More Kids in the Hall

Lowetide
February 21 2011 08:18AM

The Oilers already have their Jacks and Kings on the wing rolling over the next decade. They lack 6's and 7's and could use a complete defenseman and a workhorse 2-way C of the future. If they are to trade Hemsky and Penner, Steve Tambellini should be looking for a very specific return--young NHL players with a wide range of skills. 

  • GOALER: Oilers have Devan Dubnyk and he is enjoying a solid rookie season. They also have Nikolai Khabibulin under contract through the summer of 2013. However, goalie values have never been lower (there's an adequate goalie on almost every street corner) so picking up a goaler--even a highly touted one like the kind they grow in Washington--is probably an inadequate use of assets.
  • DEFENSE: The Oilers should have a couple of capable men from each of the veteran (Whitney, Gilbert) group and the department of youth (Peckham & Petry). Smid is a a dependable player (for the most part) who falls into the middle ground, meaning there are 5 names Tom Renney can look to next season. If they add Adam Larsson he'll get a long look, and the minor leagues/juniors boast some nice talents in Plante and Marincin. Kurtis Foster could also have a rebound season if the Oilers don't ship him off this week or in summer. Could they use a defenseman? Sure, but those young blue (like Bogosian) are so hard to acquire and the mid-level guys (like Teubert) aren't any more certain as prospects than guys like Peckham or Plante. Oilers already have those guys.
  • CENTER: This is an area where the club could really help themselves this week. The current big league roster boasts Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Reddox and Fraser up the middle. A team that comes calling for Hemsky or Penner could be successful if they are able to offer a young C with a nice range of skills. Someone in the entry level contract but already an NHL player. Maybe someone who can win a faceoff and has a mean streak.
  • LEFT WING: Oilers look well set on LW. Hall, Pääjärvi, Jones at the NHL level and talents like Teemu Hartikainen and Curtis Hamilton on the way. Oilers might have to pick up a checker during the summer, but again that's an abundant talent. Edmonton looks good all day on LW. They could use some sandpaper here too.
  • RIGHT WING: If they trade Hemsky, this is immediately an area of concern. Jordan Eberle is gifted but very young and lacks experience; Omark is gifted but has not yet completely earned the confidence of his coach. Brule could help here but I'm not certain the organization can count on him for next season (based on this season's difficulties). You can move Ryan Jones over, but so what? If--as rumored--Wayne Simmonds is coming over from LAK then the depth chart on RW looks better (Eberle, Omark, Simmonds). If they draft that kid Landeskog then the position will be a strength in no time, but it would likely be a season of painful growth in 10-11.

That's the way I see it. If the club deals Hemsky, they need to replace him on the depth chart with an actual NHL right wing. Futher areas of need include a complete defenseman (or someone who will grow into that role); a quality 2-way C (or someone growing into that role now) and grit throughout the batting order.

Wide range of skills. Two-way players. They don't grow on trees, but then again neither does talent like Ales Hemsky.

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#1 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:28AM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Adam Larsson only has 1 goal this year, there has to be concern about his offensive game.

It's not like the guy will come into the NHL for shutdown minutes as a rookie.

I'm in the please don't draft Adam Larsson camp...Way too much of a risk.

I mean do we hear anything these days about Victor Hedman? Nobody even mentions him and 1st overall Erik Johnson has already now been traded for the first time....taking a d-man with a top 4 pick is too hit and miss.

Oilers, please, take a forward with the 1st rounder...

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#2 Smytty777
February 21 2011, 08:31AM
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I'm not sure why the Oilers even contemplate dealing Hemmer or Penner without an overpay. There is zero pressure to move either one of these guys. If you can get a Bogosian or a Schenn into the system, plus a little something, then do it.

No deal for bit pieces and maybes, you can accept that type of deal next year if it is clear neither guy will re-sign. Until then sit on the fastball and swing for the fences, the count is in the Oilers favour right now.

