More Kids in the Hall

Lowetide
February 21 2011 08:18AM

The Oilers already have their Jacks and Kings on the wing rolling over the next decade. They lack 6's and 7's and could use a complete defenseman and a workhorse 2-way C of the future. If they are to trade Hemsky and Penner, Steve Tambellini should be looking for a very specific return--young NHL players with a wide range of skills. 

  • GOALER: Oilers have Devan Dubnyk and he is enjoying a solid rookie season. They also have Nikolai Khabibulin under contract through the summer of 2013. However, goalie values have never been lower (there's an adequate goalie on almost every street corner) so picking up a goaler--even a highly touted one like the kind they grow in Washington--is probably an inadequate use of assets.
  • DEFENSE: The Oilers should have a couple of capable men from each of the veteran (Whitney, Gilbert) group and the department of youth (Peckham & Petry). Smid is a a dependable player (for the most part) who falls into the middle ground, meaning there are 5 names Tom Renney can look to next season. If they add Adam Larsson he'll get a long look, and the minor leagues/juniors boast some nice talents in Plante and Marincin. Kurtis Foster could also have a rebound season if the Oilers don't ship him off this week or in summer. Could they use a defenseman? Sure, but those young blue (like Bogosian) are so hard to acquire and the mid-level guys (like Teubert) aren't any more certain as prospects than guys like Peckham or Plante. Oilers already have those guys.
  • CENTER: This is an area where the club could really help themselves this week. The current big league roster boasts Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Reddox and Fraser up the middle. A team that comes calling for Hemsky or Penner could be successful if they are able to offer a young C with a nice range of skills. Someone in the entry level contract but already an NHL player. Maybe someone who can win a faceoff and has a mean streak.
  • LEFT WING: Oilers look well set on LW. Hall, Pääjärvi, Jones at the NHL level and talents like Teemu Hartikainen and Curtis Hamilton on the way. Oilers might have to pick up a checker during the summer, but again that's an abundant talent. Edmonton looks good all day on LW. They could use some sandpaper here too.
  • RIGHT WING: If they trade Hemsky, this is immediately an area of concern. Jordan Eberle is gifted but very young and lacks experience; Omark is gifted but has not yet completely earned the confidence of his coach. Brule could help here but I'm not certain the organization can count on him for next season (based on this season's difficulties). You can move Ryan Jones over, but so what? If--as rumored--Wayne Simmonds is coming over from LAK then the depth chart on RW looks better (Eberle, Omark, Simmonds). If they draft that kid Landeskog then the position will be a strength in no time, but it would likely be a season of painful growth in 10-11.

That's the way I see it. If the club deals Hemsky, they need to replace him on the depth chart with an actual NHL right wing. Futher areas of need include a complete defenseman (or someone who will grow into that role); a quality 2-way C (or someone growing into that role now) and grit throughout the batting order.

Wide range of skills. Two-way players. They don't grow on trees, but then again neither does talent like Ales Hemsky.

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#51 Tim S
February 21 2011, 11:37AM
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I think the point of the Col LA rumours is that they are looking for a goalie in Bernier. So nothing we could dream up from the Oilers could include young goalie that was very highly touted not too long ago.

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#52 9 Inches Uncut
February 21 2011, 11:37AM
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Crash wrote:

I guess my ultimate point was that not many want to give Tambellini credit for the draft which most do when they are praising other GMs such as Holland or any other GM for that matter.

The Tambo haters go straight to Stu and give him all the credit when we all know by watching Oil Change that Stu has a team of scouts that he gets his info from. Yes, ultimately Stu makes the final decision amongst the scouts but then who makes the final decision after that? Plus I get this feeling that had it not been for the team of scouts driving it into Stu about Hall that Stu would have ultimately decided to make the mistake IMO of recommending the drafting of Seguin ahead of Hall.

I'm not a Tambellini lover or hater. But I do see a plan developing here...there were a lot of changes last summer. I suspect there will be many more again this summer.

Tambi should get credit for trusting Stu and his scouts to make the right picks.

GMs don't deserve credit for the picks. I agree with you on that.

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#53 JL-HOPEkins
February 21 2011, 11:38AM
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OilFan wrote:

not rumors you started lol. Also what makes Adrian Dater reputable ? He is as reputable as Matheson lol.

