PENNER TRADED TO LA
Wanye
February 28 2011 12:39PM
According to TSN "The Dustin Penner era in Edmonton is over."
The Oilers have pulled the trigger on a major deal, sending F Dustin Penner to LA for D Colten Teubert, the Kings First Round Pick in 2011 and a Conditional Pick in 2012.
So before we all go out and immediately purchase Colten Teubert jerseys, hats and collectible stamps let's take a summary look at who we are dealing with here. Remember that this is only the start of commentary that will "dig deep" and "find the real truth."
WHAT DID THE OIL GET?
Colten Teubert is a 6 foot 4 inch D man whom the Kings took 13th overall back in the 2008 draft. He is currently playing for Manchester in the AHL. Hmm.
Oooh! And he played for the Pats. And he has a Silver and Gold medal in the World Juniors. That's something ain't it?
REMEMBERING DUSTIN PENNER
Remember the fun we used to all have calling Penner a big blob of donair meat back in 2008 when he was underperforming on his massive contract? Remember how he has shoved it up our collective back side every year since?
We never quite knew what to make of ol' DP, but it is clear that in going to LA and joining Smyth, Stoll and Greene he won't lack for former Oilers Alumni to show him around the beaches of California if he cannot recall his time in Anaheim.
This trade is sure going to leave a massive hole in the goal scoring corps, a rather timid bunch to begin with. But on the other hand the Oilers have hella cap space to do something, if "doing something" is ever in the cards.
Look at the return for Fisher and Versteeg. We got an extra 1st rounder for Penner. Not shabby.
Maybe we ship our new ~20th overall pick plus an asset for a top 10 pick.
I don't understand why is everyone upset we just got a 6-4, gritty,stay at home d man? Work in progress obviously, but let him progress.
We are not saving cap space. We are saving Harold Ballard (aka Rexall Runt) money this season and next season. Its not like the money saved can be carried forward. Oilers will recover that 100 million offered for the new rink one way or the other. Is it to early to say the "P' word?
Pass the koolaid please. I want to line up for playoff tickets in 2015 or 2016, as KLowe indicated the plan will finally give us the playoff run we want. 10 years out of the playoffs??
Dang Ricky! How can you not be more happy on the day that the Oilers FINALLY got Colten Teubert?? Won't ANYTHING make you happy?
So you're not a Teubert fan, eh? I gather you've seen him play a lot.
I mean, I'm assuming that you either live in Regina (quite possible) or Manchester (nearly impossible) to say something like that. Otherwise, it would be ridiculous to say.
Lighten up, everyone.
The Edmonton Oilers are still in a position where they need one of every kind if player. They need a faceoff-winning, two-way centre. They need banging forwards. They need puck-moving defencemen. And they need snarly, mean rearguards like Teubert.
And I just love how some are now rip the draft this year for its supposed "lack of talent" now that the Oilers have acquired LA's mid-to-late round pick.
I'm quite sure if it was Penner for Teubert, another minor leaguer and a conditional second/third rounder, you'd all be ripping the Oilers for not getting LA's first-rounder instead of that other minor leaguer because "it's always good to acquire first-round picks for MBS to work his magic."
Ugh. There's just no pleasing some of you.
Arnott just got dealt to the Caps. Guess they need leadership too
What a garbage trade. Further evidence that the team doesn't need an overhaul management does. Wow I feel sorry for the season ticket holders of this garbage. How do you say going nowhere fast.
@MrCondor
The problem is that the Kings have a number of more talented D-men in their system like Voynov and Forbort ... while Tom Hickey might also be better than Teubert.
I think a lot of people would be more at ease with this trade if we acquired one of these guys instead of Teubert.
Wanye, what is the over/under how long it takes Hemsky to request a trade to LA? If I were him, I would tell my agent to look outside then scream at him why Smyth, Stoll, Greene and now Penner are chasing that California tail on the beach instead of me.............
"it will be a few years before we really know who won that trade".
Already heard that.
Not an awful deal, as the kids all get more icetime, and we'll see what the Oilers can flip that 15-20 pick into at the draft.
This couldn't be a disaster IF the mis-management team spends Penner's salary on a few players that are sorely needed: 3rd line faceoff center, second pair defensive defenseman, second goalie.
If this is what Tambellini got for Penner can he really be trusted to be in charge of the rebuild? With no tangible return for Penner this sets the Oilers even further back. I have ZERO faith in Tambellini moving forward!
Is he good enough to come to Edmonton or did we just trade a top 6 forward for help on the farm?
@Horcsky
I'm going to assume you're just joking but think about this. Theo Pekham is the Oilers leading hitter, Gilbert Brule has missed 23 games and is second. Finally, Gilbert is big!? Now I know you're joking...
Tsn has him listed at 6'3 176, although the Oilers website has him listed at 196. Who's right?
