Trade Winds

Lowetide
February 19 2011 08:22AM

This is Sarah Jessica Parker. All of North America was swept up with NHL trades yesterday and there's a "tell" about possible Oiler trades. Once again, the deadline is all about the blue.
 

Injuries to defensemen are going to happen during the long run to the Stanley. The best recent example were the 2006 Buffalo Sabres. The club started the playoffs with the following players on D:

  • Teppo Numminen (later lost to hip flexor)
  • Henrik Tallinder (later lost to broken left arm)
  • Dmitri Kalinin (later lost to broken ankle)
  • Toni Lydman
  • Brian Campbell
  • Jay McKee (later lost to infected shin)


You know, that's a nice group of defensemen. No Pronger in the 6, but veterans with the ability to make plays in big games and a couple of puck movers too. Here's what they looked like in G7 of the conference final later that spring:

  • Brian Campbell
  • Toni Lydman 
  • Rory Fitzpatrick 
  • Doug Janik
  • Jeff Jillson 
  • Nathan Paetsch
     

Buffalo has horrible luck as an organization, but that's a devastating change in what was about 7 weeks of playoff hockey. For that reason, NHL teams stock up on defensemen at the blueline. Who can blame them?

Yesterday, the NHL exploded with deadline deals. I can't imagine the actual deadline being as busy, and the talent that was exchanged is breathtaking. Here's a quick rundown:

  1. Colorado acquired goalie Brian Elliott from Ottawa for G Craig Anderson. Avs clearly had no interest in keeping Anderson around and get an inexpensive option with some NHL experience. Sens will see what Anderson can do over the rest of the season and may re-sign him. Looks like a blah trade, but you never know.
  2. San Jose acquired D Ian White from Carolina for a 2012 2nd rd pick. A couple of things about this trade: I don't think SJS gave up much when you consider that pick will likely be in the 50's. Also, the fact that the Hurricanes wanted a pick in 2012 is a tell in terms of the quality and depth of this year's draft. Good deal for the Sharks.
  3. Tampa Bay acquires D Eric Brewer from St. Louis for D Brock Beukeboom and a 3rd rd pick in 2011. Brewer hadn't been in the black plus minus since 2000-01; he's healthy and can help a defense. Beukeboom is a hitter and he can skate, and that combination added to size (he's 6.02, 200) make him an attractive prospect. I suspect he's from the Matt Greene tree, although I haven't seen him play. The pick is another bullet. I think Yzerman did very well, but the Blues did too. Helps both teams.
  4. Atlanta acquired F Blake Wheeler and  D Mark Stuart from Boston for F Rich Peverley and D Boris Valabik. This was a salary dump for the Bruins, but the did well in getting a skill player like Peverley. Wheeler gives the Thrashers more size and Stuart is an NHL defenseman--a very valuable item at this time of year. Thrashers win the trade, and could win it by a nice margin if they can sign Stuart to a reasonable deal before July 1.
  5. Boston acquired D Tomas Kaberle from Toronto for C Joe Colborne, Boston's 1st rd pick in 2011 and a conditonal 2nd rd pick in 2012. I think Boston got a fine player and gave up less than what one might believe at first blush. Colborne has stalled in the AHL (but he's a rookie pro, so there's time) and that first round pick is likely to be 25-30. Burke did okay, but I do believe he could have gotten more one year ago.
  6. St. Louis acquired F Chris Stewart, D Kevin Shattenkirk and a conditional 2011 or 2012 2nd rd pick from Colorado for D Erik Johnson, F Jay McClement and a condtional 1st rd pick in 2011 or 2012. This is the kind of trade that will probably cost someone their job. When you deal a first overall pick (Johnson) you better be right. Doug Armstrong is rather new to the job and this could cost him the rest of the honeymoon. Shattenkirk looks like a really good young puck mover and Stewart is a big man with skill, but that first overall pick still has time to turn into Rod Langway. If injuries don't end a career here, I think Colorado wins the trade because Johnson could be an absolute killer for a decade rolling forward.