Matheson is regarded as one of the more reputable sources in the league. But i do agree with your second comment about us wanting to lose. I think it's way more important for this team to want to win and have a winning culture then a lottery pick.

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#54 Oiltank
February 21 2011, 12:05PM
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The oilers would be foolish to trade Hemmer. He plays well with Taylor Hall and vice-versa. He wants to play here, loves the city and the fans love him for the most part (there will always be the armchair GM's who only point the negatives). Get rid of Penner, and keep Hemmer. The chemistry can only get better.

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#55 Kodiak
February 21 2011, 12:30PM
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I'm wondering if there might be something else in play with Souray as well. What would you think about a Hemsky, Souray and Smid for Dubinsky, Redden and Del Zotto or McDonagh deal?

Dubinsky is rfa and will be due a big raise. The Rangers are always cap tight and are deep at center with Stepan and Anisimov playing well. Dubinsky is young, big, leads the Rangers in scoring and is over 50% on face-offs.

Taking on Reddens cap hit would be tough but he's put up 30 points in 49 games this year and should be fine as a 3/4. The Rangers would get Hemsky for the rest of this year and next and get some cap relief swapping Dmen, and we get a #1 center and a good young Dman.

It would be a move I'm sure ST wouldn't be ballsy enough to make but one that would make sense to me.

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#56 Kodiak
February 21 2011, 12:36PM
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Oiltank wrote:

The oilers would be foolish to trade Hemmer. He plays well with Taylor Hall and vice-versa. He wants to play here, loves the city and the fans love him for the most part (there will always be the armchair GM's who only point the negatives). Get rid of Penner, and keep Hemmer. The chemistry can only get better.

He rarely ever plays with Hall except PP, which has been atrocious other than the last game. And I don't think you have any proof he wants to play here or loves the city other than a little lip service interview.

What is foolish is losing him to free agency without maximizing a return for him.

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#57 @NateInVegas
February 21 2011, 12:38PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Stastny is a good NHL comparable for Couturier.

RNH game is completely different from those two guys.

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#58 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 12:50PM
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@Kodiak

Considering neither Souray or Redden currently count against the cap, and Hemsky/Smid each make more than Dubinsky/Del Zotto, the Rangers would actually be taking on salary. Doesn't make sense... at least with Souray & Redden involved.

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#59 DoubleJ
February 21 2011, 12:51PM
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Hagman is on waivers... Would he be a good fit?

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#60 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
February 21 2011, 12:58PM
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DoubleJ wrote:

Hagman is on waivers... Would he be a good fit?

3 mill cap hit next year before he's a UFA. A little too rich for my liking.

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#61 Dave
February 21 2011, 01:21PM
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Newbie question - why did the Oilers put Souray on waivers ?

I am not sure I understand what is going on here.

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#62 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 01:37PM
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Dave wrote:

Newbie question - why did the Oilers put Souray on waivers ?

I am not sure I understand what is going on here.

*pats dave on head* they put him on waivers to see if any other GM would take Sourays injuries and his contract, no GM claimed him so i imagine he'll be "sent" back down.

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#64 RossCreekNation
February 21 2011, 01:56PM
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WOW! Dallas trades James Neal & Matt Niskanen to Pit for Alex Goligoski, as per McKenzie.

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#65 Kodiak
February 21 2011, 02:01PM
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@RossCreekNation

True enough although I was thinking more future cap space. Dubinsky gets a big raise in the offseason and they have Callahan, Anisimov, Boyle and Gilroy up for some healthy raises as well. The Rangers do have enough capspace right now to take on Hemsky/Smid, and when they lose Frolov and Prospal to ufa they should be able to sign their remaining rfa's and still have Hemsky in the lineup.

Do you think the Rangers trade Redden straight up for Souray? Of course they do. Whether he counts against the cap or not and deep pockets or not, I'm sure the Rangers are not wanting to pay Redden that salary in the minors for the next 4 years. And you are not getting a #1 center straight up for Hemsky. We can use Redden and if getting a young, face-off winning, scoring center means we take on Reddens contract then I say we should seriously consider it.

