he isnt using it anymore. No Balls.

Hey, that was my cats name. Was Snowball until we had him operated on.

I miss that cat.

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#72 ClosetGM
February 18 2011, 10:19AM
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Aitch wrote:

First and foremost, Tambo needs to use the Ryan Smyth deal as a barometer. That one brought us three assets. Hemsky should return that much as well.

So we should trade hemsky for a robert nilson, ryan omarra, and a draft pick. Good thing you are not running this team. The only way Hemsky goes is for a legit prospect ala Bogosian or Schenn, thats it. If not we keep him and let him play with our young stars. Hemsky has serious talent and we desperately need that.

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#73 CSimpson18
February 18 2011, 10:21AM
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I love Hemsky (like a brother...) but I'm gonna need even one person to explain to me how it's a good idea to have our 6 highest paid players be wingers. I'd love to keep the guy but I'd need to know what kind of dollars and especially term he'd be looking for after next year. Also ask the magic eight-ball how much HPE will be making on their next contracts.

Due to his injury concerns I think he'd be looking for long term security. This carries significant risk from an asset management standpoint. I'm not against offering him something like 5 years 5million, not much more/longer though. I think if that's the case Penner would have to go. It's a conundrum.

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#74 ClosetGM
February 18 2011, 10:22AM
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Tapdog. wow keep dreaming. Hemsky is not going to get anywhere near that return and if LA was offering that he would have been gone already.

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#75 Rogue
February 18 2011, 10:25AM
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Its a tough call. To me it depends on who is willing to resign. Maybe Penner with his L.A. squeeze will want to move. I would hate to lose both, but if they will not commit, then I think you would have to move one now and the other next year.

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#76 Quicksilver ballet
February 18 2011, 10:26AM
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We've seen alot better players come and go from this town, Dustin and Ales will also leave when the time comes as well. Have a sneaky suspicion it will be both leaving here in the next week and we'll be icing another 2 rookies in the fall. With the spring Stanley Cup derby being open to so many different clubs this year it should be relatively easy to find someone willing to do just that little bit extra for the players the Oilers have to offer.

After losing 14 games in a row, there's no doubt who the No.1 goaltender is in this town. Who knew Tom Renney just wanted to give his team the best chance to win by starting Khabibulin all those starts this year. Enjoy the view from the bench Devan, your time will come, watch and learn.

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#77 TigerUnderGlass
February 18 2011, 10:29AM
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DimebagDave wrote:

Seriously people, this has to be the 100th time someone has asked if management has talked to the players about their thoughts on resigning here. Give your heads a shake. As much as people want to talk s**t about ST, if it has crossed our non-professional minds about talking to the players do you really think he hasn't thought it too? Sometimes I feel I'm losing brain cells reading some comments here.

That's just it though...has it crossed his mind? It would cross the mind of a normal competent manager, but that doesn't mean Steve Tambellini has had the thought. I hope it has.

Has Tambellini honestly provided you with any reason at all to suspect even basic competence? I have no confidence in him whatsoever.

If you were to ask the same question about most GMs then I would have to agree, they probably would have had many conversations with Hemsky by now. With Tambellini I have no idea, maybe, maybe not.

I have no more faith in him than I would have in Pierre McGuire.

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#78 jake
February 18 2011, 10:29AM
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If a trade is inevitable, now is the time for Hemsky to light it up.

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#79 sloppy joe
February 18 2011, 10:32AM
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Tapdog - there's no way LA is giving up Schenn/Defensive prospect/1st for Hemsky.

ClosetGM is right - the deal would be done already if that was the return.

My understanding is that Shenn isn't on the table. Hence all the hand-wringing about what constitutes a worthwhile return.

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#80 madjam
February 18 2011, 10:36AM
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Hemsky is our present day franchise player and thus moving him at this stage seems miniscule at best . In Tams interview after game last night , it appears trade and selling talk also at a minimum from an Oiler perspective . Tams seems to be resigned to present personnel and be neither a buyer or seller at this stage . Tams appears to be only a listener going into trade deadline . Thus , i'd conclude Oilers will be quite this time with only a minor league deal if any . Maybe that was part of his talk to players the other day - he wants to remain status quo , so pick up your intensity before end of season ?

Unless a blow your mind unforseen as yet deal comes across the trade tables , i see little from what Tams seem to imply by his interview that the Oilers will do anything of significance . Thats the impression Tams left me with .

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#81 CM
February 18 2011, 10:36AM
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sloppy joe wrote:

Tapdog - there's no way LA is giving up Schenn/Defensive prospect/1st for Hemsky.