What does this mean? I suspect the Oilers have calls coming in about Penner, Hemsky, Cogliano and other forwards, but even the Oilers will have some teams knocking and asking about defense. Vandermeer, Smid, Gilbert?

You never know. Silly season is even sillier this year.

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#1 Tha Legion
February 19 2011, 08:24AM
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I hope something happens I tell ya, also these afternoon games are hurting your radio show's WAAA!! I'll still listen!

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#2 sizedoesmatter
February 19 2011, 08:26AM
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I wish tambo had the voodoo spell burke has to get so much for marginal talent

Also I notice you hid Jessica,s face.lol

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#3 DoubleJ
February 19 2011, 08:32AM
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Do you think St. Louis is in the hunt for bogo now?

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#4 gongshow
February 19 2011, 08:35AM
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I've been surprised at what some of the trade values have been this year - some on the high side and some on the low side. I'm interested to see where trade values go as we get closer to deadline.

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#5 @NateInVegas
February 19 2011, 08:46AM
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Alex Pietrangelo must be some kinda freak for the Blues to move a #1 so soon...

Love the depth STL added but in a few years Colorado will win this trade by a mile.

(Stewart woulda looked good in copper&blue, no?)

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#6 Henry
February 19 2011, 08:49AM
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The Johnson trade is a real headscratcher! The best player goes out with a first and a second comes back. There has to be something wrong with Johnson in St. Louis to make this deal. The two guys coming back look fine, but St. Louis' first should be around 5-10 in 2011.

Colorado is going to be loaded soon. Jeez

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#8 a lg dubl dubl
February 19 2011, 08:51AM
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I wonder if ST even tried to get Johnson from the Blues?

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#9 Dr. Oil
February 19 2011, 08:52AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I wonder if ST even tried to get Johnson from the Blues?

Based on what Colorado gave up, I'm glad he didn't.

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I find it amusing that SJP's face is covered in the pic hiding all her horse-like facial features. If you're like me and look forward to seeing those traits, hop over to the following linked site:

http://sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/

Lol.

Ps - I love trades.

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Lowetide wrote:

Henry: I read somewhere that the Blues first rounder is "top 10 protected" but can't find it now.

It was on Twitter, I think Bobby Mac made mention of it. The conditions are if it isn't a top ten pick this season, it will carry over to the next seasons (2012) draft.

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Wait, I had that backwards:

(as per TSN - Scott Cullen) The first-round pick could roll over to 2012 if it falls in the Top 10 this year, but a middle of the order first-round pick still has a decent chance to provide the Avalanche with another NHL-calibre player.

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#13 a lg dubl dubl
February 19 2011, 09:14AM
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Dr. Oil wrote:

Based on what Colorado gave up, I'm glad he didn't.

I think the Avs won that trade, to get Johnson AND a 1st round pick for Stewart and Shattenkirk is pretty good IMO. Wouldn't that be like givin up Brule(but bigger) and Peckham

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#14 kinnick kinnick
February 19 2011, 09:18AM
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If everything goes right for the Avs, they could end up with two picks in the top 11 this year.

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#15 Jeremy S.
February 19 2011, 09:26AM
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Honestly, I'm getting a little antsy... obviously draft pics and prospects are both available out there, and everyone is making moves except the Oilers... honestly is there move teams that have made moves then haven't now?

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#16 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
February 19 2011, 09:28AM
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Dr. Oil wrote:

Based on what Colorado gave up, I'm glad he didn't.

Colorado did it right - traded Shatenkirk while his value was high. The guy has never scored at the pace he has this year. Not even close.

I hope ST takes note. Colgliano is riding a decent run right now. Gilbert's value, on the other hand, is low right now, simply because of the lack of offense.

I hope this team ends up a little more mean and a little more aggressive in 10 days.

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Shattenkirk is a rookie, he's only played this one season and is having one hell of one.

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#19 6 ring circus
February 19 2011, 09:37AM
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Tambellini may just be asking for to much for our players,or he may still be evaluating the trade proposals, by the time he makes up his mind its to late.