I just don't see how else we can get a decent first line center other than to take on bad salary in return in part of a deal. Waiting 2 or 3 years for our center prospects to develop is time a player like Dubinsky can be developing chemistry and growing with the young players right now.

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#66 TonyT
February 21 2011, 02:10PM
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@RossCreekNation

Stars got fleeced in my mind...What's the news on Goligoski because this seems extremely one-sided. I would've traded Horcoff's good eye for James Neal, I'm glad the Oilers no longer have to deal with him.

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#67 esa tikannen
February 21 2011, 02:17PM
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If i am the oilers i would call pittsburgh and try to get neal for hemsky right now. Only trade that makes sense - skilled forward for power forward

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#68 derrickhands
February 21 2011, 02:19PM
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LT your LW checker would be Curtis Hamilton, he's doing a excellent job at it in Saskatoon and played that role in WJC. You could also consider Anton Lander for that role, he's played a couple of games this year at LW. The most important thing the Oilers need on this team is that big right handed shot Center. Cogliano, Gagner, Reddox and Fraser are not physical enough or good enough in the face-off to do the job. I would like to see Gagner stay, but he's going have to improve his game.

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#69 Clint
February 21 2011, 02:31PM
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Don't trade hemsky or penner. Please. Losing either player would set the franchise back in a massive way. Stay the course. Fill in defenseman in free agency. Draft a centerman in the first round. Don't get caught up in all of this bunk trade talk

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#70 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 02:35PM
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esa tikannen wrote:

If i am the oilers i would call pittsburgh and try to get neal for hemsky right now. Only trade that makes sense - skilled forward for power forward

really!?....neal for hemsky...seriously, maybe Penner for Neal

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#73 a lg dubl dubl
February 21 2011, 02:41PM
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Id like to know what ST might have had to give up for Goligoski(if he even inquired about him) might have missed the boat on that deal...AGAIN

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#74 Zarf
February 21 2011, 02:43PM
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Clint wrote:

Don't trade hemsky or penner. Please. Losing either player would set the franchise back in a massive way. Stay the course. Fill in defenseman in free agency. Draft a centerman in the first round. Don't get caught up in all of this bunk trade talk

Ladies and gentlemen, we may have just found the most sane, sober and reasonable one among us.

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#75 Dennis
February 21 2011, 02:43PM
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I posted this over at LT's real home;) but in light of what Matheson read today I think we all have four more games to enjoy 83 and then he's as good as gone.

First off, when's the last time an Oiler was talked about being traded this much and it Didn't happen?

There are two issues here

1. are we sure we can't resign him? 2. who believes we'll get a real player back.

If Lowe could move a value contract and Norris Trophy winner in Pronger and he couldn't even get Perry back - nevermind Getzlaf - then how can we not fret today over what's coming back for 83?

I mean just look at what Matheson's floating:

- Schenn isn't available - Teubert's the dman of choice - Oilers like Simmonds and he's available.

I mean it's already being laid out here.

This reminds me of when they dealt 94 because heading into that deadline day we all knew what was going on with the contract talks and everyday he wasn't signed you had a feeling his era in edm was over.

well here we got a few signs of warning and it's flashing in a large way.

Primarily - and through Matheson and the guy's plugged in and this stuff happens all the time - the Oilers are letting it be known that 83 is certainly available and most likely will be moved. And just to rub it in we already know the Kings best prospect or young player isn't available and Lowe always falls for that move; so, Matty basically puts it out there so everyone's ready for the heartache but they already know Lowe couldn't get Schenn so we can only blame him so much!!

So, given what Matty wrote today, you can mark this sucker down.

83's as good as gone and we'll get the Kings second best prospects in all regards.

but it won't be Lowe's fault because everyone's out to get him and no one gives him their best players but he still has to make the deals you know.

Note: everyone knows Lowe pulls the strings on Tambo so that's why I refer to him as the GM.

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#76 andrewmk20
February 21 2011, 02:46PM
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Zarf wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, we may have just found the most sane, sober and reasonable one among us.

I agree with this. The only reason to deal those two are if they don't want to resign here.

Also what are the rumours about the Kings and Wayne Simmonds?

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#77 DoubleJ
February 21 2011, 02:48PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Id like to know what ST might have had to give up for Goligoski(if he even inquired about him) might have missed the boat on that deal...AGAIN

I think the price was pretty steep if you ask me. Neal by himself should have been plenty for Goligoski.

