More Kids in the Hall

Lowetide
February 21 2011 08:18AM

The Oilers already have their Jacks and Kings on the wing rolling over the next decade. They lack 6's and 7's and could use a complete defenseman and a workhorse 2-way C of the future. If they are to trade Hemsky and Penner, Steve Tambellini should be looking for a very specific return--young NHL players with a wide range of skills. 

  • GOALER: Oilers have Devan Dubnyk and he is enjoying a solid rookie season. They also have Nikolai Khabibulin under contract through the summer of 2013. However, goalie values have never been lower (there's an adequate goalie on almost every street corner) so picking up a goaler--even a highly touted one like the kind they grow in Washington--is probably an inadequate use of assets.
  • DEFENSE: The Oilers should have a couple of capable men from each of the veteran (Whitney, Gilbert) group and the department of youth (Peckham & Petry). Smid is a a dependable player (for the most part) who falls into the middle ground, meaning there are 5 names Tom Renney can look to next season. If they add Adam Larsson he'll get a long look, and the minor leagues/juniors boast some nice talents in Plante and Marincin. Kurtis Foster could also have a rebound season if the Oilers don't ship him off this week or in summer. Could they use a defenseman? Sure, but those young blue (like Bogosian) are so hard to acquire and the mid-level guys (like Teubert) aren't any more certain as prospects than guys like Peckham or Plante. Oilers already have those guys.
  • CENTER: This is an area where the club could really help themselves this week. The current big league roster boasts Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Reddox and Fraser up the middle. A team that comes calling for Hemsky or Penner could be successful if they are able to offer a young C with a nice range of skills. Someone in the entry level contract but already an NHL player. Maybe someone who can win a faceoff and has a mean streak.
  • LEFT WING: Oilers look well set on LW. Hall, Pääjärvi, Jones at the NHL level and talents like Teemu Hartikainen and Curtis Hamilton on the way. Oilers might have to pick up a checker during the summer, but again that's an abundant talent. Edmonton looks good all day on LW. They could use some sandpaper here too.
  • RIGHT WING: If they trade Hemsky, this is immediately an area of concern. Jordan Eberle is gifted but very young and lacks experience; Omark is gifted but has not yet completely earned the confidence of his coach. Brule could help here but I'm not certain the organization can count on him for next season (based on this season's difficulties). You can move Ryan Jones over, but so what? If--as rumored--Wayne Simmonds is coming over from LAK then the depth chart on RW looks better (Eberle, Omark, Simmonds). If they draft that kid Landeskog then the position will be a strength in no time, but it would likely be a season of painful growth in 10-11.

That's the way I see it. If the club deals Hemsky, they need to replace him on the depth chart with an actual NHL right wing. Futher areas of need include a complete defenseman (or someone who will grow into that role); a quality 2-way C (or someone growing into that role now) and grit throughout the batting order.

Wide range of skills. Two-way players. They don't grow on trees, but then again neither does talent like Ales Hemsky.

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#51 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:11AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Via Rishaug, Souray clears. Surprised.

Don't know why that was to you OF

I'll bet you Souray is...now he knows, no one even wants him at half the price with only one year left on the contract.

I smell a buyout in the summer.

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#52 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 10:11AM
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Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

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#53 BigE91
February 21 2011, 10:14AM
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Have to agree with the camp that says keep 83 and 27 unless someone out there is willing to mortgage their future for a chance to win this year but it seems to me that any player the Oilers would want in return from a contender would likely be a valuable piece of his current teams puzzle. In other words I don't see trading Penner or Hemsky as a winning situation for the Oilers this year in fact it could very well push their rebuild back further.

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#55 chet
February 21 2011, 10:26AM
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To me this team has a huge issue with size, goal scoring, grit and battling along the boards. I think the oilers should move Hall to centre, you draft Landeskrog, who has size, grit, a goal scorer and a meanstreak, then your topline is Hall Eberle and Landeskrog. Now you have decisions to make; you either trade Penner or Hemsky or both and pick up defense and draft picks. Now try to get another pick into the top ten in the draft then you can draft huberdeau, mcneil or strome. Or you sign Hemsky and Penner to long term contracts, then you draft RNH or Couturier however you have to trade Omark and Gagner for a quality young defenseman. hopefully in the off season the oilers can bring in role players for the third and fourthline.

