Colten Teubert

Jonathan Willis
February 28 2011 02:45PM

Colten Teubert was selected 13th overall in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, nine spots earlier than Jordan Eberle. He was one of a number of highly-touted Kings prospects prior to being traded to Edmonton in the Dustin Penner deal earlier today.

What kind of player is he?

From THN’s 2008 Draft Preview:

Teubert is a classic defensive defenseman who excels in the shutdown aspect of the game and plays with a pretty wide mean streak. “He’s not as polished as [Luke] Schenn, but he’s meaner than Schenn,” one scout said. “He’s a nasty guy to play against.” One scout said Teubert might tumble on draft day because he can be a little erratic and compared him to Bryan Marchment. Another scout wonders what all the fuss is about with Teubert. “I think he’s a little overrated,” the scout said. “He has pretty average hockey sense. He has good size and mobility and he competes, but I think his hockey sense keeps him from being a top pick.”

Those quotes have held up pretty well since draft day. I’ve seen early comments on Teubert placing the emphasis on where he was taken in the NHL draft, but the reality is that Teubert is not a marquee prospect at this point. If the Oilers wanted to turn around and move him at the draft, I’d wager heavy money that they would be unable to turn him into another first round draft pick, despite the time he has spent developing.

Physically, the strengths are the same now as they were on draft day. Teubert has good size (6’4”, 195lbs), and he’s still a nasty player. He’s willing to drop the gloves, although he isn’t really a brawler (four fights so far this season in the AHL). His straight-line speed and acceleration are pretty good for a player of his size. He’s a right-handed shot. Teubert was also the captain in Regina and despite occasional questions about discipline leadership has been mentioned as a plus all down the line.

Unfortunately, the negatives in his game have not disappeared. Teubert’s offensive game has been non-existent as a professional. Questions about his decision making still exist. His skating is generally a plus, but as McKeen’s put it a few years ago, “he can be sluggish in pivots and vulnerable to outside speed.”

Ultimately for Los Angeles, Teubert was expendable. Alec Martinez made the jump to the NHL from Manchester earlier this year, and Jake Muzzin has seen action in the show as well. After those two, the Kings had Vyacheslav Voynov, who is enjoying a tremendous season with Manchester (59GP – 12G – 28A – 40PTS, +15) as well as Thomas Hickey. Derek Forbort is also in the system, although not yet at the professional level.

In the Oilers system, Teubert’s best comparable is probably Alex Plante, and I imagine that he’ll slot in at around that spot on the depth chart – behind Jeff Petry and Taylor Chorney, but still an option for an NHL recall. I don’t expect that we will see him playing for the Oilers this season, and given his age and the other options in the system it seems likely that he will start 2011-12 in Oklahoma City.

All things considered, Teubert’s a nice prospect but not a spectacular one, with most estimates having him as a future depth defender at the NHL level.

74b7cedc5d8bfbe88cf071309e98d2c3
Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
Avatar
#151 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
March 01 2011, 08:40AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Jonathan Willis wrote:
You want Voynov of Forbort? Why are they any better than Teubert? Pretty sure Macgregor had a say in this and if they wanted Voyonov they would've gotten him.

Voynov and Forbort are miles better than Teubert as prospects at this point. I could list many, many reasons why either is better, but here's the simplest one: at the same age, Voynov's a #1 AHL defenceman who plays in all situations while Teubert's a third-pairing guy who is carefully managed.

I'm 99% certain the Oilers did not ask for Teubert over Voynov.

How are you that certain? Do you really see a need for another small puckmover that seems to be looking at the KHL?

Avatar
#152 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 01 2011, 08:40AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach

"Just seems like people don't exactly pay attention to deadline deals and think our players are worth so much more."

And that's really why these proven for futures are sucker trades.

The only time you should really be trading for draft picks/prospects (outside of lotto picks/elite prospects of course) is when either your hand is forced or you simply want to dump a player.