I think Tambi missed the boat on trying to get Neal.

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#78 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 02:51PM
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@NateInVegas wrote:

Stastny is a good NHL comparable for Couturier.

RNH game is completely different from those two guys.

And I don't think either will ever be better then what Stastny is.

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#79 Skidplate
February 21 2011, 02:51PM
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DoubleJ wrote:

I think the price was pretty steep if you ask me. Neal by himself should have been plenty for Goligoski.

I think Tambi missed the boat on trying to get Neal.

How do you know ST didn't try to get Neal? It mights be possible that Dallas did not want to trade within the division.

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#80 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 02:57PM
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Dennis wrote:

I posted this over at LT's real home;) but in light of what Matheson read today I think we all have four more games to enjoy 83 and then he's as good as gone.

First off, when's the last time an Oiler was talked about being traded this much and it Didn't happen?

There are two issues here

1. are we sure we can't resign him? 2. who believes we'll get a real player back.

If Lowe could move a value contract and Norris Trophy winner in Pronger and he couldn't even get Perry back - nevermind Getzlaf - then how can we not fret today over what's coming back for 83?

I mean just look at what Matheson's floating:

- Schenn isn't available - Teubert's the dman of choice - Oilers like Simmonds and he's available.

I mean it's already being laid out here.

This reminds me of when they dealt 94 because heading into that deadline day we all knew what was going on with the contract talks and everyday he wasn't signed you had a feeling his era in edm was over.

well here we got a few signs of warning and it's flashing in a large way.

Primarily - and through Matheson and the guy's plugged in and this stuff happens all the time - the Oilers are letting it be known that 83 is certainly available and most likely will be moved. And just to rub it in we already know the Kings best prospect or young player isn't available and Lowe always falls for that move; so, Matty basically puts it out there so everyone's ready for the heartache but they already know Lowe couldn't get Schenn so we can only blame him so much!!

So, given what Matty wrote today, you can mark this sucker down.

83's as good as gone and we'll get the Kings second best prospects in all regards.

but it won't be Lowe's fault because everyone's out to get him and no one gives him their best players but he still has to make the deals you know.

Note: everyone knows Lowe pulls the strings on Tambo so that's why I refer to him as the GM.

You are closing in on a DeepOil level of obssesion with Lowe being the GM.

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#81 Dennis
February 21 2011, 02:59PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Agreed. Neal is a fine player, that was a terrific trade for Penguins.

LT: regarding young Hamilton, concerning we're about a week from cresting Wayne Simmonds but it's worth bringing up that he was a hard-nosed winger who made the jump from juniors to the NHL just like Hamilton might next year.

I'm not saying Hamilton will or that it's a good idea but I just thought I'd point out the comparison.

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#82 jaicee
February 21 2011, 02:59PM
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Dennis wrote:

I posted this over at LT's real home;) but in light of what Matheson read today I think we all have four more games to enjoy 83 and then he's as good as gone.

First off, when's the last time an Oiler was talked about being traded this much and it Didn't happen?

There are two issues here

1. are we sure we can't resign him? 2. who believes we'll get a real player back.

If Lowe could move a value contract and Norris Trophy winner in Pronger and he couldn't even get Perry back - nevermind Getzlaf - then how can we not fret today over what's coming back for 83?

I mean just look at what Matheson's floating:

- Schenn isn't available - Teubert's the dman of choice - Oilers like Simmonds and he's available.

I mean it's already being laid out here.

This reminds me of when they dealt 94 because heading into that deadline day we all knew what was going on with the contract talks and everyday he wasn't signed you had a feeling his era in edm was over.

well here we got a few signs of warning and it's flashing in a large way.

Primarily - and through Matheson and the guy's plugged in and this stuff happens all the time - the Oilers are letting it be known that 83 is certainly available and most likely will be moved. And just to rub it in we already know the Kings best prospect or young player isn't available and Lowe always falls for that move; so, Matty basically puts it out there so everyone's ready for the heartache but they already know Lowe couldn't get Schenn so we can only blame him so much!!

So, given what Matty wrote today, you can mark this sucker down.