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#3 Oiltank
February 21 2011, 12:05PM
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The oilers would be foolish to trade Hemmer. He plays well with Taylor Hall and vice-versa. He wants to play here, loves the city and the fans love him for the most part (there will always be the armchair GM's who only point the negatives). Get rid of Penner, and keep Hemmer. The chemistry can only get better.

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#4 Dennis
February 21 2011, 02:43PM
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I posted this over at LT's real home;) but in light of what Matheson read today I think we all have four more games to enjoy 83 and then he's as good as gone.

First off, when's the last time an Oiler was talked about being traded this much and it Didn't happen?

There are two issues here

1. are we sure we can't resign him? 2. who believes we'll get a real player back.

If Lowe could move a value contract and Norris Trophy winner in Pronger and he couldn't even get Perry back - nevermind Getzlaf - then how can we not fret today over what's coming back for 83?

I mean just look at what Matheson's floating:

- Schenn isn't available - Teubert's the dman of choice - Oilers like Simmonds and he's available.

I mean it's already being laid out here.

This reminds me of when they dealt 94 because heading into that deadline day we all knew what was going on with the contract talks and everyday he wasn't signed you had a feeling his era in edm was over.

well here we got a few signs of warning and it's flashing in a large way.

Primarily - and through Matheson and the guy's plugged in and this stuff happens all the time - the Oilers are letting it be known that 83 is certainly available and most likely will be moved. And just to rub it in we already know the Kings best prospect or young player isn't available and Lowe always falls for that move; so, Matty basically puts it out there so everyone's ready for the heartache but they already know Lowe couldn't get Schenn so we can only blame him so much!!

So, given what Matty wrote today, you can mark this sucker down.

83's as good as gone and we'll get the Kings second best prospects in all regards.

but it won't be Lowe's fault because everyone's out to get him and no one gives him their best players but he still has to make the deals you know.

Note: everyone knows Lowe pulls the strings on Tambo so that's why I refer to him as the GM.

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#5 John Chambers
February 21 2011, 06:30PM
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The Oilers are probably lucky that this flurry of trades has occured over the past few days. Most of the available quality talent has been moved, and our top talent remains up for grabs.

LA and Washington almost surely need to do something, while CHI, SJ, MTL, NYR, and others may add to their teams over the next week.

I think ON readers have hit the nail squarely: this is ST's opportunity. If he can pull of a deal that looks like Penner for John Carlson, or Alzner and Neuvirth, or Hemsky to LA for Schenn and a 1st - that deal becomes a major milestone of the re-build.

If ST is a bonehead and makes the move for the sake of making a move, and we end up with Thomas Hickey, I'll say that he's failed miserably.

We are in the driver's seat now. I hope the Oil keep one of 27 or 83, and deal the one least likely to re-sign for a top-flight prospect.

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#6 Hemmertime
February 21 2011, 08:38PM
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God I hate this deadline. Normally I like deadline day, but this one's torture. Checking ON and TSN every once in awhile with dread

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#7 OilFan
February 21 2011, 08:47PM
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Hemmertime wrote:

God I hate this deadline. Normally I like deadline day, but this one's torture. Checking ON and TSN every once in awhile with dread

I'm with you on this one. Trading Hemsky is a lose lose situation!!!!!

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#8 Romanus
February 21 2011, 10:27PM
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All these guys thinking we should trade Hemsky are nuts. We finally have a point a game player, of which there are approximately 15 in the league, and everyone wants to ship him out for a prospect we hope will be someday. Hes entering the prime of playing years, now is the time to sign him.

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#9 Drago
February 22 2011, 12:45PM
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What has become abundantly clear is that Steve Tambellini HAS NO intentions of actually trading Ales Hemsky.

Hemsky is playing motivated and his best hockey in a while and being the best offensive player remaining on the market there is considerable interest in him.

It has been reported that Tambellini is asking for the world from other GM's to trade them Hemsky. This is a smart ploy, if a team is willing to pay this steep asking price then of course Tambellini would pull the trigger but its highly unlikely a team would give up that much with cap restrictions and Hemsky's injury history.