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#56 Team Hall
February 21 2011, 10:27AM
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@ Crash,

I agree with you on both counts. You don't trade a premium player like Hemsky unless its a homerun. Heads will roll if Tambi trades Hemmer for bits and 4th liners.

You don't usually draft a defenseman at #1 overall because its too risky. That's what picks 7-60 were invented for. Unless its Bobby Stinkin Orr, you don't do it. RNH or Couturier for #1, then Landy. I'm with you on that.

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#57 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:28AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

Wow, Hagman on waivers?...pretty soon that Phaneuf trade is going to look like:

Phaneuf for Stajan, Babchuk and Kostopoulos.

As far as Hagman goes IMO, the Oilers don't need a Hagman, they have enough softer forwards already, who are better options.

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#58 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:35AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Agreed. However, part of it comes from the fact that we don't know the scouts that well and the Oilers don't disclose info about their territories, etc.

There have been changes since Stu MacGregor took over, but we don't know all of the names. Too bad, but we have to go with what is available in terms of information.

I guess my ultimate point was that not many want to give Tambellini credit for the draft which most do when they are praising other GMs such as Holland or any other GM for that matter.

The Tambo haters go straight to Stu and give him all the credit when we all know by watching Oil Change that Stu has a team of scouts that he gets his info from. Yes, ultimately Stu makes the final decision amongst the scouts but then who makes the final decision after that? Plus I get this feeling that had it not been for the team of scouts driving it into Stu about Hall that Stu would have ultimately decided to make the mistake IMO of recommending the drafting of Seguin ahead of Hall.

I'm not a Tambellini lover or hater. But I do see a plan developing here...there were a lot of changes last summer. I suspect there will be many more again this summer.

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#59 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 10:36AM
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Can anybody tell me how David Musil is doin? If he's anything like his dad he might be a good pick in the draft this year, if he's avalible at the time.

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#60 BarryS
February 21 2011, 10:44AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

Why all the dumpster diving recommendations on this site? Very little of value thrown out in other teams garbage, especially guys on their 2nd or 3rd team. Waivers at deadline means no trade value. Oilers have enough "projects" already.

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#61 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 10:49AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

Please... take him!

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#62 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 10:51AM
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Crash wrote:

Wow, Hagman on waivers?...pretty soon that Phaneuf trade is going to look like:

Phaneuf for Stajan, Babchuk and Kostopoulos.

As far as Hagman goes IMO, the Oilers don't need a Hagman, they have enough softer forwards already, who are better options.

Worst part about that trade, imo, was the inclusion of Keith Aulie. That could sting in 5 years. Well... it kind of already does.

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#63 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:53AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Worst part about that trade, imo, was the inclusion of Keith Aulie. That could sting in 5 years. Well... it kind of already does.

LOL, oh yah, forgot about Aulie....well it's not as bad as the Gilmour trade that happened so many years ago....or is it? lol

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#64 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:58AM
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One other possible Souray scenario that could happen. Now that he's cleared re-entry waivers he can be traded to anyone.

Is it possible that another team would be willing to trade a bad contract for a bad contract? Not sure what's out there, but just a thought.

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#65 OILERSORDEATH
February 21 2011, 11:03AM
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I was on the fence with trading Hemmer, but now I'm completely againts it. He an Oiler and should always be. Penner on the other hand is big and can score, but he lacks passion and pride. So its final keep Hemmer trade Penner. Penner and Cogs to LA for Simmonds, Martinez and Voyonov or Muzzin?

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#66 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 11:03AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Please... take him!

You've watched Hagman all year, is he really that useless? He scored 69 goals the 3 seasons previous and I always saw him as a hard worker. 3mil sucks but edmonton doesn't really have to worry about it. Would he not be far better than JFJ or SMac for a bottom of the roster guy?

