More Kids in the Hall

Lowetide
February 21 2011 08:18AM

The Oilers already have their Jacks and Kings on the wing rolling over the next decade. They lack 6's and 7's and could use a complete defenseman and a workhorse 2-way C of the future. If they are to trade Hemsky and Penner, Steve Tambellini should be looking for a very specific return--young NHL players with a wide range of skills. 

  • GOALER: Oilers have Devan Dubnyk and he is enjoying a solid rookie season. They also have Nikolai Khabibulin under contract through the summer of 2013. However, goalie values have never been lower (there's an adequate goalie on almost every street corner) so picking up a goaler--even a highly touted one like the kind they grow in Washington--is probably an inadequate use of assets.
  • DEFENSE: The Oilers should have a couple of capable men from each of the veteran (Whitney, Gilbert) group and the department of youth (Peckham & Petry). Smid is a a dependable player (for the most part) who falls into the middle ground, meaning there are 5 names Tom Renney can look to next season. If they add Adam Larsson he'll get a long look, and the minor leagues/juniors boast some nice talents in Plante and Marincin. Kurtis Foster could also have a rebound season if the Oilers don't ship him off this week or in summer. Could they use a defenseman? Sure, but those young blue (like Bogosian) are so hard to acquire and the mid-level guys (like Teubert) aren't any more certain as prospects than guys like Peckham or Plante. Oilers already have those guys.
  • CENTER: This is an area where the club could really help themselves this week. The current big league roster boasts Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Reddox and Fraser up the middle. A team that comes calling for Hemsky or Penner could be successful if they are able to offer a young C with a nice range of skills. Someone in the entry level contract but already an NHL player. Maybe someone who can win a faceoff and has a mean streak.
  • LEFT WING: Oilers look well set on LW. Hall, Pääjärvi, Jones at the NHL level and talents like Teemu Hartikainen and Curtis Hamilton on the way. Oilers might have to pick up a checker during the summer, but again that's an abundant talent. Edmonton looks good all day on LW. They could use some sandpaper here too.
  • RIGHT WING: If they trade Hemsky, this is immediately an area of concern. Jordan Eberle is gifted but very young and lacks experience; Omark is gifted but has not yet completely earned the confidence of his coach. Brule could help here but I'm not certain the organization can count on him for next season (based on this season's difficulties). You can move Ryan Jones over, but so what? If--as rumored--Wayne Simmonds is coming over from LAK then the depth chart on RW looks better (Eberle, Omark, Simmonds). If they draft that kid Landeskog then the position will be a strength in no time, but it would likely be a season of painful growth in 10-11.

That's the way I see it. If the club deals Hemsky, they need to replace him on the depth chart with an actual NHL right wing. Futher areas of need include a complete defenseman (or someone who will grow into that role); a quality 2-way C (or someone growing into that role now) and grit throughout the batting order.

Wide range of skills. Two-way players. They don't grow on trees, but then again neither does talent like Ales Hemsky.

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#1 Dino
February 21 2011, 08:27AM
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Fist that's all

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#2 Smytty777
February 21 2011, 08:31AM
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I'm not sure why the Oilers even contemplate dealing Hemmer or Penner without an overpay. There is zero pressure to move either one of these guys. If you can get a Bogosian or a Schenn into the system, plus a little something, then do it.

No deal for bit pieces and maybes, you can accept that type of deal next year if it is clear neither guy will re-sign. Until then sit on the fastball and swing for the fences, the count is in the Oilers favour right now.

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#3 TigerUnderGlass
February 21 2011, 08:43AM
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I don't understand why PRV doesn't get time at RW when he has supposedly been most successful in the SEL on the right side.

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#4 RoundEdge
February 21 2011, 08:56AM
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Hey Robin,

Great Read.

Just wondering, would Derick Brassard fit the mold of the center you refer to? Any chance he could be had if Hemsky were involved?

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#5 Golden Seals
February 21 2011, 08:57AM
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I doubt either player will be traded. Deadline deals are meant to add depth for playoff teams, not simply to swap usable players.