A scenario I can see is that Tambellini has made Hemsky seem so expensive that the person he is really trying to move, Dustin Penner, would be seen as a cheaper acquisition by comparison but would still net a favourable return for the Oilers.

Just my two cents.

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#10 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 09:10AM
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Looking at that list of 18 year old defensemen 6'1" or better and having scored at a point per game in the CHL makes me wonder why Jeremie Blain doesn't get talked about a little more often. Is his season an anomoly? Cuz there's not a single bust on the list. the 20: Redden Berrard Boynton fisher hamhuis Klesla Bouwmeester tyutin Barker Vlasic Doughty Blum Del Zotto Bogosian Carlson Kulikov Gormely Blain Marincin

In 3 years the defensive pipeline is going to produce some highly impressive depth on the big club. Snag a young #1d and we're off to the races.

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#11 @NateInVegas
February 21 2011, 09:18AM
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Adam Larsson only has 1 goal this year, there has to be concern about his offensive game.

It's not like the guy will come into the NHL for shutdown minutes as a rookie.

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#12 OilFan
February 21 2011, 09:31AM
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BTW, Gilbert will not be a Oiler by the start of next season. How is Simmonds a upgrade to Jones ? Trade the most talented forwards for two way players and role guys ?

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#13 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 09:40AM
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@Crash

No prob my man.

With names like Stastny, O'Rielly & Neal being thrown out by MSM, you'd have to think ALL of them would look good here. BUT, Dallas is looking for a d-man for Neal, so he's unlikely. Stastny could be difficult to land (although I'd think Gagner or Hemsky could catch Avs attention). O'Rielly could be a real target, though.

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#14 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 09:54AM
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Lowetide wrote:

The thing about Blain is that he was hurt early and has been a complete demon since. If he can sustain those numbers (he's got 21 points in his last 19 gp) there will be a lot of talk in the spring and summer about him.

I'm no draft historian but I think it's reasonable to suggest Stu Macgregor may have put together the best single-year draft performance of all time in 2010. It's early but the returns are truly off the charts. First 8 rounds have had phenomenal seasons and Czerwonka and the rest have at least met expectations. It's pretty much unheard of.

Not sure what role Sillinger has played, if any, but I am infinitely more confident in the drafting and development systems in place now. And the Oilers AHL affiliate looks to be playoff-bound! Thank god, when was the last time that happened...

If the Oilers lack 6s and 7s, they won't for long. Not with this crop on its way. Not to mention the potential k's.

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#15 magisterrex
February 21 2011, 10:24AM
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So Souray cleared re-entry waivers. Time for all the anti-Tambi folks to tell me why it's all his fault, and that he "mis-managed" this invaluable asset. Too slow, oft-injured, too stupid to keep his mouth shut, with 1 more year remaining on his contract, making too much money for what he's become. Perhaps all those armchair GMs who thought it was so simple to pick up the phone and trade him before his Spector interview should rethink their position.

I'm sorry that Sheldon chose the path he's now on, and I sincerely hope he's banking the paycheques he's receiving from the Oilers as he'll never see that kind of cash again.

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#16 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 10:25AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Via Rishaug, Souray clears. Surprised.

Don't know why that was to you OF

I wonder if ST has asked Souray about not getting claimed and how he feels about it lol ;)- dont wanna get the big guy upset now.....

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#17 DoubleJ
February 21 2011, 02:48PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Id like to know what ST might have had to give up for Goligoski(if he even inquired about him) might have missed the boat on that deal...AGAIN

I think the price was pretty steep if you ask me. Neal by himself should have been plenty for Goligoski.

I think Tambi missed the boat on trying to get Neal.

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#18 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 02:57PM
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Dennis wrote:

I posted this over at LT's real home;) but in light of what Matheson read today I think we all have four more games to enjoy 83 and then he's as good as gone.

First off, when's the last time an Oiler was talked about being traded this much and it Didn't happen?