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#20 Racki
February 19 2011, 09:43AM
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I might seem silly, but I think Foster and Vandermeer might be two d-men that get the most interest from teams out East even though we don't see them as having that big of an impact (in fact I would describe Foster as useless to this team).

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#21 Shane
February 19 2011, 09:43AM
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I'd rather Tambo be too late because of overvaluing(sp?) than make a trade just for the sake of making a trade

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#22 Jeremy S.
February 19 2011, 09:45AM
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@6 ring circus

I hope he doesn't miss out on the right player because he is asking too much and then the trade is already gone *cough* Johnson *cough*... how perfect would he be on the Oil?

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#23 Henry
February 19 2011, 09:47AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Henry: I read somewhere that the Blues first rounder is "top 10 protected" but can't find it now.

That is an interesting condition. Wonder if the first rounder flips to 2012 if it is below 10. If so, the way SLB's GM is going he is a bad goalie decision from giving away a top three pick in 2012.

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#24 Mike Modano's Dog
February 19 2011, 09:48AM
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I am also getting more than a little antsy that the Oil have yet to make a deal. It could be that he is waiting for the best possible deal, but another part of me wonders if the deal he wants is going to go right out the window if another team comes in and knocks the other team's socks off.

In summary, is Tambellini stalling when he most needs to pull the trigger? Does he have a fall-back plan/deal if the one he wants goes south? There have been so many deals taking place lately.

I, for one, am really getting worried that ST might be too indecisive to make the deals he needs to make - at the right time.

I believe that we need to make a deal for a franchise center, and yes, to do that we have to trade quality players and likely more pieces than the other team to get that. Brayden Schenn would be my number 1 choice, for Hemsky and maybe another descent prospect.

We have so many prospects that at some point, they have to be paired down so we don't have an over-abundance of the same type/quality of player. We need that big center or stud defenceman and I, for one, am willing to part with players/prospects currently on our roster to get that. The question is, "Will there be any left for the taking before Steve Tambellini pulls the trigger this year?"

Just my thoughts right now...

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#25 @NateInVegas
February 19 2011, 09:50AM
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With all the trades and picks being tossed around this doesn't help Tambellini's reputation.

Maybe this afternoon will be the last game for one of the Oilers?

I'm not saying he should panic but it looks bad when you're the last student handing in your homework all the time.

Getting Ryan Whitney for 35 games is his biggest accomplishment next to a 3rd for Staois.

Lemon

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#26 Jeremy S.
February 19 2011, 09:52AM
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@Mike Modano's Dog

I am right with you except for trading for the franchise centremen. They just don't come along and you have to over pay for them.

I firmly believe that the only way to get that centremen is to draft them. Trades right now should be focused on defensive prospects.

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Lowetide wrote:

Shattenkirk isn't that young either, though. He's about 10 months younger than Johnson.

On the St. Louis side of things, do you think picking up Stewart will prove big for the Blues at all?

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#28 6 ring circus
February 19 2011, 10:02AM
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@@NateInVegas

I agree 100%, maybe Tambellini keeps catching the wrong school bus or could he be in the wrong class?

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#30 Jeremy S.
February 19 2011, 10:08AM
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This is probably blastphamy on this site... but I honestly wish Tambi would be a little more out coming sometimes... I'm not asking for a Burke or a Gillis... but just someone who who will take some action, even talk a little bit and then go back it up. All this close to the chest stuff and never let anyone in is brutal.

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#31 B.D.G.
February 19 2011, 10:08AM
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St.louis definitely got shafted in this one. johnson for stewart, colorado wins. McClement for shattenkirk, st.louis wins. 1st round for a 2nd round pick??? St.louis should be receiving that first and colorado the second. Shattenkirk has the potential to become a good offensive defensive in the national hockey league and he was chosen 14 overall in the 2007 NHL entry draft. I like to see where this kid is at in two or three years.

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#32 Captain Obvious
February 19 2011, 10:11AM
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The only bad trade is the one where you get too little. There is no such thing as a bad none trade.