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#6 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 08:58AM
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Your right LT if they do trade Hemsky(god i hope not) then ST should replace his talent with someone of his calibur,talent for talent. If ST trades DPens instead then he should replace him with a Lucic or Downie type, might not get the 25 to 30 goals back in the trade but at least you get a big PHYSICAL player back with mean streak.

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#8 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 09:10AM
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Looking at that list of 18 year old defensemen 6'1" or better and having scored at a point per game in the CHL makes me wonder why Jeremie Blain doesn't get talked about a little more often. Is his season an anomoly? Cuz there's not a single bust on the list. the 20: Redden Berrard Boynton fisher hamhuis Klesla Bouwmeester tyutin Barker Vlasic Doughty Blum Del Zotto Bogosian Carlson Kulikov Gormely Blain Marincin

In 3 years the defensive pipeline is going to produce some highly impressive depth on the big club. Snag a young #1d and we're off to the races.

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#9 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 09:10AM
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Now you are talking LT!

Just say no to picks/prospects as return for 27/83. (1. as the main piece anyways 2. outside of recent trop 5 picks, progressing nicely)

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#10 Spydyr
February 21 2011, 09:12AM
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~Did you see that wreck or a stadium in Calgary, McMahon. What a pit.The "count" never even mentioned Calgary needing a new stadium. Guess Katz never had a script wrote for him.~

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#12 @NateInVegas
February 21 2011, 09:18AM
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Adam Larsson only has 1 goal this year, there has to be concern about his offensive game.

It's not like the guy will come into the NHL for shutdown minutes as a rookie.

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#13 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:25AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Your right LT if they do trade Hemsky(god i hope not) then ST should replace his talent with someone of his calibur,talent for talent. If ST trades DPens instead then he should replace him with a Lucic or Downie type, might not get the 25 to 30 goals back in the trade but at least you get a big PHYSICAL player back with mean streak.

I agree with you, god I hope they don't trade Hemsky...unless he's stated to them he wants to go. He would make a great compliment going forward to the young talent that is getting better by the day.

If it's me I'm using Penner, Cogliano, Brule, Omark (no he can't replace Hemsky), some of the prospects (Hamilton, Pitlick, Martindale), draft picks, and any of our d-men outside of Whitney as trade bait to fill some of the holes.

The Oilers should target defense (it seems they are readily available)and some nasty, gritty forwards in a trade. They can draft a center in June (Couturier, Nugent-Hopkins, Strome, Huberdeau). With Lander coming in, things may not be as bad at center as it seems. Hall could also be a possible fit at center.

Trade chips don't necessarily have to be used at the trade deadline either...they could be held onto until June at the draft. There's also always a chance of signing a couple of UFA's to fill the physical player with a mean streak roles. Guys like Konopka, Eager are available.

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#14 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:28AM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Adam Larsson only has 1 goal this year, there has to be concern about his offensive game.

It's not like the guy will come into the NHL for shutdown minutes as a rookie.

I'm in the please don't draft Adam Larsson camp...Way too much of a risk.

I mean do we hear anything these days about Victor Hedman? Nobody even mentions him and 1st overall Erik Johnson has already now been traded for the first time....taking a d-man with a top 4 pick is too hit and miss.

Oilers, please, take a forward with the 1st rounder...

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#15 OilFan
February 21 2011, 09:31AM
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BTW, Gilbert will not be a Oiler by the start of next season. How is Simmonds a upgrade to Jones ? Trade the most talented forwards for two way players and role guys ?

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#16 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 09:32AM
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Some crazy rumours out their from reputable sources:

Why would Dallas consider a James Neal-Alex Goligoski swap? (Darren Dreger)

Colorado & LA talking Stastny? Stastny, Galiardi & a pick for J. Johnson, Bernier & Stoll? Can't see it. (Adrian Dater)

Avs also shopping Ryan O'Rielly & Liles... Liles I get, but O'Rielly? (Dater, The Fourth Period)

Also, Blue Jackets aren't interested in Souray. (Portzline)

Interesting times.