ClosetGM is right - the deal would be done already if that was the return.

My understanding is that Shenn isn't on the table. Hence all the hand-wringing about what constitutes a worthwhile return.

Then Hemmer shouldn't be in the discussion either.

We don't trade Hemmer unless it helps the oilers.

Getting wayne simmonds and losing hemsky doesn't help the oilers.

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#82 Ducey
February 18 2011, 10:38AM
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If the return on Hemsky+ is: B. Schenn/Defensive prospect/1st They best make that deal!

Lombardi is notorious for hoarding his prospects and on top of that apparently really likes Schenn. Further LA has points in their last 14 games.

They are not desperate and frankly seem to be more interested in just making the playoffs than winning the Cup.

If EDM is going to pry lose Schenn they are likely going to have to take back a salary (Smyth seems likely) and/ or add in a player. Even then, it seems unlikely that Lombardi will give him up.

My guess is that Hemsky isn't going anywhere.

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#83 NastyNate
February 18 2011, 10:43AM
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Hemsky + Chorney + Brule for Schenn and Simmonds

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#84 geoilersgist
February 18 2011, 10:43AM
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Trueblue32 wrote:

The oilers have gotta keep Hemmer. This guy has elite talent! Lowe made a big mistake of letting Smyth (a true oiler) go imo.

If anyone is traded it should be Penner. He'll give a good return back for his value.

Besides, in two more years the oil will have to sign Gagner, Hall, MPS, & Eberle all at the same time. That will take considerable cap space I imagine.

The oilers have $13mil in cap space and gagner wont get more than $2mil a season which is what hes making now. Even if the other 3 are making $4mil a piece we still have room, don't forget Souray comes off the books after next year. Cap space is the last thing this team is worried about.

Back on Topic I don't want to sound like a broken record but the Oil should keep Hemmer and Penner unless the deal is too good to be true. Penners size and skill set makes him more valuable than Hemmer but what do I know.

mmmmm kool-aid

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#85 Tapdog
February 18 2011, 10:44AM
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ClosetGM wrote:

Tapdog. wow keep dreaming. Hemsky is not going to get anywhere near that return and if LA was offering that he would have been gone already.

And that is why I had the "+" sign after Hemsky's name! Sorry for not making it more clear!

As for the value, Hemsky being traded will happen when the opposing GM is ready to over pay. Nature of the beast when the market is bare! It has been reported that Simmonds/1st has already been offered and refused. Adding in something with Hemsky then adding Schenn and switching Simmonds with a d-prospect is not out of the scope of possibilities.

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#86 Aitch
February 18 2011, 10:49AM
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@ClosetGM

Well, I don't proclaim to be a ClosetGM, but I think a similar deal is what we'll see. Obviously, in hindsight Nilson, O'Marra and the pick didn't pan out (with exceptions made for Plante.) What I'm talking about is two former firsts and a 1st round pick. If Smyth with only two months left on his contract can fetch that, than Hemsky with more than a year left, should be able to bring an equal or better return in theory.

Now, last time I checked Schenn would be a former first rounder. So, we're not exactly that different in our requests. If the Oilers could get Bogosian out of ATL and he pulls a Pronger and turns into a d-man on his second team, Hallelujah! But I'm not counting on Dudley falling and hitting his head anytime soon.

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#87 Mouse
February 18 2011, 11:01AM
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IF the reported rumour (from Dreger and Mackenzie) is true, we should get a boone for Hemsky. Kaberle for Boston's first and Colbourne. That is the type of overpayment we are looking for. WAit it out and get what you want or don't trade either Hem/Pen. Never settle for less at this time, you can settle at next year's deadline.

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#88 TonyT
February 18 2011, 11:14AM
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Wow, I love Hemsky as much as the next guy but why wouldn't we trade him. Everyone on this site pretty much agrees that we need three things (1) size (2) defense (3) centers, not necessarily in that order. If we don't trade Hemsky, do we trade Omark or Eberle to improve the other areas? Three lines that can score sounds nice but we've tried this before and the Oilers simply do not have enough balance throughout their lineup to be consistenly effective. If trading Hemsky improves any of the three previous areas while accumulating young talent, I'm all for it or we could wait for the final year of his deal and trade him for Nilson, O' Marra, and picks or maybe Lupul, Smid, and a first are available?

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#89 RossCreekNation
February 18 2011, 11:16AM
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Bruins just moved Blake Wheeler & Mark Stuart to ATL for Rich Peverly & Boris Valabik. Oil should have been in on that.