The definition of a bad GM is the GM who makes a trade for the sake of making a trade.

To take Hemsky as an example there are three possibilities.

Trade Hemsky for too little. Not trade Hemsky. Trade Hemsky for Gold.

Only the first move is a bad move.

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#33 andrewmk20
February 19 2011, 10:11AM
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@a lg dubl dubl

it would be like edm giving up petry and penner. But a 1st rounder and eric johnson would still have been something to be considered.

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#34 the tikk
February 19 2011, 10:15AM
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Souray on waivers!

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#35 Jeremy S.
February 19 2011, 10:17AM
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WOW Souray on waivers! (i know i'm not first but wow!)

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#36 RossCreekNation
February 19 2011, 10:18AM
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Souray on re-entry waivers today. Half price... somebody's buying. St. Loo? 48 hours. Tic toc...

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#37 CSimpson18
February 19 2011, 10:19AM
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"This is Sarah Jessica Parker." Lol. Man I love you LT. You must just sit at home and giggle when you write stuff like that.

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#38 andrewmk20
February 19 2011, 10:19AM
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@Mike Modano's Dog

Not much chance of getting a no.1 center through trade. Vincent L was never moved by Lawton and Spezza isn't getting moved by Murray because they are the rarest commodity in the league. Teams can build solid defensive units and find decent goaltending by watching the waiver wire, under the radar UFA's, and middle of the pack trades like what the Thrashers did with Stuart. So far in the league the only way to get a no.1 center is by drafting them.

Also what's the rush with deals. The only reason for making deals by the deadline date is because your team has a big impending UFA or your team is making the playoffs. Neither of which apply to the Oilers. The only target that would require Tambellini to work the phones is Bogosian and it's still only rumour that he wants out of Atlanta, not to mention i'd be tough to get him as the Thrashers are preparing for a run at the playoffs. Like the article says dmen are at a premium come this time of the year. Just ask the Canucks.

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#39 madjam
February 19 2011, 10:21AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Tambellini may just be asking for to much for our players,or he may still be evaluating the trade proposals, by the time he makes up his mind its to late.

Maybe the assessor is flawed in his assessments far too frequently as well . To believe we could be competitive with a defence and goaltending like we have is more than just a little questionable about the ability of someone building a competitive club if you get the drift . It's not like we have a decent core to build around , as it appears to get less and worse every year . Saving grace is we have the odd draft choice to help compensate , but little to surround it with to make it competitive . Beyond our top 3 rookies this year , the rest are all crapshoots at this point and maybe years before being a regular decent acquisition . Taking a look at some other clubs and their rookies in waiting and we see they look to be better stocked over next few years than we are to be honest , and that list keeps growing each season by leaps and bounds .

If i had optimism in our assessor i'd say do something , but i don't, and feel it might be best he do nothing to make matters even worse than they are now . One day he might surprise me , but i'm not banking on it .

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#40 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 19 2011, 10:29AM
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Mr. Dithers silence is golden, is it true he's on holidays while all this is going on?

I wonder what the boobie prize will be for Bryan Murray and Cory Clouston at seasons end this year. Katz looks content to let Tambellini shoot for a hat trick of last place finishes next season.

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#41 Spottheloon
February 19 2011, 10:47AM
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Wow, it is always so interesting to hear people say that Tambi doesn't know what he is doing and on and on. The underlying comment is that these writers of such comments think that they do know better. Have you ever worked in the NHL? Have you ever had to try to make a trade? Just because you don't hear something doesn't mean anything isn't happening. I thought Tambi did pretty well at the trade deadline last year. Now we have the people who sit home and wring their hands because they haven't heard something. It gets very tiresome.

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#42 stevezie
February 19 2011, 10:47AM
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It would not have been like Edmonton giving up Petry and Penner. Shattenkirk had a better scouting report and has firmly established himself in the NHL, to the point he has to be considered a calder candidate. Stewart had Penner's breakout season at age 22 and is on pace for another one this year. It is also one million times better than Brule and Peckham. I like all those guys, but c'mon.