83's as good as gone and we'll get the Kings second best prospects in all regards.

but it won't be Lowe's fault because everyone's out to get him and no one gives him their best players but he still has to make the deals you know.

Note: everyone knows Lowe pulls the strings on Tambo so that's why I refer to him as the GM.

Interesting take.

I guess we'll have to sit tight and see what happens over the next week.

There are definitely valid arguement for and against trading Hemsky at/before the deadline.

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#83 stevezie
February 21 2011, 03:02PM
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Neal and Niskanen? Is Gologoski way, way, way better than his numbers indicate?

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#84 Dennis
February 21 2011, 03:03PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

You are closing in on a DeepOil level of obssesion with Lowe being the GM.

There's no obsession: it's just me putting two and two together.

Lowe was broken over the 94 trade: right down to the fact he didn't have the guts to show up at Rexall almost immediately after when one of the old guard was hoisted to the rafters.

Tambo was a guy who was passed over Twice by his own organization.

Twice.

He couldn't get a job anywhere else.

They knew each other from the Can National team program and what a chance for Lowe to still have power but not to have to face the fire: hire a guy who's so desperate for a GM job and has so many few options that he'll certainly take a puppet's role.

Granted, I have massaged some of this but there are a lot of facts in there as well. Still, it's something that I Think fits together.

But something I've seen with my own two eyes is the scene from the premier ep of Oil Change when both guys are in the back of the mini-van.

Go watch that and tell me who's in charge.

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#85 Zarf
February 21 2011, 03:04PM
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Well, everyone, I think we can officially rule out Hemsky to Pittsburgh now.

Good for Pittsburgh, though. They finally got a winger for Sid. Finally.

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#86 Dennis
February 21 2011, 03:09PM
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stevezie wrote:

Neal and Niskanen? Is Gologoski way, way, way better than his numbers indicate?

The young former Pens dman is on a heckuva value contract - 1.85 mill I believe - but outside of that I can't see how this isn't a huge win for Shero and the Pens.

Now you have Crosby-Kunitz and Staal-Neal and if that works out you deal Malkin for some wingers because their D's pretty much set for the next few years.

I haven't checked BTN but I doubt Gologoski's playing tough opp so that takes some of the shine off his big plus/minus number.

This looks like the Pens trading from depth to address a weakness and the Stars hoping that the young D's gonna be able to take the ball and spring - not run - with it.

Also, there must be another Jamie Benn type in the Stars org ready to take the leap if they are so content with dealing off Neal.

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#87 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 03:14PM
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@Dennis

I see a very different management style since Tambellini "took over", now that doesn't mean he is 100% in control, but it tells me he very well could be.

That said, I would imagine most major decisions are made as a group, and I'd also bet heavy that almost every team in the league is run similarly (to varying degrees)

Everything seems to be a bigger deal in the little fishbowl filled with conspiracy hunters, that is Edmonton though.

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#88 Zarf
February 21 2011, 03:14PM
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Dude...

Calm down. Take a breath.

Lowe's not the GM, anymore. You can relax.

Please don't tell me you're going to cite two people sharing a conversation and a ride in a Chrysler minivan as proof-positive that Lowe is pulling the strings. Sharing an airport-shuttle ride is not really the same as sharing the same brain.

More importantly, Darryl Katz did not became a jillionaire hiring people into redundant positions. If he had wanted K-Lowe to work as the GM behind-the-scenes, he would have kept him as GM ... uh ... in-front-of-the-scenes.

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#89 9 Inches Uncut
February 21 2011, 03:16PM
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Dennis wrote:

There's no obsession: it's just me putting two and two together.

Lowe was broken over the 94 trade: right down to the fact he didn't have the guts to show up at Rexall almost immediately after when one of the old guard was hoisted to the rafters.

Tambo was a guy who was passed over Twice by his own organization.

Twice.

He couldn't get a job anywhere else.

They knew each other from the Can National team program and what a chance for Lowe to still have power but not to have to face the fire: hire a guy who's so desperate for a GM job and has so many few options that he'll certainly take a puppet's role.

Granted, I have massaged some of this but there are a lot of facts in there as well. Still, it's something that I Think fits together.

But something I've seen with my own two eyes is the scene from the premier ep of Oil Change when both guys are in the back of the mini-van.