There are two issues here

1. are we sure we can't resign him? 2. who believes we'll get a real player back.

If Lowe could move a value contract and Norris Trophy winner in Pronger and he couldn't even get Perry back - nevermind Getzlaf - then how can we not fret today over what's coming back for 83?

I mean just look at what Matheson's floating:

- Schenn isn't available - Teubert's the dman of choice - Oilers like Simmonds and he's available.

I mean it's already being laid out here.

This reminds me of when they dealt 94 because heading into that deadline day we all knew what was going on with the contract talks and everyday he wasn't signed you had a feeling his era in edm was over.

well here we got a few signs of warning and it's flashing in a large way.

Primarily - and through Matheson and the guy's plugged in and this stuff happens all the time - the Oilers are letting it be known that 83 is certainly available and most likely will be moved. And just to rub it in we already know the Kings best prospect or young player isn't available and Lowe always falls for that move; so, Matty basically puts it out there so everyone's ready for the heartache but they already know Lowe couldn't get Schenn so we can only blame him so much!!

So, given what Matty wrote today, you can mark this sucker down.

83's as good as gone and we'll get the Kings second best prospects in all regards.

but it won't be Lowe's fault because everyone's out to get him and no one gives him their best players but he still has to make the deals you know.

Note: everyone knows Lowe pulls the strings on Tambo so that's why I refer to him as the GM.

You are closing in on a DeepOil level of obssesion with Lowe being the GM.

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#19 Clint
February 21 2011, 03:48PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Good teams...Champions don't trade for futures. They draft and keep them. And then they steal your teams good players. Players like hemsky and penner History shows you keep your best players and trade for better ones. Trading for futures is a fools game

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#20 yegCopywriter
February 21 2011, 03:52PM
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I was talking to a well-connected Edmonton media guy a couple of months ago and asked him, "how much of a say does Lowe have these days?"

His reply was, "More than you think. Tambo does the groundwork, works the phones...but when it comes to making the final call, that's Lowe."

That supports what Dennis is suggesting. I wouldn't say that's a conspiracy.

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#21 9 Inches Uncut
February 21 2011, 04:00PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The real stink comes from fans that don't understand the nature of trading for futures.

YEah dude. Teuberts future is dim. Like you.

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#22 Mike Modano's Dog
February 21 2011, 05:38PM
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Forget about a 2nd or 3rd line RW. We can get a depth right winger in free agency in the off-season if needed.

What we need is a 1st line center!

We don't need 3 separate pieces of crap instead.

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#23 Deeg
February 21 2011, 07:07PM
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@Dennis

I imagine that's the junior club's call... perhaps with a logjam at center and/or it being his 1st season in the dub? But it would be nice for him to develop as a right handed center.

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#24 Archaeologuy
February 21 2011, 07:36PM
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I wonder if Pittsburgh tried to offer Goligoski for Hemsky to Tambo before he went to Dallas.

I'm with the others who think the Stars got fleeced.

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#25 Team Hall
February 21 2011, 08:14PM
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I hope ST is ready for a lynchmob in this town if he trades our best player. He wasn't here when KLowe traded Smytty. He'll be run out of town. Fans in this town are very sensitive to their best player being traded away for prospects, its happened too many times. It rarely turns out well. A warning Steve. An open letter to you. Do Not Trade Hemsky, or its your funeral as GM.

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#26 Archaeologuy
February 21 2011, 08:31PM
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@Team Hall

When this team switches modes from basement seller to playoff/cup contender do you think ST will still be here anyway?

I dont.

The guys in Pittsburgh and Chicago are prime examples of GMs who ran out of rope after puting together the teams that eventually won cups. Whatever I think of the guy, he's better off trading Hemsky than watching him walk away for nothing next summer.

The fact is Tambellini might HAVE to trade Hemsky, whether it's this year or next. His choices might be fewer but better prospects this year or more but lesser prospects next year.