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#43 a lg dubl dubl
February 19 2011, 10:50AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

it would be like edm giving up petry and penner. But a 1st rounder and eric johnson would still have been something to be considered.

Do you really see Stewart getting 30 goals/yr and 50-60 points? I thinks not, but if i was ST i might have swung that deal of yours no problem, then flip that pick to LA to somehow swindle them outta Shenn...WITHOUT involving Hemsky, but thats just me

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#44 Mike Modano's Dog
February 19 2011, 11:01AM
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Okay, to be clear I'm not talking about receiving someone's current franchise centerman. I'm talking about acquiring someone who may one day be. Perhaps I should have said a number one center prospect instead of a franchise center...either way, I'm talking about Brayden Schenn (ideally) or Ryan Johansen and then seeing how high their careers take them.

That is something teams may give up because they are not playing for their big club yet, and as such are unproven. Those gems can be unearthed if you are willing to pay the price necessary to entice their GMs to move them. If you can get a GM to pull the trigger now to help them for this playoff push you may just get that player. Next year Schenn should be in your starting line-up, for sure. Currently we have, in no particular order:

Horcoff Cogliano Gagner Brule Fraser

and coming down the line:

Vande Velde Pitlick O'Marra Martindale etc...

I do not see a bonafide #1 center there, although while wearing my Oiler goggles hope that Pitlick or Martindale may someday become one but know in my heart that is dreaming.

At some point we do have to move some of those bodies, and the best answer in my opinion is to move the quantity of our centers for quality. We have the looks of a lot of #2 centers but not a serious #1.

Even if we pick a center with our first pick in this draft there is no guarantee that player will work out....the person I like best to fill that role is Brayden Schenn, from last year's draft. If we do acquire him we will have someone with the qualities to become that allusive first line center.

It is also my belief that if we can acquire a true top-2 d-man we should do it at this trade deadline, as well. The reason for a sense of urgency is because of timing. If we wait until that player is in the NHL and becoming the player he is supposed to be the GM is less willing to part with the player they had waited for.

Either way, if we draft a potential first line center or top d-man in the draft we would still need the other position. This way we could just take the best player available. We can only do that, though, if we pare down the number of players and prospects we have to acquire better quality prospects.

The time to do that is now.

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#45 TigerUnderGlass
February 19 2011, 11:01AM
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@Spottheloon

At least those people are commenting about hockey instead of how they think other people's comments are tiresome.

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#46 Rogue
February 19 2011, 11:06AM
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ineptflux - Team Trade WanyeGretz For Oodle Noodle Instore Credit wrote:

I find it amusing that SJP's face is covered in the pic hiding all her horse-like facial features. If you're like me and look forward to seeing those traits, hop over to the following linked site:

http://sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/

Lol.

Ps - I love trades.

Best face pic of her I have ever seen!! Horseface is a compliment for her.

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#47 Mike Modano's Dog
February 19 2011, 11:12AM
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@TigerUnderGlass

hahahha....!

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#48 Rogue
February 19 2011, 11:14AM
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I just hope Twinkle Toes Tambo moves of last summer where designed to keep this team in a bottom 3 position. Cuz if he thought they would actually help this team, then we as fans are in doodoo. I hope after this deadline and the summer draft we can be talking generally in a positive vein about TTT.

This may be a defining time for TTT.

Now for Gawds sake do something!!!

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#49 Chris.
February 19 2011, 11:22AM
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I sure would like Ryan Johanson out of Columbus. Too bad Howsen is not a total idiot.

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#50 Starving Student
February 19 2011, 11:27AM
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I think people are really over-valuing Stewart and Shattenkirk.

This is Stewarts 5th year as a pro (3rd in the NHL) and with the exception of last year he has never scored more than 44pts. As I recalled he didn't he started with the Av's last year. In his time in the AHL Shattenkirk was pointless until going on his hot streak with his call-up.

Colorado wins this trade by FAR!

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