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#17 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:34AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Some crazy rumours out their from reputable sources:

Why would Dallas consider a James Neal-Alex Goligoski swap? (Darren Dreger)

Colorado & LA talking Stastny? Stastny, Galiardi & a pick for J. Johnson, Bernier & Stoll? Can't see it. (Adrian Dater)

Avs also shopping Ryan O'Rielly & Liles... Liles I get, but O'Rielly? (Dater, The Fourth Period)

Also, Blue Jackets aren't interested in Souray. (Portzline)

Interesting times.

Thanks for the updates RC....I'm not connected to the twitter world so I do appreciate hearing about the rumours that are floating around out there.

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#18 OilFan
February 21 2011, 09:36AM
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@RossCreekNation

not rumors you started lol. Also what makes Adrian Dater reputable ? He is as reputable as Matheson lol.

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#19 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 09:40AM
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@Crash

No prob my man.

With names like Stastny, O'Rielly & Neal being thrown out by MSM, you'd have to think ALL of them would look good here. BUT, Dallas is looking for a d-man for Neal, so he's unlikely. Stastny could be difficult to land (although I'd think Gagner or Hemsky could catch Avs attention). O'Rielly could be a real target, though.

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#20 RDS
February 21 2011, 09:42AM
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So if wingers are Jacks and Kings does that mean Center's are Queens? Just asking.

All this talk about trading 27 and 83 but the way I see it, if they are going to get a team to over pay, it will be a contender and it will be draft picks and maybe prospects not yet playing on the team. I think the oilers have enough draft picks and prospects, especially with another top 3 pick next year, so lets wait until summer and if either of them won't commit to management that they are here to stay then make a deal for a player already playing in the NHL, otherwise its another 30th place finish again next year.

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#21 Crash
February 21 2011, 09:49AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

No prob my man.

With names like Stastny, O'Rielly & Neal being thrown out by MSM, you'd have to think ALL of them would look good here. BUT, Dallas is looking for a d-man for Neal, so he's unlikely. Stastny could be difficult to land (although I'd think Gagner or Hemsky could catch Avs attention). O'Rielly could be a real target, though.

I like Neal's game. O'Reilly is certainly intriguing.

Also I'm one who doesn't want to see Hemsky or Gagner moved, unless Hemsky has requested it.

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#22 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 09:50AM
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I wonder if Tambby is "assesing the situation" with Goligoski, but IMO if hes talkin to Pittsburgh(they want a winger) about Penner or Hemsky then Id hope he'd want back Orpik or Letang *sidenote* Im on the don't trade Hemsky wagon btw

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#23 OilFan
February 21 2011, 09:50AM
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You would think that most the OILERS NATION wants the Oilers to trade all the best players ? Most people on this site are so pathedic they want the Oilers to lose for another draft pick. Don't get me wrong the pick is ok but to cheer to lose ? This rebuild has been going on for years already.

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#24 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 09:54AM
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Lowetide wrote:

The thing about Blain is that he was hurt early and has been a complete demon since. If he can sustain those numbers (he's got 21 points in his last 19 gp) there will be a lot of talk in the spring and summer about him.

I'm no draft historian but I think it's reasonable to suggest Stu Macgregor may have put together the best single-year draft performance of all time in 2010. It's early but the returns are truly off the charts. First 8 rounds have had phenomenal seasons and Czerwonka and the rest have at least met expectations. It's pretty much unheard of.

Not sure what role Sillinger has played, if any, but I am infinitely more confident in the drafting and development systems in place now. And the Oilers AHL affiliate looks to be playoff-bound! Thank god, when was the last time that happened...

If the Oilers lack 6s and 7s, they won't for long. Not with this crop on its way. Not to mention the potential k's.

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#25 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 10:02AM
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@OilFan

Via Rishaug, Souray clears. Surprised.

Don't know why that was to you OF

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#26 OilFan
February 21 2011, 10:05AM
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@RossCreekNation

Thanks anyway, keep up the updates please. YOU ARE THE INTERNET KING

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#27 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:09AM
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I understand the Stu MacGregor is the head scout but never is there a mention of the Oilers team of scouts. Stu gets his information from many of these scouts. It's not like he does all of this player evaluating by himself.

I agree that Stu has done a great job so far but we seem to give him all the credit. Kudos must go out to the team of scouts for what seems so far to be some excellent drafting.