If he has been given any indication that AH isnt thrilled about signing long term as an Oiler then he better be fielding calls for Hemmer.*

*And this is from a huge Hemsky fan and supporter

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#27 stevezie
February 21 2011, 09:11PM
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Hat trick of people who feel that way.

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#28 Archaeologuy
February 21 2011, 10:34PM
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@Romanus

For the record, my 1st option is sign Hemsky long term on July 1st at a fair rate of pay. Moving him is only predicated on Hemsky not wanting to sign.

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#29 GCW
February 22 2011, 09:32AM
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Me thinks you underestimate Omark. He has chemistry with Paajarvi and that's worth a lot, I think, in bring Paajarvi along.

And even if you keep Hemsky, a RW depth chart of Eberle, Hemsky, and Omark is too small and too weak defensively, so you are going to have to do something.

I could live with a depth chart of Eberle, Omark, and some solid 3rd line RW like Simmonds, or Chris Clark, Scottie Upshall, Arron Asham, or equivilent.

I am also happier if my 3rd line LW and or C is one or two of the following FAs this summer: Brooks Laich, Curtis Glencross, Brian Sutherby, Eric Belanger, Jeff Halpern, or Michael Rupp.

You gotta give to get, and the Oilers have some pretty big "gets" they need to make happen.

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#30 Zamboni Driver
February 22 2011, 09:53AM
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Okay...

I must have freezie brain...

Did someone just say "Cornerstone" and "Dustin Penner" in the same sentence?!

Good

Blessed

Lord.

The LAST thing two-tonnes-of-fun either WANTS to be, or is CAPABLE of being is anyone's cornerstone.

(See: Oilers, Edmonton, LAST FRICKIN' PLACE)

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#31 Dino
February 21 2011, 08:27AM
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Fist that's all

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#32 TigerUnderGlass
February 21 2011, 08:43AM
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I don't understand why PRV doesn't get time at RW when he has supposedly been most successful in the SEL on the right side.

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#33 RoundEdge
February 21 2011, 08:56AM
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Hey Robin,

Great Read.

Just wondering, would Derick Brassard fit the mold of the center you refer to? Any chance he could be had if Hemsky were involved?

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#34 Golden Seals
February 21 2011, 08:57AM
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I doubt either player will be traded. Deadline deals are meant to add depth for playoff teams, not simply to swap usable players.

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#35 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 08:58AM
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Your right LT if they do trade Hemsky(god i hope not) then ST should replace his talent with someone of his calibur,talent for talent. If ST trades DPens instead then he should replace him with a Lucic or Downie type, might not get the 25 to 30 goals back in the trade but at least you get a big PHYSICAL player back with mean streak.

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#37 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 09:10AM
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Now you are talking LT!

Just say no to picks/prospects as return for 27/83. (1. as the main piece anyways 2. outside of recent trop 5 picks, progressing nicely)

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#38 Spydyr
February 21 2011, 09:12AM
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~Did you see that wreck or a stadium in Calgary, McMahon. What a pit.The "count" never even mentioned Calgary needing a new stadium. Guess Katz never had a script wrote for him.~

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#40 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:25AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Your right LT if they do trade Hemsky(god i hope not) then ST should replace his talent with someone of his calibur,talent for talent. If ST trades DPens instead then he should replace him with a Lucic or Downie type, might not get the 25 to 30 goals back in the trade but at least you get a big PHYSICAL player back with mean streak.

I agree with you, god I hope they don't trade Hemsky...unless he's stated to them he wants to go. He would make a great compliment going forward to the young talent that is getting better by the day.

If it's me I'm using Penner, Cogliano, Brule, Omark (no he can't replace Hemsky), some of the prospects (Hamilton, Pitlick, Martindale), draft picks, and any of our d-men outside of Whitney as trade bait to fill some of the holes.

The Oilers should target defense (it seems they are readily available)and some nasty, gritty forwards in a trade. They can draft a center in June (Couturier, Nugent-Hopkins, Strome, Huberdeau). With Lander coming in, things may not be as bad at center as it seems. Hall could also be a possible fit at center.