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#67 madjam
February 21 2011, 11:07AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Can anybody tell me how David Musil is doin? If he's anything like his dad he might be a good pick in the draft this year, if he's avalible at the time.

I really like Musil , love to see the Oilers pick him up if they have a chance to do so .

CREDIBILTY !! Someone would look pretty stupid if Oilers let Penner or Hemsky go if Oilers face any kind of sophomore jinx next season . Then what kind of credibilty would the Oilers have to entertain their fans ?

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#68 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 11:16AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

No prob my man.

With names like Stastny, O'Rielly & Neal being thrown out by MSM, you'd have to think ALL of them would look good here. BUT, Dallas is looking for a d-man for Neal, so he's unlikely. Stastny could be difficult to land (although I'd think Gagner or Hemsky could catch Avs attention). O'Rielly could be a real target, though.

Is Couturer or RNH going to be better then Stastny?

I personally can't see it so how about something centerd around our 1st for Stastny?

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#69 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 11:20AM
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@CSimpson18

Its not so much about him being THAT bad, but more so about getting his $3M off the books in CGY for next season. The Flames payroll is all out of whack. With guys like Stajan & Hagman making 3+, it makes resigning Glencross that much harder. He wouldn't be a bad pickup for a team with cap space. I doubt that team is the Oilers though.

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#70 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 11:23AM
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BarryS wrote:

Why all the dumpster diving recommendations on this site? Very little of value thrown out in other teams garbage, especially guys on their 2nd or 3rd team. Waivers at deadline means no trade value. Oilers have enough "projects" already.

Look around the league, theirs plenty of waiver pick-ups playing at a high level.

I for one, am disapointed that we haven't used our waiver priority to at least try and snag a solid player.

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#71 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 11:26AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Worst part about that trade, imo, was the inclusion of Keith Aulie. That could sting in 5 years. Well... it kind of already does.

Phaneuf has been a real turd in TO though, I'd almost take Babchuk over Phaneuf straight up at this point.

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#72 Tim S
February 21 2011, 11:37AM
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I think the point of the Col LA rumours is that they are looking for a goalie in Bernier. So nothing we could dream up from the Oilers could include young goalie that was very highly touted not too long ago.

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#73 9 Inches Uncut
February 21 2011, 11:37AM
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Crash wrote:

I guess my ultimate point was that not many want to give Tambellini credit for the draft which most do when they are praising other GMs such as Holland or any other GM for that matter.

The Tambo haters go straight to Stu and give him all the credit when we all know by watching Oil Change that Stu has a team of scouts that he gets his info from. Yes, ultimately Stu makes the final decision amongst the scouts but then who makes the final decision after that? Plus I get this feeling that had it not been for the team of scouts driving it into Stu about Hall that Stu would have ultimately decided to make the mistake IMO of recommending the drafting of Seguin ahead of Hall.

I'm not a Tambellini lover or hater. But I do see a plan developing here...there were a lot of changes last summer. I suspect there will be many more again this summer.

Tambi should get credit for trusting Stu and his scouts to make the right picks.

GMs don't deserve credit for the picks. I agree with you on that.

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#74 JL-HOPEkins
February 21 2011, 11:38AM
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OilFan wrote:

not rumors you started lol. Also what makes Adrian Dater reputable ? He is as reputable as Matheson lol.

Matheson is regarded as one of the more reputable sources in the league. But i do agree with your second comment about us wanting to lose. I think it's way more important for this team to want to win and have a winning culture then a lottery pick.

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#75 Kodiak
February 21 2011, 12:30PM
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I'm wondering if there might be something else in play with Souray as well. What would you think about a Hemsky, Souray and Smid for Dubinsky, Redden and Del Zotto or McDonagh deal?

Dubinsky is rfa and will be due a big raise. The Rangers are always cap tight and are deep at center with Stepan and Anisimov playing well. Dubinsky is young, big, leads the Rangers in scoring and is over 50% on face-offs.

Taking on Reddens cap hit would be tough but he's put up 30 points in 49 games this year and should be fine as a 3/4. The Rangers would get Hemsky for the rest of this year and next and get some cap relief swapping Dmen, and we get a #1 center and a good young Dman.