Avatar
#153 oilerman53
March 01 2011, 08:40AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Jonathan Willis

I think that with all the team developing their games at this level. Teubert is going to fit right in with an emerging team. He may never grow into any certain type of high scoring defenceman who piles up points and makes end to end rushes but really in the playoffs. This guys value is going to come out with his nastiness. You need guys who are willing to battle and battle hard for the team. All I needed to hear was that he is a nasty player to play against and really that could be all for me.

With Teubert, Plante and Teddy Peckman(I love this name, thank you Don Cherry!) You can bet the skill we have on this team is going to be well taken care of. You wanna know another player who wasn't very mobile and kinda slow but had a mean streak and could throw thundering hits? Scott Stevens, I know Stevens was a point producer in his early days. But as he got older he was the ultimate thumper, mean tough and nasty and had the tendency to throw huge open ice hits. All he did as he got older was win Cups.

Avatar
#154 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
March 01 2011, 08:42AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Jonathan Willis wrote:
Heck look at what it took COL to get E.Johnson. A younger cheaper more physical Penner with a lot more potential, plus they had to add a young puck moving d-man.

While I think Tambellini got all that could be realistically expected for Penner... please tell me you didn't just compare Erik Johnson to Colten Teubert.

No I didn't, but at the sametime Stewart>>>Penner.

I'm just more throwing out the notion that it isn't all that easy to get young roster players with potential.

Avatar
#155 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
March 01 2011, 08:44AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Jonathan Willis

Hey Willis, I know this isn't really related to Colten Teubert or Dustin Penner, or really the trade deadline at all... but I've got something you might be interested in taking a look at from a stats perspective.

Vancouver has an interesting goalie coming up through their system. Eddie Lack is tearing it up with the Moose this season, and given that he's a big guy (6'4" per canucks.nhl.com) who's only 23 years old, I thought he might be an interesting comparable to Dubnyk and Deslauriers. Might even be something the Oilers should consider due to the fact that Luongo's not going anywhere, and Schneider is about as solid as a back-up goalie gets at his age.

I'm no expert on goalies, but by my eye he's been exceptional.

Avatar
#156 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
March 01 2011, 08:44AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

"Just seems like people don't exactly pay attention to deadline deals and think our players are worth so much more."

And that's really why these proven for futures are sucker trades.

The only time you should really be trading for draft picks/prospects (outside of lotto picks/elite prospects of course) is when either your hand is forced or you simply want to dump a player.

Probably, but it's not the end of the world. We'd most likely have a bigger headache today if Belle was the only one dealt. I wanted to keep Penner, but if he were to be dealt I really didn't expect much more.

Edit: I'd also add given what Versteeg and Boyes went for, we did really well on the return.

Avatar
#157 DoubleJ
March 01 2011, 08:49AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Hey JW

Whats your take on why some players on a 30th place team were not traded?

Why would we keep Vandermeer? And do we need more time to evaluate Smid.

Just want your take onit.

Avatar
#158 Lochenzo
March 01 2011, 09:00AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

I would have preferred Forbort over Teubert as well. But it is what it is. There's no rush to get him in the Bigs. Let's get to work on improving his defensive reads. You CAN learn to be a smarter hockey player. You can't teach size and it's hard to teach nastyness without driving a guy to drink.

Avatar
#159 It's Hall Over!
March 01 2011, 09:01AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Willis, do you really think the Oilers could have gotten Voynov, a 1st and a 3rd round pick from LA?

I highly doubt the 1st round pick would have been in play with Voynov. So what's the better return then? Voynov for Penner or the package we got?

Avatar
#160 Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach
March 01 2011, 09:10AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
It's Hall Over! wrote:

Willis, do you really think the Oilers could have gotten Voynov, a 1st and a 3rd round pick from LA?

I highly doubt the 1st round pick would have been in play with Voynov. So what's the better return then? Voynov for Penner or the package we got?

ST and Stu obviously think the package was the better deal.

Avatar
#161 6 ring circus
March 01 2011, 09:51AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

LA wins this deal today,Edmonton wins the deal at the end of this year and moving forward.Anyone who thinks Penner was going to re sign here should give there head a shake,he has a home in LA,his wife is an actress and it did not look to me that he was devasted like Ryan Smyth was when he was traded.