It certainly does seem as though all roads lead to LA these days if you are an Oiler. I wonder if Hemsky does get dealt too. My gut says No.
Maybe the Oil trade him to LA for Penner?
Penner is finally gone...who do I rip on now? Good trade, for both sides. It is hard to say exactly who won as draft picks are just that.
The Oilers would tell us he is 275 pounds and a Norris Candidate if they thought they could get away with it. I'd trust TSN
According to your profile Sir, Renney is your goat. So I'd suggest starting by saying "That jerk Renney never could get DP to stay happy. I blame him."
I did just that and found this page.
I don't know what to think. Skilled 240 pound players are tough to find. All the talking heads appear to think that the Oil got the better of the deal but I know very little about the King's prospect so who knows.
Presumably the Magnificent Bastard has some idea of what Teubert brings to the table and if he thinks this is worthwhile then I'll cede to his superior knowledge about prospects.
I think this really means that next year is planned to be a wash as well. Think Hemmer is excited about staying or is he just counting down the days until next February for his own golden ticket out of town?
It's not an "extra first rounder", it's a conditional pick in 2012. According to TSN it "could be a second-round pick if the Kings make the playoffs", which is likely but by no means guaranteed. I don't people are upset we got a big defenseman with potential, I think they're upset we traded away one of the few consistent (okay, semi-consistent) goal scoring threats we have.
@Doug Sorensen
nhl.com says 196, who knows.
I think the expectation is that Teubert will eventually play for the Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League and not our AHL affiliate as of the 2011-2012 hockey season which usually runs from October to early April in Edmonton.
NHL teams generally don't trade top-line players for guys who will only assist the farm team, as revenues from the AHL affiliate are insignificant in comparison to NHL revenues, and it's my humble guess that it isn't the Oilers' mandate to turn Oklahoma City into a hockey hotbed.
That's just my guess, anyway.
So...
Hall-Horc-Hemsky
Paajarvi-Gagner-Eberle
Reddox-Cogs-Omark
Or, if you are a Head Coach in Edmonton, then just put Reddox in Penner's old spot and keep Gagner playing on the 3rd line even though he's leading all your centres in scoring.
If the Oilers had gotten Forbort, Voynov, or Hickey this would have been a good deal. This one looks way, way too much like the Ryan Smyth trade to get my stamp of approval. To use LT language, trading a face card for a bunch of potential 6s and 7s is f***n' stupid.
I don't necessarily think that the Oilers have lost all hope with Penner leaving town. I suppose one could spin it as the baton being formally tossed to the New Boys.
Hemsky is probably more pumped to play with them than Penner in the long run. It will be very interesting to see if he re-signs up heyah.
The real winner of this trade...Magnus Paajarvi. His ice time will now increase dramatically and we will see how much more he can handle.
On another note, how can Tambellini not get rid of at least one of Vandermeer, Strudwick or Smid (not that I wanted to see Smid leave) but there was huge interest in him by all accounts.
Are there no teams out there that need depth defencemen and in return we take a prospect or a late pick? If you are a rebuilding team then you should be doing your best to dump some of these non-returning players at the deadline even for late picks or suspect prospects.
In other news: Arnott for Steckel! Now that's a hockey trade. 1 roster player for another of that magnitude is pretty crazy.
Nah, it would likely be their 2012 1st rounder, 2013 3rd rounder, and their worst blue line prospect playing in the ECHL. Can't get too creative with Tambi......
I love how all we have heard is how we need help on defense, how we can't win without addressing our d-core... To the point where people are salivating over Larson, a kid who isn't above #4 on any draft positioning last time I checked.
We trade for a big snarly dman who is not afraid to mix it up (Something we don't have very much of at all in the farm), get a 1st rounder AND a shot at a second rounder. When all the "experts" are telling us to expect nothing more than Fisher like return, if that for a player who was never resigning here. Yet everybody is demanding more?
I think this was a decent return for 1.3 years worth of Penner. Time will tell, but it was the best return on the day as it stands now.
I'm listening to CBC on Sat. Why is Burke having a presser? Let's listen to a guy who traded one guy for a 7th round pick. What a joke.
Doesn't anyone think that perhaps the "magnificant bastard" made the call and gave Tambo the green light to get get Teubert?
Also, I'll go with the glass half full theory. Eberle was 22nd overall - similar to where we will pick with LA's # 1.
" IN STU WE TRUST "
So torn.
On the one hand, Tambellini just traded away my goat. By Nation standards, that means I win three internets and I get to buy a donair at any place in town I want.
On the other hand . . . . Teubert.
I keep saying it, hoping that it will somehow start to sound better, but it's just not coming. Teubert. Teubert. Teubert? Really?
Or you could use this one:
Magic Beans:)
In fact, to call back to the 94 trade young Teubert looks like Plante so now all we need are for the 1st and likely 3rd picks to turn out like Nilsson and O'Marra.