It would be a move I'm sure ST wouldn't be ballsy enough to make but one that would make sense to me.

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#76 Kodiak
February 21 2011, 12:36PM
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Oiltank wrote:

The oilers would be foolish to trade Hemmer. He plays well with Taylor Hall and vice-versa. He wants to play here, loves the city and the fans love him for the most part (there will always be the armchair GM's who only point the negatives). Get rid of Penner, and keep Hemmer. The chemistry can only get better.

He rarely ever plays with Hall except PP, which has been atrocious other than the last game. And I don't think you have any proof he wants to play here or loves the city other than a little lip service interview.

What is foolish is losing him to free agency without maximizing a return for him.

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#77 @NateInVegas
February 21 2011, 12:38PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Stastny is a good NHL comparable for Couturier.

RNH game is completely different from those two guys.

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#78 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 12:50PM
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@Kodiak

Considering neither Souray or Redden currently count against the cap, and Hemsky/Smid each make more than Dubinsky/Del Zotto, the Rangers would actually be taking on salary. Doesn't make sense... at least with Souray & Redden involved.

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#79 DoubleJ
February 21 2011, 12:51PM
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Hagman is on waivers... Would he be a good fit?

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#80 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 21 2011, 12:58PM
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DoubleJ wrote:

Hagman is on waivers... Would he be a good fit?

3 mill cap hit next year before he's a UFA. A little too rich for my liking.

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#81 Dave
February 21 2011, 01:21PM
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Newbie question - why did the Oilers put Souray on waivers ?

I am not sure I understand what is going on here.

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#82 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 01:37PM
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Dave wrote:

Newbie question - why did the Oilers put Souray on waivers ?

I am not sure I understand what is going on here.

*pats dave on head* they put him on waivers to see if any other GM would take Sourays injuries and his contract, no GM claimed him so i imagine he'll be "sent" back down.

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#84 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 01:56PM
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WOW! Dallas trades James Neal & Matt Niskanen to Pit for Alex Goligoski, as per McKenzie.

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#85 Kodiak
February 21 2011, 02:01PM
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@RossCreekNation

True enough although I was thinking more future cap space. Dubinsky gets a big raise in the offseason and they have Callahan, Anisimov, Boyle and Gilroy up for some healthy raises as well. The Rangers do have enough capspace right now to take on Hemsky/Smid, and when they lose Frolov and Prospal to ufa they should be able to sign their remaining rfa's and still have Hemsky in the lineup.

Do you think the Rangers trade Redden straight up for Souray? Of course they do. Whether he counts against the cap or not and deep pockets or not, I'm sure the Rangers are not wanting to pay Redden that salary in the minors for the next 4 years. And you are not getting a #1 center straight up for Hemsky. We can use Redden and if getting a young, face-off winning, scoring center means we take on Reddens contract then I say we should seriously consider it.

I just don't see how else we can get a decent first line center other than to take on bad salary in return in part of a deal. Waiting 2 or 3 years for our center prospects to develop is time a player like Dubinsky can be developing chemistry and growing with the young players right now.

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#86 TonyT
February 21 2011, 02:10PM
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@RossCreekNation

Stars got fleeced in my mind...What's the news on Goligoski because this seems extremely one-sided. I would've traded Horcoff's good eye for James Neal, I'm glad the Oilers no longer have to deal with him.

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#87 esa tikannen
February 21 2011, 02:17PM
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If i am the oilers i would call pittsburgh and try to get neal for hemsky right now. Only trade that makes sense - skilled forward for power forward

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#88 derrickhands
February 21 2011, 02:19PM
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LT your LW checker would be Curtis Hamilton, he's doing a excellent job at it in Saskatoon and played that role in WJC. You could also consider Anton Lander for that role, he's played a couple of games this year at LW. The most important thing the Oilers need on this team is that big right handed shot Center. Cogliano, Gagner, Reddox and Fraser are not physical enough or good enough in the face-off to do the job. I would like to see Gagner stay, but he's going have to improve his game.