Avatar
#162 Lawrence D Berg
March 01 2011, 10:08AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

They should pair AJ Thelen and Teubert together next year on the Oikers 2nd pairing as a shutdown tandem

Avatar
#163 Boris
March 01 2011, 10:13AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Lochenzo wrote:

I would have preferred Forbort over Teubert as well. But it is what it is. There's no rush to get him in the Bigs. Let's get to work on improving his defensive reads. You CAN learn to be a smarter hockey player. You can't teach size and it's hard to teach nastyness without driving a guy to drink.

Props to you Lochenzo,

We need nasty and big on our team and not everyone can be a top 1-2 defenseman. The Oilers also have gained $4+million of salary/cap space. I liked Penner but it is what it is, continue to re-build!!!

Avatar
#164 Hemmercules
March 01 2011, 10:34AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I hate these trades. We will never really know how good the return is for a couple years and we get to watch one of our top players go to a playoff team. For a team already wearing thin on fan patience this only makes it worse. Penner didn't always look like he was giving 100% but I'm pretty sure his play will be missed here now that he's gone. Cap space is all fine and dandy too, but for a team with such a huge problem signing ufa players, tons of cap space will only help with trades. If they want ufa's this summer there will have to be some major overpaymnet for sure. I just feel like the rebuild got pushed back with this trade, big summer ahead.

Avatar
#165 Bacon Nachos
March 01 2011, 11:07AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

To all who say, oh we don't have cap space problems, or cap space is only useful if we sign UFAs, keep in mind the cap space we haven't isn't truly 'free space'.

In two more seasons, Hall, Eberle, and Paajarvi are up for negotiation. As of now, I think most people here would say we need to keep them. And the 900k hit is definitely going to go up, the only question is how much.

Avatar
#166 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 01 2011, 11:10AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Bacon Nachos wrote:

To all who say, oh we don't have cap space problems, or cap space is only useful if we sign UFAs, keep in mind the cap space we haven't isn't truly 'free space'.

In two more seasons, Hall, Eberle, and Paajarvi are up for negotiation. As of now, I think most people here would say we need to keep them. And the 900k hit is definitely going to go up, the only question is how much.

Cap space doesn't carry forward. So yes, it is only useful if used.

Avatar
#167 Crash
March 01 2011, 11:18AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers
Bacon Nachos wrote:

To all who say, oh we don't have cap space problems, or cap space is only useful if we sign UFAs, keep in mind the cap space we haven't isn't truly 'free space'.

In two more seasons, Hall, Eberle, and Paajarvi are up for negotiation. As of now, I think most people here would say we need to keep them. And the 900k hit is definitely going to go up, the only question is how much.

Just for info sake....The cap hit for each of Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi is more than the 900k you have listed.

Hall's hit is 3.75 mil, Paajarvi's is 1.525 mil and Eberle's is 1.16 mil.

This is due to the bonus structures in their contracts. More than likely in their next contracts their bonus structures will be replaced with actual salary. Yes their cap hits will still likely go up or at least Hall's and Eberle's will but it's not rising from 900k it's rising from higher than that.

Avatar
#168 TigerUnderGlass
March 01 2011, 11:24AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I wanted to comment about something slightly off topic, but people have been wondering why players like Vandermeer (who I know was fully expecting a trade) were not moved.

I believe that, given the emphasis placed on the team in OKC, these players were not moved specifically to aid in the development of defensemen on the farm by a) helping OKC stay as competitive as possible, and b) allowing guys to keep developing down there so they aren't forced into NHL action early and pushed into the deep end.

I could be wrong, and maybe I'm giving management too much credit, but I think keeping those guys here could potentially do more for the development of our future defense than drafting a couple of extra third rounders.

It also might not help at all but at least if this was their thinking it shows some semblance of a plan and a serious dedication to maintaining the farm as a good place to learn hockey. I can get behind that.

Avatar
#169 Oilerfan9987
March 01 2011, 11:26AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Ogden Brother Jr. - Team Strudwick for coach wrote:

How are you that certain? Do you really see a need for another small puckmover that seems to be looking at the KHL?