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#90 Chris.
February 18 2011, 11:31AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Bruins just moved Blake Wheeler & Mark Stuart to ATL for Rich Peverly & Boris Valabik. Oil should have been in on that.

Is this a preiminary move by either team? (Are Bogosian or Kaberle on the move next?)

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#91 Kodiak
February 18 2011, 11:38AM
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With Hemmer being signed for another year at a very reasonable contract, his return should be higher than Kaberle's.

I would trade him if a decent deal was there. My gut feeling is he isn't going to re-sign, so move him. There are lots of veteran ufa's available that will produce 40+ a year and provide a lot more leadership. (J.Williams, M.Hejduk, R.Verbata, T.Fleischmann, M.Ryder, M.Recchi) None of these guys are half as talented but would serve a purpose, and the picks/prospects would be huge going forward.

Losing out on some high end picks/prospects just to have Hemsky in the lineup 55 games next year doesn't make sense to me.

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#92 Jon
February 18 2011, 11:43AM
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Chris. wrote:

Is this a preiminary move by either team? (Are Bogosian or Kaberle on the move next?)

It's a salary dump by Boston. They save close to 2.5 million in cap hit...which they need to do to bring in Kaberle.

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#93 Pajamah
February 18 2011, 11:49AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Bruins just moved Blake Wheeler & Mark Stuart to ATL for Rich Peverly & Boris Valabik. Oil should have been in on that.

Which part?

Wheeler and Stuart fill needs, so do Peverly and Valabik.

I haven't been tracking Valabik since his world juniors appearance (or before, for that matter, ~5 games is enough of a sample size~) Does he project to a top 3 D-man?

If not, Peverly and Wheeler look to be more valuable to Edm than either D-man (we don't need anymore #4 d-men, we already have a 2-3, atleast 3 #4-5's, and 3 #8's)

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#94 Mouse
February 18 2011, 11:53AM
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Pajamah wrote:

Which part?

Wheeler and Stuart fill needs, so do Peverly and Valabik.

I haven't been tracking Valabik since his world juniors appearance (or before, for that matter, ~5 games is enough of a sample size~) Does he project to a top 3 D-man?

If not, Peverly and Wheeler look to be more valuable to Edm than either D-man (we don't need anymore #4 d-men, we already have a 2-3, atleast 3 #4-5's, and 3 #8's)

Would have liked Stuart here. Would replace/upgrade what Vandermeer was supposed to be for next year. Wheeler, I am not crazy about, but would be a good 3rd liner. Might be too expensive for that role though.

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#95 RossCreekNation
February 18 2011, 12:09PM
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Chris. wrote:

Is this a preiminary move by either team? (Are Bogosian or Kaberle on the move next?)

Kaberle's been moved to Boston, so yes, that deal with Atlanta was a setup move for them.

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#96 RossCreekNation
February 18 2011, 12:12PM
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@Pajamah

I meant the Wheeler/Stuart part. Not sure Valabik will ever be anything. He was on waivers earlier this year (even re-entry if I'm not mistaken).

Wheeler's got size and can play C or W, and Stuart has a mean streak & plays a defensive role. Maybe its just me, but I would've thought Oil would have interest in both. Maybe they did, who knows... but there weren't any rumors.

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#97 Dominoiler
February 18 2011, 12:14PM
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Whoa Colbourne, 1st and a conditional...

Whoa.. unless Boston soured on Colbourne, they got feltched... er.. Fleeced...

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#98 Archaeologuy
February 18 2011, 12:18PM
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@Dominoiler

The way Colbourne is producing in the AHL he could end up being the equivalent of a Robert Nilsson in that deal.

I think Reddox might have more points than him. I'd put more money on that pick turning into a better player.

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#99 Dominoiler
February 18 2011, 12:31PM
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@ Archaeologuy

Had to check it out for myself, and I think you are right to an extent...

his numbers are a little low.. but he is a rookie in a decent league.. scoring almost at .5 a game.. his +/- for what is worth is good (big improvement over his first 6 games at the end of last year)

6'5,.. 1st round pedigree.. I think Burke just made the trade of his tenure.. kudos for him holding on to kaberle until a good deal finally came about..

Even if colbourne doesnt turn into a ppg centre, he will likely be able to impact the game with size.. at the centre position, well.. thats a deal no oiler gm has done in a long.. er.. ever?!..

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#100 Oilcruzer
February 18 2011, 12:33PM
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Hmmm. I thought we would be in on Stuart early this am. Maybe with Stuart going Atl, there is a move for Bogo

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