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#89 Clint
February 21 2011, 02:31PM
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Don't trade hemsky or penner. Please. Losing either player would set the franchise back in a massive way. Stay the course. Fill in defenseman in free agency. Draft a centerman in the first round. Don't get caught up in all of this bunk trade talk

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#90 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 02:35PM
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esa tikannen wrote:

If i am the oilers i would call pittsburgh and try to get neal for hemsky right now. Only trade that makes sense - skilled forward for power forward

really!?....neal for hemsky...seriously, maybe Penner for Neal

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#93 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 02:41PM
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Id like to know what ST might have had to give up for Goligoski(if he even inquired about him) might have missed the boat on that deal...AGAIN

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#94 Zarf
February 21 2011, 02:43PM
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Clint wrote:

Don't trade hemsky or penner. Please. Losing either player would set the franchise back in a massive way. Stay the course. Fill in defenseman in free agency. Draft a centerman in the first round. Don't get caught up in all of this bunk trade talk

Ladies and gentlemen, we may have just found the most sane, sober and reasonable one among us.

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#95 andrewmk20
February 21 2011, 02:46PM
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Zarf wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, we may have just found the most sane, sober and reasonable one among us.

I agree with this. The only reason to deal those two are if they don't want to resign here.

Also what are the rumours about the Kings and Wayne Simmonds?

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#96 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 02:51PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Stastny is a good NHL comparable for Couturier.

RNH game is completely different from those two guys.

And I don't think either will ever be better then what Stastny is.

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#97 Skidplate
February 21 2011, 02:51PM
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DoubleJ wrote:

I think the price was pretty steep if you ask me. Neal by himself should have been plenty for Goligoski.

I think Tambi missed the boat on trying to get Neal.

How do you know ST didn't try to get Neal? It mights be possible that Dallas did not want to trade within the division.

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#98 Dennis
February 21 2011, 02:59PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Agreed. Neal is a fine player, that was a terrific trade for Penguins.

LT: regarding young Hamilton, concerning we're about a week from cresting Wayne Simmonds but it's worth bringing up that he was a hard-nosed winger who made the jump from juniors to the NHL just like Hamilton might next year.

I'm not saying Hamilton will or that it's a good idea but I just thought I'd point out the comparison.

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#99 jaicee
February 21 2011, 02:59PM
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Dennis wrote:

I posted this over at LT's real home;) but in light of what Matheson read today I think we all have four more games to enjoy 83 and then he's as good as gone.

First off, when's the last time an Oiler was talked about being traded this much and it Didn't happen?

There are two issues here

1. are we sure we can't resign him? 2. who believes we'll get a real player back.

If Lowe could move a value contract and Norris Trophy winner in Pronger and he couldn't even get Perry back - nevermind Getzlaf - then how can we not fret today over what's coming back for 83?

I mean just look at what Matheson's floating:

- Schenn isn't available - Teubert's the dman of choice - Oilers like Simmonds and he's available.

I mean it's already being laid out here.

This reminds me of when they dealt 94 because heading into that deadline day we all knew what was going on with the contract talks and everyday he wasn't signed you had a feeling his era in edm was over.

well here we got a few signs of warning and it's flashing in a large way.

Primarily - and through Matheson and the guy's plugged in and this stuff happens all the time - the Oilers are letting it be known that 83 is certainly available and most likely will be moved. And just to rub it in we already know the Kings best prospect or young player isn't available and Lowe always falls for that move; so, Matty basically puts it out there so everyone's ready for the heartache but they already know Lowe couldn't get Schenn so we can only blame him so much!!

So, given what Matty wrote today, you can mark this sucker down.

83's as good as gone and we'll get the Kings second best prospects in all regards.

but it won't be Lowe's fault because everyone's out to get him and no one gives him their best players but he still has to make the deals you know.

Note: everyone knows Lowe pulls the strings on Tambo so that's why I refer to him as the GM.

Interesting take.

I guess we'll have to sit tight and see what happens over the next week.

There are definitely valid arguement for and against trading Hemsky at/before the deadline.

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#100 stevezie
February 21 2011, 03:02PM
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Neal and Niskanen? Is Gologoski way, way, way better than his numbers indicate?

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