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#28 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:11AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Via Rishaug, Souray clears. Surprised.

Don't know why that was to you OF

I'll bet you Souray is...now he knows, no one even wants him at half the price with only one year left on the contract.

I smell a buyout in the summer.

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#29 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 10:11AM
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Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

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#30 BigE91
February 21 2011, 10:14AM
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Have to agree with the camp that says keep 83 and 27 unless someone out there is willing to mortgage their future for a chance to win this year but it seems to me that any player the Oilers would want in return from a contender would likely be a valuable piece of his current teams puzzle. In other words I don't see trading Penner or Hemsky as a winning situation for the Oilers this year in fact it could very well push their rebuild back further.

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#32 magisterrex
February 21 2011, 10:24AM
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So Souray cleared re-entry waivers. Time for all the anti-Tambi folks to tell me why it's all his fault, and that he "mis-managed" this invaluable asset. Too slow, oft-injured, too stupid to keep his mouth shut, with 1 more year remaining on his contract, making too much money for what he's become. Perhaps all those armchair GMs who thought it was so simple to pick up the phone and trade him before his Spector interview should rethink their position.

I'm sorry that Sheldon chose the path he's now on, and I sincerely hope he's banking the paycheques he's receiving from the Oilers as he'll never see that kind of cash again.

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#33 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 10:25AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Via Rishaug, Souray clears. Surprised.

Don't know why that was to you OF

I wonder if ST has asked Souray about not getting claimed and how he feels about it lol ;)- dont wanna get the big guy upset now.....

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#34 chet
February 21 2011, 10:26AM
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To me this team has a huge issue with size, goal scoring, grit and battling along the boards. I think the oilers should move Hall to centre, you draft Landeskrog, who has size, grit, a goal scorer and a meanstreak, then your topline is Hall Eberle and Landeskrog. Now you have decisions to make; you either trade Penner or Hemsky or both and pick up defense and draft picks. Now try to get another pick into the top ten in the draft then you can draft huberdeau, mcneil or strome. Or you sign Hemsky and Penner to long term contracts, then you draft RNH or Couturier however you have to trade Omark and Gagner for a quality young defenseman. hopefully in the off season the oilers can bring in role players for the third and fourthline.

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#35 Team Hall
February 21 2011, 10:27AM
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@ Crash,

I agree with you on both counts. You don't trade a premium player like Hemsky unless its a homerun. Heads will roll if Tambi trades Hemmer for bits and 4th liners.

You don't usually draft a defenseman at #1 overall because its too risky. That's what picks 7-60 were invented for. Unless its Bobby Stinkin Orr, you don't do it. RNH or Couturier for #1, then Landy. I'm with you on that.

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#36 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:28AM
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Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

Wow, Hagman on waivers?...pretty soon that Phaneuf trade is going to look like:

Phaneuf for Stajan, Babchuk and Kostopoulos.

As far as Hagman goes IMO, the Oilers don't need a Hagman, they have enough softer forwards already, who are better options.

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#37 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:35AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Agreed. However, part of it comes from the fact that we don't know the scouts that well and the Oilers don't disclose info about their territories, etc.

There have been changes since Stu MacGregor took over, but we don't know all of the names. Too bad, but we have to go with what is available in terms of information.

I guess my ultimate point was that not many want to give Tambellini credit for the draft which most do when they are praising other GMs such as Holland or any other GM for that matter.

The Tambo haters go straight to Stu and give him all the credit when we all know by watching Oil Change that Stu has a team of scouts that he gets his info from. Yes, ultimately Stu makes the final decision amongst the scouts but then who makes the final decision after that? Plus I get this feeling that had it not been for the team of scouts driving it into Stu about Hall that Stu would have ultimately decided to make the mistake IMO of recommending the drafting of Seguin ahead of Hall.

I'm not a Tambellini lover or hater. But I do see a plan developing here...there were a lot of changes last summer. I suspect there will be many more again this summer.

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#38 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 10:36AM
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Can anybody tell me how David Musil is doin? If he's anything like his dad he might be a good pick in the draft this year, if he's avalible at the time.