Go watch that and tell me who's in charge.

I think the return for Penner or Hemsky will really tell me if Lowe is still involved in the GM game.

If that LA rumour comes to fruition then his stink is still in the GM chair.

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#90 Dennis
February 21 2011, 03:26PM
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Zarf wrote:

Dude...

Calm down. Take a breath.

Lowe's not the GM, anymore. You can relax.

Please don't tell me you're going to cite two people sharing a conversation and a ride in a Chrysler minivan as proof-positive that Lowe is pulling the strings. Sharing an airport-shuttle ride is not really the same as sharing the same brain.

More importantly, Darryl Katz did not became a jillionaire hiring people into redundant positions. If he had wanted K-Lowe to work as the GM behind-the-scenes, he would have kept him as GM ... uh ... in-front-of-the-scenes.

did Katz hire MacGregor?

OK, well tell me something really good that he's done since he was hired. Did he sign off on the Quinn hiring? Probably. Well that wasn't a good move and now he's paying him to do nothing, isn't he?

Katz might have made his money in other areas but that doesn't make him a visionary or ahead of the curve when it comes to running a hockey club. Personally, Lowe has so much power in your city that I think it's worth whatever Katz is paying him so he can eat breakfast eight days a week and glad-hand and be the face of the team; and then Lowe gets to have final say as well but without taking the flack. So, a nice thank you from Katz in that regard.

I know people share shuttles;) BTW, but I also know a kiss-a$$ and a guy without the ultimate power when I see it.

So, do I think Lowe does everything that a GM would do? No, I don't. but would I bet he has final say on the big moves?

Yes I certainly would.

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#91 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 03:27PM
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9 Inches Uncut wrote:

I think the return for Penner or Hemsky will really tell me if Lowe is still involved in the GM game.

If that LA rumour comes to fruition then his stink is still in the GM chair.

The real stink comes from fans that don't understand the nature of trading for futures.

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#92 Clint
February 21 2011, 03:48PM
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@OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F

Good teams...Champions don't trade for futures. They draft and keep them. And then they steal your teams good players. Players like hemsky and penner History shows you keep your best players and trade for better ones. Trading for futures is a fools game

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#93 yegCopywriter
February 21 2011, 03:52PM
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I was talking to a well-connected Edmonton media guy a couple of months ago and asked him, "how much of a say does Lowe have these days?"

His reply was, "More than you think. Tambo does the groundwork, works the phones...but when it comes to making the final call, that's Lowe."

That supports what Dennis is suggesting. I wouldn't say that's a conspiracy.

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#94 derrickhands
February 21 2011, 03:59PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The real stink comes from fans that don't understand the nature of trading for futures.

Also some fans want ST to make a bad trade like the rumored LA Simmonds trade (have to be on drugs to believe that one would happen) so they can complain some more and hopefully get rid of him. The Boston Wheeler for Hemsky was a better trade then the Simmonds one and that one didn't happen. What makes you think the Simmonds one will. There is still a lot more buyers then sellers and as the trade deadline get closer the more desperate these's buyers are going to get, so just wait and see

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#95 9 Inches Uncut
February 21 2011, 04:00PM
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OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

The real stink comes from fans that don't understand the nature of trading for futures.

YEah dude. Teuberts future is dim. Like you.

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#96 Shane
February 21 2011, 04:02PM
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Im scared!

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#97 Zarf
February 21 2011, 04:16PM
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First of all, you’ve asked for a few “really good” things Tambo has done since he was hired. OK... He drafted Taylor over Tyler. He signed Quinn ... which was obviously a mistake but then he made up for it by switching to Renney after one year with Quinn (I realize I’m spinning that, but don’t under-estimate the courage of that decision – that was a rather abrupt change of horses). Uh ... what else? He found Ryan Jones on waivers. He cut loose a bunch of dead weight last year, including Staois. He took a principled stand on Sheldon Souray (I’m spinning again, but that’s still a ballsy stance he’s taken and he hasn’t waivered on it). He’s made a commitment to playing the kids, come hell or high water. He’s recognized the value of a strong AHL club and he’s building something there.

The mistakes – signing Khabby, originally picking Quinn as coach, signing Fraser, failing to find (or even search for) a faceoff guy – are regrettable but certainly not firing offences.