Trade chips don't necessarily have to be used at the trade deadline either...they could be held onto until June at the draft. There's also always a chance of signing a couple of UFA's to fill the physical player with a mean streak roles. Guys like Konopka, Eager are available.

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#41 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 09:32AM
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Some crazy rumours out their from reputable sources:

Why would Dallas consider a James Neal-Alex Goligoski swap? (Darren Dreger)

Colorado & LA talking Stastny? Stastny, Galiardi & a pick for J. Johnson, Bernier & Stoll? Can't see it. (Adrian Dater)

Avs also shopping Ryan O'Rielly & Liles... Liles I get, but O'Rielly? (Dater, The Fourth Period)

Also, Blue Jackets aren't interested in Souray. (Portzline)

Interesting times.

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#42 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:34AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Some crazy rumours out their from reputable sources:

Why would Dallas consider a James Neal-Alex Goligoski swap? (Darren Dreger)

Colorado & LA talking Stastny? Stastny, Galiardi & a pick for J. Johnson, Bernier & Stoll? Can't see it. (Adrian Dater)

Avs also shopping Ryan O'Rielly & Liles... Liles I get, but O'Rielly? (Dater, The Fourth Period)

Also, Blue Jackets aren't interested in Souray. (Portzline)

Interesting times.

Thanks for the updates RC....I'm not connected to the twitter world so I do appreciate hearing about the rumours that are floating around out there.

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#43 OilFan
February 21 2011, 09:36AM
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@RossCreekNation

not rumors you started lol. Also what makes Adrian Dater reputable ? He is as reputable as Matheson lol.

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#44 RDS
February 21 2011, 09:42AM
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So if wingers are Jacks and Kings does that mean Center's are Queens? Just asking.

All this talk about trading 27 and 83 but the way I see it, if they are going to get a team to over pay, it will be a contender and it will be draft picks and maybe prospects not yet playing on the team. I think the oilers have enough draft picks and prospects, especially with another top 3 pick next year, so lets wait until summer and if either of them won't commit to management that they are here to stay then make a deal for a player already playing in the NHL, otherwise its another 30th place finish again next year.

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#45 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:49AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

No prob my man.

With names like Stastny, O'Rielly & Neal being thrown out by MSM, you'd have to think ALL of them would look good here. BUT, Dallas is looking for a d-man for Neal, so he's unlikely. Stastny could be difficult to land (although I'd think Gagner or Hemsky could catch Avs attention). O'Rielly could be a real target, though.

I like Neal's game. O'Reilly is certainly intriguing.

Also I'm one who doesn't want to see Hemsky or Gagner moved, unless Hemsky has requested it.

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#46 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 09:50AM
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I wonder if Tambby is "assesing the situation" with Goligoski, but IMO if hes talkin to Pittsburgh(they want a winger) about Penner or Hemsky then Id hope he'd want back Orpik or Letang *sidenote* Im on the don't trade Hemsky wagon btw

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#47 OilFan
February 21 2011, 09:50AM
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You would think that most the OILERS NATION wants the Oilers to trade all the best players ? Most people on this site are so pathedic they want the Oilers to lose for another draft pick. Don't get me wrong the pick is ok but to cheer to lose ? This rebuild has been going on for years already.

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#48 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 10:02AM
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@OilFan

Via Rishaug, Souray clears. Surprised.

Don't know why that was to you OF

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#49 OilFan
February 21 2011, 10:05AM
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Thanks anyway, keep up the updates please. YOU ARE THE INTERNET KING

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#50 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:09AM
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I understand the Stu MacGregor is the head scout but never is there a mention of the Oilers team of scouts. Stu gets his information from many of these scouts. It's not like he does all of this player evaluating by himself.

I agree that Stu has done a great job so far but we seem to give him all the credit. Kudos must go out to the team of scouts for what seems so far to be some excellent drafting.

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