Well the trade was good the Oilers won it and by far but it will be4 good for the future of the team!

Avatar
#170 Captain Obvious
March 01 2011, 11:29AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

Those of you who like this deal have your head in the sands and don't have a good understanding of the value, or lack thereof, of prospects and draft picks.

Teubert isn't a valuable player. He has a 50% chance of becoming Peckham. Since Peckham has very little real value, Teubert has a 50% chance of having very little value.

The first round pick has about a 20% chance of being a real player.

Odds are that we just traded Penner for nothing. On what planet is that a good deal. The only way you can like this deal is if you have an unrealistic assessment of what mid range prospects and late first round picks are worth.

And stop with this nonsense that the reason the Oilers suck is because they are too small and not tough enough. The Oilers suck because there players aren't good enough. Getting big players that aren't good enough won't make any difference.

Avatar
#171 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 01 2011, 11:38AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

The Penner experiment didn't work out like we hoped, with all these magic beans we've received maybe we can plunder another teams top 6 forward or a 2-3 d'man, might as well make some lemonade with these lemons.

We should try and extend Vandemeer for a couple years, maybe he'd hang around for 3-3.5 over two yrs.

Avatar
#172 Horcsky
March 01 2011, 11:46AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
1
cheers

@TigerUnderGlass

Also, as Stauff suggested on Oilers Lunch yesterday, it might make sense to resign vandermeer for another year. We do need actual NHLers on D, and while I was a huge Vandermeer hater at the start of the year, his play has been much better of late. He's also a +2 on a team that's had 57 more goals scored against them than they have scored. Not too shabby.

Avatar
#173 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 01 2011, 11:51AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

The Penner experiment didn't work out like we hoped, with all these magic beans we've received maybe we can plunder another teams top 6 forward or a 2-3 d'man, might as well make some lemonade with these lemons.

We should try and extend Vandemeer for a couple years, maybe he'd hang around for 3-3.5 over two yrs.

I'd say the Penner experiment worked out exactly like we hoped. 25+ goal guy with size was what I was hoping for.

Avatar
#174 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
March 01 2011, 11:57AM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'd say the Penner experiment worked out exactly like we hoped. 25+ goal guy with size was what I was hoping for.

For about 40% of the time he was here. Please don't make his out to be a value contract.

Avatar
#175 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
March 01 2011, 12:17PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

For about 40% of the time he was here. Please don't make his out to be a value contract.

I'd say he was a 4 million dollar player +/- for three of his four seasons and the one he wasn't was one of the few things I'll actually pin on MacT.

Avatar
#176 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 01 2011, 12:32PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers
OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F wrote:

I'd say the Penner experiment worked out exactly like we hoped. 25+ goal guy with size was what I was hoping for.

The optimal situation would've been having him contribute here for several yrs, maybe even have the chance to score a few goals in May when hockey matters.

Avatar
#177 knee deep in it
March 01 2011, 01:40PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Jonathan Willis

It has been widely reported that Voynov will be headed to the KHL next year if he doesn't make the NHL. I doubt many teams are interested in taking on that risk.

Also, his coach has said that he has progressed as he recovered from his wrist injury. In recent games, he was put on the ice in the most important situations so he may already be at Voynov's and Hickey's level.

Avatar
#178 dawgbone
March 01 2011, 03:22PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

I read a few times in the comments that the Oilers filled a need with this trade.

Exactly what need did the Oilers fill in this trade?

Avatar
#179 Ari Gold
March 01 2011, 06:47PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Cheers
0
cheers

@Captain Obvious

Interesting use of statistics. There have been many high value players drafter in the bottom half of the first round of the draft and after as well. Teubert may never turn into a top 4 defenceman, but he may be a solid stay-at-home defenceman, a piece that is needed in any puzzle.

If you'd like to discuss value, how valuable is a solid player earning more than 4 million dollars (Penner) on a last place team that will not likely have a significant rise in the standings for the next several years?

The Oilers may or may not have won this trade, but it is certain that they haven't been shafted.

Comments are closed for this article.