Interesting that you would assume that “Lowe has so much power in YOUR city.” I don’t live in Edmonton. I live in Grande Prairie. And I only make that distinction because it’s a central tenet of all this speculation on what Kevin Lowe does and doesn’t do in the organization. The thing is, none of us really has a friggin’ clue how it works in the background because NONE OF US WORK IN THE OILERS FRONT OFFICE.

However, let’s take it as granted that Kevin Lowe is in on hockey decisions. Is his title not “President of Hockey Operations?” Player transactions, scouting, contracts, coaching decision – all of those would seem to fall under “hockey operations,” no?

Surely you can’t think that Kevin Lowe is in charge of ordering sock-tape and overseeing the minor-league system. Of course he’s going to be in on decisions. I have no idea – like I say, I’m up in the sticks – but if I was working in that office, I’d assume that he’d be in on moves. I’d expect it.

The days of Glen Sather holding three or four different titles (coach, GM, president of hockey operations and majordomo), are long-gone. Teams are absolutely run by committee nowadays – perhaps not all of them, but many of them. And I don’t think Edmonton’s is run any worse than the others that are.

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#98 DSF
February 21 2011, 05:31PM
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Zarf wrote:

First of all, you’ve asked for a few “really good” things Tambo has done since he was hired. OK... He drafted Taylor over Tyler. He signed Quinn ... which was obviously a mistake but then he made up for it by switching to Renney after one year with Quinn (I realize I’m spinning that, but don’t under-estimate the courage of that decision – that was a rather abrupt change of horses). Uh ... what else? He found Ryan Jones on waivers. He cut loose a bunch of dead weight last year, including Staois. He took a principled stand on Sheldon Souray (I’m spinning again, but that’s still a ballsy stance he’s taken and he hasn’t waivered on it). He’s made a commitment to playing the kids, come hell or high water. He’s recognized the value of a strong AHL club and he’s building something there.

The mistakes – signing Khabby, originally picking Quinn as coach, signing Fraser, failing to find (or even search for) a faceoff guy – are regrettable but certainly not firing offences.

Interesting that you would assume that “Lowe has so much power in YOUR city.” I don’t live in Edmonton. I live in Grande Prairie. And I only make that distinction because it’s a central tenet of all this speculation on what Kevin Lowe does and doesn’t do in the organization. The thing is, none of us really has a friggin’ clue how it works in the background because NONE OF US WORK IN THE OILERS FRONT OFFICE.

However, let’s take it as granted that Kevin Lowe is in on hockey decisions. Is his title not “President of Hockey Operations?” Player transactions, scouting, contracts, coaching decision – all of those would seem to fall under “hockey operations,” no?

Surely you can’t think that Kevin Lowe is in charge of ordering sock-tape and overseeing the minor-league system. Of course he’s going to be in on decisions. I have no idea – like I say, I’m up in the sticks – but if I was working in that office, I’d assume that he’d be in on moves. I’d expect it.

The days of Glen Sather holding three or four different titles (coach, GM, president of hockey operations and majordomo), are long-gone. Teams are absolutely run by committee nowadays – perhaps not all of them, but many of them. And I don’t think Edmonton’s is run any worse than the others that are.

Signing Khabibulin to that contract WAS a firing offense.

And everything that has transpired since that day has confirmed it...his MVP status notwithstanding.

If the team is run by committee, as you say, and the Chairman of the committee bears ultimate responsibility.

If either the Chairman or Vice Chairman of the committee manages to bungle Hemsky and Penner's expiring contracts, would they both bear culpability?

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#99 oil#78
February 21 2011, 05:34PM
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Clint wrote:

Good teams...Champions don't trade for futures. They draft and keep them. And then they steal your teams good players. Players like hemsky and penner History shows you keep your best players and trade for better ones. Trading for futures is a fools game

Excellent comment Clint. Nail on the head.

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#100 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
February 21 2011, 05:38PM
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Clint wrote:

Good teams...Champions don't trade for futures. They draft and keep them. And then they steal your teams good players. Players like hemsky and penner History shows you keep your best players and trade for better ones. Trading for futures is a fools game

Nice sweeping generalization, but it happens all the time. Especially when dealing with rentals/guys that demand a trade.

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