Eberle could have gone much higher in the draft, but wanted to be an Oiler so bad that he controlled the selection order with his mind from the stands.
AND WE THANK HIM FOR THIS
I've been waiting for you to pop on here with an opinion Commander. I was hoping you had a golden anecdote about watching him play once and that you would declare this thing a win.
SIGH
But seriously how often does an O'Marra become available....
I think this is a pretty decent trade. Yes, the Oilers do lose a one time 30 goal scorer and size. But Teubert is big and plays big, historically defencemen take a while to develop as well. The knock on Teubert is that he is too aggressive, the exact opposite of Penner. Plus he is a D, which the Oil desperately need.
Maybe Stu is extremely high on Landeskog?
Maybe Tambellini is eyeing up using this pick and 31st pick to move up a bunch of spots?
The Oilers got a little bit smaller, but this guy plays way bigger than Penner.
@Wanye
Just saw on TSN that the Kings "gave up a TON to acquire Dustin Penner". Maybe Teubert is actually 6'3", 2000 and can play both defensive positions at once and also in net.
I'll do my best Wanye. But I won't hold my breath.
@Wanye
It's ok. Teubert's 20 and is a plus player in the AHL during his rookie year. And being a plus player was his trademark in Regina. This guy isnt bad, he just isnt the "best" prospect available.
Lots of positives here. They just have to be looked at in the right light.
I saw that headline. I thought that Teubert had the nickname "a ton" in LA or something.
Alot omire questions than answers right now. For instance, if we trade our leading scorer, are we not sellers? And if we are sellers, could we have traded more, or was management too "patient"? Also, given our history of non-draft day trades, who are we drafting? Trading our biggest winger, does mean they have Landeskoog in mind? Are we keeping Gagner and Cogliano moving forward? Could we have received Bernier as well? While I Personally wouldn't have traded Penner, I'm certainly not going to blast Tambellini for making a move when I was calling on him to show a pulse. The return form Penner is certainly favorable, given what Fisher got, however does this make the Oilers better? I don't really know, in fact given Managements inability to address certain deficiencies (i.e. face-offs, grit, defense), I would argue that maybe their plan isn't to get better. Maybe their plan is to draft first overall every year? I was of the belief that the Oilers had a surplus of small, skilled forwards, hence I was in favor of the Simmonds deal (if that in fact was offered). Even the Ellis trade would have seemed better (again if available). Having said all this, I'm an Oilers fan and I haven't more than a handful of games in the last decade, and I will drink kool-aid. Oilers, Stanley Cup champs in 2011-12!
Mid-late 1st in a weak draft - CHECK
High profile prospect who's stock has done nothing but drop since draft day - CHECK
Filler pick - CHECK
Looks a lot like the Smyth trade only we get the opportunity to draft our own career minor leaguer in the 3rd round over a year from now.
Jones is still an Oiler. If he walks for nothing then not trading him was a mistake. Something minor (4th line winger), but I'm interested in how that plays out.
I sure KLowe is also pulling his strings. NOT GOOD AT ALL.
If you look at the needs list of every NHL team, I'd bet 80% of them had a top 6 forward with size and scoring on it. I'm sure ST had more than one phone call about Penner.
Does LA have better defensive prospects - no doubt. But you have to look a what market value is for players. I'm sure Tambi took the best offer on the table. It constantly shocks me that people think the world was at Tambi's finger tips
Given the ownership pressure LA and other teams are facing to make a deep playoff run, I bet the return on Penner is higher today than it would have been at the draft or the deadline next year.
I would have loved Schenn as much as the next guy. The thing is people can dream all they want about what they'd like, but there is a finite market for players. A GM has to get the best return of what is available.
13th overall draft pick, a first rounder and a conditional 2nd rounder for a guy who isn't on pace for 30 goals is pretty damn good.
I feel people need to dampen expectations
Versteeg and Fisher were both a 1st rounder plus a 2nd/3rd.
We got a 13th overall draft pick, a first rounder and a conditional second rounder. I consider Teubert the extra first rounder.
Sorry. Wasn't clear.
HOLY CRAP!!!!! You would think management just crucified Penner.......C'mon, there is no doubt that Penner CAN be a difference maker when on the ice, BUT he does have some downside when it comes to his play. I like him but I hardly think this is the end of the world. On the up side we have more ro0m up front (Penner counts as two Coglianos right?), we have more salary cap space for the off season, and allooooooot can happen during the off season and at the draft. Calm down cause we just went from a 30th place team to a lock for 30th place. NUMBER 1 PICK, NUMBER 1 PICK, NUMBER 1 PICK!!!!
*takes tall glass of kool aid, pukes in mouth and burns another traded Oilers Jersey*
nhl.com has him listed at 206.
The "ton" is in reference to the amount of donair meat Penner is bringing with him to L.A.
...can Oilers finish worse than 30th?
is there some way we can get the NewJersey forfeited / wasted 1st round pick?