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#39 BarryS
February 21 2011, 10:44AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

Why all the dumpster diving recommendations on this site? Very little of value thrown out in other teams garbage, especially guys on their 2nd or 3rd team. Waivers at deadline means no trade value. Oilers have enough "projects" already.

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#40 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 10:49AM
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CSimpson18 wrote:

Nik Hagman on waivers. 3.0mil, 1 year left then UFA. Speaking of 6s and 7s with experience, might be a decent pick up. This wouldnt surprise me as there aren't alot of better options in UFA this year.

Please... take him!

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#41 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 10:51AM
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Crash wrote:

Wow, Hagman on waivers?...pretty soon that Phaneuf trade is going to look like:

Phaneuf for Stajan, Babchuk and Kostopoulos.

As far as Hagman goes IMO, the Oilers don't need a Hagman, they have enough softer forwards already, who are better options.

Worst part about that trade, imo, was the inclusion of Keith Aulie. That could sting in 5 years. Well... it kind of already does.

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#42 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:53AM
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Worst part about that trade, imo, was the inclusion of Keith Aulie. That could sting in 5 years. Well... it kind of already does.

LOL, oh yah, forgot about Aulie....well it's not as bad as the Gilmour trade that happened so many years ago....or is it? lol

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#43 Crash
February 21 2011, 10:58AM
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One other possible Souray scenario that could happen. Now that he's cleared re-entry waivers he can be traded to anyone.

Is it possible that another team would be willing to trade a bad contract for a bad contract? Not sure what's out there, but just a thought.

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#44 OILERSORDEATH
February 21 2011, 11:03AM
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I was on the fence with trading Hemmer, but now I'm completely againts it. He an Oiler and should always be. Penner on the other hand is big and can score, but he lacks passion and pride. So its final keep Hemmer trade Penner. Penner and Cogs to LA for Simmonds, Martinez and Voyonov or Muzzin?

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#45 CSimpson18
February 21 2011, 11:03AM
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Please... take him!

You've watched Hagman all year, is he really that useless? He scored 69 goals the 3 seasons previous and I always saw him as a hard worker. 3mil sucks but edmonton doesn't really have to worry about it. Would he not be far better than JFJ or SMac for a bottom of the roster guy?

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#46 madjam
February 21 2011, 11:07AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Can anybody tell me how David Musil is doin? If he's anything like his dad he might be a good pick in the draft this year, if he's avalible at the time.

I really like Musil , love to see the Oilers pick him up if they have a chance to do so .

CREDIBILTY !! Someone would look pretty stupid if Oilers let Penner or Hemsky go if Oilers face any kind of sophomore jinx next season . Then what kind of credibilty would the Oilers have to entertain their fans ?

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#47 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 11:16AM
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No prob my man.

With names like Stastny, O'Rielly & Neal being thrown out by MSM, you'd have to think ALL of them would look good here. BUT, Dallas is looking for a d-man for Neal, so he's unlikely. Stastny could be difficult to land (although I'd think Gagner or Hemsky could catch Avs attention). O'Rielly could be a real target, though.

Is Couturer or RNH going to be better then Stastny?

I personally can't see it so how about something centerd around our 1st for Stastny?

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#48 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 11:20AM
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@CSimpson18

Its not so much about him being THAT bad, but more so about getting his $3M off the books in CGY for next season. The Flames payroll is all out of whack. With guys like Stajan & Hagman making 3+, it makes resigning Glencross that much harder. He wouldn't be a bad pickup for a team with cap space. I doubt that team is the Oilers though.

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#49 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 11:23AM
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BarryS wrote:

Why all the dumpster diving recommendations on this site? Very little of value thrown out in other teams garbage, especially guys on their 2nd or 3rd team. Waivers at deadline means no trade value. Oilers have enough "projects" already.

Look around the league, theirs plenty of waiver pick-ups playing at a high level.

I for one, am disapointed that we haven't used our waiver priority to at least try and snag a solid player.

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#50 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 11:26AM
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RossCreekNation wrote:

Worst part about that trade, imo, was the inclusion of Keith Aulie. That could sting in 5 years. Well... it kind of already does.

Phaneuf has been a real turd in TO though, I'd almost take Babchuk over Phaneuf straight up at this point.

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